Should Vegans Pressure Corporations Instead?

[@DannyIshay]

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[@happycarnivore5481]

There is no law you have to eat meat. I don't see a problem.

[@TheSket]

So I’m a non vegan, never thought about going vegan, never planned to, no idea why you’ve come up on my feed. However, since you have and I’ve found my way to this video I gave a look through the comments out of curiosity. I want to point out that most of the comments are incredibly harsh if not down right rude. You may think that’s it’s righteous anger at somebody “helping destroy the planet” or whatever you feel that those not being vegan are doing, but I’m going to tell you that it does you no favors. This type of behavior, EVEN if you are “right”, when you are trying to push a movement forward will only serve to push those that may have sided with you away. I find this to be the biggest problem when dealing with many vegan activists, is that you get angry individuals screaming “YOURE DESTROYING THE PLANET” “YOURE EVIL FOR EATING MEAT” or any other variant of the insult. It’s why so many people view the entire movement as an insufferable nuisance than anything to take seriously. The point I’m making is that regardless of how right you think you are, allowing or creating these types of environments make people want to avoid you at best, or be totally opposed to you at worst even if they might agree with you under normal circumstances. I’d like to recommend perhaps not flaming and degrading individuals for dietary choices and instead focus on pushing the better points of your movement. Just as many people in this comments section are saying that individuals have a responsibility to help prevent environmental damage and other harms by making good choices, so too do the individuals a part of this movement. Hope this reaches someone and I hope you have a blessed day.

[@cmp-vegan5136]

well… great way to divert responsibility for her own impact…

[@Brukner841]

she thinks she did that successfully too, these people are so transparent.

[@Insight-music]

People clapping and celebrating because the pressure of accountability is off their shoulders. Pure pandering

[@Brukner841]

@@Insight-music well said

[@denmc7028]

Mono cropping is destroying the environment. Your plant feed is gmoed and sprayed with pesticides. Not to mention killing 1000s of animals per crop . I'll eat a steak and feel good!

[@stewartmoore5158]

She has the cadence of someone who has no idea what she's talking about. It's infuriating that clueless celebrities have this kind of reach.

[@terryjackson9395]

Celebrities just can't be inconvenienced. The only Vegan celebrities I trust now are Moby, Joaquin Phoenix, Ringo Starr, Tom Scholz and probably Susanna Hoffs

[@flintwallace]

​@@terryjackson9395Joaquin rides horses and i heard Moby said some weird welfarist stuff about honey lately. And Ringo is vegetarian not vegan. James Cromwell is the real deal and an animal rights activist.

[@Insight-music]

@@flintwallace riding horses isn’t vegan? Bruh

[@flintwallace]

@@Insight-music It's using/exploiting/taking advantage of animals so yes. That is what we are opposed to. Would you want someone to force themself on your back and make you run and carry them without consent? It harms them, sometimes lethally, and it's cruel and unethical

[@Insight-music]

@@flintwallace there is a lot of nuance. Just like pet “ownership” or domestication. I personally have never rode a horse. But I would suggest animals equally find humans intriguing and often enjoy our companionship. I don’t condone commercial use of animals whatsoever. However private relationships with animals can prove deep trusting bonds where the animal’s life can be enriched through services to us as we are also in service to them. It’s a reciprocal relationship.

[@AConnorDN38416]

So is she actually putting pressure on these corporations? Or is she just passing off her own responsibility onto some idea that individual actions don’t matter? I’m guessing the latter.

[@heystoopid74]

The way the crowd cheers when she says it's on corporations, not individuals. Cheering for refusing to take responsibility. Cheering for burying our heads in the sand. Cheering for pointing the blame at anyone but ourselves. Cheering at ignorance.

[@behemoth5344]

it's Stephen Colbert, what can you expect?

[@terryjackson9395]

"You mean I have no personal responsibility to inconvenience myself???!! Yay!!!"

[@neniugrava]

Exactly! How can anyone honestly put the blame on the corporations THEY are PAYING to do the bad things? "I honestly think it's better to put pressure on the government to crack down on murder-for-hire companies. It's still important to not pay to have people murdered, but me stopping is not as impactful as the government going after the companies..."

[@bbiggie97]

That was extremely infuriating to hear

[@Brukner841]

exactly, we make up the fiber of society

[@johnchesterfield9726]

“The 53 corporations need to change!!😡😡 But I’m going to keep giving them the funds and financial support to continue doing what they’re doing.🥰🌸”

[@coldpoison7513]

This is so well worded, I can't imagine saying anything other than "well done".

[@flintwallace]

How did you get LVL to make you a mod?

[@coldpoison7513]

@flintwallace I represent an identity to which he irreducibly values virtuistically. Unless you have a way of being me, then, I can't help.

[@Seitanist-uk8bj]

“We should be putting pressure on corporations, that’s why I’m giving money to the corporations that are causing the most, deforestation and greenhouse gases out of them all.” Yeah makes sense.

[@TXRhody]

Yeah, but you gave them the money with a frown on your face, so they will definitely change.

[@Corilo91]

Exactly! Unfortunately, most people don't spend even 2 seconds using their head.

[@miromoves2472]

I swear these "put pressure on corporations, individual boycott is useless" types are most likely the last people to do anything about anything 😂.

[@VT___]

Sounds like a lot of excuses and not wanting to take responsibility from her part, such a shame because she's sending the wrong message.

[@thebowandbullet]

I decided to start being racist again because I think we should put pressure on institutions to stop being racist instead.

[@bazileia9222]

You've made such an excellent point with your analogy.

[@Assassin99584]

Cope

[@Oksurewhynot13]

Why are people clapping for this? There’s no logic here……the idea that because corporations do bad things, we as individuals shouldn’t have to change our behavior, makes no sense. Yes, corporations should stop harming the environment AND so should we as individuals. We all share this planet. Not to mention the animals as individuals, where is the care for them? Because corporations harm animals that means individual people shouldn’t have to stop harming them? That makes no sense at all.

[@Lucy-dg9en]

People are clapping for it because it absolves them of any responsibility. So they don't have to think about the consequences of their actions.

[@jontanneguy4960]

The double standard with dogs/cats is very telling.

[@perkarmblad]

Why bother voting if one person’s actions does not matter?

[@flintwallace]

It's even more significant than voting in this case. Here's why. Every vote obviously matters because they add up to a whole and can produce significant change, however there's a chance that there will be more votes for something else and that change may not necessarily happen (but there are still important reasons for everyone to take their vote seriously anyway). However in the case of supply and demand, buying less actually results in less being produced, which has an immediate impact in sparing animals and reducing environmental stresses. And then it also has the voting-like effect on top of that, where if enough people do the same thing it can create massive changes so each person counts toward that. But even regardless of what other people do, your own impact is actually significant either way, and every individual animal life matters so your own actions as 1 person means the world to them (hundreds of animals a year as studies have shown).

[@perkarmblad]

@@flintwallace I understand that the importance of more people going vegan results in a non-binary effect, as opposed to an election. So, I totally agree with you.

[@ceeemm1901]

Wow, I bet she wasn't annoying at high school............

[@zet421]

People clapping, because of their absolute lack of ability to understand consequences of things they approve, is classic. They just think "yeah vegan bad, why go vegan when corporations should do things" but corporations doing things mean don't producing meat - scenario they wouldn't like even more.

[@Zenjohnny]

As a recovering compulsive gambler, we have to take responsibility for our life choices instead of blaming the corporations. Yes, casinos used my addiction to exploit me but I chose to go into them. It can be both.

[@jameswayton2340]

Why does she need to clarify that she is no longer vegan?

[@vwlisa]

Yeah it’s strange. She says it like it’s a good thing. It’s not anything to be proud of ….. or necessary to announce to the world that’s for sure.

[@Amshatelia88]

Because she needs to justify it to herself and have a crowd cheer for her lack of accountability.

[@Insight-music]

She wants to pander to the majority

[@AndyWilliams8]

Translation: "I want to do Jack fucking shit in regards to changing my own personal behavior."

[@PauIdenino]

She's telling people what they want to hear. Take all their responsibilities away so they feel good about not changing their own habits.

[@Dirgis-66]

We truly live in an idocracy. Well done, humanity. 🤑

[@terryjackson9395]

Celebrities always come up with some excuse, rather than just saying "I'm lazy and refuse to make any personal sacrifice"

[@chrishyde5903]

So her end goal is presumably a vegan world, but she chooses not to be vegan right now because... she doesn't want to? Brilliant.

[@stevangelical7052]

Choking on a steak while writing a letter to a big corporation meanie. That'll learn 'em. Planet saved! Me, me , me for president.

[@GabrielPettier]

To anyone telling me that going vegan as an individual doesn't make a difference, i'm going to ask if they think voting matters, and if people should do it, because it's exactly the same argument.

[@angelafuller8746]

The fact that she got applause 🤢🤢🤢

[@RapidBlindfolds]

Great rebuttal

[@vendetta.02]

the main issue is that shes missing the point of veganism, it has nothing to do with the environment, its about animal rights and ethics towards animals, she was never a vegan and it shows by how she talks about veganism.

[@grimfact]

When she said she was 'vegan' at one point, did she actually mean she was someone who ate 'plant-based'?

[@akashajones6079]

Definitely

[@allencrider]

Animal AG stinks! 💩

[@the_actual_lauren]

Stopping being racist won't end systemic racism, guess I'll stop being not racist now

[@happycarnivore5481]

Not quiet the same thing though, is it

[@the_actual_lauren]

@@happycarnivore5481 Nope it's exactly the same. I'm being expected to believe that "if a problem X is systemic, then it is morally permissible for me to contribute to the problem X as an individual because I myself am not the whole system", with X being animal agriculture in this case. I can therefore substitute X for any problem, such as racism or sexism or homophobia or transphobia etc.. If I CAN'T substitute X for any problem, then why should I believe the statement "if a problem X is systemic, then it is morally permissible for me to contribute to the problem X as an individual because I myself am not the whole system"? Why should I view that statement as common sense if it is ONLY being applied in this ONE case where X equals "animal agriculture"????

[@akashajones6079]

​@happycarnivore5481 The example is sound. Not sure what you don't get

[@Fedaygin]

Well said Danny 🙂 Star Wars Ref with lil change: 'You have Spoken' 👍

[@mrmiller2503]

She's just talking about the environment, which has nothing to do with veganism.

[@taintmueslix]

the environment includes animal habitat, which has to do with veganism

[@behemoth5344]

the environment is one of the main reasons why I got interested in the vegan lyfestyle.

[@mrmiller2503]

@@behemoth5344 That's great that it was an entry into learning about animals being exploited and killed unnecessarily. I just find it odd that she says she's no longer vegan, and then goes on to talk about the environment, when veganism isn't about the environment.

[@Corilo91]

Veganism is about animals. Destroying the environment harms animals. Therefore, Veganism is also about the environment.

[@behemoth5344]

@@Corilo91 I like the way your reason, Lieutenant.

[@juanpablocarvajalarias7583]

girl hasn't learn about offer and demand

[@blackpalacemusic]

Boycotting is one of the best ways to put pressure on corporations.

[@tsbspionkop]

"I need to clarify this thing that nobody asked me about so i can make myself feel better about my choices"

[@Corilo91]

What's the better way to "Pressure Corporations" if not freaking stop buying their products? I don't know who is this girl, but she has no idea what she is talking about.

[@ThatChipGuy]

It’s so sad to see people who I thought were smart behaving so stupidly. Like, does she not understand how the market that she participates in works?!

[@PercivalBlakeney]

"The greatest crime is to do nothing because we can only do a little." - John le Carré. 🌹

[@helenedgington3135]

She sounds right until you remember that it’s all about supply and demand that is the basis of every business 🤦‍♀️

[@ThingsYoudontwanttohear]

Henry Ford was the most impactfull person for the liberation of the workhorse by mass producing the automobile, but did that give people before the freedom to treat their horses horribly before sending them of to the meat and glue factory?

[@albertoandrade9807]

Milk Consumption is decreasing each year. Dairy farms are closing

[@albertoandrade9807]

Who drives demand Tell me

[@yangtse55]

Her vocal fry betrays her disingenuity.

[@vegangames3468]

💙🍇🙏🏾

[@ResistanceQuest]

Her critique is completely valid, and is it important aspect of undermining neoliberalism grip on us in terms of emphasizing individual action over mass or institutional action. However she does clearly draw, or at least imply, the false dichotomy, and presents it in a very smug manner which undermines her sincerity a little bit. Like she genuflects with a Seinfeldian "not that there's anything wrong with that! " to try to avoid the ire of vegans, while in effect undermining and calling into question our motives, when no such skepticism is warranted

[@superhealing5511]

She used every single brain cell in her head, still lost it

[@johncrondis4563]

Hey, I really appreciate you, and like majority of your videos. But I was blocked in your recent live chat for dexter just because I shared a differing point of view with one of your moderators, who I think is Cold Poison, but I can't be sure who blocked me. It could have been you, idk. Either way, I was civil, I was chill, I wasn't doing anything wrong, and yet I am censored. So, I unsubscribed from you, just want you to know. I don't really agree with being censored and not allowed to participate in your live chats just because someone didn't like my point of view. I've been ethical vegan for 10 years as a note, my point of view was just that being calm and less reactive could be better for how outsiders view vegans. I didn't claim it as truth, or universal, just that it is what I have noticed in my experience, and I got blocked for saying that. Wish Dexter well, goodbye until further notice.

[@DannyIshay]

I’ll look into this

[@johncrondis4563]

@LiftingVeganLogic I appreciate that man. I dont want to start drama, I dont even want reprimands for whomever blocked me. I also am sure they were well intentioned, but at one point I feel there is a place to just have conversation and talk about perspectives and ideas without being censored for having a differing view. Hope the live video went alright and that you got some good donations 👍

[@मृदुलशर्मा]

its like blaming slave traders for slavery, there was slavery not because of slave traders, but there was a demand for slaves. Moreover, don't become a vegan for environment or health reasons, though there are lots of health benifits being a vegan and environment can benifit a lot as well. Be a vegan for ethical reasons.

[@johnchesterfield9726]

The audience are literal NPCs lol

[@tompetty6681]

Comedian? I thought comedians were funny 🤔

[@Human_Herbivore]

She's just trying to deflect from her own actions.

[@Perenbarn]

Humans must be the most egocentric species in the universe.

[@juanpablocarvajalarias7583]

can she even define her concept of pressure? cause that sound like a lot of shit to me jajajja

[@rollsaroundindirt]

your hair is absolutely wild here! but yesh..I can't stand the "but corporations tho" as a way to exempt personal responsibility

[@DannyIshay]

Wild how? 👀

[@viviendaquino8364]

How ridiculous is her argument. Well, big corporations pollute the planet, so I can throw my rubbish on the ground. Also, she is forgetting that veganism is about the animals, not the planet.

[@shredwithmeg8080]

do you look at non vegans as criminals?

[@veman5409]

We got Earthling Ed for our vegan Jesus. Lifting vegan logic is goin for the Moses look

[@PercivalBlakeney]

Two and half million Vegans in the UK? Wow! Heartening news and no mistake. 😁

[@tonetzu]

But we are sick of all the preaching. It makes me want to go out and eat another steak.. if u attack the companies u might make a change

[@Amshatelia88]

So...explain how giving corporations money is "attacking" them? 🤨 Corporations don't care about your feelings.

[@tonetzu]

@@Amshatelia88maybe attacking was a bad word to use here. i really meant annoy. i dont care about your feeling either lol but if companies stopped suppying meat than i coudnt eat it.

[@bobhill4364]

​@@tonetzuThey supply meat because people want to eat meat.

[@tonetzu]

@@bobhill4364 I know.. but ur not gonna get me to choose to stop eating it...

[@bobhill4364]

@@tonetzu lol, so what does that have to do with blaming corporations. I don't care if you don't want to stop eating it. I just don't like the cowardice of blaming those who supply the food you want.

[@HMH362]

We still can’t come up with something better than dogs? Let use cats or baby koala bears something different. I know you can be more creative!

[@akashajones6079]

The example is to illustrate hypocrisy, not to be creative...