Should You Enable Or Disable Core Isolation Protection

[@cammy85]

A little warning for those who enable this via Wintoys on unsupported hardware: you better have a restore point first as you WILL get a neverending blue screen if you enable this. Not even safe mode will help.

[@PoPMichalpl9]

I wonder how many people had their week saved by your comment

[@hayyeh7795]

was planning to turn it on after downloading from a wrong website (and a malware having been installed in my system), thanks for the warning since I am not turning it on

[@Rubi-fn9uu]

the problem is that you've tested gpu bound games. I have r5 7600 and with memory integrity off I have higher 1%lows on cpu bound games and no stuttering

[@rogerbowen5753]

Memory Integrity was something another channel told me to turn on ages ago, so I did and just forgot about it. I've never noticed anything so I just leave it.

[@Britec09]

Same

[@lakephillip]

I would love to use it. But I have a i5 14400 /ASRock 760m wi-Fi Riptide. After current Windows update I rebooted and had driver incompatibility error messages on reboot. It was all tied to Core Isolation settings, as well as Memory Integrity setting. When I turned it off I rebooted without issue. The main program incompatibility was ASROCK Phantom Game Tuning which includes Fan Curves. I'll stick to it off, I'd rather not have all the errors that come up after booting.

[@NTPTM]

Hi Brian, thanks for the video. Yes, I have Core Isolation turned on in Windows. It's a great feature for added protection and enhanced security that is included in Core Isolation. But as you say, Brian, you can turn it off if it affects your computer when you play games and so on, but I also recommend keeping Core Isolation turned on in Windows. Take care Brian and I wish you a lovely Sunday evening. Greetings from Nils.

[@Britec09]

Thanks, you to

[@charlesxix]

Thanks a lot Brian. I'll leave mine as it is. I hope you have a great week.

[@Britec09]

Thanks, you to

[@Gateastrologykc]

@@Britec09 tech yes city made a video on this topic on amd systems i also want to make a follow up video for u

[@ShadowzGSD]

thanks for the video, i did not even know about these settings.

[@Britec09]

Glad I could help

[@Staycalm2010]

I do get small fps hit when turned on. I ran it on the Black Myth Wukong benchmark and lost 1 frame. I got 44fps min when Core Isolation Protection was turned on and 55fps min when turned off. I think the main reason to turn it off I have heard of is that some hardware device drivers conflict with it. I think it was some exotic audio hardware.

[@AlenDelon-x6i]

Yea and also if you plan on using Cheat Engine.

[@2Burgers_1Pizza]

Yeah, I've tested this as well with similar results (using PresentMon). Looks to be just overhead that affects processing time, bandwidth, and access time. Depending on the game (like Fo76), it can introduce microstutters, which can be very noticeable. Games with more sophisticated engine architecture are less affected, however.

[@Sid-Cannon]

I'd have this turned on but there are incompatibilities with a certain driver and that driver belongs to Shadow Defender, a reboot to restore security solution I've been using for about 15 years. To turn core isolation on would mean I would need to stop using Shadow Defender, which isn't happening because Shadow Defender is the most important security software I use.

[@AthleticGuy54]

I have had this on and i love having it on. My opinion is that if a game is requiring the user to turn it off in order to play the game then i personally don't bother playing the game

[@majorschlemihl4550]

sorry bothering anyone, but how do you get this start menu layout? is this a mod, with this tabs and colorscheme its kinda nice?@0:03

[@PJD_55]

@majorschlemihl4550 It’s Start11. Brian already did a in depth video on it. I’m using it, it’s very good.

[@majorschlemihl4550]

@@PJD_55 thank you!

[@PJD_55]

@@majorschlemihl4550 👍

[@davidstephens189]

You spoke of other games after Tomb Raider, but you didn't change the image with stats.

[@aska221]

I'm not worried about losing a couple frames when gaming, I'm worried that I'm enabling some of microsoft's many different bloatware/spyware/viruses I generally just say "fuck off" to anything that windows try to enable. Because it is 99.99% of the time just spyware or bloat clogging up your PC.

[@TekNeil]

My 6700K and 3080TI dislike it on WIN10. Yep...I need to update 😢 Wanting to jump on Ryzen! Cheers for the vid, pretty much all within margin of error on modern stuff with the odd potential outlier, so very much worth having it on.

[@Nonx007]

Its better on 1% low?

[@surpriseblueviana3803]

But on other big channel , Hardware Unboxed they show big diference on this!!

[@RedArmyMostar]

Stay safe Brian

[@vampiregoat69]

All well and good but is protection not better than a SMALL bit of FPS?

[@65CJ5]

I have too many needed drivers that are not compatible so it's off.

[@Britec09]

Valid point

[@MikeBob2023]

Thank you, Brian.

[@Britec09]

My pleasure!

[@vobose]

Also is there a way to turn on/off these features with a desktop shortcut or a command?

[@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU]

Of course there's not. Turn it off completely and don't install garbage on your OS. If you're worried and easily scared then disable defender and install AV that turns itself off while gaming. Best things you can do is install custom OS made for maximum performance like ghost spectre for example, without defender if you want own AV.

[@onthatdirtroad]

If you like to OC you cannot use the Intel or ASUS software while in Windows.

[@j3m638]

In all honesty with such negligible numbers, testing 1% lows would be more relevant & to see if this would have any bearing on them?

[@andriusjautakis7919]

Is it something to worry about on i5 14600k and 4070 super?

[@kamwar69]

No it's not. You should worry about your CPU.

[@AlenDelon-x6i]

What you should be worrying about is upgrading that CPU to a 7800x3D ASAP

[@miroslavmikus6480]

I had to disable everything (even in the registers, switches didn't work) as it blocks VirtualBox virtualization and in emulated one KDE was unusable (short freezes, stuck keys, ...)

[@marilynman]

I remember when I got my new PC a year ago I turned this feature on and played a single game with no impact, then I decided I was ready to play another game which was more of the fps kind and holly molly it was bad like 2 seconds per frame bad. I didn't understand what the issue was until I remembered the only thing that I changed was the enabling of Core Isolation Protection, I reverted it and voilà, no more stuttering. I don't have a potato that's for sure, so I don't know how the game it's impacted by this but I suspect that the game may be running something and this feature may be constantly checking what it's doing so the game cannot access smoothly the resources. Kind of like an antivirus checking a file before you open it, but in this case it is locking it from running until it's in the clear and then release it for every little change. So I don't think it's only old computers, there must be something else going on. I have a Ryzen 7 7700x 8-core processor, 16 logical processors, ASRock A620 Pro mobo, Radeon RX 7900 XT GPU, running Windows 11 Educational edition.

[@Soldierz-cx2nh]

now i get it thanks for another good video

[@Britec09]

You're welcome

[@thierrybo6304]

The average score that are nearly the same hide the real benefit of turning isolation off. You will never notice the max fps you get on the first game. however you will feel the better min fps because it is what really makes you feel a better video. And about "margin of error", the fact that the min fps for the three tests is always in favor of isolation off means something.

[@QTmodz-Projects]

min fps for the three tests is always in favour of isolation on lol

[@jcnikoley]

It's not gonna make or break anything, but even Microsoft is saying that it will improve performance.

[@real_lostinthefogofwar]

My Logitech drivers are incompatible with Memory integrity

[@rogerbowen5753]

Yeah, I came across that. I'd had a Logitech joystick and gave it away and it took me ages to locate and delete the offending driver.

[@real_lostinthefogofwar]

@@rogerbowen5753 I have a Logitech mouse, keyboard, and webcam, so I just leave it turned off.

[@brianwalker7771]

Try it on much older hardware like a ddr3 based xeon,amd pre ryzen build. If it does not cause chaos on a 10 year old plus setup from both Intel and amd than it may not be that bad.

[@ryanzmuda3167]

Most systems can’t do this. They always say check drivers but never list them.

[@wilsonj4705]

I tried turning in on but it keeps saying my TV card's driver ( (Hauppauge) is incompatible

[@Britec09]

Yeah, that can be a issue.

[@davidthescottishvegan]

I enable Core Isolation because I would rather have it on protecting my Pc rather than have the system compromised but I am not a gamer.

[@ChrisGR93_TxS]

yeah, with Microsoft on your side you have nothing to worry about 😅

[@nothinghere615]

@@ChrisGR93_TxS sounds like a good reason to have it enabled. Do you disagree?

[@NTPTM]

Hi, you're doing the right thing. There are a lot of nasty things out there, so having extra protection on your computer is never wrong. Take care and have a lovely day.

[@Britec09]

Leave it enabled

[@itsbinoyghosh]

How compromised?

[@ThenameYTchose4me]

Very informative and tons better than other videos on this subject!

[@shamrockisland]

Is the default on or off ?

[@ChillWithAimes]

Off

[@FeedScrn]

Thanks for the video. Virtualization is a great anti-virus technique. I turned it on. I'm running Win 11 on 8G of ram. ... just switched from Win 10. I'm hoping that Win 11 uses Ram memory better. So far, so good.... Not sure about WSLg.. still have to try it.

[@mjs28s]

Less someone is making 5 figures or more per year as a professional gamer, anything over 100FPS is plenty. The people that need higher than that are just being ridiculously overly competitive for no real reason. You might see more fluid game play in a competitive FPS shooter but just the human response time is orders of magnitude slower than even 100 FPS, then you have latency from all sources added in, etc. If you are playing games offline then 60 is plenty but, obviously 100 looks nicer. The 1% lows / min / average fps during a drop is what matters. I'd take 60 FPS steady all day long over 120fps average with periodic dips into the 60s. Those drops / stutters are infuriating.

[@Britec09]

Thanks for sharing

[@miket3445]

I would rather core isolation be on but unfortunately it prevents a commercial flight simulation hardware driver from working. No work arounds until the driver vendor updates to Win 11. Guess I could go back to Win 10…..

[@AlrekArinbjorn]

Memory integrity prevents a lot of malware from being able to do its damage, you should always have it turned on and never install anything that wants you to turn it off

[@Britec09]

I agree

[@AlrekArinbjorn]

@@Britec09 literally nothing that an average, advance or even professional user would ever want to use needs to get that deep into the system. If it won't run with all the core isolation features enabled, it's malware. the tiny difference in framerates and loading speeds isn't worth opening up the deepest parts of your system to everything.

[@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU]

@@AlrekArinbjorn you do realize these things are invented for boomers who click every link, open every email, download all the obvious malware right. The same with AV. On how many things are you going to say that its not worth the few frames? when you lose 10.. 20? perhaps 30? It's obvious people want max performance for games, those should turn it off and don't use AV or at least have it off during that, if you don't install garbage on your system you don't need these things they made for 80 yo grandmas. If you don't know what you're doing or installing then you should get a console.

[@AlrekArinbjorn]

@@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU the days where you needed to be tricked into clicking on something to get malware are long gone. Most malware is delivered through zero-click exploits, look at the WannaCry ransomware and how that was able to run on the vast majority of systems, no clicking at all, you didn't even need to have anything open for it to happen. If your antivirus was a good one that actually works your system would be protected, if your antivirus was a shitty one like crowdstrike or norton, your system would be infected. A tiny difference in loading times or a tiny difference in framerates is not worth having your whole system toasted when you least expect it. All this horse-crap about framerates is definitely some kind of propaganda to get people to turn their security features off. No security on your system means that anyone can plant whatever they want on there. Always use a VPN, always use antivirus, always use all your core isolation features No, you won't lag with a VPN if it's a good VPN. Don't allow people you play games with to know where you are

[@AlrekArinbjorn]

@@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU being careful about what you click on isn't enough to keep your machines safe anymore. The vast majority of malware that happens in the wild is installed through zero-click exploits. Not having any protection on your system at all is a bad idea.

[@SOG989]

How much does BITLOCKER affect performance ?? 🤔

[@Steve_mos8541]

I would NEVER EVER sacrifice protection for speed, wgf about speed if you're system is wide open??

[@Rubi-fn9uu]

windows 10 has that setting turned off by default and still, you have survived.

[@madmaxdago393]

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[@ShadowzGSD]

in the real world no one will notice any difference in gameplay or fps, the only ones that will notice are those with the stats displayed in front of them and because it is there that 1 fps is the end of the world and makes the game unplayable 🤣

[@Britec09]

I agree

[@hotmixer2010]

If you're gaming on a 5 or 10 year old system then this would be an issue

[@markclark787]

does not like the intel cpu driver igdkmd64.sys?

[@Resad77]

No. I tried and it f**** up my performance hugely. Maybe more powerfull pcs can, but still Im not sure you want to sacrifice performance no matter what pc you have.

[@msun12000]

If you run something like VirtualBox, my understanding is that core protection has to be off.

[@charliesretrocomputing]

I run VirtualBox VMs every day and I have memory integrity and core isolation and all of those settings turned on, strange lol

[@kenrock2]

I think is the android emulator like bluestack.. Not virtualbox..

[@Sam-zw2kp]

@@charliesretrocomputing It will run way better when you have it turned off.

[@adrianC_]

Just stick to Windows 10 then you dont have all these problems.

[@Britec09]

I thought core isolation was on Windows 10?

[@claudest-gelais8456]

@@Britec09 It is off by default Brian.

[@DevilbyMoonlight]

No difference for me on a Ryzen9 7945HX,

[@billyguthrie3176]

I'm not arguing with your premise that disabling these things will not increase your FPS because we both know it won't. I'm just saying that doesn't mean disabling these features will not improve your computers responsiveness and overall performance. For example if your a user an your on a low end machine and you disable these 2 settings an notice that after doing so your pc is now taking only 30 seconds to do what was previously taking 10 minutes to do that's an improvement. And once you've had that experience no one is going to be able to tell you that disabling those settings make no difference what so ever! This phenomanen makes it hard to steer users in the right direction.

[@blackburneflw]

All I want is safe operating system without spyware and bloatware.

[@TheRealName7]

This option isn't even in my windows11

[@Britec09]

Unsupported Hardware?

[@mojoneko8303]

I was going to check to see if this was on or off while watching the video until I realized I was using my Linux PC... 😂

[@Britec09]

Maybe because that's all your pc is cable of running, Linux

[@BioShocklt]

@@Britec09do you have something against Linux? I find it way better for gaming and other stuff i do👍🏻

[@jet_sausiege]

PUBG won't run if the Core Isolation Protection is on, so I turned it off and PUBG will run, idk some other games have same issues as PUBG too

[@Mustfa4Real]

lol this wrong way to test this feature off and on because i always disable it from the bios which is tpm and trusted computing platform and what i noticed when its on i have 2 to 5ms increased latency of frame times while playing online games so i just disable it for better latency

[@CarlosDeBernardMrAgapi]

always on and more now than ever. some games like the malware game (valorant) need to be on to be use also

[@calholli]

Who is putting the cake on these characters like that ? . lol.. wtf. (3:00)

[@Jules_Diplopia]

Thanks for this, I have just moved to Win 11 and was wondering what this was. I think a lot of "gamers" who might be complaining are often unaware of other things that can and do affect their gaming experience, and latch on to things like this to blame the "Big Bad Microsoft".

[@DimpieDeBruyn]

Hopefully this is now the last on this subject 🤔

[@ChrisGR93_TxS]

i didn't know that Microsoft started supporting again 3rd gen intel platforms. I thought you needed an 8th gen and later 😂

[@francisbacon2401]

A driver prevented it being installed. Device driver of some type prevented. Vague

[@winstonb990]

👍👍

[@CedroCron]

I think the biggest problem is people shooting their mouths off because they don't want to turn the feature off for game play on their outdated hardware but still want to play with the big kids...

[@notjustforhackers4252]

Meanwhile in Linux..... everything runs in user mode and isolated child processes. "Core Isolation", trying to fix the fundamental root problems with Windows... why does 'everything' run as admin? ( yes both statements are a generalisation )

[@n1kobg]

The FPS is not everything. The responsiveness & InputLag tanks, the whole system feels heavy. For single player games that doesnt matter but many people play Online FPS Shooters where you need low latency& system responsiveness.

[@NotEvenDeathCanSaveU]

you should get ghost spectre or linux, problem solved

[@ChrisGR93_TxS]

yeah apparently the slower your pc runs the more protected you're 😂

[@Britec09]

Its people still trying to use 15 year old computers in 2024 and then blame Microsoft for adding Hardware Requirements to Windows 11

[@ChrisGR93_TxS]

@@Britec09 back in 2015 i bought a top tier 5960x cpu (1050€) with 20mb l3 cache. 40 pcie lanes and 4mem channels. Clocked to 4.5 with a good 4x8 b-die kit was beating 10700k that came out 7 years later that had a lot lower mem bandwidth and just 16pcie lanes. In 2019 got a new rampage v edition 10 with 2x 2080tis ftw3 ultra hc (all in a custom loop) quite a lot of money build and that platform Microsoft is calling it old! Its bs. Not saying that all used top tier parts and still perform descent for today's standards but for those who did its a damn shame being categorized the same

[@MSHarvey_Lyricsmith]

Yes, Brian. Running on a third-generation intel processor any virtualisation will seriously impair the performance of Windows on such hardware. However, I don't use my third gen for gaming. I just use Word Processing, DTP, and a little internet surfing. Were I gaming I would run a much more modern powerful processor and more RAM than by current 16GB machine. But then this video isn't really aimed at me, well not yet. However, it may be good to reference in the future.

[@VaracolacidVesci]

I disable this, since it is required to undervolt your cpu which I value far more than this shit ms protection

[@barbioxdogg1]

This guy talks too much! Real business start at 5:31

[@riannair7101]

I not have such option in my windows 11 like you , so is meaningless!

[@peterkaldenberg2812]

Batter turn as much microsoft bullshit of as possjble. It alssys kilo's my PC performance. Also beter turn off atomatic updates.

[@ghostdragon2593]

Don't forget to turn off windows defender or any other antivirus software and disable firewall as well if you want maximum performance 😂