Sig Romeo M-17 Optic

[@BLR653]

Excellent work on this review. If you own a M17 this is the optic to get. Your review made that very clear otherwise there are much cheaper options that perform as well.

[@societalpreferences9182]

An m17*

[@MrSmith-zy2bp]

​@societalpreferences9182 *a M17 A is used before a noun that starts with a consonant sound. An is used before a noun that starts with a vowel sound.

[@herknorth8691]

Good to know that people are working on slide milling for these.

[@normwilson117]

“mil spec-edness”..always grateful for the time, effort, and energy that goes into this type of content

[@themindslaver2857]

This was an interest of mine thank you for the information. You're the best of the best.

[@protectiverailroaddad7541]

Thanks sig that’s just what we needed, another proprietary optic mount lol

[@levimaliwauki8]

Oh is someone hurt that military contracts sometimes require something special and proprietary, and that it’s honestly super cool that SIG turns right around and makes it possible for commercial market to get the same stuff the military does?

[@protectiverailroaddad7541]

That’s what you got out of that huh? That I was hurt that military contracts sometimes require something special or proprietary? Lol. Either you are a troll, an sig fanboy, or an idiot. I have three sigs and don’t need anything else they have to offer, unless I change my mind and then I’ll buy it. My trijicon rmr hd does just fine.

[@Gen3tx]

As of right now this is only a native footprint for the military contract m17/18. If you have the civ m17/18 you still have to deal with a plate or remilling for native footprint

[@trailertrashtactics]

Another thing that may or may not be noticed by others. With my astigmatism red dots, especially in low light or indoors are pretty blurry, but still very usable. Some how, some way, the circle dot on these sig optics literally make my astigmatism disappear. It’s unreal how crisp the dot looks. But if I take it off the circle dot it’s the same as any other dots I have. Something about the smooth 32 moa circle instead of having the hash marks (such as a holosun optic with dot and circle) makes it so clear for me.

[@graj3da175]

Holosun Scs 320 was where my money went to for my M17. Only because of value but was really close to getting the m17 optic. Just hope the durability is there with the holosun.

[@rashiro]

@@Highgear145 ....swampfox and olight lolololol

[@rashiro]

@@Highgear145 bruh you're on the channel of the guy who has demonstrated half the optics you own are total crap. Yeah your range toybox optics aren't having an issue when you're larping and trying to be guntuber.

[@gansior4744]

​@@rashiroi don't think he killed a Single holosun. Swampfox on the other hand

[@ABiblicalView]

I will say it looks great for a closed optic.

[@protectiverailroaddad7541]

One day Aaron is gonna have arthritis and carpal tunnel in his trigger finger and wrist. Thanks for your sacrifice to educate the firearms community.

[@SageDynamics]

Already had carpal and cubital surgery 👍

[@igrathke]

The Romeo-x is a good compromise if you want this optic on a commercial market Sig. The enclosed emitter isnt a deal breaker seeing that the OG rmr is still a great optic plus their are several other options for a non military slide M17.

[@Don_Frahn]

Waiting on the Sage video on the Romeo X compact!

[@thibert35]

When you could give two tips about the product, but Aaron comes out with a video.

[@user-ln1jf2ym9l]

please do the scs 320 holosun gr

[@D0cJekyll]

I'd really love to see what your thoughts on the Spear (not the LT).

[@mr.blanco6763]

Every gun manufacturer should have this. All optics should screw in from under the slide. It is the ultimate security!

[@geigelg77]

Quick question it’s been 6 years since the Bootleg BCG adjustable review what happened and can you do a follow up video? Thanks 🙏🏼

[@Chris23airsoft]

Please review lead and steel pandora pb3 optic!

[@aaronb4936]

I wonder if this would fit in the safari land holsters designed for red dot/pistol light

[@gabrielchatwin7459]

Great video as always

[@bradroy782]

Please do the SCS 320!

[@ericberman4193]

Comment on price: Given that you don’t need to purchase/mount a set of suppressor height co-witness sights, the $100 you thereby save effectively reduces the $799 cost of the M17 down to $699. Granted, that’s still a fair amount to pay, however you’re getting a LOT of Mil spec in an features in a very robust package. Also, very good video - thanks for producing.

[@albertptran]

Been happy with the Sig MSR optic on my ar and ak

[@protectiverailroaddad7541]

Hey Aaron I have one question. Barring the price issue is there any reason to go with the m17 optic over say the already proven holosuns, acros, and trijicon closed emitter rds?

[@SageDynamics]

Eh, personal question really. I like it. I don’t have to have it.

[@user-ln1jf2ym9l]

@@SageDynamics can you do a review on the holosun 320 gr (closed emitter)?

[@user-ln1jf2ym9l]

@@SageDynamics YES there is! the holosun 320 gr is a enclosed emitter optic.... please check around. holosun came out with it in the summertime. based off your comment 7 hours ago. youll be doing a video on it!

[@jasonkeating9958]

A vid on what's mil spec in regards to optics would be great as I haven't heard of that before, And a comparison chart of mil spec against the standard sage test list would help.

[@zachconroy1443]

Sig making the Acro p2 a budget option

[@BrianRiotHobbies]

Great video! I see the P320 AXG legion with the romeo x on it back there. Do you have a video on it?

[@SageDynamics]

On Patreon.

[@chazc933]

Id love to hear your opinion on the p320s in current day as far as safety concerns go.

[@Clockwork0nions]

Not a concern unless you’re a cop, lol

[@SageDynamics]

Almost all cases have been dismissed without merit. I imagine the rest will as well.

[@Clockwork0nions]

@@Rubeless The only issue in a military context was a Canadian SF guy using the wrong holster for the M17/18.

[@mdfroman2235]

Thinking about my G34.5+ACRO P2 being the budget alternative is making me smile from ear to ear, lol

[@Highgear145]

Reports of multiple issues with the P2 from people that actually use their optics

[@Richardjohnson6969]

@@Highgear145reports of hundreds of issues with sig optics from literally everyone. I’ll still take a p2 which I’ve used and put 3500 round downrange with over a fucking more expensive Chinese sig optic.

[@Highgear145]

@@Richardjohnson6969 Made up nonsense....Where are these hundreds of reports? How do you translate one little issue here and there to be hundreds of reports? I have thousands of rounds down range with Sig optics and never had any issues

[@Richardjohnson6969]

@@Highgear145 hm, funny, I have thousands of rounds sent with 2 p2s. No issues. Ironic, right? Sig optics have a track record of being trash quality. I’m sorry you are poor. Good luck

[@Richardjohnson6969]

@@Highgear145 it’s not little issues. Sig handgun optics blow donkey dick. You should know this, you use them.

[@b.vo.]

I was hoping to hear about the new Magnetac technology

[@Kelly-oq9nh]

Aaron, are you using your right eye? If so, if the video doesn’t already exist, could you do a presentation of cross eye dominance, both pistol, shooting and using a rifle ?

[@J.Young808]

I believe he talks about Cross Eye Dominance in a past video as I am righty and left eye

[@davidchin351]

Is gonna fit in the Safariland holster ?

[@hakansoderholm6514]

This video is why I love Aarons videos. Yes it is Good - But there is things that take it down. Keeping it real! 🙂

[@rayyoung4118]

Is there a plan to update us with a review of the Romeo x? The civilian version.

[@SageDynamics]

It’s been on Patreon for months.

[@J.Young808]

How does this compare to the Romeo 2 hybrid?

[@texasranger24]

Great review. Even if i have no slide for this optic yet. What brand/type of shooting glasses are you using?

[@westtexas3041]

Great video Aaron. Thank you.

[@glenneford]

If its propritory to the m17 slide, the m17 is the same as the sig r1p / dpp. Theres already adaptor plates out there for the dpp/sig r1p. So in theory, it should work. The bad part is the mounting of the screws is on the bottom, under the firing pin assy. So there should be stuff out there to make it work on other pistols.

[@cschultzy56]

It's not proprietary to the commercial M17/18 slides with the DPP mount. It's proprietary to military slides.

[@Ihasanart]

Nope, the mil contract M17/18s have holes cut through the slide to allow the screws to screw into the optic from below. They basically took the DPP footprint and modified it with a angled front dovetail and the screws from underneath at the rear of the slide. So far only the mil contract slides have this, NOT the commercial M17/18 editions.

[@jcrmlaredo]

Different mount system. Your thinking civilian models of the m17/m18. The military versions have siglock as well ass r1p/dpp. The civilian versions only have the r1p/dpp footprint.

[@makotoyuki2199]

Drop test part: 17:00

[@knifeaddict1014]

Weapons light info please?

[@e.l.robbins5614]

The mounting system is my only problem.

[@nolanditty6369]

What holster are you using cause I’m tryna see if the safariland holsters fit the optic

[@SageDynamics]

6xxx series ALS.

[@nolanditty6369]

@@SageDynamics the enclosed emitter option I assume?

[@SageDynamics]

@@nolanditty6369 doesn’t matter as long as it’s an RDS holster.

[@J.Young808]

I put a Romeo 0 Pro on my M18 w/Wilson grip module

[@davidbishop2659]

Has anyone had battery life issues? I’ve used 2032 energizer lithium. It only lasts for about a month.

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

Holosun 509 is quite hard to dethrone..

[@awokeone7997]

I will second that. Have 2 for some yrs now and excellent so far, especially for the money!

[@Sparks00psn]

@@awokeone7997saying “for the money” tells me there was a better option but it was more expensive so you decided to save money on a life saving device that is not the best option on the market.

[@torranceparsons5216]

Yea 509T is still the enclosed king in my book though I do like my EPS Carry on my Macro, don't think they are as durable

[@bradyb2233]

Yea the new enclosed Trijicon might edge it out only because of the footprint. But yea the 509 is a hard standard to beat.

[@maximusjoseppi5904]

@@bradyb2233 The 509 comes with an RMR footprint adapter that adds basically no height.

[@IlovemySubaru]

509T or the sig

[@venomgt7299]

I cant stand Sig p320s and definetly not a fan of Sig optics. Still have to give the video a thumbs up. Sage Dynamics is the best in the business

[@MRsolidcolor]

sig is questionable at best. and not even close to worth the price. they are just trying to get the money back from the military

[@douglasshouganai2516]

My only problem with the P320s is primarily the damage that can occur from using too much force when inserting the 21 round mag. I wish there was overinsertion stops or the part of the FCU that can get damaged were made to be replaceable. My second gripe is with the aftermarket. I want a larger safety lever so I can rest my thumb on it and have better leverage

[@mauricemaurice123]

What don’t you like about the 320?

[@boomee78]

​@mauricemaurice123 there are pistols that i believe are better and definitely i shoot better namly walther pdp glocks smith and wesson and fn 509s

[@Itsdamnitjeremy]

I have never seen a p320 with a good trigger. Never.

[@andrewpinheiro7202]

I really hate that I have a civilian m17 and can’t run it

[@isamm_1336]

I simply can't justify 800 dollars on top of having to buy a whole new slide even though I have a civilian P320 m17 ( wtf were they thinking) not when you have holuson offering something similar for nearly half the price. I'm looking at either the Romeo X pro, holuson eps or the holuson scs 320

[@levimaliwauki8]

You do realize the military’s footprint on the MHS contract guns came first before the commercial M17/M18 hit the market? You’re not entitled to have everything be exactly the way you want it. Engineering and time of design and release of product doesn’t always align when a company is running both commercial AND military needs

[@isamm_1336]

@@levimaliwauki8 far from entitlement I more so wish the Romeo X pro was enclosed. However, I doubt they will release a civilian version of the m17. There aren't great offerings for the DPP footprint that are durable except for the Romeo X series and holuson scs

[@Jesco2841]

I wish the burndown was just a 3 second clip on repeat.

[@archi2nd]

Where is the ChemRail on the rack!!!!?!?!?!?

[@robertfoote3255]

Still have to be subbed to UTube to like and comment here to push the signal for Sage Dynamics. 😎

[@dbut5427]

Romeo2 is best sig optic

[@ahmedhossny933]

How it is not for civilians and still you hold it

[@permianpractical]

12:16 RIP earphone users

[@davewebster5120]

Always happy to see a sage video, but I will never be a patreon supporter.

[@Bortamert]

Osage County Guns sells the military model M17/18 to military and law enforcement online if that applies to anyone interested. Got one for about $700

[@Bortamert]

@@Rubeless I haven’t seen the military contract models on blue label. Not saying they don’t have them I just haven’t personally. The prices for the used ones online are insane.

[@bozscaggzz7475]

I don't know, I'm just not that into that sig pistol

[@AtlasSurveyGroup]

RC3 🥺

[@camron1501]

Thank you.

[@rickm4295]

With the reliability of optics these days , do you think BUIS are even necessary ? This is more of an off topic rifle question but we dont see you much anymore.

[@SageDynamics]

No reason to take them off.

[@rickm4295]

True...@@SageDynamics

[@brrrt7623]

I wish no one was trying to accommodate sig, offering something so proprietary. For $800 there are MUCH better options

[@Varrylickers]

Try bumpfiring pistols for the burn down!!

[@joshmajor8662]

Can’t stand the company Sig but love these random videos your so gracious to share with us incompetent KZbin watchers, it’s not like it’s our fault you grew so big or anything 🤨 enjoy the fame Lol we’ll patiently await the next video you think we deserve to see haha 😂

[@SageDynamics]

Goddamn man, it’s too early to take your entitlement for a walk.

[@JoeWinter-ky8xo]

It wasn’t built for us. It was built for the DOD.

[@levimaliwauki8]

Exactly - everyone be like “oh no how DARE they make something that doesn’t fit on the gun I own now” it’s like… bro. The optic footprint on the MHS contract was solidified before commercial guns got released. It’s honestly way cool that SIG turns right around and goes “so anyways, military has it so you can now too, you’re welcome”

[@bozscaggzz7475]

Sig is the most pretentiousness gun company out there. That price is 100% sig tax. They like their products more than I do.

[@levimaliwauki8]

Nah

[@charliemke]

god I wish it was cheaper

[@protectiverailroaddad7541]

Yeah no crap, and I thought I splurged on my trijicon rmr hd. That cost me $588 from optics planet. No way I’m paying $800+ for a pistol optic when holosun and even trijicons can be had for hundreds of dollars cheaper.

[@ZensivYT]

for most people i think the Holosun SCS320 would just be a better choice over this

[@danielvito3162]

Sig is the Apple of the gun world.

[@torranceparsons5216]

Foot print is not ideal and price is def inflated due to clout, otherwise it looks like a winner 💯

[@callen0892]

"milspec performance" so held together by duct tape with dead batteries 😂

[@PPSChadwick]

Who here was concerned when he dropped tested the pistol that it would AD? 😂

[@shekelwarlocke]

no way in hell he drop tests on a loaded chamber, double 'no' with a 320 lol

[@Baconaughts]

@@shekelwarlocke Is a prior video, he mentioned that he puts a primed (but otherwise empty) case in the chamber of his drop test firearms.

[@PPSChadwick]

@@Baconaughts did he really? I don’t remember that.

[@douglasshouganai2516]

If anyone would be turned off by a gun that has AD'S, it would be Aaron Cowan. If he loves the gun, I doubt that he puts much faith in the reports that have surfaced so far.

[@JoeWinter-ky8xo]

For what it’s worth, the state of California drop tested the P320 through an independent lab and it passed.

[@2LEJTurbo]

Just want to highlight the comment how "nice" the M17 with Romeo M17 shoots nice. The Romeo M17 weight is 0.5 oz heavier then the plate, the acro is 4X the weight. Its also very low when compared to other optics. This causes ALOT less flip from slapping a giant terd like a Acro on the slide.

[@bri7929]

What is this guy doing , having a muscle spark lol

[@SardonicDog]

F Sig. got it. Thanks.

[@skullofserpent5727]

❤

[@marcross52-95]

I like SIG for their aesthetics and innovation, but their P320 line and pistol optics.....leaves more to be desired.

[@mewkatlol]

The romeo that came with the 320 was absolute trash, batteries lasted like four weeks.

[@levimaliwauki8]

Give the ROMEO2 and ROMEO-X a try. Your opinion might change!

[@seang1032]

Sig is known for proprietary crap. Yes they have their standard ARs but the rattler and victus and now this. I hate 320s but still have my 365xl. Only sig I need

[@nosyarg1997]

My p320 rx compact has sat in the safe since the day i bought it, never shot it one time. Bought it thinking it looked cool, then i saw the issues...Cant trust it and a ND in the wrong place would completely destroy my life. I'll get around to selling one day it if the ATF wont throw me in jail.

[@DefZen343]

you need to go google your local gun laws lol. and probably shoot more too.

[@PrestleyPlays]

Why would they toss you in jail? Just do a private party transfer with somebody at a proper FFL

[@otterconnor942]

I'm surprised that the p320 made it without a failure every 100-500 rounds

[@SageDynamics]

Sounds like someone’s been lying to you. The 320 doesn’t have a reliability issue.

[@otterconnor942]

@SageDynamics I'm going to trust Honest Outlaw more than some random bootlicker

[@SageDynamics]

@@otterconnor942 oh shit, we’re dropping insults now. Cool dude, I don’t see over 1000 students a year or anything. I don’t teach entire depts using 320s as their duty gun or anything. But yeah, you do that, dipshit.

[@CrazyLegz72]

@@SageDynamics and now people no longer have to ponder why you aren't on KZbin regularly anymore. Clearly someone had no idea who you are or what you do, to call you a random boot licker. Perfect example of what is wrong with the online 2A community. Thank God they are the minority. Thanks for sharing your results with us Aaron.

[@MRsolidcolor]

i just dont feel they are safe enough..

[@javinyukabee]

😂

[@cesarpeirano5691]

Amigo! Durante muchisimos videos has dicho que los videos son una diversión y un complento. Que tu no vives de tus videos. Y luego que bastante gente te sigue les quieres cobrar? Que poco leal con tus seguidores.

[@bmphil3400]

Why can't sig pick something and stick with it? They are constantly making one thing or the other obsolete in their own product line. That's not really innovative....that's dumbassery.

[@tristenwilliams1943]

Holy crap dude. No one is clicking on your video that doesn’t own this pistol. Everyone knows it’s proprietary. You don’t need a massive rant about how it’s proprietary. If you don’t have a sig, buy a different optic. Simple.

[@diemos322jones9]

Can't wait for the drop test. Sig has been consistent in the past decade of making excellent, overpriced products that are perfectly suited for the garbage can.

[@someguy8446]

Did you happen to watch the video? He did a drop test @ 17:00. It did fine.

[@IrishDevil78]

320’s pretty much suck, not for me.

[@legionp229saoconvertedme4]

Ew who tf wants a sig optic💩💩💩