Shocking Poker Ultimatum : GGPoker Does The Unthinkable

The future of poker is about to change as GGPoker has recently given an ultimatum to poker stables to leave their platform essentially banning poker stables and staking after PokerOK CEO Ivan Bryksin declared war on poker stables. In this video we look at the bold move of GGPoker against poker stables and the aftermath of the incident.
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[@user-tn5nt7ov7r]

Only stable owners/players find this as bad news.

[@pahakuutti]

Good. Generally recreational players are too lazy to report soft play because the refunded money just isn't worth the hassle. Stables are *not* crucial to provide liquidity, instead independent reg's are.

[@danielcassidy2291]

tell my why ive been watching your videos for what feels like years n this is the first time ive seen your face.

[@whodouthinkuare]

im not racist but i thought the face i would see would be some type of Scandy lol. Great content none the less

[@DaveFu]

@@whodouthinkuare I don't know how good PB's game is, but south Asians are known for being overrepresented in the "recreational player" community. Keeping the world at large ignorant of his ethnicity might allow him to show up and be a ringer. lol

[@PokerBounty]

maybe coz i just started making them coz was getting bored with the whole mic voice over thing lol

[@whodouthinkuare]

@@DaveFu its actually a perfect voice we all become used off. Could you imagine hearing somebody else doing this channel videos going forward? not a hope.

[@D1G1TALFOX]

@@whodouthinkuare 😎

[@TheWildbill247]

I agree with Ivan they are a complete determent to poker.

[@LilGambling]

If multiple players are sharing a bankroll at the same table… they are cheating. Examples include -They split the winnings of the lone wolf players. And refund their teammates after each session. -soft play -card sharing, squeeze traps -ghosting -and more All of these are examples of cheating.

[@Nobody33566]

There are a lot of pool of players who share their bankroll in super high stakes duo the variance and small edge in these stakes. This is normal, but this doesn't mean they cheat. Of course there are people cheating doing things like ghosting in stables but it doens't mean all players who participate in pools are cheaters. Its the nature the game to have a high variance and there's not a problem in share same bankroll playing legit. they are different people and you can't put them in the same place

[@TomRauhe]

Exactly this.

[@Pokarface7]

There's a cash game video where Phil Helmuth stands up and goes to Mike Matusow to get "his share" of their mutual funds. I didn't mind they had an agreement to share funds, I mind that he grabbed money from Mike's stack while he was still playing, the Phil left the game. I found that super rude and can't believe they let it happen. I think it was a Live at The Bike video

[@PaladinLostHour]

@@Nobody33566 sharing a bankroll in a cash game is absolutely f****** cheating. The reason it's cheating is because both players know that there's no value in going heads up. In fact it's negative value because it increases the rake. This affects everything from pot odds to protecting blinds. If you know the player in the big blind is partnered with The only other player in the hand, you know The big blind is going to automatically fold.

[@derreck1825]

Good, this is a good thing. For independent grinders

[@ArkBenji]

Proper order too. About time this bs was stopped.

[@edide1627]

It's as simple as " Poker is not a team sport/event".

[@antonycostantine2457]

Stables is not poker,,if u don't have the money play low stakes and build

[@GaryVapes]

Who’s this guy on my favourite poker channel! lol just kidding, nice to put a face to the voice. Keep up the great content mate 🙏🏻

[@PokerBounty]

Thanks! Will do!

[@bestestname6757]

Well this is easy. If your in a stable, you love stables. If your not, you hate them. Ask any person who's in one, to drop out and play, see how their win rate drops dramatically.

[@JT-wu2if]

get rid of them. They ghost at final tables. Patrick leonard ghosts all his players that make it to a big Final table, its scummy

[@user-md9ty9mz5b]

Most of them do.. Fuck stables

[@DaveFu]

Bum hunting sounds so much better when you call it "optimal game selection" lol

[@PaladinLostHour]

It's really just "Smurfing, but in Poker". Consider the host company has to generate all these no-action heads up tables that ganerate no revenue, and no self-respecting poker room would ever allow that BS live, I can see why the online companies want rid of it.

[@Joe_C.]

😂😂😂

[@omerperetz8426]

If the rake was lower there would be less need for bumhunting

[@Joe_C.]

@@omerperetz8426, what's the rake on GG?

[@PaladinLostHour]

@@omerperetz8426 Unless there's something I don't know, it's 5 percent, capped at 2xBB. That doesn't seem excessive enough to justify shit like bumhunting.

[@cfctidcfc]

Love your videos bro

[@Stribbo55]

How can this be anything other than positive for online poker. Of course these stables cheat and getting rid of them will be good for the average player.

[@offconstantlypoker7325]

Great video! Honestly, the only true form of poker is playing live. At least then you have a chance of spotting cheaters

[@ionisius]

that's why you only play live poker folks. in my humble experience soul reads beat solvers every time

[@naswiipp]

The man has a face!!! Great content as always

[@humbertosilvacunha2810]

Mate. Your channel is so good!

[@PokerBounty]

Thanks bro!

[@jimmystrokes34]

@pokerbounty how do they accomplish turning the poker site into more of a poker casino game? Can you do s story on that or explaining that? Phil Gandolf said the same thing about Amara when they took over PokerStars..

[@KevinHasSpoken]

Thanks for the great video. Really love how you broke this down. Very informative.

[@PokerBounty]

My pleasure!

[@notthemessiah9243]

You can see the problem though; they are playing out of the same bankroll so you could be sitting at a table where two or three of them could put you all in and it wouldn’t matter which one of them wins because it’s shared.

[@xancypillosi]

Poker “stables” are collusion. You don’t need to “team up” to win in poker and if you do, you’re literally cheating. Stop ruining the game.

[@uns33n]

It's good for the game. Without the fish your stable isn't gonna make money anyway. And with too much controls by stables, no fish will play. They will instead bet on sports etc

[@xancypillosi]

So is Phil ivey a “fish” if he’s not part of your cheating stable??

[@dvh6298]

​@@xancypillosiPhil ivey is definitely a fish in high stakes

[@Hoogeland22]

@@dvh6298 Says the biggest fish in poker

[@dvh6298]

@@Hoogeland22 LOL it is just a fact, it aint 2010 anymore

[@Mary-xc1ev]

This is good for Poker !!! Ban stables !!!

[@louismaberry9683]

You do a great job!

[@PokerBounty]

thanks!

[@joeuser633]

Good for them! I’ll come back to online poker once it’s fair.

[@Pokerfarhang]

My poker dream is not to be cheated by colluders

[@user-md9ty9mz5b]

Awesome news

[@PokerBounty]

good for some bad for others it seems!

[@markcummings3146]

I'm not part of a stable but we've seen Stars and now GG try to turn Poker into a casino where there are few winners long term, it's short sighted and will kill the game. As much as I love plaiying the dream of moving up to play at the highest stakes has kept me playing for 12 years (everyone one as a winning player). Online now you see the games becoming tougher as hte player pool learns but also more rake style events which makes the games less profitable. It feels like death via a thousand cuts.

[@markcummings3146]

By the way anyone ghosting or soft playing need to face warnings and punishment if repeat offenders although granted it's difficult to prove.

[@TSeries502]

Put any of these fools in any tourney up to even five dollars on any site and i guarantee none of them even cash

[@easytofool]

If you can't have a poker career without a stable, then the dream is already dead. Stables and their owners are cynical monopolists concentrating the wealth in the hands of the already wealthy at a faster rate. It should be obvious that that is bad for the ecosystem of the game. If you want online poker to get even close to how it was in the boom you need to get rid of all the short-sighted decisions designed to grow profits for those already making profits. HUDS, Stables, ridiculous rebuy and late reg structures that allow profitable players to fire 200 bullets in a tournament. Not only is it unfair to recreationals (yes more than just being better than them), but it makes the entire game less enjoyable, live or online. A lot of players have no idea how fun a poker table can be because of how the soil has been poisoned by this stuff. Even if some players are clueless to exactly HOW it's happening, they can tell something isn't right and eventually they will leave.

[@ForeverConsciousResearch]

I have mostly played full time offline at brick and mortar rooms, but when the boom hit online the convenience of playing at home and the ungodly amount of dead money was just too good. As a result my game went to a 50/50 split between live and online play. Still even with all that I have always preferred playing in person because that's where your edge can shine best as a player. Having the ability to actually observe your opponent in person can never be matched. Not that collusion, software, and all sorts of other shady crap was active during the boom but today it is utterly insane. After black Friday I dabbled a bit longer but as technology caught up with poker permanently online I haven't been back (and never will). There is not one single online poker room that does what is right by the game and its players. It's an insult to every player of the game besides the cheaters. Your comment encapsulates word for word what has been in my head for years now, and even during the boom days I don't think any of us still didn't say "something just isn't right" lol. The online poker world hasn't learned from the scandals of FT, Ultimatebet, Absolute, etc., and how many freaking years have gone by now?? Funny enough I was just talking to a friend the other day and mentioned that there is a huge opening online for a company to swoop in and have a business model just based on game integrity. Will that happen at some point? & Can that even happen as technology gets more and more sophisticated? I'd really like to hope that it would be possible. This imaginary room online room must always be 💯 transparent with bad news and vigorously analyze player hand histories 24/7. Lastly, the first sentence really drives it home...if you need a "stable" then your dream is already dead. I look back at my early days of learning and compare it to something like a twisted college education. I had to learn through eliminating vices, minimizing losses/maximizing profit, reading books, consulting pros, continually improving on my cash/tourney game, and of course good ol bankroll management. Unfortunately I ended up getting chronic Lyme disease and don't put in nearly the amount of hours as I used to but I'm very content with my situation these days. Continually improving on the mind, body, and spirit while still playing poker has done a lot for my game. There is still a part of me that does miss living in the Borgata, Mirage, Foxwoods, and Commerce hotels though. Commerce and Hustler will always have a special place in the heart 😆 Anyways, sorry for the long response but it was great to see a comment like yours. Let's hope someone out there is willing to fund an honest online venture for players like us. "May all your cards be live and your pots be monsters" my friend. 🙏

[@yt.personal.identification]

*"The appearance of impropriety"* is something that needs to be avoided at all cost, especially in poker. On that basis alone, stables shouldn't exist.

[@Scarlettvoid]

Ggpoker keep taking, dont think of it as just this subject, its a knight/bishop move theyre after something bigger than stables.

[@TSeries502]

Online poker is already rigged, imagine with AI, get out while you can

[@sashasullivan4875]

Sounds pretty simple. Poker pros dont want to have to battle each other to make money cuz thats tough and they will make less. Pros would much rather take money off rec players and live it up. As a rec player, im all for banning stables, removing ability to use AI/solvers etc from the online gaming platforms. Am i missing something?

[@Nobody33566]

You cant use AI/Solvers in real time. Most people use to study the game and get better like chess. Using in game is called RTA and is already prohibited, BTW Solvers just show the optimal plays againt the robot who is playing optimal too, Playing explorative after study the theory makes much more money than using Gto Wizard in game

[@glaubs65]

Good

[@Jukeboksi]

Sounds like a pipe dream and prob not possible to enforce. But also, fuck stables, so go GG.

[@andersnielsen6044]

That is not "unthinkable", it was just a matter of time and to find out how to..

[@ACougarHunter]

So happy to see GG doing something about this. Stables are incredibly toxic to the poker community. Next we need some facial recognition software built in and running full time while actively playing, and probably kernel level access to ensure no 3rd party cheating/rta apps are running simultaneously. There is A LOT of things that could be done to secure online poker. It would require significant financial investment though. I just hope there is a company(s) willing to invest in it.

[@fernandogioia7276]

Stables are toxic? What’s the sense in that?

[@ACougarHunter]

@@fernandogioia7276 how can anyone legitimately trust a group of people all playing with the same bankroll? Not to mention the predatory nature of (most)backing agreements.

[@bbm1077]

great news

[@YouTubeaidsreal]

Number 3

[@jaredcush3125]

I think it's fine to back someone. But when you have 5 russians at your cash table something might be up.

[@david101stone5]

Ye especially when one of them has a 1000bb stack in front of him 😂

[@Hmmm63639]

Wtaf happened I thought poker was a fair game of chance and skill against another man not against a bunch of lame horrible ppl who are on team of cheaters and ppl who have ruined online poker

[@TomVerhaegen]

If there is money involved you will also atract cheaters to come over and exploit things. Shame but fact.

[@andersnielsen6044]

Online it has been like that since the very first hand was dealed..

[@tjneumann7828]

Stables are bad and turning poker into a casino is also bad. It's not that hard.

[@headshotlife7712]

Bhai ek video Viktor bloom ki

[@PokerBounty]

already bana chuka hu 2-3

[@CharlesJRead]

So why would anyone play online, lol.

[@pedroenfante3430]

Chip dumping would be under collusion?

[@PokerBounty]

100%

[@patrickledonne5547]

Chip dumping(in tournaments) has been considered cheating at reputable online sites for years. They frown upon it in cash games as well usually. In cash games it Could be a hacked account getting dumped. Could be dumping chips won by cheating etc.

[@ddddd1666]

Good,i am a recreational

[@ddddd1666]

let them play against eachother at the same table

[@Dxtrca]

Make video about Naniel degreanu's saying "more rake is better"

[@phrog6073]

no massive stable is colluding lmao

[@prasg1186]

Screw the stables.. but also screw GG w/ their goal of making everything as gambly/casino-like as possible w/ the most recent addition being the re-structiuring of Battle Royales.. more Mystery Bounty on top of the Mystery scroll they'd already added.. basically w/ every KO you are forced to purchase a lottery ticket.. smh

[@jimmystrokes34]

Yo I noticed that too on Wsop after they mergerd there previous online markets to include Michigan.. the mystery bounties are trash.. and alot of the tournaments are way more structured to play for impluse and gambling and all the stable tournaments they had before cost more to enter and pay out way less.. you think they change the RNG as well?

[@alinoalinor8550]

Bye Bye cheaters!

[@Frozkadurrr]

So a poker site owner is pissed someone else is in it for the money and not just for the community? Oh the irony😂😂

[@Kuro_Inoue]

This doesn't make sense. Poker site is a business to make money. Cheaters are cheaters and if they are too weak to win alone and need to join a cheating ring, they will lose at everything else anyways... They are losers

[@Frozkadurrr]

@@Kuro_Inoue i hate to break it to you, not all stables cheat. And if some do, its up to the pokersites to ban those players. This affects honest players aswell. But ye greedy pokersites would rather ban every profitable player and make it a casino rather then invest in proper security

[@Frozkadurrr]

Not all stables cheat...

[@Pokarface7]

Goodbye Eastern European and Brazilian players 😞. 1:33, that statement reminds me of Hitler blaming the economic turmoil in Germany on Jews...

[@gswdeclan]

Why anyone plays online is beyond me. If you play fair and follow the rules, youll get eaten alive by colluders and people ising RTA. Just go to a cardroom or casino, it's way more fun anyway

[@kc5084]

I play for stable but I have my own bankroll, I improved my game a lot and it wouldnt be possible by working oj my own. For me it's a platform to learn rather than anything else. Soon they will think about closing any school, burn all the books increase rake to 50% and convert it to casino 😂

[@drewwhezzy]

Who cares. I'm American

[@johnny207]

This sort of comment is why Americans are hated around the world.

[@Dxtrca]

No i care

[@the40yearoldgamer41]

Those fucking squeeze traps used to get me until I just started dusting off 2 bb with any two cards in those spots and trapping back when I hit... since you always get pot odds to call in those spots and they can't put you on random shit.

[@mckinleytinny]

FACE REVEAL?! YOU GORGEOUS MF YOU

[@LetsDoThisShtProd]

While soft playing and colluding is cheating, the sharing of data and notes is not and should not be considered as such. Stables in themselves really only provide stability to people that play professionally. Variance is very high for professionals so being able to limit some of that risk(especially for tournament players) is a huge relief for players to not have to ride or die with that. On top of that besides greed there is no necessity to collude and soft play your teammates while in a stable. I can see how some people could take advantage of that, I just don't know how common it is for stables to encourage that. I seems pretty bleak to be a online high stakes reg at this point the games already seemed few and far between with 4 pros and 2 whales always. With that being said historically rich people seemingly don't have an issue playing with pros. Id say itll probably impact like 25nl-100nl the most with minimal effects on higher stakes games.

[@Kuro_Inoue]

If they can't win they should get a job and not join a cheating ring