Should You REALLY Buy a New Toyota 4Runner Instead of a Jeep Wrangler?

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[@stevewardlaw]

0:34 “I don’t have any friends” Felt that 🤣 You have lots of friends! You just haven’t met us yet 🥳

[@JahyMoonwalker]

He means interesting female companionship

[@AustinH7]

@@JahyMoonwalker a 2 door Jeep without the rear seats is perfect for... hanging out with your lady. A 4 door without rear seats, now that’s perfect for a one night..... camping session.

[@aarondefoor6753]

The 4runner is a solid choice for longevity. I Would not buy the trd pro. The pro is over rated for the money. I think the wrangler was designed more for a weekend driver, not a daily. Both nice vehicles though. My choice is the toyota.

[@westcoast708]

yea too drive the jeep as a daily you'll probably have too visit the chiropractor more often js ..

[@zTimmyz0244]

So What would you recommend TRD off-road Premuim ?

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

I'd get a TRD pro if you have the money and wanna keep if forever, other trd off road with kdss seems like a better deal

[@aarondefoor6753]

@@tuckerhiggins4336 I have a trd off road premium. I built it the way I wanted. Nothing wrong with the pro if your gonna leave it the way it comes stock. I just knew I was gonna take most of the trd pro specific stuff off

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

@@aarondefoor6753 I heard that if you get kdss you can't lift it as much, is that true?

[@ToyotaSubieDude]

4Runner by far. I work at a dealership that sells mopar vehicles. You don’t know how many brand new keeps we have in service for constant issues. Jeeps are known for always having issues with something, whether that be suspension, engine or transmission 4Runners might be big and outdated, but they are very capable and are lemon for the their longevity. The 4.0 is not an efficient motor paired with the transmission, but it’s reliable

[@marktwain5722]

I bought the 2023 4Runner exactly for that reason. I love the reliability and extreme longevity that may be lost in the new model. For my needs it takes me everywhere I want to go. Hunting and fishing…. But also comfortable on a long road trip. Roomy compared to the competition. Above all: it will run trouble free for hundreds of thousands of miles.

[@mattalexander4699]

Same here. Just bought a 23 off road premium

[@timbrown7980]

Extremely reliable to say the least! A few years back consumer reports rated the 5th gen 4Runner most reliable vehicle any make, any model in North America. So that translates to there is no vehicle more reliable than the 5th gen on the entire continent! 💪🏼💪🏼

[@kenhoward3512]

I've owned my bulletproof Gen-3 (2001) 4Runner for twenty years, now, only recently beginning to require more-expensive maintenance. I still see lots of them, even older than mine, still in great shape.

[@timbrown7980]

@@kenhoward3512 where are you from? There are still a few clean 3rd gens up here in Quebec, unfortunately it’s the tons of road salt they put down in winter that do them in…😒

[@tallll70]

they not entirely without problems even they all Japanese made... what are the chances that i would know one person who had right after warranty replaced 4k steering in his... from observed people's reports it's save to guess the probability ratios are low low

[@timbrown7980]

@@tallll70 no vehicle is perfect as far as problems, but it’s about as close as you can get! 😁

[@tommisera3816]

They are both very capable off road. It really comes down to reliably. The four runner is the best choice for longevity and trouble free driving.

[@westcoast708]

dang rights.

[@wishihadavette2392]

Not when it comes to flexing and stock for stock capability. If you treat the jeep like a normal engine and just keep up with it, it won’t fail you.

[@mushybreakfast7483]

Just ordered a 2022 Willys in Sarge Green! Thanks for the recommendations Tommy!

[@timscobie2036]

Ok so it was good but a couple of things. I have a 2015 JKU. Love it. Bought it used. It came with 41k on it and now has 115k. I put rear brakes on it. That's it. It is as dependable as any other out there. I maintain it so it's great. I am 62 and I bought it because of the safety I feel in it. I live in Canada and we do get snow and it is perfect for that. I also love to drive it from home to Phoenix and hope to do it again this winter. So all that said, I really believe for me it's awesome. My next one will be the hybrid and I hope to order that in the spring. With out all the extra safety crap. If you can't or don't like to drive. Please don't.

[@andyham6094]

First time I’ve heard someone buy a jeep for the safety. I love wranglers but 4Runners are way more safe and jeep wranglers are some of the most unsafe vehicles on the road according to the stats and crash tests. If you mean safety as in the snow only and not getting stuck then I can understand. I feel the same way in my 4runner, when everyone is stranded and going super slow in the snow, my 4runner just keeps going and I’ve never gotten stuck even in the most harshest east coast northeastern winters

[@Rexmorgan687]

Glad you're having a great experience in your Jeep! As a former Toyota-stan, I'd like to say that most Yoda owners don't really brag about reliability around the 100k/5yr mark. When it hits 150k/10yr and all you've replaced are brake pads and fluids, please let me know! You'd def have a keeper for sure!

[@CarnutMM]

Agreed. I’ve had great reliability with mine. And mine is the 3.8

[@fluffiestmallard6484]

After 60k miles our roof leaked and the engine leaked. Got rid of it

[@aaronbudzinski3886]

Must be nice. I have a 16, and I’ve done brakes, ball joints, main seal, rear shocks, gas cap evap sensor, front drive shaft cv, and tie rod…so far. This is my third Jeep, and it’s the worst by far.

[@xVicmacx]

Love the willys wrangler content! Never get tired of it

[@olliechristopher467]

Thank you for the review young man. Glad you are enjoying your jeep.

[@brucesimpson8579]

In this situation the Jeep was the better choice, especially being $20K less than the 4Runner and having the manual transmission. Hopefully the Jeep can last long enough for the owner to save up enough money to get a Toyota.

[@aryamoshrefi417]

Hey Tommy! thanks for the awesome video again! I went and test drove a Willys model yesterday with the hard top. the wind noise was crazy after 50mph or so. is it the same on the soft top that you have?

[@mini2nut67]

Toyota QDR (Quality, Dependability, Reliability) is why this ancient 4Runner platform is still a strong seller for Toyota. These trucks will go easily go 200/300,000k miles miles with proper maintenance. The built in Japan workmanship is just icing on the cake.

[@LaughingPyrate]

Towing is another consideration. We considered a Wrangler when we got our 4Runner, but the Jeep wouldn't be able to tow our travel trailer.

[@ConstructionMastery]

I have 2019 4Runner TRD Off Road and 2017 2 door Wrangler Sahara with a 6 spd manual and love them both. Both are in the top 5 to hold their value. No regrets and thanks for the advice and keeping it honest.

[@Its_Me0000]

Good job Tommy. Always enjoy your videos. You are entertaining and educating. Thank you so much.

[@RunningOtaku]

Bananarama’s Venus was playing on the stereo! Fun fact- that was the first song on the radio of my first car….in the summer of 1986! 😂🤣😂

[@ChimneyMan27]

Found the Boomer

[@stout_tossme7541]

This was a great video, Tommy. Good job my friend. We got a 2020 4 runner in TRD off-road. Paid 36k for it used with 25k miles (last fall). We drove quite a few vehicles and rented vehicles to see if we could live with them for a week. It comes down to what you are doing with the vehicle. We love our 4 runner. We wheel the built ZJ. Lol

[@weekendwarrior8179]

36k? Good deal

[@sachemrock]

Tommy, great to see Blaze! Please include him in more video’s.

[@scottdunn1371]

Had my 4runner trd offroad for 5 years now. With a 3 inch lift it can go on most intermediate offroad trails. I think Jeeps are naturally better for offroading due to better departure angles. But I think the 4runner is better all around-most practical.

[@feosu]

I put nearly 250,000 miles on my 2007 4Runner, only had to do basic maintenance (oil, tires, etc…), and it did everything I asked of it without issue. Replaced it with a Tacoma last year, but I still find myself missing my 4Runner.

[@vwanted2200]

Both have their charm, it’s all personal preference at the end, I have a Willys but also still love a hood 4runner, excited to see if the new model delivers as well as the new tundra !

[@TheShantoUniverse]

Wich one is better for offroad? Does Toyota have three locking differentials, a sway bar disconect option, front Solid axel, a great water- fording capability, a great ground clearance and great approach , break-over and departure angles as the Rubicon?

[@fjb2812]

I like how you guys at TFLnow bring blaze along and let him just run around.

[@Johnnyscarcarereviews]

Fantastic review. Thank you.

[@huynhmichael1989]

Love your 4runner videos and Blaze just makes the video even better.

[@shawnskiba5874]

Had them both. Agree with your opinion. My last 4runner had a manual, my last 2 door wrangler was automatic.

[@michaelgiles7844]

First off I love your Red Wrangler if I were to buy a Jeep mine would look just like yours. In 2018 I was in the market for a new 4door jeep or 4runner. I ended up buying the SR5 4runner (Toyota's base model. When I compared it to Jeep's base model this was the difference. 4Runner had better gas milage, more torque, more horse power, and more towing capacity. The base 4Runner also came with A-track, power windows, power door locks, a modern radio and a solid roof. All that for about $3,000 less than the 4door base Jeep. I desperately wanted a Jeep but, all my friends that currently owned Jeeps told me to steer clear of the Jeep (to many malfunctions: ie. Panhard bar sheers off while 4wheeling with less than 40K over 100k "mucho problemas" ). Great video!

[@Redhead497]

Love my 2D, but I have the V6 and it just got done having one of the heads replaced. Was running super rough and check engine light had come one. They said it was a warped cylinder head. 40,000 miles. Very surprising. But it was all covered under warranty.

[@deadly134]

As a jeep owner you can’t beat their off road capabilities you just can’t.. but if you need something practical carry kids groceries travel it is not the vehicle for you. Wranglers have 0 practicality and are made to be a fun vehicle. They are solid axle front and rear which means strong durable great for off road but rough ride on road. They are much better than the old ones but still rough by comparison to new vehicles

[@stout_tossme7541]

Sums it up right here. 👍

[@krasnaludek298]

Agree; have owned both & it’s Jeep for me overall, but not the most practical family vehicle. I’d go with a Wrangler 4-door if 1-3 kids are part of the picture. I’d actually get a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk before going back to a 4Runner.

[@icare7151]

@@krasnaludek298 Total agree. As Colorado Natives living in Colorado Springs @ 6800 ft above sea level for 55 years, we have owned 4 Toyota 4Runners: generations 2, 3, 4 and the current 5th generation, a 2021 4Runner 4x4 Limited. We miss our 2005, 4th generation 4Runner’s v8 engine’s superior fuel economy, hp, torque, turn radius and appropriate 8000 lb towing capacity. Our current 2021 4Runner’s undersized v6 and its outdated 5 speed’s too tall of gear ratios is always hunting for gears translate into bad fuel economy, reduced to a 5000 lb max tow rating and expect single digit towing fuel economy especially in high altitudes. Therefore, we hope Toyota significantly increases hp, torque, towing capacity mated to Toyota’s new 10 speed automatic for the 6th generation 4Runner going on sale forth quarter 2022 as the 2023 model. If not, the 4Runner will fade away.

[@davidzavala337]

Kids should be fine in a two door Wrangler. Now, is better to have it as a second vehcile, since to me, I don't like carry too much stuff when camping. In my former two door I had a tow hitch racket and there I had my charcoal grill and inside I carry two Samsonite Duffel bags 🎒 with clothing for 3 days and I was all set. I'm an old school dude and not spoiled with luxury. .

[@KensleyInnocent]

That's when the Bronco comes in!

[@KillierElite]

Tommy thanks for the comparison, do you think the 6 gen 4Runner will come with a diesel?

[@FrankBurgos]

Im a Toyota guy and have had all 3 gens of the Tacoma. I've been considergin both the 4runner and Jeep for sometime now and this video was helpful. The TRD PRO just looks so nice and for 2023 the Solar Ocatane is going to look amazing. Its hard to beat the resale and dependability on a Toyota. My only gripe is that I have already owend that engine in the second gen and the transmission can be annoying. Maybe a tune would fix that. Nice review.

[@TheSkinnyMechanic]

Wouldn’t buy ANYTHING right now. If you can, just wait for the market to crash because no one in their right mind should pay what the dealers are asking

[@J.Young808]

I got my 2022 4Runner TRD Off Road Premium for $2234 under MSRP in October 2021.

[@AnthonyHarris-cb9zg]

Amen to that! The prices are ridiculous 😒 I will wait it out until next year sometime to make a move. The bubble will burst and whole alot of people will be kicking themselves in the ass for paying these rip off marked up car stealer-ship pricing...

[@patrickb-man1309]

@@J.Young808 Where did you get it from?

[@Matt-dd3cw]

Not to make this political, but as long as the current Administration in the United States continues policies that have brought historic levels of inflation and energy prices, nothing's going to change in the short-term. This cause-and-effect was very predictable

[@chrisjmiller6]

Nice honest take, well done.

[@ca7889]

Good Video and guess what? four legged friends are the best, especially when off-roading. Funny thing though; this past week I've seen about four or five new tags on forerunners and only three new tags on wranglers-, not one two door -for a little while I thought they stopped selling two doors, But you don't have to explain why you got a two door, 4 wheelers know why and some are jealous. Good work dude.

[@ignaids3769]

my dad’s had two wranglers - a sahara and a rubicon, both 4 doors and now owns a 2022 4runner trail. i have a 21 tacoma trd sport and from our experience the tacoma is more comparable to the wrangler due to the wheel base. the wrangler is the most fun, the 4runner is the most comfortable & easy to live with, and the tacoma’s just a cool truck. love em all!

[@jcollins1305]

I shopped both of these vehicles. The wrangler unlimited, and a 4runner off road. Loved them both, but the prices were a bit out of my budget. Wound up with a used 18 Grand Cherokee, 5k on the odometer. So far so good.

[@fordbw]

I like your dog! I'm a fan of Bernese. Great video as I'm exactly looking on these 2 models. Super useful!

[@LukeEdward]

…AND a 4cyl! You can get the Wrangler with a 4cyl, Tommy.!

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

Soon the 4Runner will be 4-cylinder only.

[@trailrunnah8886]

@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 I have a 5th gen 4Runner, and as an owner I'm 100% fine with that. Look at the new four-cylinder that Chevy putting in the Silverados, it makes about 310 horsepower and 400 plus pound-feet of torque. That's awesome, that's a lot more power than the current 4 liter V6, and would probably get much better mileage. Obviously Toyota is not going to use a Chevy motor in the 4Runner, however I'm sure they could come up with something with similar specs.

[@Welcometofacsistube]

@@trailrunnah8886 na they'll just get another German pos to do it

[@snackz5181]

@@trailrunnah8886 we're about to see TURBO'd 4-cylinders become more popular because of this whole "ecoboost" trend, sure they're great, but the only reason you see any power at all in them is because of the turbo. Turbocharging or supercharging wears all engine components down faster, so while the 4.0V6 in the 4runner isn't efficient, it will run forever. That's why people buy Toyotas. The 3.6 Pentastar V6 they put in Jeeps is bulletproof too. Both motors are naturally aspirated.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@snackz5181 so then do engines with higher compression ratios also not last as long, even if naturally aspirated?

[@ourtube2693]

Yes, the 4Runner

[@theirthereandtheyre2947]

Have a 2wd 4Runner and a Gladiator. 4Runner is comfy for summer road trips. Both are great vehicles.

[@Robert8455]

Good video. Pretty different buyers, price points and use cases. Jeep has a great offering due to the variety of configuration options where has Toyota has the edge on practicality and reliability. I do like the manual trans, windows and ability of removing the doors and top, plus the great turning radius of the 2 door Jeep. I think I would yank out the back seat though and make it a usable storage / haul area. Did you see that custom 2 door Bronco pickup that was at Sema?

[@tuckerhiggins4336]

You can remove the doors and top off of anything if you try hard enough

[@Zanza007]

Goose gear has some great kits to be able to remove those back seats and open them up

[@jerrymandarren]

Went from a 97 Jeep TJ, went to a 21 4Runner. Night and day obviously, but the longevity and realizability was the goal. My jeep was definitely a weekender, even though I make it do everything.

[@korling99]

Cloth top on Jeep equals higher cargo load right, compared to hardtop?

[@naughtysauce4323]

As far as reliability and resale, Toyota is a no brainer.

[@bdd1469]

Lol. Resale? Are you high? There is no mass produced vehicle on the road with greater resale value than a Jeep Wrangler, other than the brand new C8 Corvette or other low production specialty car like the Mustang GT500 Track pack.

[@jhamlin271]

Both have great resale, reliability goes to the 4runner.

[@kevinanderson9461]

I grew up in Cj's and Ford's. I'm a Toyota fan boy now after a F150, Ram 1500, Honda Odysseys, F150, now I'm driving a Rav4. Let's hope I get less grumpy in the Rav4 age in a couple of years.

[@gamerscouncil2262]

I spent months researching the bronco (even reserved one) the Tacoma, the 4 runner and the wrangler. I settled on the 2 door wrangler willys sport with the 2.0T. The quality of the jeep is incredible. Its my favorite vehicle that I’ve ever owned.

[@mrhonda1]

🤣

[@gamerscouncil2262]

@@canalesivany @just me it must be a miserable life to search the internet for positive comments only to laugh at or discourage someone’s passion.

[@aaron5222]

I owned a 2020 tacoma manual and a 2021 gladiator my gladiator is significantly nicer in many many ways my wife even said so today.

[@mtbg4035]

Have a rubicon and love Toyotas as well but the toxicity of online Toyota ppl is pretty crazy. Some in my family have them and every Toyota guy always gives jeep ppl crap about reliability. Always their first insult lol! Have taken my rubicon to Moab 6 times in its first 12k miles. This is my 3rd jeep and I've never had an issue. Of those 6 times in Moab, the jeep community was great and super nice. Actually they are that way anywhere I've been. But, of those 6 times doing stuff like hells revenge and other trails, I maaaybe saw a couple Toyotas out there. Way more jeeps. Maybe the reliability thing is because most of these online Toyota guys never really take their rigs off road? Not sure, just has been my experience. Not saying they are not capable vehicles because they surely are. I just don't see nearly as many of them out as I see toxic Toyota ppl online. Like, the ratio of these Toyota guys talking crap online to showing up on the trail doesn't add up. Still, very much looking forward to the next gen taco and 4runner!!

[@aaron5222]

@@canalesivany Hah. I go through cars so fast won't be my problem in 100k

[@coreybatorski9626]

Great video!

[@CrazyGreek80]

I've heard horror stories about Wranglers way too many to count 4runner all day.

[@dmwil1]

I've had both. Wrangler all the way. But 4 Runners are nice, too.

[@mrhonda1]

4Runner, 100%. I live about 10 minutes away from Chrysler's headquarters so a lot of my neighbors work there. Even though they all drive Chryslers, I get to hear about how crappy they are once the alcohol starts flowing at backyard BBQs. Plus, Jeep (and all of Chrysler's products) have owned the bottom of every reliability list for decades. A friend of mine got stranded with her family on the freeway in her Wrangler. 2 days after getting it back it was spewing coolant from around a headlight. She still loves it though because other Wranglers park by her at the grocery store. So for her, attention is more important than something that actually works. Another neighbor traded in his beloved Jetta for a Wrangler so that he can be seen going to the golf course with the top off. It ended up spending more time in the shop than it did in his driveway. Less than a year later he was back In a Jetta.

[@SanctumOfDreams]

Reminds me of when my buddy bought a Tacoma in January. He would boast all the time about how it would out last my JL wrangler. I wouldn’t hear the end of it. Not until it broke down five months into his ownership. I had done so much off-roading for three years and his Tacoma lasted mere months without an hour of off-road abuse on it. Melted the first three gears together, no load or nothing. To this day I’ve gotten three oil changes on my wrangler, no recalls, no repairs. Sounds to me like everything is different. Every brand has its lemons and it’s shortcomings. And nothing is quite what it seems.

[@matthewwindisch9449]

Can’t wait to see the 6th Gen 4 Runner! Love my 2021 TRD Off Road premium…

[@09blackcobaltss]

The cheapest 4wd 4runner is 40kish so yea Wrangler would prolly be my go too and Toyota doesnt really let you spec something everything most people want is in Packages with stuff you dont want.

[@JahyMoonwalker]

4runners with the TRD pro are really expensive on CarMax (nation wide dealer). A 2022 with 2k miles is listed at $70,998 and a '20 with 20k miles is $63,998 🤯

[@Devourur]

That shit is nothing compared to Toyota Dealers who sells their 2020 trd pro 4R for $78k in Cali lol

[@flight2k5]

Or wranglers in the 70s 😂

[@kgisabeast]

My buddy bought one new in 2018 and just traded it in for more than he bought it for

[@Falasi4]

If I was going for either, I'd be looking to use it off-road and want something that the top and doors comes off which is only available with the jeep. That being said, I'd find something used (jeep) since first thing I'd do is go get it all scratched and dented like they are supposed to be imho. I've seen older 4runners with some roof chopping and door removal so that may be a good way to go also.

[@himboslice_]

the new trd pro color is atrocious lol... so glad I went with army green in 2020

[@williamconrad1087]

Tommy, you were smart to buy a manual while you still can. Stories for posterity.

[@justinkeckhaver8199]

Yep. Better enjoy the rowboats while we can.

[@rottieshepcalibre9156]

The cost and complexity of an automatic transmission = trouble.. give me manual any day

[@Bikerbug2020]

So I first time since the 1980’s took a Jeep out for a test ride, it was a Wrangler 4 door Sport S with the Power Pack Group. Sticker was $41,850, it actually rode very nice and I have changed my opinion on the vehicle, but still think it way over priced. $10,000 less money across the board is probably the right price. (But since that ain’t happening, the Jeep was optioned out pretty well.)

[@jamesc.5734]

Just for fun, sometime you should put a camera on Blaze to get a dog's angle. ;O)

[@tallll70]

ohh yes, that could have it's own YT channel

[@technologic80]

Thanks... after watching some reviews, talking to some people, I just bought my first 4Runner... a 2023 TRD Off Road Premium. LOVING it so far. So glad I didnt get a Wrangler.... everybody I talked to talks about constantly having to work on them.

[@Lilrockerdude13]

Wife and I are actually having this debate right now. I'm up next for the new vehicle and current life-style can take on both. We do have a LARGE extended family so it would be wise to go for the 4 door with any we are looking at. Currently riding a Jeep Renegade and like what she can do already, we have played with Wranglers and 4Runners and loved seeing them in action! Now its more of do we want to haul 2.5 to 5+ hours from beach and flat South Texas to the Hill Country of Texas for trails and some lower level rock climbs, or just overland where the adventure take us?

[@rlaracue]

I think they are both great choices (Disclosure: I own a built up JLU Rubicon) but the 4Runner is on the brink of a model update so I would wait on it. I also think Toyota is not unaware of all the overlanding and rock crawling market opportunity out there and this update could be more aggressive than we expect. A more capable, fuel efficient, powerful and modern 4Runner is coming with the new interior likely patterned after the new Tundra. If that is the case it will be tough to beat for many buyers especially if they evolve the front suspension and add a front locker. With the competition coming from the Wrangler and the Bronco (in terms of off road features) Toyota may step up its game more that it normally does in this update cycle.

[@twincam103]

I wouldn't wait. The reliability will take a hit. The new 4runner will never last 300k+ miles, bet everything I own on it

[@ronaldmadrid8853]

My two door Rubicon turbo rides so smooth and fast, loving it and I can’t wait to take her out on the trail.

[@pattda1]

Nice Wrangler Tommy. Simple, fun and should last a long time.

[@Jojo-ni2cg]

good video-I went with the 2023 40th white 4runner for MSRP- I wanted a grey willys 4 door, but the price was approximately 7500.dollars more equal to the 4runner.

[@jamesstephen5694]

I Love your dog, may I ask what kind is he? .. I have two Boxer Dogs, Koda and Harley. I have the 4Runner, TRD OffRoad, Love it.

[@jasonyoung7635]

we all wish your friend comes on shows more often!

[@bellasky83]

I personally am glad that the Wrangler still offers a vehicle that doesn’t shove all the safety and comfort stuff down your throat! I don’t want or need parking sensors, blind spot monitoring, auto braking etc... What a wonderful, simple, capable vehicle with so many options.

[@joeyscleaninglady2877]

how do the safety features work with a manual tranny? would think auto braking would stall the vehicle?

[@gilldaking]

I feel bad for him mentioning he doesn't have any friends and every time I'll be your friend man we can be homies

[@timyestim]

Sold my 05 Rubicon with the 6spd manual and bought a 07 4Runner... the 4Runner is so much better in every way other than the most extreme off road scenarios as the Jeep was on 35s and the 4Runner is on 33s

[@icare7151]

As Colorado Natives living in Colorado Springs @ 6800 ft above sea level for 55 years, we have owned 4 Toyota 4Runners: generations 2, 3, 4 and the current 5th generation, a 2021 4Runner 4x4 Limited. We miss our 2005, 4th generation 4Runner’s v8 engine’s superior fuel economy, hp, torque, turn radius and appropriate 8000 lb towing capacity. Our current 2021 4Runner’s undersized v6 and its outdated 5 speed’s too tall of gear ratios is always hunting for gears translate into bad fuel economy, reduced to a 5000 lb max tow rating and expect single digit towing fuel economy especially in high altitudes. Therefore, we hope Toyota significantly increases hp, torque, towing capacity mated to Toyota’s new 10 speed automatic for the 6th generation 4Runner going on sale forth quarter 2022 as the 2023 model. If not, the 4Runner will fade away.

[@Walkeranz]

Which gen was your favorite?

[@denttech2515]

Actually, 4th Gen v8 has a 7000 to 7300 towing capacity. They don't have that much more power (52 more lf-ft), but the same hp. They are several hundred pounds lighter (quite a bit smaller) and just seem to be more powered than they are. Not to mention, the 4.7 has a timing belt. Overall great engine though

[@icare7151]

@@denttech2515 The v8 with two more cylinders makes a huge difference in high altitudes.

[@gazelom]

If you want it to be comfortable and last, then yes. Buy the 4Runner over the Wrangler, Everytime.

[@iq6840]

Had both. The Toyota is very comfortable. I'm on my second 4runner. I went 4runner wrangler 4runner. Its the superior vehicle and in my eyes the 4runner is better in snow. I'm not an office roader. My sr5 premium rides so nice and it's a much roomier space in the drivers seat. Its just a better vehicle for a more sophisticated gentleman.

[@severusalexander8567]

I have a 2018 jeep JKS and still no problem with it. My sister s jeep is now 10 years old and no major problem with it. From my experience it is very reliable and hold its value very well

[@ss-qg1qs]

I think its worthwhile to note the difference in center console and passenger compartment storage space.

[@andypacmanperez]

"Ive talked to Jeep owners with 150+ thousand miles" 😂😂😂 when i was a service manager at toyota i regularly saw 4 runners with over half a million miles on the odometer. The highest i ever saw was a 2nd gen just under a million. Like 956,000 i love both rigs for different reasons but i chuckled when i heard that. No engine is bulletproof but that 4.0 is def one of the best to ever do it

[@BrandonSimmons-do6jq]

I own a '21 SR5 with an ICON lift/wheels and Toyo ATs. I think its perfect for off-roading

[@Brian-xi3kz]

I wish you guys would do a 4runner vs grand cherokee test. Grand cherokees used to be decent off roaders, idk about now but would be interesting to watch.

[@schmoab]

I rented a 4 Runner last week. It’s a very large vehicle even compared to the Cherokee. The engine is impressive. Gas mileage is bad but it has a decent range with the bigger tank. Interior feels dated. Apple CarPlay is nice to have though.

[@jcollins1305]

Two reasons I didn’t go 4runner. The infotainment is terrible and the gas mileage was worse!

[@frasiec]

Kinda like asking to choose between a dune buggy and a station wagon. Not really but one is a lot more fun, one is more practical

[@feelthemachine8679]

As a jeep enthusiasts, there is no comparison to toyotas reliability. The 4runner is a 300,000 mile platform, the JL may be 180,000.... even then the 3.6 (the most reliable jeep choice) has plenty of headaches even in the new models

[@russellpeterson1534]

I would like to see comparisons of your Bronco and 4Runner.

[@buymywings]

I didn’t hear a word you said. I was transfixed on that beautiful berner!

[@shkotayd9749]

Given I like to do moderate to serious off-road a lot, and drive a lot on road for work, the jeep has been a perfect fit for what I like and need. BUT you have to have a good budget. They arent kidding when they say JEEP stands for Just Empty Every Pocket. But, with a little work, even base models can do things the Yota simply cannot. But, if you drive on road a lot more, and like moderate off road on occasion, a Yota would fit more, and be a LOT more cost effective, even with a loaded model, compared to a base JLR. My 2019 JLUR is purpose built for moderate to heavy off-road, but is still quite doable for lots of on-road. But the gas tag is heavy. My jeep has a serious drinking problem lol xD And, she needed several after market parts to finally stop death wobbles in full. So, both vehicles are quite good. But hey have fairly different pros and cons to each. Depends on what you are hoping to do with them, I suppose. I wont rag one over the other.

[@justinlefevre542]

Been there, done that. Wrangler had character and some "fun" traits but i never used it for what it was intended for so it got sold. Picked up the 4runner TRD Offroad and have been satisfied. Doesn't have the character as the Wranger but way more well rounded than the wrangler and a significantly better on road.

[@jimbob2324]

4Runner all day…..bought a new 2013 SR5 to use as my patrol vehicle…..drove that vehicle hard….it took all the abuse I put it through and not once did it ever fail me….all I did was routine maintenance. After seven years and 162k miles I sold it for 20k. Loved my 4Runner so much we bought my wife a new TRD Off Road version In 2017. I purchased a 2019 Stinger GT for my current patrol car (which I have been impressed by) but will be going back to a 4Runner next year. Hard to beat a Toyota 4Runner’s reliability.

[@graemelliott3942]

I’ve a 2013 base Wrangler V6 auto with 120K miles. Runs great! 17mpg average. It’s been pretty reliable. One coil went out once. Thermostat went out and blend door actuator went out. I use 87 octane. All the new 4cyl turbos on all make and models use 91 or higher = more money!. My choice would be another Jeep with a V6 Auto Willys Sport S.

[@markmaynard8105]

I have a 1996 Toyota T-100 with the 3.4 cylinder and replaced a power pack at 312,000 miles, toyota parts are exceptionally good and very reliable, once you move over to Toyota you never look back.....

[@kore996]

Thank you for including the dog in the video, my 2 year old was absolutely loving it 😂

[@seanmiller140]

I’m one of the few that is lucky enough to own both. I wish my Jeep had the quality of my Toyota, (which I absolutely love) but the Jeep is by far the most fun vehicle I’ve EVER owned.

[@kgisabeast]

I always heard the wrangler was much more reliable than pretty much every other modern Jeep model.

[@seanmiller140]

@@kgisabeast I’ve heard the same, and I believe it.

[@cookiebaker6133]

Yeah, I was having the same debate before I got my 2022 wrangler sport s. I agree that the 3.6 pentstar is the way to go. It is also in the market for such a long period of time and it does provide more power than the 4.0 on 4runner provides, also the safety packages are better on jeep wrangler than the ones on 4runner imo.

[@kmilbabiel3340]

You say that because you don't know about mechanics, yes it might give you more power but the 3.6 pantestar is not better than the 4.0 toyota, starting the wrangler has electrical problems, the engine and the oil cooler must be changed before 180,000 miles or your engine will overheat, not to mention its problems with the valves and its lifters

[@AntilleanConfederation]

Forgot to mention the superior 4Runner is the TRD OR with KDSS

[@picodoc8001]

I have had three Jeeps (two Sports and a Rubicon) and have owned one continuously since 1996. I bought a 4Runner as an additional vehicle. Sold that after a year and went to a Grand Cherokee. 4Runners are overrated; but to each their own.

[@Wrangzilla]

I bought my first TJ, a 97 model year, in 1996. That was 5 Jeeps ago and man, I wish I still had that one….

[@davidtrevino5211]

Why do you think they're overrated ? Just wondering, I've never driven one yet..

[@GettingthruLife]

The worst time in my memorable 50 years to shop for anything but the 70's had some challenges too. Almost pointless to try and buy a vehicle, new or used 2021-2022. Not available, marked up, limited supply and it's not going to get better for at least 3 more years. Glad a was able to buy a great new vehicle in 2019 with fairly decent v6 twin-turbo gas mileage and get the old "wheel and deal" discount too.

[@edkruzel]

My wife was fortunate enough to buy her 2020 gladiator Rubicon outright. 2yrs later she found a 2022 4runner trd pro for msrp and they were offering her $5K more than she originally paid for the jeep. We do allot of highway so it was a no-brainer. She basically just bought a new 4runner for $3500 after her trade.

[@whafrog]

I'm hoping 2023 4Runner will include the new power trains in the Tacoma or Tundra, then I'll make the leap...but if I had a 2 car garage, the Willys manual looks like a hugely fun weekend option!

[@thefoodcan]

The powertrain is proven to be reliable over 300k miles. Why would you want to get rid of that. The reliable is why you buy one.

[@aaron5222]

Jeep with better shocks is the key. Just upgrading to rubicon for my gladiator made a decent enough difference

[@ChristopherHelgerson]

I had a 1989 4Runner SR5 with the 5 speed manual, that was why I bought it.

[@damnjustassignmeone]

Love the 2 door wrangler.

[@David-zg7wv]

Well if you plan on keeping the truck and reliability means anything to you go with the Toyota and it holds its own offroad