Sigma 85 1.4 DG DN ART (vs Lumix 85 1.8)

Sigma 85mm 1.4 DG DN ART
And compared with the Lumix S 85mm 1.8
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[@TheRealRichardWong]

What do you think about the Sigma 85mm f/1.4 DG DN ART lens? Would you choose it or the Lumix S 85 1.8 instead?

[@AfF3lix]

just got the Sigma for my S1R, couldn't be happier 👌🏻

[@vaidehiarts]

I'd go for the Lumix S 1.8 lenses as a group, so the rendition matches perfectly between all of them. Plus the 85 1.8 S is lighter and more travel friendly.

[@scottfineshriber5051]

I hope to get the LUMIX. For my budget, it seems like it’s a great lens. If I had a big budget, I might choose the Sigma, but I might not. For my purposes it doesn’t have much of an advantage.

[@nils.klinger]

I just found your channel and I think your videos are awesome because they are very chill and relaxing not as "hyped" as a lot of the other channels. Thank you for the content!

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Thabk you Nils ! Glad you like my contents

[@jaid32]

Great review Richard, just what I was looking for, thank you

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Thank you for watching :)

[@MirrorlessFrame]

Nice video Sir Richard! i Wish this Sigma had the ND filter box like my 14-24, but that aperture dial on this 85 is amazing! Probably gonna get it soon!

[@petercavendish6935]

Thanks for another fair and informative review! I would pick the Sigma because it gives best portrait photos results. Autofocus in photo mode is great too

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Thank you Peter! Glad you like the review. The build quality of the Sigma is also better too

[@CLIFFLIX]

Does this lens have a stair-step aperture or a smooth ramping aperture? I noticed that the Sigma 24mm DG DN lens on L mount DOES star-step. The same lens on Sony is NOT crippled. So,...it seems that Lumix is playing games on some Sigma lenses. If you are on a gimbal and want the S1H or S5-IIX to run auto aperture,...you will get exposure "jolts" as the aperture lens in each 1/3 stop step. I literally returned this 24mm immediately because of this. Do you know if they crippled the Sugma 85 aperture or is it smooth ramping? (FYI,...Lumix branded lens do NOT have a crippled star-step ramping aperture)

[@mftraw1099]

Thanks man. Great video. Plenty of useful info. I just bought the sigma and it's being delivered tomorrow. And now I have a good idea of what to expect. Bravo 👏

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Glad I could help!

[@FrancisJacquerye]

As always, very nice 360 degrees review Richard. I really enjoy your channel!

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Thank you very much Francis!

[@biawa849]

Always glad to see you and watch your videos. I just pre ordered a lumix 85 f1.8, thought it may have better af capability 😂

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Thanks Liam!! Good to read your comments again :) Enjoy your Lumix 85!

[@scottfineshriber5051]

Thanks for a great comparison. You’ve helped me make a choice. 👍

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Glad I could help Scott! :)

[@FantabMedia]

Excellent review (as always). Out of interest did you check how the AF-C in Photo mode was on the Sigma?

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Hey Kris, yes I did use it a bit. It works quite well when I was shooting events. But I didn't use it to shoot anything super fast like sports or people running towards the camera

[@EricLouisYoung]

You've helped to turn me into a Panasonic guy. My s1h arrived this week and my s1r arrives next week. Loving the big bodies. I've fully embraced manual focus for video.

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Hi Eric! Glad my video helps and enjoy your S1H beast! If you do MF for video, the Sigma is quite nice with it's declicked aperture ring option. oh but one thing i forgot to mention in the video, the Sigma doesn't seem to respect the linear/non-linear MF ring setting on the Panasonic body, always act in non-linear way

[@alpao74]

@@TheRealRichardWong true, I just bought the sigma 100 to 400 f5 to f6.3 and on the S5 moving the focus manually is very slow even if I've got the camera set to linear 90° 🤷🤦

[@zhipeng]

Thanks for the detailed comparison, high quality review as always! A quick question, at 13:31, do you know why there's color tone difference (assume the camera has the same setting)?

[@TheRealRichardWong]

yes same settings, manual White balance. The difference in colour is just because of the lens itself. Sigma lenses quite often renders scene slightly warmer, it seems this is the same for this lens as well.

[@JericTamayo]

Thanks for the comparison video. I'm very tempted to go full frame with the S5. I'd personally go with the Lumix 85mm. Reason being they're likely going to make the 35mm and 50mm very similar in weight, and most likely will be having the same filter thread across the lenses. Meaning you'll have an easier time with gimbal work with these primes. And these lenses are more adept with the current Lumix dfd autofocusing system for video work.

[@TheRealRichardWong]

good point Jeric!

[@fjsjdm3132]

All good Points but the 85mm have 355 gramm & the 50mm have 300 gramm

[@Visual_Ghoul]

@@fjsjdm3132 thats still similar

[@TheLinesEnd]

That is a terrible reason. You would sacrifice quality for ease?

[@GeorgeNiksch]

Great video! I think I might have to pick up the Lumix 85.

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Hey goerge thanks again for your support and glad you like the video

[@ArtofServer]

I recently became interested in this Sigma lens. When I saw you had a review on it, your video was the first one I clicked on! Always love your reviews! However, can you re-test the auto-focus of this Sigma lens with the new S5 II/IIx?

[@TheRealRichardWong]

thank you! But its unlikely I can re-test it on the S5II as it's not exactly easy to get hold of some review samples here in NZ.

[@Tom_Roberts]

Great review - thanks. Bought an a S5 for video and I think the Lumix 85mm is best for me based on your autofocus test and your focus sample helped a lot.

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Glad to hear the review helped :)

[@50450720]

The Panasonic lens, is far better value for money, The sigma offers less than 1 stop more light, but costs nearly twice as much.

[@TheLinesEnd]

The Sigma blows the doors off of it. Are you kidding. It’s worth twice as much

[@50450720]

@@TheLinesEnd 🤣🤣🤣

[@harryvlogs7833]

​@phyxiusproductions no it doesn't very small difference just slightly sharper

[@Silverwarhawk]

Its built way better. Worthy to be on my leica

[@BigAppleEmperor]

Hi Richard, great review as always, I just purchased the Sigma as per your review and suggestion, I can't believe how sharp it is even at f1.4, I don't mean is sharp like everyone says is sharp, I mean sharp like nothing I have seen before, I had the Sony 85GM, and is nowhere as sharp as the Sigma, the Bokeh is very dreamy-like my Leica Noct 1.0, but super sharp on the focus area, however, truth be told, it is so hard to nail focus on the Noct, maybe 1 out of 10 is in focus. How about a short review on the S1r version 1.7 firmware, like to get your take on the supposed improvement on AF. Thank you again for taking the time to do these great videos.

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Hi Alex thanks and glad to hear you are enjoying your new sigma lens. Re s1r 1.7 fw .. I would be honest I probably won't do that this time. Reason is the improvement was previously seen on the s5 and I did some comparison of the s5 with a s1h previously in my s5 review and there are some noticeable improvements so maybe have a look at my s5 autofocus video and I expect identical improvements for the s1r with the 1.7fw

[@CO8848_2]

I am disappointed this lens doesn't AF that well. I got the S5 in hand, and evaluating whether to return it and wait for Sony a7iv next year. The lack of a great lens selection at cheap prices is a big issue for me.

[@fredriksvard2603]

Sounds like out of the ashes into the fire

[@DoruLutai]

Great review as always. Thank you!

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Thank you ❤️!

[@danielwiki8399]

Thanks for the comprehensive and fair review. I would pick the sigma because of the build quality and bokeh!

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Thabks for watching Daniel!

[@KwasnikPictures]

Such a cool lens! 1.4 is super bright 😯Great review 👌

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Cheers KwasnikPictures!! 1.4 is good for the bokeh!! 💪💪💪

[@KwasnikPictures]

@@TheRealRichardWong Yeah and I love bokeh

[@angelvillanueva4518]

Nice Work Richard

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Thank you angel!!

[@arrangearrange]

Nice review! I don’t like either lens but this was super helpful!

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Thanks for watching and dropping a comment :)

[@Franciehatescoffeeicecream]

When we are looking at 1.4 v 1.8 the real benefit here is low light astro stuff for a 1.4 as the dof at this range is so easily replicated with the 1.8 and a tiny bit of post work

[@officialtiimo]

How does the Sigma perform on your S5 II with phase detect AF?

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Sorry can't answer this question at the moment.

[@sjmedia_official]

good compare, Sigma is so much sharper. I cannot decide if its 500€ better than the Lumix. With which cam did you take those night photos?

[@TheRealRichardWong]

S5

[@fatherofbirds]

Thanks for the review, I don’t know why I get so happy when you upload dood. Probably because you are a S-Series warrior who runs around in his backyard.😆 You inspire me to keep creating on my channel, 🙏 thank you.

[@TheRealRichardWong]

haha thank you my friend!! Let's keep creating more good contents!

[@simpleloveweddingfilms5535]

You wouldn’t happen to have made a similar video for the 24mm would you? (Sigma 24mm 1.4 vs panasonic 24mm 1.8)

[@TheRealRichardWong]

No sorry i haven't test the Sigma 24mm

[@swathyshibi3741]

I happen to see that you take pictures by just touching the screen on lumix S5 .. how is that possible? Can you reply me or make a short video on it ..thabks man

[@TheRealRichardWong]

hi Swathy, Tap on the arrow on the LCD display and you can choose to enable the touch shutter feature

[@michaelfedorsha8147]

The Panny will work on a Leica SL right?

[@TheRealRichardWong]

I believe it would, but i haven't got a chance to test it myself

[@delysid_musicPY]

A comparison from you of the Lumix s pro 24 70 vs the Sigma 24 70 would be nice, since almost no one addresses comparisons as detailed as yours,I saw one that is in German, I don't understand anything it says but at least it tests vignetting, flare, focus distortion and construction quality, but a comparison like the one would be good. yours on the s5ii and if it is really worth paying the extra for the Lumix s pro since both lenses are still widely used today and there are almost no comparisons with the new AF system.

[@TheRealRichardWong]

thank you for your kind words! Can't promise i will do that comparison review anytime soon, but if i have a chance to gather those two lenses, i would definitely do some comparisons

[@KEVINEGGER]

Great video thank you! I think i'll buy the lumix ... the sigma is better(i like it), but it costs so much more than the Lumix and the difference is too small ... i can put the money into another lens. when panasonic brings the 50mm 1.8 on the market (and the price is similar) maybe i have two good lenses for the price like the sigma

[@TheRealRichardWong]

yes, that's a reasonable approach!

[@tedsouart2085]

Thank you for the video. The lack of AFC for the sigma lenses on lumix bodies is one of the reasons I switched to sony. I just received the sigma 85 for sony and I can say that the autofocus is very good so far. The S1 could be the perfect camera for me if they "really" improved their AFC and take the L mount alliance seriously. It feels like Panasonic doesn't want sigma to sell lenses for L mount.

[@FantabMedia]

Agreed. It's crazy that almost two years into the system we still have issues with 3rd party lenses on what's supposed to be an "alliance".

[@tedsouart2085]

@@FantabMedia Even the sigma mc-11 works very well. Nothing like the mc-21 for L mount. It's a shame because lumix makes great video camera.

[@EricLouisYoung]

It's all because the panasonic bodies don't have intrinsic knowledge of subject distance and they merely employ some hacks on their own lenses to try to work around it. As soon as Panasonic adds proper distance detection (like literally every competitor), then the sigma lenses will work perfect, just like on sony bodies.

[@FantabMedia]

​@@EricLouisYoung Agreed, we need phase detect (or an alternative like TOF). Strange thing is Sigma claim they fully support DFD in their lenses!

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Thanks for watching Ted! i don't think Panasonic would not like Sigma to sell L-mount lenses. When Panasonic launch the S5, they bundle the Sigma 45 2.8 as a pre-order/launch bonus when people buys a S5. but yes there are definitely still things they need to work out and improve.

[@Svoboda1234]

Sharpness comparison at higher f stops plzzz

[@bowdenlacsama]

Can you recommend 85mm for video?

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Yes, but I think the Lumix is better especially when used with a Lumix body for continuous autofocus

[@daxshell242]

your static autofocus hunting is a tiny bit flawed. the camera HAS to move the element. it doesnt know when something is "in focus" it just knows when peak contrast has been achieved. it needs to know what out of focus looks like before it knows what "in focus" looks like. Now that the camera has to wiggle the elements a little bit, the f/1.4 is going to look like it "hunts" more, because its f/1.4. going out of focus will create more blur than the f/1.8 will. and it will be slower because f/1.4 needs to gear down the motor more, because it needs to be more precise. being off by a little with f/1.4 is far more unforgiving than f/1.8. this will almost ALWAYS be the case, since the lens mount limits how much power you can deliver to the motor. The only real way to improve it is to use lighter focusing elements (less glass, likely impacting image quality), or more efficient motors (cost will rise exponentially)

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Thanks for the long and detailed feedback Max!!!

[@angelvillanueva4518]

👍🏻

[@nicolasletellier6162]

Really great video, I have the Sigma you test with the S1 And my experience with it is 100% what you describe. I didn't test the Panasonic 85mm but from what I see I would say to people who wonder which one to buy: if you can wait for the Panasonic do it, its lighter cheaper and I don't see a much difference in quality with the Sigma. But if you can't wait, the sigma is a really great quality lens even if I wouldn't advise it for video.

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Hi Nicolas, thanks for sharing your experience and glad to hear my experience aligned with yours as well. :)

[@Keilikeramen]

I use sigma 85 1.4 dg dn with a9 sony very fast focus even better than 85 1.8 sony maybe different system depend on camera

[@uncle0eric]

What, exactly, makes a lens qualify as an "art" lens?

[@TheRealRichardWong]

This is the official description: www.sigma-global.com/en/lenses/cas/concept/#art

[@uncle0eric]

@@TheRealRichardWong Thanks. But I don't think "unsurpassed expressive performance" is a very clear criterion. :D

[@emphotostudios8454]

That’s called “marketing”, lol

[@leonardodosvinci4130]

I was all ready to pull the trigger on the Lumix then I saw a review where the AF/MF print was rubbing off the housing! kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHmoh6Fuodatpdk&lc This cant be an old lens its just come out! You might say it doesnt matter, but if they cant get that right, what quality control is on the internal components you cant see?

[@PavelR2]

Nice comparison, but you've overlooked pretty big distortion of Sigma. I think it is caused by automatic correction switched to On in camera. (May be it is the cause of the difference in FoV.)

[@krislee4645]

I would pick the sigma because of faster aperture and nicer bokeh. But The lumix is not bad at all.

[@krislee4645]

And the better build quality too

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Thanks for watching Kris

[@fredriksvard2603]

Sigma looks much better in this video, maybe its got to do with settings and post but i assume not

[@A1Bokeh]

so frustrating how on a lumix body the sigmas have like 0 af..

[@TheRealRichardWong]

haha it's not as good as a native Lumix lens, but i think it's still useable for a lot of everyday scenario.

[@marcelinodelosreyes3201]

Jh

[@nguyenbui90]

Sorry but Your shirt is really distracting viewer from the content with it fake chromatic

[@TheRealRichardWong]

Thanks for the feedback

[@arthurlbn]

Is it the acromatic aberration from the lenses ?

[@orhansnake9824]

Lumix cams so terrible man 🤦🏻‍♂️💩 dont like it 🤷🏻‍♂️