Shopping For Dodgy Islamic Divorces! (Khula)

[@91mujahid]

Horrific stories. Too many heroes in the world now. Also, the ruling of adultery isnt restricted to the one thats married, but it would apply to the sane individual who has experienced intercourse within a legitimate islamic marriage, whether still married or not.

[@MedinaPrivilége]

Shady people will always seek shady activities, not shocking at all! Great episode, as always ❤

[@user-ve4zw6jp9i]

Ouf careful sis. You make fun of people and you will likely be tested with the same . Fear Allah hun

[@syedtislam]

Comes down to the lack of Fiqh of Nikaah/Divorce. Many people just look at social media at these "fake" married couples and think that that would be their lives. Got to learn and understand the deen

[@Finggy]

I recognise the guests voice 🤔 great guest.

[@WaqarHussain-te7ft]

Lol are you thinking what i’m thinking who it may be……

[@Finggy]

@WaqarHussain-te7ft yes 🥷🏽

[@salmantheking536]

Masked guy?

[@MJA1231]

Who you guy referring to ?? So intrigued now

[@WaqarHussain-te7ft]

@@Finggy bang on lol. The voice, the mannerisms and the way he speaks. Top brother

[@Coco-ki6zh]

I will never understand why a person would not grant divorce when the other spouse says they want a divorce regardless of you thinking they have grounds or not. Why would you want to stay married to someone who doesn’t want you?

[@user-yn8hn2yx2t]

You atheist?

[@MohammedAhmed-pl8xz]

Lol​@@user-yn8hn2yx2t

[@Lasagna-z8w]

For control that's why and to punish her.

[@mohammedrahman895]

Hahahahha you got told

[@jdkhan5620]

Very good question, I was thinking the same. I think most men are vindictive as the brother stated, for a good men for not to grant divorce to his wife would be that there's children involved and he doesn't want them to get of the railing.

[@user-by9jk4ey9r]

Very insightful conversation

[@Imlithening]

The individual "sheikh" in question told my friend that a state divorce is enough for an Islamic divorce.... Bare in mind, it was his wife that asked for the divorce.

[@MohammedAhmed-pl8xz]

Elaborate....

[@pearlsof5534]

This is great to listen to, thank you. Also maybe for a future show can you guys do a topic on how the so called Muslim community is capitalising on charging high and unaffordable prices to teach children how to read the Quran and Islamic classes. In the UK to send children to a Muslim school or setting the prices for most people are very high- in my local masjid they charge £50 per hour per child. And Islamic book shops are charging very high prices for children’s Islamic learning materials as well as capitalising on anything that looks Islamic from clothes to art. Online Islamic classes for kids has become a price war business who can charge the most, and to find a teacher to teach a child for half an hour at home is impossible to find and the rates are very high. This is putting a lot of Muslim parents from accessing these services and so many Muslim children are not learning because of this barrier especially when cost of living is soo high. Shouldn’t teaching the Quran be for free especially to children? Can you guys please research and look into this Thank you

[@Silentmajority-podcast]

Thank you. That is outrageous! £50 per hour! If you can email us your local masjid, we will look into it Insha’Allah. [e-mail] SM Admin team

[@Zazezoo]

SubhanAllah Yet they can afford tuition for secular education. Though £50/hr is extreme. People can get affordable Quran and Arabic teachers online from Egypt etc

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Usually competition makes prices lower, and online even more so

[@user-ve4zw6jp9i]

What if the husband will not grant khula until the woman agrees to give him the kids? Can such conditions be put? Terms like this will make women flee from going to these councils and just use western law out of necessity. The husband remarries but the wife cannot because he supposedly doesn't want the kids around the new man

[@MohammedAhmed-pl8xz]

1. I don't believe a man can make such a demand. In a woman has legitimate grounds to leave the man, a legitimate and qualified organisation would help her through such a situation. As for the kids, that is independent matter from the divorce. The matter of the kids is judged based on what is best for the child, and if I am not mistaken, in the majority if not all cases, custody is kept by the mother. The overall message on the podcast is to seek council from legitimate and qualified organisations, that can advise on all matters in detail in accordance to that which is best and pleasing to Allah, and not to lack faith in the correct process, and not to be your own judge jury and executioner, thus following your own whims and desires. 2. Going to the western law courts in most cases is not done out of necessity, rather its sad to see women go to these courts believing they will give her what she wants. This is very dangerous, as such a person is basically saying 'I do not have faith in the deen of Allah, I do not believe this is what is best for me, so I will over ride it with a kufr court system, and thus oppress the other party in their Allah given right'. Very very dangerous territory. Many may say the one who has done this or does it has committed kufr themselves. Allah knows best.

[@user-ve4zw6jp9i]

@@MohammedAhmed-pl8xz good answer but I will mention to you that we are allowed to use the western courts as a last resort .. as a lesser evil when all other means have been exhausted but the other person does not fear Allah. And when we do use it we cannot exceed the limits and take what is not within our right otherwise that will be our share in the hellfire... Using Western courts is a last and final option not the first. In my case I had a pretty decent Mahr amount over 20k which was never given to me so insha Allah it will be given to me in other ways in this life or the next . I agree that the kids are a seperate issue and if he cared about them he wouldn't put me in the position that he did. Having a second wife is a right but it's not a need and if it is the man better be ready to step up in every way which lets be honest they won't without the help of Allah. So my issue is that every case is not the same and women have their reasons which ultimately they will have to explain in front of Allah . This life is short and people.can play their games all they want

[@Lasagna-z8w]

This was a good podcast thank you both and me as a revert Muslim sister well tell you please you should expose that disgusting person who has no fear of Allah at all. You have to or you well be accountable as well. Anyone who plays with all this has no fear of Allah. Do things the right way by Islam it's not worth the anger of Allah

[@MohammedAhmed-pl8xz]

Great Episode

[@BilqeesZaman-e8c]

Great podcast.

[@ravinravin5483]

I'm listening to the guest , ok maybe the sheikh may not be following procedures or wat not. But we missed the main point it doesn't matter child finance etc, if a spouse doesn't not want to be in the marriage u can't tie down because she or he will be entitled to half of the property etc. and in terms of children, sometimes it best for children in long term to be in a separate house, then in a household if parents are fighting. Don't blame the sheikh can't tie people down to marriage.

[@clarejones2421]

Good point The guest seems very belittling of others misery Why hasn’t he reported any of these wrongdoers He should do the right thing

[@abumaalik9272]

You gotta be balanced, people have issues that need resolving, but needs to be done in the right way as the host and guest are highlighting. Even in British law you need to have evidence to get divorce, e.g. extramarital affair, abuse, seperation with or without consent etc, it isn't granted on a whim. It's a due process to safeguard all.

[@Jay-bc7kh]

even as a man i 100% agree with you. If my wife ever said she wants a divorce, for me its done. Goodbye. why stay in a relationship when the other person doesnt want to be with you.

[@BilqeesZaman-e8c]

Your right. Why does it take so long for a woman to get the divorce. It also has become too expensive to get one.

[@MohammedAhmed-pl8xz]

Look at the bigger picture....

[@RCMedia-xb5bu]

First one to bat - serious topic

[@yaseen8493]

There is a whole surah dedicated to divorce: Surah Al-Talaq. Therein God mandates the rulings/procedure of divorce. There is no surah on Nikkah. Point here is getting married is easy and requires just a few conditions to be met. With divorce however a whole surah is dedicated to it: It is not done so easily, as God hates divorce and loves unity. Just as He loves unity amongst Muslims. It is shaytaan who loves disuniting people and especially between the spouses. Seems like the shaytan has manipulated many of these so called “Shayks” into breaking marriages for a quick buck. However these marriages still remain intact. My advice to these so called “Shayks” is fear Allah as you will be held to account on the day of judgement regarding your actions.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

On the news it says 85 Sharia courts in UK and people are coming from gulf countries to do their divorce through UK Sharia courts. Why not just go through those?

[@MohammedAhmed-pl8xz]

This shows you how loose UK and Western individuals and organisations can be. People really need to fear Allah.

[@PancakeBites]

A MAN DOES NOT JAVE TO SAY IT 3 TIMES. ONCE IS ENOUGH. IF YOU SAY IT 3 TIMES YOU ARE NEVER ALLOWED TO GRT BSCK TOGETHER!

[@Zazezoo]

3times in one go counts as one. 3times after 3iddah periods then can’t get back together!

[@OrwellsHousecat]

You can get back together, there's a process for that

[@PancakeBites]

@OrwellsHousecat NO THERE ISNT. Allah says clearly in the quran the woman will have to marry another man before they get back together. May allah not allow this to happen

[@muhammadkhan7051]

The majority view is that it counts three times.

[@user-ve4zw6jp9i]

@@muhammadkhan7051 no its not. Go learn Islam properly don't be so extreme and opinionated. Bring proof from Quran and Sunnah

[@zarahm2650]

This is not good. The host is correct, a woman no lomger desiring to remain in the marriage is in fact a valid reason, and there is hadeeth specifically addressing that fact. You have a beautiful intention, but you are treading on thin ice sharing knowledge that is not correct. This is a deep and nuanced topic and respectfully, this panel is not qualified to discuss. Apologies.

[@MohammedAhmed-pl8xz]

The whole point is, WHATEVER the reason, it should be forwarded to a legitimate sharia council who can assess the situation and advise accordingly. The deen has rules. It is not based on what I or you or anyone else merely thinks or feels like. If the world and life was just based on personal feelings, the reality of humanity would be dire.

[@alycapo3391]

Beya the original

[@astongrad930]

Was this guest previously on but with a mask?

[@1jee-j9o]

Shaykh abu sayeed is elderly and he worked in Leyton sharia council and he does khula and divorces very easily . I know this abu sayeed very well. I had issues with him giving wrong fatwas

[@MohammedAhmed-pl8xz]

Get in touch with the host with your details, and this matter can be discussed further, with an aim to establish justice.

[@muhammadkhan7051]

Can you introduce your guest? Or do you just talk to random people about sensitive topics?

[@MohammedAhmed-pl8xz]

Whats your point?

[@Silentmajority-podcast]

Hi, The guest advises brothers on matters relating to khula. We can assure you and as is evident in the episode, the guest gives valuable anecdotal evidence and advice. Thanks, SM admin team

[@muhammadkhan7051]

@@Silentmajority-podcast Credentials please, not generic mumbo jumbo. There's no need to be so secretive unless you have something to hide.

[@muhammadkhan7051]

Name as well, I don't think I heard you mention that either.

[@muhammadkhan7051]

@@MohammedAhmed-pl8xz Source matters.

[@user-ve4zw6jp9i]

If women were being heard and helped we wouldnt need independent imams

[@MohammedAhmed-pl8xz]

People like you really vex me out. 1. Its very clear you aint even watched the episode in full, or you have watched it and dont have the basic intellect to grasp what has been said, for you to make the comment you just made. 2. If women were beimg heard? Incase you aint noticed its 2024 in UK. Im pretty sure women are being heard loud and clear, hence the reality of society. It seems like you are still living in 1904. 3. Most importantly, you gotta come on here and drop some negative comment due to whatever you may have or may embe going through.. Did you once consider the impact your words can have on others that read it? Or are you THAT selfish you only concern yourself with your own feelings at this point in time?

[@user-se8so5hb9g]

Women can't decide what they want for lunch, let alone decide to divorce. Unless it's a really abusive marriage etc

[@user-ve4zw6jp9i]

@user-se8so5hb9g we don't care what is for lunch . We just cook for the kids otherwise we are good with toast and tea or Uber eats

[@user-se8so5hb9g]

@@user-ve4zw6jp9i my point exactly!

[@1jee-j9o]

Shaykh abu sayeed is elderly and he worked in Leyton sharia council and he does khula and divorces very easily . I know this abu sayeed very well. I had issues with him giving wrong fatwas