Shocking REVIEW of the TORO 60v TIMEMASTER

[@TurfCulture]

It wasn't that long ago that the Timemaster with the 223cc Briggs was a pretty good buy at $1,000... but the electric version doesnt seem to hit the mark. Good review and appreciate your transparency!

[@TheLawnGuardian]

No problem. Thanks for checking it out. I wish it was a better review for this mower.

[@travisgarrett9398]

I decided to try the etimemaster. I've been using the gas powered timemaster for 5 years now. I mow 25 lawns a week and you are correc, it will leave stragglers which is very disappointing. I did put the timemaster blades on and I mow on the high setting which helps a lot, but your batteries go very fast. I have found that on the regular setting, with the regular timemaster blades on, I cut about 1000 square feet per amp hour of battery. I also noticed that cutting at the d level(2.75 inches) gives you a good flat cut with maybe a rare straggler. The pros of the etimemaster are the quietness, the power(it can cut tall thick grass with ease where the gas version would struggle, no smelling of fumes all day and the deck never gets plugged up which was a big surprise to me. I bought the etimemaster for a big discount so I thought why not.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

Thanks for leaving this comment. I have never had clogging issues with the gas TM like some people have and I've cut some pretty thick overgrown turf. There are some pros with the eTM, I just don't think they outweigh the cons and price of the mower.

[@travisgarrett9398]

@@TheLawnGuardian If I was just cutting my own lawn I would stick with the gas powered too.

[@MsTonya417]

Glad to see you back! Thanks for the review,I was this close to buying the battery timemaster. This video definitely gives me pause

[@TheLawnGuardian]

Thank you for coming back to watch my video. I'm glad you found this helpful. Have a great lawn care season!

[@jaimemaccou1849]

The suction issues appear to be across the board with the Toro Walk behind mowers. I have a 21" gas mulcher/Recycler mower.

[@UNL113t]

I have a set of those low lift mulching blades for my gas timemaster and it does the same thing as the etimemaster, not lifting the grass up as well. It’s definitely a blade issue. Try it with the high lift blades that comes with the gas timemaster and see how those work. It’ll probably solve the clogging issue when bagging. I always side discharge so I never have to deal with a clogged deck regardless, always a super clean cut.

[@gregfisher216]

I have the basic 60 volt Toro. I agree that it is the rpm's, that the electric motor can not produce high RPM's. I have tried the bagging system and it sucks. I would imagine if you tired the gas powered blade on the 60 volt ,it would burn the motor up. I would say that if Toro wanted create a system that #1 produce higher rpm's and a blade engage system ,it would be much heavier and much more expensive. I had the transmission go out on my 60 volt after about 3 years. I opted to but another 60 volt mower. It was over $500.00! when I bought my first one in 2021 it was about $300.00! I will say that the Toro mower I have cuts a really nice lawn. I will say that my lawn is a mixture of wild grass and some Centipede.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

I forgot to mention this in the video but according to Toro's website the 60v TimeMaster is actually slightly heavier than the version. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.

[@Aerialphotovito]

Great review Ben , you can actually tell the difference in the cut quality between the 2 there's nothing better than a gas mower in my opinion.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

There's a big time difference between these two. Thank you for watching!

[@teamclarktrackfield]

I have the eTimemaster and after seeing stragglers, I replaced the blades with the Ballard Ripper blades. Super improvement!

[@travisgarrett9398]

I'll have to try them.

[@RockDawg7411]

How’s the Iron Cutter Bermuda looking?

[@TheLawnGuardian]

It's looking good. I just did a HOC reset, verticut, and sand top dressing so it's currently recovering but almost back to normal only a week after all of that. Here's a short of how it looked a couple weeks ago. kzbin.infomN-nc3B5DiY?si=22epiNqyWV9gZdUN

[@jolandajones4011]

I bought the etimemaster last year and I’m having the same issues that you described. When I contacted the dealer, they said they haven’t had anyone reporting those issues. And added that I’m probably mowing when it’s wet, which I don’t. They did suggest new high lift blades which they gladly sold me. Haven’t tried them but if it fixes this issue, Toro should have added them to the original machine!

[@theCastleberry]

Great review sir!

[@TheLawnGuardian]

Thank you, Paul. Just keepin' it real. No BS.

[@Dstromb232]

If toro put the same blade on the Toro 60v E-TimeMaster that is on the gas one it would cut down the mowing time because of the drag of the blade.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

That is correct and I have had several people tell me that they put the higher lift blades on it and while it helped the cut quality it still wasn't like the gas TimeMaster. Like you said they also said it impacted the run time. I think the E-TimeMaster just needs a complete redesign if they want to keep it as an option.

[@charliehicks6811]

Are there any accessory add-ons for the electric version to make it as deafeningly loud as the gas version? I don't want to miss out on any valuable permanent hearing loss opportunities.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

🤣

[@Tdeegs]

So I owned a gas timemaster and now bought an electric timemaster. I agree with all you said except there are two new points. When you switch to the high max power setting the mower is much more powerful. Also on either setting it went through my bermuda lawn with ease where my gas version really bogged down. I got a better cut on BERMUDA specifically with the electric. I'm way happier with it overall. So much quieter and hopefully much more maintenance free. We shall see.

[@1975oldschool]

Damn find points you brought up man!

[@TheLawnGuardian]

Thank you!

[@GC-kk4et]

Your comment at 7:58 gets easily resolved by changing the blades. Of course its going to have lower lift because it comes with low lift blades... Put the high lift blades on, run on max and you get the same clean cut as the gas. I have had both and cut quality is the same when it has the same oem high lift blades. They also help with filling the bag just like the gas. It's night and day difference.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

I have heard from others that the high lift blades don't fix the problem and they also begin to shorten the run time. Also as I said later in the video after spending $2400 plus tax on a new walk behind mower, you shouldn't have to spend additional money just to improve the cut quality. At this price for a walk behind mower, it should be perfect right out of the box.

[@GC-kk4et]

@@TheLawnGuardian I agree, It's too much for a mower and it should come with the same high lift blades as the regular one. Toro just wanted to extend the battery life so that they could market that much mowing time. I knew this beforehand so I spent the $30 for a pair of proper blades and it cuts much better now. My gas sadly was a POS mower and had too many issues but I liked the time savings and the wider cut so I didn't want to go back to a 21". Overall I don't think this mower should be 2,400 but I also don't think the gas version should be 1,600. Both are too much $$ for what they are but not much competition.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

​@@GC-kk4et right on. I've had several people tell me that the quality of cut improved with high lift blades but it still wasn't great or comparable to the gas TimeMaster. Glad it's working for you though. Poor cut quality aside at $2400 the E TimeMaster is still missing a lot of key features that I mentioned in the video that many other battery, while smaller, 21" mowers have. I'm glad you like this mower though, to each their own. I hope you have a great lawn care season! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment.

[@hammer1bad]

You have two different speeds and two different blades. It’s not an even comparison.

[@drummereef]

What was the HOC on both mowers? I wonder if the E-Timemaster would have better suction at lower cut height.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

They were both at the same HOC setting on setting C (3.25"), which is a pretty standard HOC for rotary mowers to be able to cut really well.

[@touchfreighttrucking]

Jeeez 2400 is steep. When battery comes down to gas prices I think a lot more people will make the switch. Even commercial companies arent quite there. The toro walk behind commercial mower is like 24k.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

There are a lot more affordable battery options out there including some 21" Toro mowers, this one is just a bit too high in my opinion. I do think with time they will come down in price.

[@charliehicks6811]

The electric mower is pretty sweet. Unfortunately I have no use for it since I got my lawn to go emo a few years ago. Now it cuts itself.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

How do you make your lawn go emo?

[@charliehicks6811]

@@TheLawnGuardian First you have to get it into punk. Once that it is done you simply start making its day-to-day marginally difficult so that it will be prepared for life. From there it naturally progresses to becoming emo.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

@@charliehicks6811 have you experimented with other genres to see the lawns response?

[@charliehicks6811]

@@TheLawnGuardian Indeed I have. Rock and metal made it super fun to hang out with but it grew like crazy. Country made it obsessed with crap beer, pickup trucks, and tight jeans along with sounding like it had a rock bottom IQ. Rap and hip-hop made it too materialistic and prone to gun violence and it had the same IQ problem as country. Emo just made it cut itself. So I stopped there. It was a win-win.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

@@charliehicks6811 🤣 how does grass show signs of being too materialistic?

[@Dstromb232]

Nice video.

[@TheLawnGuardian]

Thank you!

[@WooderBoyProductions]

Shocking, Toro makes a piece of shit mower. Doesn't surprise me.