Shintaro Higashi discusses Leg grabs and Ne Waza rules

This conversation discusses IJF rules concerning leg grabs and Ne Waza, with Shintaro Higashi.
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[@berniekatzroy]

One of the best crossover arcs in Chadi's anime.

[@Chadi]

Haha that means a lot to me thank you

[@berniekatzroy]

@@Chadi No probs, I'm waiting for the arc where you use your strongest techniques.

[@rangelo8908]

The greatest crossover ever was way too short

[@Chadi]

Be patient there's more to come from me and Shintaro

[@rangelo8908]

@@Chadi in Chadi we trust

[@0u73rh34v3n]

Oh man I’ve been waiting for a collab between you guys. Looking forward to when this goes live

[@Chadi]

Hope it's good

[@codekama7396]

Thanks for all the work and dedication!

[@Chadi]

Thank you very much 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@M-a-k-o]

3:10: "Maybe add back the straight ankle lock". Yes, sir!

[@Chadi]

🤙🏻

[@M-a-k-o]

@@Chadi Judo is such a complete art. Add a couple of these forbidden techniques and it will be bliss.

[@SeanWinters]

I know I'm 2 years late on this, but that's actually the rule that I place for my students when I teach. During rondori they can attempt one or two leg grabs, after that they're done

[@HardBaller45]

It amazes me that Judo guys whip each other around on their head, but a knee bar is too dangerous. I love the Golden Score idea

[@Chadi]

Going through knee surgery and limping for life is never a good thing

[@sen_sheepdogpup1842]

I'm so excited!!!!

[@Chadi]

Stay tuned

[@yamiodi7709]

Ouuu man this will be amazing

[@Chadi]

Hope you enjoyed it

[@jeanackle]

Two of my very favorite (maybe my top two) Judo KZbinrs talking together! Awesome! And the topic itself, awesome too! Please do get leg grabs back, in the way that was talked here. Sounds great!

[@Chadi]

Thank you very much 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@jeanackle]

@@Chadi Thank you!

[@ryanwilliams9984]

Great conversation. Shintaro is the best!

[@Chadi]

Agreed he's great

[@rashidmartialarts9513]

Awesome collaboration ! Keep it up

[@Chadi]

Thank you Rashid for your constant support

[@kotarotao]

Awesome job guys

[@Chadi]

Thank you 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@saihinadir]

Awesome collab!

[@Chadi]

Thank you 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@kmeyers85]

'Kneebars are safe' That got me laughing!

[@perrinmuma]

I can't believe this crossover happened 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿 much love Chadi

[@Chadi]

Merci frérot ❤🙏🏻

[@ptolem139]

Can’t wait

[@Chadi]

Stay tuned

[@moos2009]

I used to train at Renzo's in NYC when Shintaro's co-gym owner Gary St Leger was there! Learned so much from him and highly recommend you have him on the pod!!

[@Chadi]

I'll try to reach out

[@endurojimmy3109]

When the rule came in I was pretty devastated, looking back I think something had to be done, however I think a blanket ban went too far and many legit techniques were lost. In competitions drop Kata guruma was so effective that it was almost who could avoid it best won. I used ankle picks in combination with O uchi and also Te guruma as a counter (especially to Uchi mata). Maybe they could come back as a counter, or used in combination, but banned as a direct attack.

[@Chadi]

They are pretty awesome, hope they'd be back

[@johnathannelsonento2040]

"any given time they can go far a massive kata garuma" This speaks to me on so many levels.

[@DominickODierno]

penalizing the "lazy log" defensive position in newaza is an excellent idea, its essentially a stall and refusal to engage.

[@Chadi]

Exactly

[@gladiumcaeli]

The golden point rule with leg grab makes a lot of sense.

[@Chadi]

Indeed

[@CHAP_SEC]

More collaborations!!

[@TheBandrade]

Best... crossover... EVER!!!

[@Chadi]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[@chegufarid8699]

Personally I would allow leg grabs techniques that are not popularly associated with wrestling like the morote gari and kuchiki taoshi..leg grab techniques that are judo techniques such as te guruma, sugui nage, kata guruma (old school with leg grab) should be allowed..and leg grabs after a kake should also be allowed..for example, after you execute a kouchi makikomi, you immediately grab the leg for the takedown..that will make judo more interesting

[@xerke]

I really wish leg grabs came back, it would make the sport much better, esp. with current rules

[@joatanpereira4272]

Yes, and some ne waza leg techniques

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@henrikg1388]

You are already sounding much better. It must've been the whisky. 😉

[@Chadi]

Hahaha thanks for the advice

[@doritodip8410]

Shooting in golden score is perfect been thinking this for awhile

[@mementomori8991]

Chadi P4P GOAT of grappling contents.

[@Chadi]

Hahaha thank you very much

[@counterkidnapping1737]

Need one more person Travis Stevens

[@Chadi]

Would be great but Travis is a very busy man though

[@gladiumcaeli]

Steve Scott from welcomematstevescott is also a good one to have he has a more wrestling orientation view on what judo can be. And his way makes a ton of sense at least for me

[@vittocrazi]

i got a travis stevens ad :O

[@israelcanada8969]

I love both of you ♥️

[@Chadi]

We love you too 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@henrikg1388]

Always allow attacks with one arm beneath the belt. That way we win back kata-guruma, sukui-nage etc. As for two armed attacks, allowing for one in each match sounds OK with me. But even if you bring them back fully, I think the art will find counters.

[@Chadi]

Exactly right

[@counterkidnapping1737]

Finally, Chadi revealed his face

[@Chadi]

That's not the first time i was featured on the jits guy podcast on KZbin

[@alLEDP]

Didnt welcomematstevescott make a video earlier this week explaining his "freestyle judo" organizaion doing this kind of stuff? Especially the comit to kumi kata first and the go to the leg??

[@Chadi]

Haven't seen it! Can you send me a link??

[@alLEDP]

@@Chadi kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5a9o3pundVmgpI

[@alLEDP]

@@Chadi But I suggest that you watch the whole series. This bloke wants to start a new Judo Competion Rule Set and is fairly succesfuly. To my knwoledge he produced a few US Nationals (and Olympians but idk for sure) and that freestyle judo thing is endorsed by Ronda Rouseys mom a american olympian.

[@Chadi]

@@alLEDP I'll check it out

[@chrischiang1512]

IJF president and all the people who is creating the rules should watch this! Make this viral

[@Chadi]

How can we make this viral???

[@chrischiang1512]

@@Chadi if everyone in your channel can share this and share and share somehow it will reach IJF. Or send directly to IJF president 😉

[@Chadi]

@@chrischiang1512 please do share i would really appreciate it

[@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970]

Very nice points made there. I like Neil Adam's proposal along with Chadi about the hand lift up, and Shintaros point about lifting somebody from turtle . About leg locks I think they are dangerous , a way to bring them back is to promote self defence judo more in separate hours than the Olympic or competitive judo. They are giving newaza a bit more time now so let's hope for the best!

[@Chadi]

If there's no leg locks i wouldn't have an issue

[@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970]

@@Chadi indeed man that's my point aswell leg locks and neck cranks are for self defence or war. I don't like the fact that most judoca turtle up (I actually catch my self doing that aswell some times) , I want to see more quality newaza though than what's already existant in judo competition .

[@Chadi]

@@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970 agreed

[@yaboi-km2qn]

I could live without neck cranks but leg locks aren't dangerous if you know how to defend them.

[@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970]

@@yaboi-km2qn leg locks are very dangerous cause you don't feel much pain until something snaps and you already can take a lot of leg pressure from body weight and throws

[@joatanpereira4272]

First time I SEE Chadi speak

[@Chadi]

How did you find it?

[@joatanpereira4272]

@@Chadi you're really handsome lmao

[@joatanpereira4272]

I love the old footage you put on the videos, but it's also good to see your face. It feels more like you're talking to us

[@Chadi]

@@joatanpereira4272 lol thank you

[@gabrielm.s.alverca5789]

Particularly i think that are some great ways to do a "all-allowed-judo-tournament". Leg grabs: You can do shots, but, you have to alternate with other techniques. Something like i just did a try on the legs, my next technique have to be another one that doesn't involve leg grabs. Than, after the last one, i can grab the leg again and on it goes. Alternating other techniques with leg attempts. Ne waza: This one i don't think that will ever be implanted, since it involves change the format of the competition to much. Anyway, i'm thinking in something like the following -> Competitions with, necessarily two rounds. Round one, only stand up techniques with the leg grab rule from above activated, no newaza allowed. Round two, the fight begins stand up and the only way you are allowed to bring the other guy down is by technique (no guard pulling allowed), but only newaza scores and end (submissions etc) the fight. Any newaza techniques is allowed, the only exception is neck and spinal locks. (I don't think ankle, knee's and leg lokcs in general are really that dangerous. It just looks like it is because the majority of the grapplers don't train them very much. Here in Brazil, in Luta Livre Esportiva, leg locks in general are "their thing" and yet it's extremely rare to see someone with a injured ankle or knee. Why? They just train that stuff all the time. The winner would be the one who wins two rounds. If it comes to a draw the fight goes to a third round with "no rules" (you can score by a proper throw or takedown, leg grab rules activated, you can do newaza without time limit as long as you take the opponent down by proper technique). Another rule that maybe necessary in this format is this: You can force a man to fight stand up, but you can't force a man to fight on the ground. If in the third round the other guy bring you down, but don't engage newaza you are obliged to standup again. Sitting/lying on the ground and pull guard or wait for the opponent is fault. (Like Bruce Lee used to say: "If i know you're a ground fighter and you sit on the ground waiting for me i would just walk around you and let you there waiting. I wouldn't have a reason to engage." I would pay easily to see a tournament like this.

[@Chadi]

Great input

[@ketfo]

Hey Chadi! Enjoyed the discussion. Just curious, where did you hear Neill Adams talking about leg grabs? I thought he was opposed to bringing them back... Par hazard, est ce que tu francais?

[@Chadi]

J'habite en France oui mais je suis d'origine libanaise/arménienne

[@Chadi]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYGuqIOuhdl0d5I

[@ketfo]

@@Chadi Ah d'accord. Bon, enchante de te faire ta connaissance, et bonne continuation!

[@egyptianspaceodin1373]

I don't mind leg attacks being banned in comp. however i think recreational clubs should still train them because its apart of the curriculum. judoka should know how to attack the legs, and competition it just one of the facets of judo so i dont mind that its not allowed in comp. however, there are times where guys will come to our dojo and just only shoot for legs in randori because its all they know how to do, so i also agree with Travis' comment about "leg grabs are too easy, its instant gratification" and constantly diving for the legs and not learning anything else... whats the point of learning judo at that point? sometimes ill do randori with an ex-wrestler at our dojo, and i really like the head in low single. i dont know what you'd call that in judo. we also did an interesting te guruma variation. kuchiki taoshi is fun too.

[@Chadi]

The point is to preserve them in any way possible

[@jeanackle]

But a problem about leg grabs not being allowed in competition is there will be little focus/practice in non competition too. I even remember a video from Chadi stating older people coming to a Judo dojo might not get much attention from the teacher just because they won't go into competition. My point here is: people who won't go into competition may not get enough attention, and likewise techniques which won't go into competition will also not get enough attention.

[@egyptianspaceodin1373]

@@jeanackle that comes down to dojo culture though. the instructors can still make their own rules. and granted, a lot follow IJF conventions and rules. but they can literally use their brains to change that.

[@jeanackle]

@@egyptianspaceodin1373 Agreed, but I still do believe that the more of the curriculum is included in IJF competitions, the more it will make it into particular dojos' culture.

[@MrKahunadog]

No on leg grabs in competition, fine to do them in modified dojo rules. If you want to leg grab do wrestling. Leg grabs with cloth make it easier to score. They weaken most peoples throws cause they take the easier route to score vs refine a throw.

[@LongShotMartialArts]

I think an alternative may be that if you grab the legs you can go both hands at the same time. BUT you can not put your knees on the mat, both knees off the mat until you are landing your throw. This way you would have to get much closer to access the legs and would have to be within grip range. In order to deal with the gripping this would require you to stand more upright prior to your leg attack.

[@Chadi]

Perhaps but not going on the knees will bring a lot of rounded backs though

[@LongShotMartialArts]

@@Chadi That's exactly the point. My assumption is that not being able to touch knees to the mat will require a more well thought out approach instead of people diving in from so far away like Shintaro pointed out. I'm sure there would need to be a lot of experimenting to see if it might work with the existing rules. I thought it might be worth being involved in the leg grab conversation. By the way I'm a big fan of your content I always learn a ton from every video.

[@Chadi]

@@LongShotMartialArts Thank you very much

[@oneguy7202]

That's rule about once there isn in furo karate but you can attack legs twice in each round.

[@Chadi]

Good to know

[@Projectdarksource]

Lets do this IJF!

[@Chadi]

Fingers crossed

[@mh.1.]

@@Chadi is it likely? I really wanna practise traditional judo and not competition stuff at this point

[@goddamntarzan883]

That would be an amazing rule.

[@Chadi]

Indeed

[@wojciechburakowski4164]

Standing with both feet in newaza should not stop match. Give points for getting behind back in newaza.

[@angelsjoker8190]

Allow leg grabs but penalize them somehow if they miss. I.e. if someone goes for Morote Gari and Uke sprawls successfully so the opponent ends up on the ground (i.e. on their knees - Yuko, on hands and knees - Wazari, flat on belly - Ippon) then you would have a somewhat realistic simulation of risk and reward.

[@user-gt9vl3ns2b]

Hey just curious how you guys keep training during the pandemic?

[@Chadi]

We don't:(

[@antonysantiago5661]

It would be interesting to have a no gi Judo tournament, but have it done in a way where it still promotes throwing. That way a Greco guy can't just come in and dominate.

[@Chadi]

It's all possible

[@ansborromeo7470]

is sukui nage also illegal? even by counter?

[@xjoshsaucex]

I think having 2 or 3 attempts to leg grab would be the way, and then sudden death round, all grappling allowed

[@kristianOLS]

I really like Shintaro's suggestion, realistically we have this already but you cant score with it. So its not so far a stretch.. I do think that having a grip would give the IJF the judo want. They should at least bring back the Te Guruma. The Ryan Vargas rule needs to go, not being able to touch legs when youre in newaza and your opponent is standing leads to awful shidos getting called when uke pulls you onto their legs after tori drop seois.

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@user-de1dj9hd7e]

3:45 is pretty good . so so limited now

[@yaboi-km2qn]

How about only one hand on the legs as long as you have one grip on the jacket? Side note: there's loads of different bjj/mma/kickboxing rule sets, I don't know why it should be any different for judo. Well it always come down to who can afford to put on the competitions but I'm an optimist.

[@arrowverse644]

you guys have to discuss the newest one and non sense rule: no shaking hands after match

[@Chadi]

I don't think this needs to be discussed we all know how absurd it is😂

[@sasasasaasable]

What if they made leg grabs not be a full ippon and promote ne waza transition from leg grab throws?

[@Chadi]

Possible

[@Redneck_Wizard]

Double and single legs should stay bamked because those are risky in a self defense or mma context anyway but other leg takedowns should be legal, especially the ones where you have one hand on the top of the body and one hand on the back of their knee, I forget what it's called but Fedor Emelianenko would do it sometimes.

[@tamaineleak3994]

This was a highly detailed topic on IJF rules of Judo, how do you feel about the International Freestyle Judo Association (IFJA) rules for the particular brand of Judo? www.freestylejudo.org/scoring/

[@Chadi]

I love their initiative

[@JoseAlvarado-fj8uo]

I would like to see chadi spar with shintaro, best anime fight

[@Chadi]

Hahaha he would end me in seconds

[@JoseAlvarado-fj8uo]

@@Chadi just curious, what arts did you practice and to what degree? You seem to know of many arts at least in theory, is your interest merely academic or also practical?

[@ReisterJP]

Maybe a maximum 1/2 point for leg grab techniques.

[@Chadi]

If it comes from control and and with an upward trajectory why not a full ippon??

[@ReisterJP]

@@Chadi I have always felt the rule changes benefit the Japanese philosophy. when the Eastern European and Korean approach to judo using both grip fighting and leg grabs and scoring small point and stalling to greater effect vs Japanese fighter the rules changed. Yoshida's loss to Jeon in 1993 was the beginning of the end.

[@Chadi]

@@ReisterJP agreed

[@allegedly6]

Where is the entire conversation?

[@Chadi]

Be patient

[@zarkomodric6509]

I would also like to have the leg grabs back. But on the photo in the title of the film Mr. Higashi is wearing a judogi that is illegal.

[@Chadi]

You mean he's wearing a bjj gi??

[@zarkomodric6509]

@@Chadi No it is simpy too tight. Perhaps two sizes too small.

[@Chadi]

@@zarkomodric6509 yes it's small but in bjj that's about right

[@forcewayne9884]

Chadi there is many ufc fighters recently & future competing who are Judokas! and you aren't covering them lol

[@Chadi]

There's only so many hours in the day

[@Ry-bo9hi]

Covid still eaglebearsmeshed any judo schools in my country but atleast judoinfo has a list on what to learn

[@Chadi]

France too

[@Ry-bo9hi]

damn, any tips on like casual home training tho pls

[@Chadi]

There's many on KZbin, also go to judofanatics website there's a feee course by Travis Stevens on home judo workouts

[@Ry-bo9hi]

@@Chadi thannk you

[@rh45sth62]

Having used a morote-gari in self defense ( automatically employed if after getting punched in the face to get my assailant on his back immediately) , I think it definitely needs to be preserved in the Judo curriculum. In competition, i don't mind its absence; I agree that if it is used again, we need to use it skillfully and not in the 'wrestling manner'. The aesthetics of Judo in sport are really quite good now, although I'd like to see Kata Garuma, which has the leg grab element, reinstated. Kata Garuma is quite a stunning throw, and was of course developed by Kano himself. What of Kani Basami ? Banned because of that injury to Yamashita ?

[@Chadi]

I agree, but from kumi kata they'll look pretty aesthetic with an upward trajectory, yes kani basami still banned because of that

[@rh45sth62]

@@Chadi Yes, with an upward trajectory, that would require an element of skill, as opposed the 'rugby tackle'. I've always liked kibisu gaeshi; very elegant if done properly. Do you have the flu Chadi ?

[@Chadi]

@@rh45sth62 i tested positive

[@rh45sth62]

@@Chadi That's no good Chadi; make sure you get sufficient rest and get well soon !!

[@user-de1dj9hd7e]

Chadi HEY HEY!!! youre the man you know a video you should do, you should do one about the inconsistencies and horribleness of refereeing in the sport, and you should do that video with me. THere are so so so so many videos out there almost any match that goes 5 or 4 minutes there is so much to go over. DO it with me Im legit

[@Chadi]

Send links of refereeing and I'll watch

[@user-de1dj9hd7e]

@@Chadi ok ok hmmm i have to figure out how I am going to get a video and add commentary and send it to you. Does that mean after you watch you re going to give me a try? Also where or how o you want me to send it

[@user-de1dj9hd7e]

@@Chadi I dont know how to get in touch with you but here is just one for now. THis was really bad kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYuQpX2OjbRrhs0&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=Judo

[@user-de1dj9hd7e]

@@Chadi let me know if you want me to find a couple more but just this one would be long enough for a critique to show you whats wrong with the sport...

[@user-de1dj9hd7e]

@@Chadi kzbin.info/www/bejne/d320hJdjp7p0e9U&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=Judo This one isnt too bad but it still kind of is

[@ericyen1]

One shot rule . . . hmm interesting All the rules other than for safety are weird

[@Chadi]

Agreed

[@DominickODierno]

turtle is a bad position if you just sit there. If you use it as a transitional position its great. A lot of escapes from bad positions in mma involve getting off your back i to turtle, and then standing up.

[@Chadi]

In judo they wait for the ref to reset the match

[@MrKahunadog]

If leg grabs are so good, why has the USA Judo lagged in international Judo competition when we have the largest wrestling program and pool from 3to22yo?

[@Chadi]

They have their place, no one said they're the best

[@MrKahunadog]

@@Chadi , what I mean is, leg grabs work. But if leg grabs are so effective wouldn't the country with the largest pool of wrestlers that grow up with leg grabs be on the international podium for Judo? Now it could be argued the USA does not state sponsor Judo, which limits it's pool. Related is big money from professional and college sports draw the more athletic talent. Leg grabs in competition will make Judo a more complete art to have an easier time transferring to other sports such as Sambo, mma, bjj. But the lack of them is what seperates the arts as well. An artificial way to force big throws. This forces athletes to develop throws over easier scoring techniques such as morote gari or leg grab ouchi gari. What I'm saying is there are pros and cons to leg grabbing. To keep the art, and make it more complete train leg attacks. But for competition having leg grabs has pros and cons. Thank you for your videos and research.

[@Chadi]

@@MrKahunadog agreed, thank you very much

[@tekal85]

Hi Chadi love your videos. Are you by any means Jewish ?

[@Chadi]

Catholic with 5% Ashkenazi

[@kevionrogers2605]

@@Chadi There's a Lebanese Maronite Catholic Church, Saint Elias, and established community in Birmingham, Alabama if you ever decide to come in the area.

[@aasserelzoghby6781]

I think daki age should be back It's ippon where you lift someone above your head's level in one go It should be back I don't know why it was cancelled in the 1st place

[@Chadi]

I agree it's reflective to real fights, if ypur opponent has the ability to slam you that's game over

[@aasserelzoghby6781]

@@Chadi yes that is so effective for self defense

[@user-de1dj9hd7e]

that is stupid for once in a match

[@user-de1dj9hd7e]

that would be like like saying you can only do teh gerbi choke once in the match

[@DanTheWolfman]

Chadi when you going to interview me?

[@Chadi]

Monday or tuesday sounds good, my instagram is chadi.ae

[@DanTheWolfman]

@@Chadi I've literally never gone on InstaHo......... Can you email or FB me? [e-mail] thanks

[@Chadi]

Sure

[@BURGAWMMA]

It's absolutely ridiculous they banned leg grab techniques from Judo, why not just create a freestyle and Greco-Roman division? Don't take away only add! Its a shame judo has chosen to minimize grappling to maximize the throw Just look at the success BJJ has had with judo newaza its starting to look like modern judo is significantly more dangerous than kodokan Judo and far more dangerous than bjj

[@MrKahunadog]

No on leg grabs. It slows the game down. Big throws over wrestling the clinch of grinding out.

[@willyhwang1059]

just get rid of sports judo. it's not interesting to watch for the casual audience and ugly to watch for those to know the sport