Should the Government Allow Gender-Affirming Care?

In this excerpt from our most recent podcast with Canadian lawyer Bruce Pardy and podcaster Konstantin Kisin, they discuss the government's role in gender-affirming care.
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[@-OBELUS-]

The question really is: "Should taxpayers bear the burden of mutilation and sterilization for disturbed people?" NO.

[@drgreenthumb5648]

No it’s not. It’s a really simple answer. No

[@thetruthstrangerthanfictio954]

The government should not pay for healthcare at all for the most part. Any time it does the result is tyrany.

[@harrythedirty4256]

No they should bear the burden of Israel so they have free health care and free college education while our kids work in restaurants and end their lives because of the terrible health system we have

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

If the government doesn’t help pay for it then the government can’t tell people that they can’t do it, no restrictions or mandatory requirements, if they’re 18 they can do whatever they want to their bodies. Please note we let people pay money to jump out of planes so there’s no actual argument that the government can tell people what to do with their bodies.

[@DexterHaven]

Only if he's super hot... j/k

[@SeedsofEcofrog]

I do not believe children can meaningfully consent to life altering sterilisation.

It's not a belief. It is socially and culturally unacceptable

[@TerryMcGearyScotland]

Me neither.

[@beunothatyouknow]

I cannot believe that has to be said!

[@CorrosionX4]

But then again that'll make a few less libtards in the country

[@SosopChabot]

No s**t but some people aren’t smart to figure that out. Freaking absolutely crazy…

[@dcs668]

The fact that it’s tax funded is abhorrent. My mom couldn’t even get 1 Oncologist appointment before she died of cancer. Nor could she get timely diagnostic imaging. Then I found out tax $ go to this!? Furious wasn’t the word.

[@lesliemacmillan9932]

It's you furious people who have to mobilize and get your act together to get the politicians to stop this. Trans activists are a tiny minority that make a lot of noise. The politicians are afraid of them. But you can outvote them 100 to one if you get organized and put your mind to it. Fight every riding: if you don't stop this insanity we aren't going to vote for you.

[@southboundguitar]

Contact your local news stations and your representatives. Tell them that "you're mad as hell, and you're not going to take it anymore!"

[@lesliemacmillan9932]

@@southboundguitar But do it before C-63 becomes law or you might get in a sh!t-load of trouble.

[@paulinegauthier1867]

Agreed. 100%. We have got to get our priorities straight.

[@ubiveritasetamor]

That is awful. I am sorry for your loss 😓

[@jainfreeman9587]

Certainly not for CHILDREN!

[@hwhack]

SRS isn't being done in children. You're being lied to. Bring forth the children who've had it.

[@jainfreeman9587]

@hwhack I didn't say it was. I am against it though if an option. Cheers!

[@jainfreeman9587]

@hwhack I live in San Diego California USA & I think some kids have had it though

[@TheIndependenceThinker]

​@@hwhackJazz Jennings. Any questions?

[@user-td4wl8by8d]

@@hwhack Seriously? Jazz Jennings had a TV show about him for getting surgery. You've got your head in the sand to ignore the reprehensible experiments being done on children.

[@kimberleywarren8679]

My friend who is a transwoman has her hormones covered by insurance. My post menopause hormone replacement therapy has to be paid out of pocket. Jeez the organizations hate biological women.

[@BMWE-hm7uz]

They don't hate biological women. It's just they feel they can't go against certain types of people, generally in the lgbt social circles. They're almost protected people at this point

[@hyperteleXii]

They hate biological women.@@BMWE-hm7uz

[@adamwebster1666]

@@BMWE-hm7uz Almost??? "Protected Class" is the literal language used in the laws written to give them advantages over the rest of us.

[@adamfabian6017]

@@BMWE-hm7uz careful...those types of words can get you flagged for hate speech these days. Sad times we live in!

[@lesliemacmillan9932]

@@BMWE-hm7uz True, they don't hate them. But they will throw them under the bus to curry favour with noisy entitled groups that make a lot of trouble for them.

[@theodorabruin4601]

This shouldn't even be a question. Mental health issues need talking it out, not slicing and dicing!

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

That’s like saying people in wheel chairs don’t need wheelchairs they just need to walk it off. There’s no amount of talking that cures gender dysphoria nor is there any drug, you can however take steps to manage the symptoms aka alter the thing causing the distress which is the body aka slice and dice. As far as I’m concerned if people can shoot poison into their bodies to prevent wrinkles then go drink poison to make themselves feel good then there really isn’t a consistent line of what people can and can’t do to their bodies.

[@ouiouibien_1979]

😂 exactly

[@jaybee9269]

What about plastic surgery?

[@thevaccinator666]

@@jaybee9269 What about it?

[@jaybee9269]

@@thevaccinator666 >> Well, it IS slicing and dicing.

[@vrai6219]

But it's not gender affirming care they're offering. It's actually gender dis-affirming care.

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

Gender is psychology, sex is biology, there’s no gender in your penis.

[@greg6782]

Anorexics think they are fat when they are not. We don't pretend as a society that they are fat just because they think so. It would be devastatingly damaging if people did. This issue is no different.

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

@@greg6782 anorexia kills people, not eating leads to death, how does being a woman cause someone to die?

[@DexterHaven]

Or forget the 'affirming' part altogether and call it... 'gender contradicting care'

[@rhetorical1488]

@@DexterHaven there is no care there is only profit and ideology

[@danjohnson8556]

My conservative half is starting to take over my libertarian half, mainly because things don't happen in a vacuum. We as individuals need to start caring more about what debauchery is going on in our communities.

[@jennmcdavitt3782]

Very very true. This turned me from the left. I will not tolerate mutilation of children and anyone that says it's OK is evil in my mind

[@jaybee9269]

Boy, I know that feeling.

[@sarahg2653]

I don't think it goes against libertarian values to oppose this for children. If you oppose it for adults, then yeah, I agree, not very libertarian. I find myself in the former camp. I don't quite care what adults do.

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

How is healthcare debauchery?

[@jennmcdavitt3782]

@tiffanyroberts6460 it is not Healthcare to cut off healthy body parts or to steralize a whole generation of people or to forcibly convert gay people to fit some status quo. You need to do your homework. Listen to the thousands of young people that regreat their choice who tell you they had no clue what they were getting into. It's butchery and mutilation. Before you get your child's penis or breasts cut off you should be willing to get them a tattoo. Far less invasive. The gov is sterilizing the people they think of as less then. It is evil. Pure evil. The doctors think they are God and don't care about the after effects. Anyone that supports this is supporting evil, suffering, and death. Way way more kids unal8ve themselves 8yrs AFTER transition. Not before.

[@JB-sc3fr]

You can never change what you are biologically. It's impossible.

[@beunothatyouknow]

Fact!

[@neillindgren8992]

Indeed. If you’re born an XY, you’ll die an XY, and if you’re born an XX, you’ll die an XX. Hormones and plastic surgery don’t change your genetic structure.

[@SlimThrull]

So, you're still a baby?

[@Kankudai]

Biological sex is a fact. Gender expression is a social construct and is nobodies business.

[@jherandsoleil6335]

@@SlimThrullbaby is based on time. Not biology

[@alexfox4647]

“As the family goes, so goes the nation and so goes the whole world in which we live.” ― John Paul II

[@billcox8870]

My idea of gender-affirming care would start with two years of talk to find out why the individual feels that way. No hormones or surgery until the person is at least 25 years of age. They need to be able to truly understand and appreciate what they're going to do to their bodies and what they're going to lose forever.

[@lesliemacmillan9932]

Doctors should really get out of this business of giving hormones and surgery to mixed-up conflicted people. There is no such thing as gender distinct from biologic sex which is determined at conception and can't change. There is no medical basis for prescribing estrogen to men or testosterone to women. If someone wants to take estrogen or testosterone that they get over the internet, or over the counter in drugstores, fine, knock yourself out. But don't corrupt medicine by paying doctors to do it and telling them that they have to prescribe to all who want them or lose their licences for gender discrimination or transphobia of whatever the activists whack you with now.

[@Khepel]

The problem with the private assisted suicide by a doctor is the doctor's oath of "do no harm"...

[@onegorgeouschick]

I don't think that's an oath. Anyway C-19 fixed that

[@icestationzebraassociates2460]

I don't know about Canada, but doctors in the states (mostly) stopped taking the oath. Their reasoning was that they "harm" people when performing surgery. Sounds like a stupid excuse to me, and the oath could have been altered somewhat to remain applicable. The problem with allowing doctors to help people kill themselves is that people that are out of their minds can't consent to that. They (correct me if I'm wrong) are offering maids for people who are just....depressed. The doctor stands to profit. The government stands to save money. It's all wrong.

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

Harm is subjective, doctors do harm all the time it’s called malpractice which is just unintentional harm. There’s a certain religion that would argue blood transfusions are harm and what about people who think vaccines harm people? Just cause you don’t want a sex change doesn’t mean the people who want it view it as harm

[@jenjeepers]

In the case of MAID, allowing suffering is doing harm.

[@Khepel]

@@jenjeepers Good point

[@mikepurdue7472]

Not for children. And if you get it as an adult, pay for it yourself out of your own pocket. Dont expect me to.

[@johntruxal432]

Drs that do that to anybody under 18 should be jailed asap...

[@johnmivule-novabow8143]

You know the world is messed up when we have to Ask questions like this. Smh

[@shoutatthesky]

True that!

[@hydrogendemon]

Fr

[@Len_M.]

When a Soldier who is suffering from PTS is recommended assisted deletion on the “Help Line”, I think it is time to clean the room literally, and by room I mean the whole “House.” If you get what I’m putting down.

[@antibull4869]

Canadians are wholly too cowardly to do so. Every instance of government overreach in the last 10 years shows this plainly.

[@portaltwo]

I would love to have heard what Konstantin Kisin had to say! He is one of the most competent, intelligent and well-spoken commentators around today.

[@kathrynoneill81]

My question: How many people have gone MAD enough to even think of mutilating kids' bodies, and how many of us are still SANE? Forget the climate, the current tipping point is human sanity vs. insanity.

[@BeautyInAllPlaces]

This is a major point in society! Great statement here 👍🏾

[@Cafeallday222]

If you don’t have a strong inner self, you will look outside to find it. They try to confuse you and then you end up agreeing… but only if you are not strong internally. This is why it’s good to have strong ethics and morality, whether though religion, spiritual practices, strong family values etc. Much of that has gone away.

[@KaapoUuskaivo]

The jews have been doing it for thousands of years!

[@johnsmithers8913]

Honestly, I look around and most of us are delusional. Friends and family already have view points that don't match the reality that they can see. You can say that they are just indoctrinated or just too stupid to connect a couple of dots, but I think their minds are truly telling them there is something there that simply does not exist. That is pretty much 100% of what is defined as mental illness.

[@hyperteleXii]

In fact, I recommend all three. At the same time. Religion, spiritual practice, and family.@@Cafeallday222

[@tdiv1952]

Stop this insanity as soon as possible.

[@SageWon-1aussie]

Unfortunately Peterson is too well paid to stop.

[@cassandrabrooks6969]

@@SageWon-1aussieyeah…that’s not the insanity we are talking about.

[@greglander5227]

NO and if they do it on minors then arrest and put them in prison for LIFE!

[@BeautyInAllPlaces]

Agreed

[@hyperteleXii]

I don't usually upvote empty comments like this that are as well served by a thumbs up, but in this particular comment chain, there literally shouldn't be anything but agreement.@@BeautyInAllPlaces

[@himynameisaaron86]

It's funny they call it "care" when it's anything but.

[@johncheresna]

1981 double speak. We were warned.

[@clogs4956]

It’s a subtle combination of cognitive dissonance and euphemisms.

[@johnsmithers8913]

It starts at the diagnosis. The entire concept that the person is of a different gender trapped in the wrong body is logically ridiculous. Firstly, no person on the face of the earth knows what a female gender feels like or a male gender. We only know what we feel like. We have no reference for these things. Secondly, if it is truly just an internal conflict then changing your clothing or your body will have absolutely no effect on that feeling. The real issue is that the person WANTS to be viewed as the opposite sex from the outside world, thus the illness is not about a purely internal conflict, it's about their own place in the wider world. It's completely different from the ideology pushed to the common public. It's likely that this is similar to Anorexia Nervosa where the illness stems from severe feelings of inadequacy, feelings of being trapped in their situation and the act of controlling their eating gives them empowerment over their situation. Dressing up as the opposite sex and body modification is not much different than the Anorexic trying to modify their body or the person addicted to plastic surgery tries to run away from the negative perception of themselves. Sad that the entire healthcare system is letting these people suffer because of ideology when the true problem can be treated.

[@KG-jx8zt]

"Surgeons' inability to police themselves." Are we surprised? 🙄

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

Why should they have to? If an 18yr old wants to slice her boobs open and shove silicone in them then the only question is payment, no policing there even though it could go horribly wrong and stop her from being able to breastfeed which studies show can be critical for child development and mothering. How about we stop encouraging people to do things they don’t need to do and let the people who do need to do to just do it.

[@Len_M.]

@@tiffanyroberts6460”Hippocratic Oath.”

[@talia8581]

No. Mengele and his minions are alive and well nowadays.

[@Len_M.]

@@tiffanyroberts6460 “Hippocratic Oath”? Doesn't seem like it matters anymore. KZbin or someone deleted my last comment. 🙄

[@deet5072]

These monsters can't police themselves when the overriding concern is money. It's in their interest to have people permanently tied to medical care they can provide. In the absence of a moral compass these organisations need a legal compass so I'd caution with the idea that people can simply decide for themselves, because can you be sure you are deciding for yourself or is that thought being decided for you?

[@gregorymolloy8851]

I actually think the approach is it's questionable whether a surgeon should just cut parts off of you that are healthy as a professional. Like can I just request my arm to be amputated would that be ethical?

[@josephlarrybradley508]

Yes you can and it's being done. See the Freak who had fingers cut off? FREAKS before and after.

[@donaldobrien9171]

There are people that want this to be done. They are mentally ill

[@onegorgeouschick]

Well , I am sure you hv heard of healthy breast removal!?

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

People get their wisdom teeth removed and they’re healthy teeth, what about a vasectomy is that harmony a healthy body part? Biopsies are literally removing part of the body to see if they are actually sick or not. Personally I don’t care if you cut your arm off as long as you don’t claim disability afterwards but to the greater issue that answer nuance, there’s no black and white.

[@marysueeasteregg]

@@onegorgeouschick I assume you are talking about gender-affirming top surgery -- sometimes done in the early teens (!!!) -- and NOT prophylactic mastectomy for women such as Angelina Jolie who are at extremely high risk of breast cancer.

[@noahnorthon6888]

Sex transitioning, drug use, prostitution, etc. are NOT merely personal issues! Those actions affect everyone who comes in contact with them despite how good we get at hiding their darkness.

[@NoComment374]

As long as people continue to live in communities, the question 'can I do whatever I please to myself?' Is quite an odd one for a social species. It is often asked & answered as if humans live entirely solitary lives - ignoring any potential for impact on others. The body dysmorphia / selective amputation example is a good one. If person 1 loses their leg in a car accident, and person 2 is so mentally ill that they decide to voluntarily have an otherwise healthy leg amputated - Both now are supposedly entitled to 'privileges' afforded to disabled people - maybe up to & including disability benefits? This impacts society generally as the costs associated with these resources increase. The competition for disability-related resources is also increased - making it more difficult for the genuinely disabled person to access them. There is also no way to police this - there is no 'if I choose to disable myself, I forgo the right to these services' option. In the moment, there is visually no difference between the genuinely disabled & the voluntarily disabled. ...and the only remaining option is to trust the honesty, integrity & reality-testing of a person so mentally ill that they have deliberately disabled themselves to match a mental defect. I don't want to live in that world. Does anyone else?!!

[@thechuckjosechannel.2702]

How About No.

[@drgreenthumb5648]

No is a great answer

[@trumpet444]

We constantly lose because we always play along with their terminology.

[@beunothatyouknow]

Exactly!

[@jaybee9269]

Isn’t that the truth?

[@rubytimms3932]

Not all of us.

[@proffreedom8652]

By speaking truth and using the correct terms, we change the narrative!

[@BeaHindebars]

Whatever happened to first do no harm?

[@TeamBelmont91]

*ABSOLUTELY NOT.* Next question.

[@margibso]

After a decades long study John Hopkins concluded that sex change operations provide no improvement to quality of life and stopped offering the surgery. They rolled back this policy in 2015 and didn't give any reason why.

[@Kankudai]

What study?

[@lesliemacmillan9932]

$$$$$$$$$$ You have to realize how extraordinarily lucrative this treatment is in the States. American doctors look at us in Canada, ask us, why are you folks with socialized medicine and government cost control so keen to do this in your country where you can't make near as much money off it as we can?

[@asldfjkalsdfjasdf]

Link?

[@margibso]

@@Kankudai Can't post links in YT, but the study was done by Jon K. Meyer in 1979 and it was simply called "Sex Reassignment: Follow up"

[@lesliemacmillan9932]

@@margibso I remember that study too. Archives of General Psychiatry, Aug 1979. Only the abstract comes up on PubMed. People who had sex change operations were no better adjusted afterward than people who didn't have surgery so the operations didn't help them, was the conclusion. Not randomized so there could be psychological reasons why some people didn't get operated on. These patients all had a trial period of one to two years living as the opposite sex to make sure they were committed. Google yields several other follow-up studies from that era, too.

[@Laerun]

Absolutely not

[@drgreenthumb5648]

This is the way! Tell a friend.

[@andrewbfrost7021]

Would you say that someone who wants to cut off his/her arm because they don’t feel connected to it is competent?! Can such a person be judged as able to make sound decisions?

[@lesliemacmillan9932]

That's a hard question. Even psychotic people may have capacity (competence) to consent to or refuse treatment, even if they refuse treatment that would improve their psychosis. The more specific and localized a delusion, e.g., my arm is not my arm, with preserved thinking everywhere else -- you do see this sometimes -- the more likely it is that the delusion does not by itself impair decision-making capacity. You can argue back that competence to make decisions *in the area relevant to the delusion* might be too impaired to be valid. So your patient with the delusion about his arm might be competent to consent to appendectomy or cosmetic surgery on his face, but not competent to consent to having his arm cut off. It's tough. I'd take the view that surgeons, as a matter of professional ethics, ought not to amputate a healthy arm just because a competent patient wants it off. The surgeon should refuse to do it. As JP says at 4:55, there are things that if they were doctors, they wouldn't do. Ethics is a form of learned virtue that is enforceable by the profession.

[@andrewbfrost7021]

@@lesliemacmillan9932 I might have more confidence in the learned virtue of the surgeons if we hadn’t spent the last 200-300 years systematically dismantling all of the means of producing and propagating proper virtue in the hearts and minds of the people. I say “proper virtue”, because at least some of these surgeons probably believe that they are being virtuous because they have come to accept the idea that one’s inner life/experience is the highest good. Virtue is a value laden term which anchors itself to what is deemed to be the good. For them, all earth and heaven must bow at the feet of lived experience. So to them, the delusion is the “good” that they serve. To even call it a delusion is to be an oppressor. It is to impose some hegemony of normalcy on people who would otherwise be free to be their authentic selves (sans one upper extremity). Anyway, the whole learned virtue thing is not going very well right now.

[@andrewbfrost7021]

⁠I might have more confidence in the learned virtue of the surgeons if we hadn’t spent the past 200-300 years systematically dismantling the means of producing proper virtue in people. I say “proper” because at least some of these surgeons probably think that they are being virtuous. Virtue is a value laden term that is anchored to what is deemed to be the “good”. And for many of these surgeons the person’s inner life/experience is the highest good. So to them, all heaven and earth must bow at the feet of lived experience. And so, the delusion is the good that they serve. To even call it a delusion is to be an oppressor; it is to impose a hegemony of normalcy upon someone who would otherwise be free to be their authentic selves (sans one upper extremity). Anyway, the learned virtue thing is not going so well right now.

[@handyman1016]

Should the Government.... No. Every answer to that question is No.

[@-OBELUS-]

100% agreed.

[@matejmoravek4580]

Should the government jail criminals?

[@1KonArtis]

@@matejmoravek4580 still no, thats not up to the government.

[@jacobi-vision3249]

@@1KonArtisthen what is?

[@matejmoravek4580]

@@1KonArtis Maybe say executive government?

[@robertchapman6795]

In Australia we have NDIS. National Disability Insurance Scheme. Two cases; one (male early 20’s) went to their psychologist and said ; “I want to be a woman”. That day, the psych got the ball rolling on all necessary drugs, hormones (five of them) medical interventions, assisted living for their flat (cleaner, free delivery of everything they want), and free Ubers to and from medical appointments. Case two; (male late 40’s) Huntingtons disease. 7years ago, gave up job (self employed builder) 5 years ago, driver’s/motorbike licence. Three years ago became bed ridden (at home) with three around the clock assistants plus son, self payed. Around three months ago, the son called an ambulance three times in a fortnight to save his dad’s life. The third time the hospital finally refused to return him to home and placed him in full care unit, and finally got him on NDIS. SEVEN years after first applying and with constant updates to keep him on the list! 😡

[@adaukeje4517]

The lengths people will go to stand out… yikes 😬

[@-OBELUS-]

Agreed. Munchausen's syndrome.

[@adamfabian6017]

Remember when kids used to dress goth to stand out...at least the makeup washed off once they grew out of that phase. Good luck gluing your junk back on!

[@Ellio88]

Mr Peterson. You have been correct. For years. Under all and every kind of scrutiny. Thank you. You have my eternal respect and gratitude. I am a person for listening to what you have passionately shared! Gods bless to you and yours. x

[@nizviz]

No!

[@drgreenthumb5648]

Correct answer. Tell a friend

[@lynnbaynes2128]

Over 21, I don’t care. No government intervention, no government pay.

[@phloog]

The problem is that unless you’re willing to change the system, you will pay for any complications, or if someone decides they need to be blind now you need to give them benefits.

[@christopherscott932]

No it's wrong across the board don't condone sterilization of anyone it's wrong and a bad idea.

[@sean45642]

keep them away from the kids

[@clogs4956]

At least 25… I have a son who flirted with the trans agenda for a while, then rejected it as illogical but an individual’s choice, and now, aged 24 going on 25, is becoming opposed to it. However, one huge caveat: if 25 is the go-for-it age, there must still be safeguards, especially to weed out men with kinks or Dark Tetrad personalities that could present a threat to women and children.

[@titusb.pakalah8976]

This man makes a lot of logic

[@hansaugustsson7288]

In isolation, I agree with the "to yourself, you are allowed to do just anything" stance. But our actions affect other people; when you do this to yourself you are indirectly promoting these irreversible things to individuals who are in situations where they are not able to defend themselves. They just stumbled into this, and then you happened to give them a little push. We were not made to cope with the internet. I currently believe that promoting and assisting should be illegal. And taxpayers' money should not be used for this. And our fellow human beings need to hear that we love them and would like them to stay around.

[@drgreenthumb5648]

Short answer. No

[@StephPad201]

I agree with you

[@drgreenthumb5648]

@@StephPad201 we need more people to

[@StephPad201]

@@drgreenthumb5648 Ok that's true

[@axepagode4321]

In Canada, if an adults wants to be an amputee will the state remove their arm as part of the National Healthcare system? What if they want a rib removed?

[@lesliemacmillan9932]

That would be OK if it turned into Eve. :-)

[@koremeltdown7258]

‘Gender masking procedures’ is the correct terminology.

[@tiffanyroberts6460]

You being stupid is the correct terminology

[@callmemrbombastic1903]

🤫

[@libertasinfinitum6657]

To allow gender affirming care alludes to government having authority over such a thing. This is a private matter that should fall upon the parents. Understandably, not all parents are fit for this kind of discussion. For that purpose, I recommend a short list of self-evident truths. I said years ago, there are masculine women and feminine men. We'd do well to cherish this degree of diversity. I sure as hell didn't expect people to choose life altering surgery or transfer of a parents decision-making capacity to glorified baby sitters.

[@hugomalouin7830]

NO NO NO!!!

[@sw8carbon]

Im not convinced that because something doesnt harm someone else then we should be advocating for said thing to be done by adults. Every choice you make in life has an effect on someone else at some point. Also just because something doesnt effect someone else (in the short term) doesnt mean it can't have an effect on society at some point. I beleive this is played out in the example of School, because sending your kids to school means they will be expoused to what other adults have taught (directly or indirectly) their kids and kids do learn behviour from peers so again, your choices are not in a vactum and will effect someone at some point.

[@chrisbr1969]

As soon as someone asks “should the government…” My answer will always be no.

[@johnwool]

Is this not part of; "From those according to their ability; to those according to their need."

[@iknowyoureright8564]

I cannot ever imagine wanting to end my life…..even if I was 99 and in pain every day. Life is the most amazing experience and gift we could EVER have or be, and when we pass I believe that on the other side…..there’ll be a time where we’d give our soul to have the gift of existence again….even if it was the worst day you’d ever had when you were alive, you’d give everything just to be alive to experience again. We are not a cellphone that when the battery gets weak we throw it out or when our body gets frail we just end it…….that’s a sick sick way to think, we should cherish every second of existence we have, surrounded by are family and love, that’s how we should go, not by taking some pill the government said you could abs countdown from 100 then your dead…..that is very VERY wrong…..every single individual little second is a miracle all of its own, DONT dare end it too soon,

[@BMWE-hm7uz]

From that comment, I'm fairly certain though not wholly convinced you've never seen a patient with throat cancer. Choking on his own fluids, struggling to breathe, in absolute agony, fed through a tube. Then to sit there and watch this person go day after day, night after night, existing in torture for potentially months until one day he suffocates on his own blood, spit and vomit. There is a point where you go "I've had enough". Sometimes I believe the kindest thing you can do is let someone go. Majority of the time, it's a selfish act to keep someone alive just to protect the ones staying behind from grief. When you see someone on deaths door like that, like I have on 2 occasions, I felt more sad that they didn't have that option, because I promise you, both of them wanted that option of just an injection and the eternal sleep. Death really isn't a dignified process at all

[@alexfox4647]

DO NO HARM!

[@jainfreeman9587]

It is sterilization if done to kids

[@hachikodog858]

What happened to the medical oath 'Do no harm'?

[@borneandayak6725]

Not for anyone.

[@myscabula]

Bruh I only saw half of the notification and thought it said “Should the government allow Genocide”. I was like alright Jordan lets hear it but you’ll have to do some heavy convincing.

[@JohnDoe-jw7cj]

Don't worry, you'll get that notification soon

[@kimschwenker155]

I really understand the idea of adults having the right to make their own decisions but the Canadian public should not be paying for this. This is elective surgery, no different than other cosmetic surgery choices and should be paid for entirely by the person who wants the surgery and the maintenance or treatment required due to the repercussions of this surgery should not be paid for by the public. People enter into these situations with a full understanding of the complications and they still make the choice to go forward. And as adults, they also need to suffer the consequences of their own decisions.

[@karismith5079]

Very well said Gentlemen. I really liked the mention of "enforced virtue".

[@broeklien3817]

same with abortion and genital mutilation. because its not about fixing something that is broken.

[@littlebilly8747]

Gender affirming care should be focused on affirming one’s biological gender. If your body is one thing, and your mind thinks it should be another, that’s a mental issue that requires therapy to treat. Change your mind, not your body I say (or a least try that first before life altering surgery)

[@mikefarmer4748]

With almost anything, just because you have a right to have, do, obtain, use the thing, does NOT obligate me, the government, the taxpayers, to provide it for you. This can be applied to anything. Drugs, gender surgery, housing, an income, food, a cell phone, an abortion, not being offended, a college education, public radio or television, the list is almost endless. 90% of what government does should never be done by government. 🇺🇸

[@juliebrady8583]

Not for children. In 1977 I worked with a man in his thirties who had spent years in various therapies, then had to live as a woman for a certain amount of time. Go through hormone therapy, of course, this took time too. Then he was allowed surgery. This man was an adult when he made the transition. He had been in the RAF. He had married and had children. Years later he regretted his decision.

[@PIXELSURPRISE]

When I was 20 I told my doctor I’d never want to be a mom and to please tie my tubes; she refused saying I’d change my mind when i was older. When I was older I was diagnosed with a hereditary neuromuscular wasting disease. I’m legit infuriated how far the other way the pendulum has swung.

[@farshadmn4273]

Thank you 💯

[@ryanburns5667]

I don’t agree with the notion of it doesn’t involve me so I’m excluded, even if someone or something doesn’t directly do something to another including laws that are put in place, effect and have consequences on the population as a whole even though it can’t be immediately seen, I think its just a way to not address real problems and ignorant to confront them of what is ordered as the truth in virtue

[@mostshenanigans]

One thing conservatives seem to have a hard time understanding is called consent. They really enjoy going around telling other people "they are not allowed to do stuff".

[@DailyCorvid]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@howardtayloresq]

I am in remission from cancer and without the services of our NHS in England I would be dead. We pay for it through our taxes. I am in chronic pain still, so I now think that assisted dying is something that people should be to do…

[@helenekruger1370]

When I was 18 I had my eye removed because the colour did not look good after an operation that went wrong. When I was 30 I had all my teeth extracted because I had bad teeth and felt I am working for the dentist. I am now 80 cold and my whole life I was regretting having these operations. All I can say is people be satisfied with what God hands out to you. He knew you before you were even born and made you what you are.

[@lordx5950]

Its not a slippery slope, its a bottomless pit

[@MegaBaellchen]

I am transsexual and i hate the politicization of what has happened to me. I do not want to be protected. I fear the outrage of regular folks going against lgtb falling on me. I never subscribed to that ideology. They even tried to cancel me.

[@jaybee9269]

I’m real sorry that’s going on. For a lot of people it seems like “trans” has become like “queer”; they really mean it as a political ideology.

[@shoutatthesky]

You need to accept you have a delusion. Until you accept your sickness no cure will be possible.

[@SageWon-1aussie]

​@@shoutatthesky Right back atcha. Get well soon, please.

[@davidshaw164]

If you aren’t allowed to legally get a piercing, tattoo etc. until you’re 18… you absolutely should not be able to modify your body in these ways mentioned, under 18.

[@justinrideout4233]

"I don't want to impose" the greatest crime in history, when Competent men do nothing.

[@derrickblower6619]

What lol thats taking from parents rights and isnt your gender determined by the day you were born and the papers are filled out ?

[@leonaleaver7477]

Sure, they can, but they gotta pay for it.

[@ladycactus110]

AND FOR THE UNFORESEEN CONSEQUENCES.

[@khw64r]

Speech should not be policed. Our children have to learn to be brave and not to be so sensitive. At the same time we have to teach them to love others the way they love themselves. Complicated but possible.

[@tbk2010]

For adults, it's not the business of the state to legislate what they do with their body as long as they pay for it themselves. However, it is the state's business to ensure doctors tell their patients the truth about such procedures. Now in regards to children... hell no. I mean if you have a child with gender atypical traits, that's totally fine. Explain to them that a girl can like boy things and still be a girl, and the other way around. It seems that this simple fact is denied at all sides these days.

[@COUNTINGSLURPULA]

No. Also... Leave the kids alone. Or there will be hell to pay!!!

[@SageWon-1aussie]

How can you have any pudding if you DON'T EAT YOUR MEAT!

[@organisationxiv2927]

NO!

[@deet5072]

A counter argument that i think JP missed here is that while in principle an individual makes a decision, pays for it and owns it is all well and good The problem is in the detail, if i were a monster of a person working for a company with no moral compass i know that if i mutilated a person at their request i would also guarantee an income stream because that mutilation will likely come with long term costs to the "patient" Knowing this i could justify the promotion of this mutilation and lobby government and social programs to advocate and support said mutilation in the knowledge i am going to get very very rich So whilst i agree with the principle of your body your choice as an adult, people need to be protected from exploitation. Or in other words, can you be sure your decision to mutilate yourself was your decision or was it an idea nurtured by an organisation who has no moral compass. In the absence of a moral compass the government needs to ensure a legal compass is followed to protect them from themselves And yes that is a slippery slope but a line must be drawn

[@callmemrbombastic1903]

No 👎🏾! Not for anyone at any age! And the people that already went through with such changes should be held accountable when scamming unsuspecting victims!

[@cw9549]

No

[@silzeppelin]

This is out of question.

[@Gunnberg85]

And that's why freedom of speech is vital. We need to have the freedom to voice our concerns and experiences so that we as a society can tread carefully and learn from our mistakes without eliminating ourselves completely. It's not unlike using your imagination to play out a scenario without having to risk yourself every time.

[@javiminones1380]

I'm a long time follower of Doctor Peterson and many of his life lessons had helped me to make my life a more meaningful enterprise, but as much as I know I'm contradicting the general trend of these comments I have been taught to speak my mind even when that may bring me "trouble". The fact is that we are often not looking or basing our opinion on this subject in the literature. Sure, maybe we as a society shouldn't fund it but if the medical literature shows (and I'm just saying that we should focus our view through that lense) that the so called "sex change" improves the lifes and mental health of the majority of consenting adults that go through it, then it's a good measure. There seen to be differences at a neuroanatomical level between ""cis"" and trans individuals with the lasts showing anatomical features more similar to the sex they affirm they feel belong, so calling then sick and trying to "cure" then may not be the most adecuate measure. Anyway I had already go to long for a youtube comment. To summarise, this a necessary conversation that we should have from respect, and by looking carefully at the medical literature...nothing more, hope you have a great day.

[@iamcorneliu1097]

Where is the world going

[@neillindgren8992]

To Hell?

[@SageWon-1aussie]

​@@neillindgren8992If these guys get their way, then yes. Via fascism.

[@MsElfdee]

no

[@NikushimiDouble]

It's not about what a person can do to themselves but what a government licensed medical professional can do within the bounds of his government issued license. The government obviously gets a say in what is and what is not within those bounds. If you want to make an argument that people can cut themselves up however they want, then I don't think you can maintain coherence without also arguing that unlicensed surgeons should be allowed to legally perform surgeries, as long as the patient consents.

[@Runelph]

yes, as long as you're a consenting ADULT. it's your body and your life. if your answer is no in that situation, then you're advocating for government control over your own bodily autonomy. that's a worse scenario than allowing gender affirming care.

[@CW0123]

Should the pope be Catholic?

[@patriciaburlow8469]

Should the pope be human? 😂

[@lynnbaynes2128]

Should the pope be transgender?

[@MidlifeRenaissanceMan]

Should the pope ?? Probably not with this one

[@patriciaburlow8469]

@@lynnbaynes2128 I think she/ they/what/us/whoever is..lol

[@lynnbaynes2128]

@@patriciaburlow8469 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@prabhleengrewal913]

Remember the quote, you never understand someone without walking in their shoes. There are many psychological factors at play for individuals making this decision. I’m neutral on the situation but leaning towards it not being the best idea.

[@WardHammond]

That should be classified as elective.

[@jaredadams7736]

Hi Jordan B. Peterson, I Enjoy Your Content & College Talks Very Much. Some Of Your Videos Helped Me Map Into The World In Dark Times, They Caused Me To Clean My Room With Responsibility.

[@Nopety-Nope]

The first problem is IT'S NOT CARE. It's affirming a lie for someone who is uncomfortable in their own skin, rather than addressing the actual issue. All one needs is to acknowledge what they were born as (often done by a simple check in the pants) and then say, "Huh, I must have a different issue then. Let's seek help for that."

[@jimoconnor4766]

Any society detached from a foundation will destroy itself under vice and hedonism. Consent is not a sufficient foundation. It is a component.

[@carnakthemagnificent336]

The citizens of a State, or a Province, may also decide that certain actions are not allowed to be performed by those who want to be accredited as Doctors. Can't believe we're having such discussions.

[@mamandapanda185]

Sure, for adults, but not paid with tax/debt dollars and no more laws mandating we do it to kids or use a certain language that can change on a whim.

[@positivelydisliked]

If people were "Actually Sincere" about caring for others, they would stop at nothing to prevent them coming to harm.

[@l33th0b0]

Attn: Dr. J. Peterson A few questions in regards to the topic of transgender affirming care, specifically: The financial impact to the of the Canadian Taxpayer contribution to the "Public Coffers" use. 1.) What are the (minimal average for ease is acceptable as circumstances vary only to the "greater than" cost amount) individual cost per patient for any/all pre medical care. 2.) what are the individual cost per patient for any/all Post medical care. 3.) A simple "Cradle to Grave cost" upon uptake of this endeavor is acceptable but should not be disregarding the public academic forum cost nationwide that have been altered to reflect our modern times and the betterment of society at large. 4.) The final question would be the working taxpayers that are paying into this after their "Care and Treatment". Thank You for your time and Interest in this Subject I beg forgiveness of the tediousness of the topic but do not disregard the financial impact. Good Day! Signed: Taxpaying Anonymous inquiring internet person

[@tigusvaton8406]

The answer should just be NO across the board. The government should not WILLING to inflict delusions upon people or more so they should not encourage the delusions. If someone just stood up and spoke the truth the truth maybe just maybe would set them free.

[@TedMattos]

"I'm not exactly sure even what terminology to use..." - Dr. Jordan B Peterson. That seems to be the mantra of what our society has become. Things are happening that surpasses all meaningful understanding. I don't like that it's becoming so familiar to feel this way.

[@PlubusDomis]

I'm still wondering how if genetils don't define gender, then why does removing them reaffirm their gender..?