The Last Flight of Rafiqui: Tragic Dogfights Over India in the 1965 War

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On 06 September 1965, Pakistan decided to launch aerial attacks on several Indian air bases. The plan was ambitious but various difficulties limited the number of available aircraft. Sarghoda airbase was able to launch only six F-86 Sabres divided in two groups against two different Indian bases. The first group, led by the famous M.M. Alam encountered four Indian Hunters on their way to the target.
The second group led by Sarfaraz Rafiqui, the double Vampire killer from the first aerial batlle of the war reached the destination, but couldn't find the enemy airfield due to low light conditions. They however found two Indian Hunters in the air.
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[@showtime112]

No, I still didn't figure out how to change the Sabre pilot's helmet 😁

[@Chilly_Billy]

My friend, with the quality of production you create, that is no issue at all.

[@Riccardo_Silva]

I DO subscribe to Chilly_Billy statement, here: keep up the outstanding work and damn the helmets! As soon i start my PC for a relaxing evening, your vids are always my first choice!

[@bigblue6917]

If that's the only problem you have then I would not worry about it. We all came for the re-enactment of the air battles and they were great.

[@showtime112]

@@bigblue6917 I like to make these little disclaimers so when someone criticized them, I can point and say 'pay attention, please' 😁 I appreciate the support!

[@showtime112]

@@Chilly_Billy I'm happy to hear you think so, thank you!

[@danielleica3990]

Very intense air war between India and Pakistan in both wars 1965 abd 1971 .maximum respect for pilots from both sizes who were forced to fight in 1965 without radar and air to air missiles only with guns

[@showtime112]

Thank you for commenting!

[@pushpenderrana6190]

@@danielleica3990 thanks to nehru and his defense Minister vk krishna menon who thought that spending on defense equipment and modernization were a waste of money and army was to be disbanded

[@sarinr8226]

PAF did have significant number of sidewinder equipped sabers , and starfighters

[@KMon1111IND]

@@pushpenderrana6190 Thank Nehru for establishing DRDO as well, oh sorry I forgot it was established in 2014. I will suggest you to stop getting your information from WhatsApp university.

[@SMRT_NR]

Nim ka pata kadua hai,,, Nehru ek no ka bhagoda dekh drohi hai ❤❤

[@fidem15893]

The Hunter with 4 30mm guns was an apex predator before the air to air missile era.

[@janwitts2688]

@fidem15893 When they worked.. very unreliable until fixed a few times..

[@showtime112]

It was a pretty good aircraft when it came out.

[@pushpenderrana6190]

@@fidem15893 pakistan already had air to air missiles on their f86 fighters

[@rawdyrider]

Paf kicked the Hunters ass in with the venerable F86 Sabre

[@MiG-31893]

@@rawdyrider Well that can be attributed to skill.

[@abdulmismail]

Air Commodore Muhammad Mahmood Alam was actually Bengali, born in Calcutta but whose family relocated to the East (Bengal) during partition but was one of the very few Bengalis who chose to emigrate to (West) Pakistan after 1971 - when most East Bengali officers and soldiers imprisoned in West Pakistani were sent home, back to now Bangladesh in 1973.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for the info!

[@T3RMINATORX]

OK , but he was a Pakistani then

[@ashketchump4009]

@@T3RMINATORXdo you understand the difference between ethnicity and nationality? Maybe do a simple Google search before making foolish comments.

[@muhammadsohail632]

MM Alam was bihari instead of Bangali

[@souravkumarpandey6691]

He was born in patna

[@SI-Hobbs]

Thank you for giving this history on the dogfights that I had no idea about. It's interesting to learn about the Indian and Pakistani wars.

[@pablopeter3564]

I share the same opinion.

[@showtime112]

I appreciate your feedback! These wars aren't known well enough outside of the subcontinent.

[@pablopeter3564]

CONGRATULATIONS....ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO, as usual. Paying tribute to the Pilots of both sides. Greetings from Mexico City.

[@showtime112]

Greetings to you Pablo! Nice to hear from you.

[@bharaniravuri1316]

Why to Paak pilots. Their country is the OFFENDER and WAR mongers, with FANATISM.

[@MikoyanGurevichMiG21]

It was this that turned the IAF to using me 6 years later. Guaranteed I was still flying sorties but lack of time for pilots to get used to me saw me having less action in 1965, while I was having fun in Vietnam

[@AG12990]

You are my all time favourite.

[@indraadi]

The two pilots of IAF Vinod Neb and Devnath Rathore were awarded Veer Chakra(Medal of valour) after the war.Flt Lt.Vinod Neb went on to score one more aerial kill in the 1971 war with Pakistan and was awarded VC with bar.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for adding info!

[@ghafoorhussain9605]

Like awarded to Abhinandn ?

[@nassermj7671]

Ace Abhi was walking crooked across the border. What did they do to him? Bechara. Is he ok now? Sure hope so.

[@nassermj7671]

GENERAL CHUCK YEAGER: 1971 'The Pakistanis whipped their [Indians’] a**es in the sky, but it was the other way around in the ground war. The air war lasted two weeks and the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing thirty-four airplanes of their own. I’m certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below.'

[@swapnaneeldas3227]

@@ghafoorhussain9605 abhinandan lives happily in India,is your country still begging?😂

[@pablonieto9693]

Another very interesting video. Thank you Showtime.

[@showtime112]

I appreciate your positive comment!

[@branka4226]

Another great video, thanks 😊

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much!

[@AB-uw3os]

It was Flt. Lt. Neb's very first combat mission. There is a very interesting interview of the now retired pilot on KZbin.

[@showtime112]

I found information that he had never actually fired his guns before, not even in training.

[@AB-uw3os]

@showtime112 possible. In his own words, out of sheer excitement, he kept the trigger pressed till the ammunition was exhausted. Nevertheless, a very skilled and brave pilot, as his service record shows.

[@AB-uw3os]

@showtime112 can you make a video on the engagement between Sabres and Hunters over Kalaikunda in 71?

[@alejandrocasalegno1657]

The PAF did try "Operation Moked" before "Operation moked"......But with so few planes......

[@slimkhalifadogg]

They would try their hand at preemptive strikes again in '71 - Operation Chengiz Khan, that too failing to achieve the expected results. There are (2?) videos on this channel regarding that.

[@showtime112]

It was a poor man's version :)

[@Ferociousplayz_11]

@@slimkhalifadogg The Op Chengiz Khan was only intended to be disruptive in nature and soften up the IAF for the actual Pak Army ground invasion which would neutralise their bases.

[@indraadi]

India is not Egypt and Pakistan is not Israel,so no Moked😊

[@geoffreypiltz271]

So much depends on chance. Who spots who first, who has the height advantage, etc.

[@showtime112]

True, a lot is about skill but there's a great degree of luck as well.

[@memeconsumer773]

@@showtime112 I think tom clancy also said something about instinct, while refereing to Pakistani pilots in every man a tiger

[@eduardodeandres3864]

Gracias por el vídeo. Me encanta el Sabre. Gracias de nuevo

[@showtime112]

Thank you for appreciating the content!

[@shahzadaslam384]

that's was very intense battle i read this story many times but this is how it happen good job and RIP our brave Pakistani pilots

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much for your positive feedback!

[@hrishikeshbasumatary4725]

And i thought Hindus were cowards and couldn't fight back

[@indraadi]

I was waiting for this video, thanks for sharing 🙏

[@showtime112]

Thank you for the comment (and patience)!

[@Cuccos19]

When about one and a half decade ago I worked for Cunard on board of the MV Queen Victoria cruise ship. The homeport was Southampton back those times. Very close to the "Ocean Terminal" or "Oceanic Terminal" there is the Solent Sky Aviation Museum. I saw a Folland Gnat there. Man! That aircraft is tiny! I'm 180cm tall and almost could look over the canopy top! Very funky fighter, a "pocket fighter". Also there is the only remaining Saunders Roe SR.A/1 "flying boat jet fighter" (3 were built, 2 crashed, 1 is at Solent Sky). That's a huge beast! Also a huge Short Sandringham flying boat (civilian version of the Sunderland) and many other beauties! If someone visits Southampton and love aircrafts, the Solent Sky is a must on the bucket list! I was there at least 3-4 times. Oh, and as I was the only visitor one time, the guy in the museum showed me around INSIDE the big flying boat! The cockpit, the passanger accomodations, the luggage area, the onboard "kitchen", etc. More than exciting, I can tell you that. I wish I could go back in time and take a full Caribbean trip on board of the classic flying boat! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solent_Sky

[@showtime112]

Thank you for sharing your memories!

[@MrFlintlock7]

These videos just keep getting better!

[@showtime112]

I appreciate this very supportive comment!

[@fernandosantos05]

Very nice vídeo! Thank you 👍🏻

[@showtime112]

Thank you for appreciating it!

[@TheLincolnshireFlyer]

Great video, thank you 😊

[@showtime112]

Thank you for appreciating the content!

[@hayer70]

This battle took place above my ancestral village, often spoken about. The villagers were given plans to dug bunkers and ordered to remain in the bunkers when threat like this appeared……..

[@chups1447]

Great video, thanks 👍

[@showtime112]

Thanks Chups!

[@VC27]

Than you for this video. Someday, when I am in Croatia or you are in India, we will spend some time sharing notes. I have researched this dogfight for many years now and it is very close to my heart due to entirely personal reasons. I have tried to establish communication with the family of Rafiqui Sahab and have failed. I would rather not comment here, some senior PAF pilots know what I am talking about.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for this personalized comment! I only flew over India but hopefully, I'll make a stop there someday :)

[@DonzaiNoHana]

His family is based in Bangladesh or Pakistan? He was a Bengali from Rajshahi

[@DonzaiNoHana]

I know what you are talking about. His body lies interned at Halwara. Pakistani did not claim it or what like it is in the habit of disowning its own personnel ?

[@VC27]

@@DonzaiNoHana - That is not the truth. His family members had visited Halwara but the location of his grave couldn't be established. That is another story.

[@DonzaiNoHana]

@@VC27 Ok may like to disclose if it is not about land grant of 77 acres

[@slimkhalifadogg]

Do you plan on doing IAF/PAF bomber operations, since War Thunder was both Canberra models?

[@showtime112]

Yes, there will probably be a video or two focusing on Canberra/B-57 operations.

[@kartiktiriya2265]

IN 1965 INDIAN PLANES DIDN'T HAD ELECTRONICS LIKE RADAR AND WARNING SYSTEMS, BUT AT THE END IAF MANAGED 10000 + SHORTIES TO PAF 4000 SHORTIES. INDIA HAD DISADVANTAGE BUT GOOD TACTICS LED THEM TO FINAL VICTORY. OFFCOURSE NEVER FORGET SOVIET UNION SEA BLOCKED BY SUBS.GREAT VIDEOS NEVERTHELESS 😊

[@burningphoneix]

So? F-86 Sabres didn't have Radars or Warning Systems either?

[@rafaqatwazir9267]

Indians have good tactics .. glad to know that😂😂

[@memeconsumer773]

Yeah, not like they had outnumbered Pakistan by 3 to 1 yet still lost 75 to their 20

[@noplanb1]

Ultimate G he was! Sqr. Ldr. Rafique's was the pilot who opened the account for IAF kills on 1st Sep over Chamb, the loss of 4 vampires (2 by Flt. Lt Imtiaz Bhatti) was so devastating that the indians has to decommisionise 80 of thier vampires along with 80 (approx) ouragons! He knew there was no way out but he still fought a war on 3 against 9. He could have made it back after his guns jammed but he didn't, a true role model for the youth!

[@PappaBear_yt]

Thank you for another great video! 👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻🍻🍻🙋🏼‍♂️

[@showtime112]

Thank you for sticking around!

[@cannonfodder4376]

No plan survives contact with reality. That plan had no chance of succeeding with the limits they were up against. A good fight from both sides though.

[@showtime112]

One of the wisest phrases anyone has ever thought of :)

[@anselmdanker9519]

Thank you for the detailed analysis. I was always curious about Pakistani claims .

[@showtime112]

Thank you for the positive feedback!

[@ratagris21]

Excellent presentation about this little known aerial conflict in the West. Thanks for the research and detailed as possible historical recreation of aviation history. Showtime 112 a pinnacle of presentation and excellent 👌. ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇸🏁🇮🇱🌻🏵️🌸💮🏴‍☠️🏹

[@showtime112]

I'll have to stop reading your comments otherwise they might go into my head 🤣 But for now, thank you once again!

[@universalsoldier2011]

Both the Hunters were jumped by the Sabres, as the first thing which announced the arrival of the Sabres was the clattering of bullets in Pingale’s Hunter by Rafiqui’s Sabre. Pingale ejected at 100 ft. and landed on the periphery of Halwara airfield. Gandhi’s aircraft was simultaneously hit by the second Sabre flown by No. 3 (which was Flight Lieutenant Yunus). This is substantiated by the fact that both wreckages were in close proximity and both Indian pilots were also recovered in close proximity. Gandhi ejected promptly and landed in the outskirts of Halwara Airfield. The Halwara ATC yelled at Northern CAP about the Sabres shooting down the Southern CAP. Evidence suggests that at this stage of the battle, Squadron Leader Sarfraz Rafiqui had ordered his formation to abort their mission and exit at deck level. Even an average Fighter Leader, according to most war veterans I have spoken to, would have wanted to immediately get out from the beehive over an enemy airfield. There is a 99% chance, that an ace fighter leader like Sarfraz Rafiqui would have ordered a fast exit. However, the Sabres were exiting westwards, their silhouettes were prominent in the setting sun, as compared to the Hunters which were coming from the east where darkness had taken over. This explained the predicament of Rafiqui who was not able to locate the Hunter settling behind him and was unable to take any evasive action. He was shot down by Rathore. Neb was also dead set on Yunus Sabre. Yunus upon noticing the flashes in his rear view mirror pulled upwards as he also was unable to locate a Hunter on his six. This enabled Neb to catch up fast and take a clean shot at him. This marked the end of the dogfight. These two Hunter pilots confirmed that during this brief one minute battle there were only 2 F-86s and not three. The third Sabre was supposed to provide cover to both the Sabres at front, however it extricated itself out of the battle leaving both Sabres defenseless. Rest of the fictitious story by the sole survivor remains a sad reflection upon the pilot making up the delusional fable, no less upon John Fricker and especially the well reputed sponsors and authors of PAF Story 1988, without any professional validation or remorse.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for a very elaborate comment!

[@DonzaiNoHana]

The 3 bogies Of Yunus, Rafiqui and Cecil were prepared for 2 Hunters (Gandhi & Pinghale) but 2 other Hunters (Neb & Rathore) came out of syllabus.

[@qazi-g1b]

bro you think your govt.'s fairy tale is right while it maybe just a load of BS pakistanis think their side of the story is true while it may also be BS you are countering what you think is propaganda with your propaganda there aint no neutralization happening there and if you think you did something there that is highly unlikely. you actually just are giving final judgements talking like a bloody eyewitness of the dogfight while not even ever having seen one irl.

[@malithaw]

Respect for covering air battles of the the indo pakistani!

[@showtime112]

Thank you for the feedback!

[@Biswajitsarkar20022]

Make a video 1965 and 1971 indian gnat fighter vs Pakistani f-104 and saber

[@showtime112]

I would love to but sadly, Gnat isn't available in any of the sims I use. Some day, hopefully.

[@thegreyhound1073]

Did Pakistan have American or Canadian Sabers. Just wondering what models they used.

[@dominiqueroudier9401]

I think a mix of them F86E and F aka sabre5 and 6

[@ZahidMahmood-c2v]

In 65 They Had North American F-86F Version With GE J-47 Engines In 71 They Had Canadair CL-13 Sabres With Canadian Orenda Engines

[@thegreyhound1073]

@@ZahidMahmood-c2v Thanks

[@showtime112]

In 1965 they were American F-86F versions. Between the 1965 and 1971 war, they also purchased some ex-German, Canadian built ones which they called F-86E.

[@psk2266]

Western , so called Democracies helping the Islamic Military Dictatorship, ie Pakistan.. Indians defeated both in all wars.😅

[@strazed1]

indian and hoping there's no conflict in the comment section lol. i respect both sides even today, hope stuff like this doesn't occur again

[@MiG-31893]

This was great! Do you think you could to the battles of the Taiwan straight? it involved Taiwans F-86Fs against superior Chinese MiG-17s, but they got the better of them and won the battles 30-2

[@showtime112]

Thanks! I should be able to reenact these battles in the future. Not just yet, I'm missing some assets. And I probably need more detailed sources too.

[@MiG-31893]

@@showtime112 Thank you!

[@abhibengali160]

Thank you Bharatiya Bayusena (IAF) for your service.

[@slimkhalifadogg]

Sqn Ldr Rafiqui would be posthumously awarded the Hilal-e-Jurrat at the end of this conflict. His body remains at Halwara.

[@showtime112]

Thanks for sharing info!

[@Karm.K]

Hilale Pakistan is a hilarious name for a medal ngl

[@hayer70]

@@Karm.Kdamn you! I can stop laughing now

[@noplanb1]

@@Karm.K Hilal (Cresent Moon) Pakistan (Pakistan) - what's hilarious in it?

[@Karm.K]

@@noplanb1 Ab aapko Hilaane kaa matlab bhi samjhana padega lol?

[@jaideepchatterjee8274]

Long live Indian air force ❤

[@ZahidMahmood-c2v]

Battle For Pakistan Clearly Mentions A Fellow Called F/O Siraj Who Would Have Been The No 4 For The Mission But Had To Abort Due Generator Failure Who Knows What The Results Would Have Been Had All 4 Sabres Been Available

[@showtime112]

Or if the base commander's suggestion to combine both groups against a single airbase was accepted....

[@सामान्यजन123]

Had the aunt had moustaches, we might have called her Uncle. Simple!

[@umarhashim1111]

The original PAF plan, set out several months before, to pre-emptively strike the IAF bases and destroy their aircraft on ground could have been disastrous for India had it been implemented. I think PAF didnt put it in action as that would have resulted in a very long and severe war which either side was not ready for. Remember two years later, something similar was done by Israel to the Arab neighbours and its results were a huge success. But for that, it had unlimited support from the US.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for adding information. It seems like both sides were cautious about this conflict, trying not to trigger a total war.

[@memeconsumer773]

Pakistan wanted, and prepared for a short and isolated war, what it did not expect was to india to do otherwise and open a new front in lahore

[@dominiqueroudier9401]

Sorry for delay. Was with my son. Will watch it this evening, this unknow war for me. Even i don t know exactly what s happen nowadays between F16, JF17 vs mig21 Bison😮

[@showtime112]

That's perfectly alright. As for that MiG-21 vs F-16, there will probably never be an accord as to what happened :)

[@dominiqueroudier9401]

@showtime112 have just watch on TV now. It.s an air combat like in Korea !!! Dogfight and Guns. Later, there is some confrontation between mirage 3P or 5 vs mig21 ???

[@showtime112]

@@dominiqueroudier9401 Except that this took place on low level. As for Mirage III vs MiG-21, there might have been a clash or two in 1971 but I'd have to check. Both of these aircraft did score some victories though.

[@BillPurkayastha]

Could you possibly do a video of the first instance of a Pakistani Air Force plane shooting down an Indian one, that is, the time two PAF F-86s shot down an IAF B(1)-58 Canberra photo reconnaissance spy plane over Pakistan?

[@showtime112]

It is technically possible. I'll research and maybe put it on the list.

[@BillPurkayastha]

The date was 10/4/1959 over Rawalpindi if that helps, ​@@showtime112 Both Indian aircrew ejected, were captured, and repatriated.

[@abhishekgiri1201]

Pakistan has always over stated its claims like MM ALam where he claimed to shoot down 5 jets in 30 Secs !! This is what they do for narrative building!! At the close of the war Indian Airforce had achieved total air superiority and pakistani air force was just flying air defence patrol ! Especially after the bombing of Peshwar with canberras where pakistan had kept its fighters out of the reach of the IAF!! Have to give credit to IAF wherein the Paf were fighting with the latest sabers and F104s but the Gnats and Hunters destroyed the myth of them being indestructible in this war!! Good video will link and IAFs Documentary on the air war of 1965 in the comments.

[@Gyaaneshwar8508]

Yeah in that case Abhinandan's claim was also overstatement

[@slimkhalifadogg]

Sabres were hardly the "latest" in 1965, as for the F-104, the IAF also had MiG-21s in 1965, why they didn't fly in combat is not something you'd like to admit tho

[@attari56]

could say the same for abhinandans claim of shooting an f16 down lol

[@yamarck101]

​@@attari56there's evidence for the shootdown of f 16

[@JR-ut2ne]

I mean to be fair both sides overclaimed their air to air kills.

[@andywells397]

Good vid

[@showtime112]

I'm glad you liked it, thank you!

[@RogerSingh7]

Halwara AFB is 26kms from my home in India

[@samnigam3451]

After we lost Rawley in fatal steep dive Ghandis Hunter was shot down but he ejected safely. Later Rathore n Naib became Aces like Denzil Keelor n other IAF Aces shooting down PAF Ace Rafiqui n his wingman Yunus who got shot down and killed. Air combat dogfightd are always intense n deadly during wartime.

[@showtime112]

Especially when you only have guns, it's a lot more personal I guess.

[@hrishikeshbasumatary4725]

​@@showtime112the Pakistan Air force was using the most latest American jets... When India requested US for jets - US told India , you guys are not capable enough to fly jets ......... So now India was using less capable jets from UK and soviet union and destroying US jets.

[@Mmjk14751]

​​@@hrishikeshbasumatary4725latest lmao 😹 the sabre was already obsolete by the mid 60s

[@byronbailey9229]

Low level money on the Hunter. High level money on the Sabre. I flew most advanced Avon Sabre. Had a flight in a Hunter. Result more about luck and pilot skill.

[@showtime112]

Thank you for sharing! In such battles, a lot depends on chance, that's true.

[@AadityaPrabhu]

@showtime112 please just upload 2-3 videos with indian perspective

[@AadityaPrabhu]

@showtime 112 i am just asking u to post a few more videos with indian perspective

[@showtime112]

My goal is to post videos with the neutral observer perspective, not one or the other side.

[@AadityaPrabhu]

@@showtime112 ok then i am asking you to post about a dogfight called the battle of boyra with indian perspective

[@adamt4051]

Cecil claimed Indian ambush when they were heading back to base after aborting mission due to Dark

[@dr.rajendersinghchaudhri7616]

Sometimes Sabres snd other times its Patton.Big American game all with due approval and cover up.

[@branka1980]

❤

[@showtime112]

Hvala!

[@naherf385]

This was a tragedy for the Pakistan Air Force. These two pilots were legendary professionals who got caught in a melee. The legendary leader Sarfraz Rafiqui despite the jamming of guns refused to leave the combat and lost his life in this process. The day they lost their lives was a day of mourning for PAF. However, the sun of 7th September 1965 rose with the historical combat of M.M.Alam who shot down five Hunter jets in one combat thus uplifting the sobering environment among PAF aviators.

[@hrishikeshbasumatary4725]

Yeah 5 fighter jets in 30 seconds....😂😂😂😂 What was he doing when Pakistan lost 1971 war .... scared to fight in 1971 war

[@naherf385]

@@hrishikeshbasumatary4725 Well, if you read the account of this battle, you will learn that he shot down Indian jets because they started turning in the same direction thus presenting themselves in the cross-hair of Alam's jet. Had they broken out in an attempt to sandwich Alam's flight, the result of the combat would not be that devastating for the IAF.

[@hrishikeshbasumatary4725]

@@naherf385 A soldier's primary duty is to protect his country... If pakistan armed forces really performed that well in 1971 war why did they lose the war ??? DON'T FIGHT A WAR YOU CANT WIN.................. PAKISTAN SUPERIORITY COMPLEX cost them half of pakistan in 1971 war , that is a terrible price to pay Note : you should never underestimate your enemy

[@naherf385]

@@hrishikeshbasumatary4725 Pakistan lost the war not because of the bravery of the Indian Army that entered East Pakistan with 50:1 superiority against 34,000 Pak Army soldiers spread across thousands of square miles in the country. Secondly, it was the corrupt leadership of the Pakistan Army (Yahyah Khan, Niazi, etc.) who made an evil decision to attack their own people who were demanding their just rights. When the Pakistan Army was bogged down in vast swathes of East Pakistan, General Niazi surrendered. This surrender was even unexpected by the Indian military leadership. Read the books of your military historian and listen to the interview of Field Martial Manekshaw who declared the Pakistan Army a gallant army. Had it not been for the corrupt leadership of the Pakistan Army, India would have suffered heavy losses and perhaps this war ended with massive casualties on both sides. Pakistan Army mid-level leadership and soldiers were ready to fight till their last breath.

[@naherf385]

​@@hrishikeshbasumatary4725 Your comments are based on the history taught to you. Pakistan lost this war because of the extremely criminal attitude of the Pakistan Army leadership, which was corrupt to the core and highly incompetent. I am referring to Yahya Khan, Tikka Khan, Niazi, and others. These individuals committed unthinkable crimes against their own nation. Nobody in West Pakistan wanted war with India, neither in 1965 nor in 1971. While we have no doubt that India was, and is, our enemy, we gave it a historic opportunity to defeat us. However, even in 1971, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) rose to the occasion. Although it was barely present in East Pakistan, in West Pakistan, it fought well despite the grounding of Bengali pilots and technicians.

[@rogermilla2358]

Rathore 💪

[@BENKYism]

Surprisingly tame comments section

[@showtime112]

They'll probably warm up later :)

[@dominiquechesson4857]

😍👍🗽

[@showtime112]

Thank you for the comment!

[@arjuniyer2742]

Lovely video @showtime112!

[@showtime112]

Thank you very much!

[@WayneNoden]

Looks like India air forces was pretty hopeless back then

[@showtime112]

I wouldn't say 'hopeless'. After all, they succeeded in shooting down two Sabres. But the Indian Air Force was in an expansion program and there were many pilots without much experience.

[@rawdyrider]

It’s still pretty shitty with Mig 21s crashing all the time like a few days ago as well.Tejas crashed as well.They are genetically shitty under confident piloya

[@rawdyrider]

It’s still pretty shitty with Mig 21s crashing all the time like a few days ago as well.Tejas crashed as well.They are genetically shitty under confident pilots

[@hrishikeshbasumatary4725]

​@@rawdyrideryeah India is a very weak country I mean i am pretty sure they did not defeat Pakistan in 1971 war ? ????

[@Karm.K]

​@@rawdyriderHilaale Pakistan

[@codystout5353]

The whole world was at war in the 60s

[@vimalkumar3815]

After 6 year in 1971 it is iaf who dominated the in sky... In Pakistan😅

[@vijuchannel9134]

Ratio was 2:3

[@rajeshkarnailjaswal8442]

One of the best pilot in this subcontinent then why did they lost the war.

[@showtime112]

Germany had the most successful fighter pilots in history. No Allied pilot came even close to their scores. And yet, they lost. Do you realize the incredible weakness of your 'argument'? (If you can even call it that) Besides, I said 'best known' not just 'best'. Please learn how to focus on details before making such bold statements. You will sound much smarter.

[@memeconsumer773]

Reminder that India won the war in its own perspective and history books, but the fact remains that on a international scale, it ended in a ceasefire. Its literally states on the Wikipedia, the results were inconclusive and that on ceasefire terms there were no territorial changes

[@kalki_sevak1947]

pakistani armed forces have decent plans but abysmally poor executions.

[@JSFGuy]

I wondered if I'd get a notice

[@max2008abhi]

Pakistan has good pilots but it doesnt have the industrial infra to sustain a war.

[@showtime112]

True, economy is what wins wars in the end.

[@ZahidMahmood-c2v]

Rafiqui Got Both Gandhi And Pingale Before His Guns Jammed So He Had 4 Kills At The Time Of His Death

[@showtime112]

Your source?

[@ZahidMahmood-c2v]

@@showtime112 The Battle For Pakistan Narrative Itself And Sajjad Haiders Book Flight Of The Falcon

[@showtime112]

Wrong. Here's the direct quote from Sajad Haider's book: Rafiqui shot the leader of the first two Hunters spotted by him and by Cecil’s own irrefutable admission it was Yunus who had gone after the second Hunter flown by Flg Off Ghandhi. Ghandhi did manage a pot - shot at Cecil but was not able to get him. This distraction cost Ghandhi dearly as Yunus, who was chasing Ghandhi, eventually managed to shoot him down. The No 2 himself admitted to me recently that he did not shoot the second Hunter from the first pair spotted by Rafiqui. He had earlier claimed shooting down the third Hunter which did not happen because only the first two Hunters had been shot down - the third and fourth Hunters had shot Sarfaraz Rafiqui and Yunus when the battle had ended.

[@ZahidMahmood-c2v]

@@showtime112 Ok Fine

[@michaelwu9450]

@@showtime112damnnn got him with quotes and everything 😮‍💨

[@sandysandhar]

Indian Hunters know as Sabre slayers 😊😊

[@showtime112]

Wasn't that the Gnats?

[@historyoptional8333]

The Gnats.

[@muzamilarshad9006]

1965 air craft losses 🇵🇰20 🇮🇳70

[@hrishikeshbasumatary4725]

😂😂😂 Pakistan -10 India - 90 And 1971 surrender as well

[@muzamilarshad9006]

@hrishikeshbasumatary4725 🇵🇰1 🇦🇫🇷🇺13+ Soviwt afghan war

[@hrishikeshbasumatary4725]

@@muzamilarshad9006 93,000 SURRENDERED IN 1971 WAR - WORLD RECORD ( PAKISTAN) pakistan is powerful than Russia but India is more powerful than Pakistan THAT MEANS INDIA IS MORE POWERFUL THAN RUSSIA

[@hrishikeshbasumatary4725]

@@muzamilarshad9006 in 1971 war India lost - 3, 845 soldiers Pakistan lost - 9, 057 soldiers AND PAKISTAN SURRENDERED AND LOST WAR AND EAST PAKISTAN AS WELL

[@swapnaneeldas3227]

@@muzamilarshad9006 yes country is doomed to fail,but be happy of random small wins😂

[@AadityaPrabhu]

anyone getting a biased to pakistan vibe here

[@showtime112]

Here's my message to all those who only want to hear how awesome their nation is: WATCH SOMETHING ELSE!

[@Human95]

You are the only one 😂

[@AadityaPrabhu]

@@showtime112 i am just kindly asking you to make a few more videos with indian perspective

[@Bird-t4r]

No one cares history

[@showtime112]

How do you know you are a truly pathetic, boring human being? You are going around and telling people that what they are interested is lame and unimportant.

[@ijazarif1883]

Indian is such a big country but has an inferior Air Force. They always lose against Pakistan Air Force.

[@MrTravelerpk]

Bakwasiat

[@showtime112]

Your arguments are flawless and your knowledge is unquestionable. Are you a professional aviation historian? I'd say you are, it shows :)

[@bijaychowdhury1602]

Big ball... narrator....how Pakistani won 1965 war and gave u a welcome dinner... please also tell that😅😅😅