Sihleeey: "Men Should Hold Onto The Last Bit of Masculinity They Have Left!"

[@Sihleeey]

Thank you for having me Pen🙏🏾 I will always love me some thought provoking conversations 😌

[@Penuelism]

@@Sihleeey always appreciate you. One more sitdown now in January... when you're ready.

[@FakaziKhumalo]

@@PenuelismAwungifakela lengane Bafo mani

[@journeyofme101]

😂😂😂​@@FakaziKhumalo

[@thandiwear]

Pen gonna Marry Sihle and convert her into Islam

[@lesetjatshego5717]

You are good lady

[@Penuelism]

For the record: Sihle asked me to have a conversation this time around, & to pushback. Versus a one-sided interview.

[@MlokothoLanga8]

That's flexible and nice to have than a traditional interview which allows not much of interruption. Iyabulela iLali 🖋️

[@KamoEverythingSA]

I am liking the difference style in content… and I am learning more thus far.

[@nhlakaniphongcobo4692]

Still Panual it was not supposed to be lecture but Konvo, am stuck between blaming you for talking too much or blaming Sihle for not offering her opinions openly and firmly. #DopeEpisode

[@skhumbuzogcaba6369]

Exactly penuel is brilliant smart intelligent guy....but he's a bad interviewer..whats the point of inviting someone over.. When we have to listen to him.

[@ditebogo_damson]

I love that they are having a conversation like Sihle wanted, and they are so mature and emotionally intelligent...it's beautiful, I loved the episode❤🥹more of these please

[@johannesbaloyi5161]

Im growing to love Sihle 💐i jxt like how she's so well-informed and being unapologetic about what she believes amd stand for while being humbled

[@moswaromalapane56]

Sihle you're appreciated and celebrated. Keep it going.

[@brycemarcusmbaiwa]

Great conversation ,real education being dropped here and i admire how y'all both listen to each other as you being your points across.Big up to the calm nature in which you are both in as you exchange views and present solutions as well.

[@MncedisiShongwe-k2p]

I like the way Sphesihle explains the difference between condeming and rebuking

[@sithelomagagula5640]

This woman has tremendous wisdom

[@Nawal_SA]

She's tiny but very huge ❤

[@Gihgiliza]

Good points mentioned during this interview. I don't agree with all of them, however, I gained some knowledge during the session. Cheers! Keep them coming.

[@tsogangmbonani1529]

I love, love that revelation on God’s judgment 🤯🤯. So, so on point and so scriptural Sihle❤.

[@OGLechaba]

You know what Penzo, I differ with you on so many things, but you make so many valid points that keeps me subscribed to your channel.

[@Penuelism]

I appreciate you 🙏🏽

[@zamagcinazuba555]

I enjoyed this conversation so much, my perspective was challenged and more than anything I feel like I am not well-read on things that matter and I need to do better to enlighten myself. Thanks Pen and Sihle.

[@philanimota20]

Great conversation guys, loving the episode

[@hlomlaralawe7706]

The Xhosa nation loves you . Siphesihle siyazingca ngawe ntombi❤

[@NkuliSEOLONYANE]

I really enjoy watching you. Maybe a monthly co-hosting? I love how Penuel is believes in Sihle. It's really beautiful to witness

[@kholofelomatabane6174]

Beautiful conversation.I used to love weaves and all that.I out grew them simply because they were chowing my hairline and i was just tired. I have been on natural hair since 2017.And i must say,it feels great.

[@mishackmabatane6859]

Siyabonga❤

[@LoveyRammz]

Is your hairline good now with natural ? I went natural but hairline gone

[@TheDesignedLifeWithShiloh]

"Father Abraham had many sons like Penuel"😂🎉😂 you're funny Pen. Great interview.

[@pascalfx2459]

That dusted me 😂😂😂

[@AfricaWildNFree]

@Pen i really liked how you adressed the question about black ppl being inferior. Your explanation was well thought out and on point. 👊🏾

[@kamogelontuli3888]

Insightful conversation i loved it

[@RealHaitota]

This Boy is a master of Dope Conversations. Big up Boy🖋🖋

[@LwandoMpehle]

I thoroughly enjoyed this podcast, especially the discussion about the 'Cash Content Dance' trend on TikTok. It’s a fascinating topic, but it got me thinking: why exactly did this trend blow up? One leg of the decision tree suggests the trend exploded because it was different. Initially, the group performed the dance in standard male attire, but later, they recreated it while wearing dresses. The change in appearance likely made the content more eye-catching, prompting people to share it widely. At this level, it’s easy to conclude that the audience simply found it entertaining-case closed. But let’s follow the other leg of the decision tree. What if it wasn’t just about the audience? TikTok’s algorithm plays a huge role in what trends and what doesn’t. Algorithms aren’t neutral; they’re designed by the platform’s creators to push specific types of content to larger audiences. This brings us to the question: was this trend amplified because it’s what people want to see, or because it’s what TikTok’s algorithm wants them to see? Consider this: in China, where TikTok originates (as Douyin), the platform promotes educational and inspiring content that aligns with the country’s goals of fostering academic and intellectual excellence. Outside China, however, we see trends that often push boundaries or focus on entertainment rather than empowerment. Why the stark contrast? If the algorithm is amplifying men wearing dresses while dancing, what’s the bigger picture? Over time, exposure therapy kicks in. What was once seen as unconventional becomes normalized, and questioning it might even be deemed “problematic.” Content creators then follow the trend, thinking it’s what audiences want, when in reality, it’s what the platform has decided they should want. This leads me to the broader societal impact. Masculinity, traditionally tied to resilience, strength, and structure, seems to be under the spotlight. A society that normalizes men behaving or presenting in traditionally feminine ways might become easier to control or more vulnerable to internal collapse. After all, an empire destroyed by its enemies can always rebuild itself, but one that crumbles from within is gone forever. This isn’t about conspiracy theories, but we’ve seen before how platforms can steer public perception for specific agendas. Take Facebook in 2016, for example, when its algorithms were used to influence the U.S. presidential election. If algorithms can shape political outcomes, they can certainly reshape cultural norms. So the real question is: why? Why is the erosion of traditional masculinity becoming a trend? What’s the agenda behind it? Is it about desensitization, control, or something else entirely?

[@pulanemolotsi6998]

Enjoyed reading this!!!

[@kabelontobo303]

Damn it I enjoyed that, I enjoyed it a lot. Sihle is such a breath of fresh air. ❤

[@FrankMokhine-j5d]

She's so logical more than most men. It's unbelievable that most men can't stand up for masculinity. She's a Godsent!

[@kgodishojulianlekgau3153]

Thank you guys for the sit down. I'm looking forward to the next one🤝

[@rubzamorfking7141]

Very insightful. Enjoyed this chat

[@thapelo-jl5pk]

Shoutout to Sihle ✨ and the black pen never disappoints 🔥✊🏾

[@prudencesane9034]

What a great conversation. I've learn a lot.

[@sembachitibwi5211]

We need more conversations like this, especially with our children. The future is looking very scary with the coming generation. Values , morals, self love, basic wisdom seem to have been thrown out the window for the majority. We need to seriously educate our youth, perhaps too much freedom is a problem and dictatorship is the way to go in order to save our people.

[@liziwechantalmlonzi9484]

Loved this... We need to open our eyes to these phenomenons that just mash room in front of our eyes 💔

[@TheSamkelisiwe]

Men need to hold on to their masculinity by all means possible. Our society needs men at the best version of themselves. Mina nje iyangichaza indoda enomthetho futhi eyaziyo indawo yayo in the family structure. Men nowadays want to be 'the head' but dont know how to lead.

[@mustaphahassanally3793]

Pen wiboza boy nice content always 👌

[@HopeMashobane]

She's a good listener.

[@thomasprogli3372]

Although she should do the talking as a guest. Says a lot about the interviewer.

[@sibusisobhebhe7490]

@@thomasprogli3372it is not an interview, she say she wants a conversation

[@mahlaperamahloko2517]

Great conversation. On the issue of initiation schools among the Xhosa Christians, my take is that as long as they don't eat food offered to the idols and consume blood. This is according to the Book Acts 15:28-29. On the issue of choice, the Bible clearly mentions that all things are permissable, but not all things are beneficial. God also says He has presented with life and death, and He says 'choose life'. Sihle is very wise, great conversation once again ❤❤

[@RealHaitota]

Thank you for another ONE

[@themoonlightkea]

I enjoyed this conversation especially the last topic🤔

[@naugoss]

Very enlightening💯

[@acceptinglife6491]

I love when you have Sihle over!

[@LoveyRammz]

We need a sihle and pen show

[@paballobutelezi5532]

I love Sihle and I agree with a lot of her views ❤

[@Incognito-s3l]

Great conversation ❤❤

[@mabhekeshnorush39]

Beautiful conversations 👌🏽👌🏽👌🏽

[@wandilebuthelezi2971]

Penuel the Black Pen deserves credit for sparking deep, esoteric conversations and challenging conventional thought. His approach inspires us to think critically about our power and place in the world. S/o for pushing the boundaries of philosophy and encouraging others to recognize the godlike potential within themselves. Psalm 82:6 (KJV) "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." Romans 12:2 (KJV) "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

[@OPED2-c6h]

9:11 if i may penuel, we as Christians believe Jesus is God ,so we are not necessarily only following a person but we are following God aswell ,as Jesus is the embodiment of God

[@MJG1017]

Great conversation Pen ! Really enjoyed and fully agree with your perspective on Masculine traits as well as the black/dark skin inferiority complexes ! On the Masculine discussion i would add that the conservative Americans are now fighting back woke agendas and Trumps election win might be a significant shift for the Masculine imperative in America.

[@princemfundo7495]

Shout out to you Guys 🇿🇦👌✌️l love the podcast so educational and planting some seeds in our African brains

[@vovobani1708]

great conversation.

[@Penuelism]

Judgement: Rebuking vs Condemnation

[@RustyONeil-r2l]

Kind read more on your/the religious studies . Hinduism is the first religion that birth all the abrahamic religions .

[@ntokozobiyela8900]

Sphesihle has a beautiful mindset, the type of mindset I teach my daughters, to question things, be knowledgeable and God fearing. She is a great asset to our nation and should 1 day consider getting into the leadership of this country via parliament or goverment. Just a correction Penuel, Christianity we are not following a person in Jesus Christ's. We are following His teaching which are God inspired. Who is God in this instance, the Triune God (God the Father, God the Son Jesus Christ and God Holy Spirit) So Jesus Christ is God, who took the nature of man, to redeem us from our fall. When he lived here in planet earth, He lived as God-man. He is the only one out of all religious formations who died and rose again. There is no other.

[@keo-xj4lp]

wonderful episode

[@Demawi650]

Sihle is our very own Candice Owens❤❤❤

[@mphahamankunyane2804]

Last minutes was dope Pen❤🇱🇸

[@BetterThanYesterday_za]

I agree on not making it a standard and pushing it on others.

[@Cancerous.Romancer]

Great show 👏 👍 👌 🙌 ❤️ 😇😎

[@lebothomas]

The Hebrew God is referred to as Yahweh (יהוה), a personal and covenantal name revealed to Moses in Exodus 3:14 ("I Am Who I Am"). This name signifies God's eternal, self-existent nature and is central to Jewish theology. In contrast, the name "Allah" simply means "The God" in Arabic and lacks the personal covenantal aspect found in the name Yahweh. While "Allah" is linguistically related to the Semitic root El (used in biblical terms like Elohim), the specific name Yahweh is absent in Islamic theology and scripture.

[@herbertmnisi7633]

Great Conversation, Love you Sihle...Pen can you have a Sit Down with Dineo Ranaka please..

[@CaribaSoul]

Are you serious 😂😂😂😂

[@NMC1634]

​@@CaribaSoulPlease go and watch her conversation with Ntsiki Mazwai. You'll be blown away 🤞🤞. If you put aside your preconceived idea/ perception of who you think she is, and open your heart, you'll be amazed. Dineo is very very intelligent. I am yet to watch Part 2 of that conversation. After watching it please come back here and tell me what you think😊.

[@NMC1634]

I agree with you. He must bring Dineo! She's a powerhouse. Very intelligent, well spoken lady. I can listen to her all day.b

[@CaribaSoul]

@@NMC1634 Also consider that she's been in media space for longest of times, that's why "she's well spoken" but I don't loose sleep over supposed intelligence. Bring me someone with authentic character whose decorated then we can talk.

[@NMC1634]

@@CaribaSoul Fair response.

[@MlokothoLanga8]

Let me like before I listen to this later on, enkosi Sihle and the team ngobuyela kwelikhasi libaluleke kangaka.

[@tutumvalelwa3283]

Love Sihle❤❤❤❤

[@theesamasambit]

Wait until i get my chance to be invited to the podcast too...

[@lavaconda_]

Sihle hasn't really done a deep dive into these topics, but her heart is in the right place. Once she has done the necessary research, she will be an unstoppable force. Keep it up mogirl.

[@sbahlepops5619]

This comment is unnecessary. There's a trend in SA, especially black Twitter, where people always have to prove their depth, feminism & wokeissm even to the extent of not understanding their fellow SA'ns from different social backgrounds. You may not be Sihle's target, but others are. Find the person who speaks to you & don't belittle others.

[@sbahlepops5619]

Unneccessary. There are people she reaches & understand & find her insightful, This comment is unnecessary cause you could just go to those who've done a deep dive

[@karldrogo9765]

This comment itself is surface level and provides zero insights but we move from people who can give criticism but cannot put their neck out and receive it...

[@thapelo6796]

😂😂 “Xhosa guys come as you are, you will repent”

[@yaonemogwere6995]

Cassper catching strays 🤣😂🥱

[@siphiwomanana8666]

Dope episode

[@sbahlepops5619]

When we talk about masculinity, we need to distinguish between toxic masculinity vs. positive masculinity.

[@mpumimdluli5894]

So, human beings are capable of doing horrible things to each other whether male or female but as society we've made these term "toxic masculinity" and ignored "toxic femininity" as if women are the are the holly species and man are the only ones who do horrible things. So inasmuch as we talk about toxic masculinity we need to also talk about toxic femininity whereby women intentionally do things that provokes man using their beauty and then play victim when man are reacting.......

[@velaphithewarrior6498]

There's no such a crap as toxic musculinity ...there's only aspects of musculinity that are just like in everything... including femeninity ......

[@MossNteo]

Where did you learn that? You just accept things without applying own thinking

[@mduduzintuli4717]

You platform promotes freedom of intellectual conversations on controversial issues and this is exemplary to that fact. Sihle needs some assistance in scripture referencing her points to improve her apologetics. I would love to be part of next conversation to further elaborate on Christology in relation to "theology" and culture. As for gender identity; cultural norms differ depending on a particular society. In fact Jesus wore a dress and Zulu male traditional clothing is what would be considered a skirt in the contemporary world. Much to discuss. Great rekevant conversation.

[@KeaKgasi]

This was such a great & educational conversation 👏🏾👏🏾 My only question is after all this and realising standards set by culture & a system that is against black people. What then should we reference & what standard should we be living by , the campus keeps moving.

[@msizigwala2516]

The point about the cash kontant boys is spot on and disturbing because I also observed it 😢😩

[@katlegomokgethi7484]

Rebuke and correct. Interesting words, which I would normally find as a Christian in church. Though what I've come to realize is that as Christians, some find it hard to repent. Repentance goes a long way with many misunderstandings. "My understanding, stand to be corrected" Repentance it is when one is no longer attached to the sin committed and the for one has repentanted. Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. It's for Christians to pray for sinners to be dettached from sin. Any one can be attached to not aiming high in this challenging times. Dettach from sin. Attach to aim!

[@nkululekoshaunthusi4893]

Pen, you have the mind of someone who can do a lot for the black South African community. Your answer at the end, about darkskinned Africans being at the bottom of the barrel really touched me cause it’s all true. How can we change this? My answer would be to have great leaders in SA community who can implement their ideologies. You seem like a bruh who could thrive. I support your ideas. What are you doing to get into those spaces of leadership and implement your ideas so the black community can rise? I would support that one hundred percent. Sometimes all you need is an idea and a plan, and a community of people to support it. I mean la KwaZulu we have a King but I don’t think he thinks like you and has the power anymore. There is power in numbers, I think you have the mind but what are you doing to get the numbers?

[@kabelo_riba]

I loved the Muslim convo ,please consider inviting a Muslim man maybe we might learn a thing or two.

[@S.P.H.E]

Sbonge 🙌🏾

[@leonkazadi7843]

Which South Africa is Sihle living in ? She is by far spiritually mature and wiser than the rest of women in this country! Wow

[@BONGANIMO]

Wow.... she's intriguing on that Identity band.

[@HighlyFav]

1:16:20 Beautification has always existed even before people were influenced by western standards. Most cultures have history of this throughout the world.

[@thapelo-jl5pk]

Aii no Sihle is very thoughtful and wise I must say, respect her so much for standing for something and intentionally but the black pen 2 it easy on her 😅😅

[@BOBOZAm111]

A beautiful conversation it was ❤❤ Pen please bring Hakeem Endorson

[@momentseane1949]

Today i have been clarified on the role of hip hop

[@nomfundoaphiwe]

The history of makeup and high heels is that it was first worn by men, as a sign of status and to inhance their appearance.

[@BONGANIMO]

Nothing as deadly as a staunch believer. Love her passion tho❤️🙏

[@Captured000]

Pen ..where can we buy the tshirt bro

[@lesetjatshego5717]

Pen tell african people the truth about our new year which starts on 21 to 23 September so we are in 2025🎉 as African people

[@phamphiletsoalo6101]

Well there are monitizable aspects of things that we are dominant in but unfortunately we do not control the full aspects of those things like you said sports, culture and talent. Those things won't do us any good until we actually own them like others own theirs. Minirals and raw material should also be one of those things. Poeple like President Trouré are those qe can aspire to be.🤷🏽‍♂️ 1:33:50

[@velaphithewarrior6498]

Pen can you please have Dr Izak khomo historian on your show bro

[@Steadgro]

54:30 no sound

[@hicallmefrank]

Huh, funny because I'm always "picking fights" with my Christian friends and just yesterday I had a discussion about this with one of them. I'm glad to see these discussions in the public domain especially among Southys.

[@Bright-r4n]

Pen needs to give his guests time to answer questions without interjecting. It's like he likes listening to himself

[@Penuelism]

@@Bright-r4n she asked me for a conversation instead of an interview.

[@thapedimojapelo5419]

Try to listen in the future, this is not an interview but a conversation

[@afroteen4647]

True

[@Bright-r4n]

@Penuelism Noted, was just saying. Nice show, by the way, brother.👌

[@Bright-r4n]

@thapedimojapelo5419 The fact that I commented means I listened and hoped to hear more from the guest.

[@xolanitmabuza5090]

I agree with her , we are Adam & Eva That's all

[@Dimitriibe]

very good question she raised about Islam and muslim, I paused to search it. Islam and Muslim are not the same, but they are related: Islam is the religion, and Muslim is the term for someone who practices Islam

[@AfeniblackBrand]

Afeni black will be interviewed soon here, just waiting to release the book BLACK NATION KNOW YOURSELF

[@lavaconda_]

We must protect Pen for that last speech about blacks.

[@Penuelism]

@@lavaconda_ danko ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽

[@officiallivestream123]

Tip for 2025: please try to sound less distracted by your surroundings leave your director to what happens behind the scene 🙏🏽

[@lesetjatshego5717]

Our year as African people starts in 21 to 23 September so we are in 2025🎉

[@lesetjatshego5717]

Not January, January is for western countries

[@Sihle505]

those two are getting emotional this lady and the other guy at back when pen told this guy that "you wish to be a vulture" you can tell that both of them knows nothing about animal kingdom they are so quick to get emotional and defensive keep spitting those bars I salute you.

[@sbongahadebe97]

In actuality, we do have a Christian church that is very similar to Islam in South Africa. The women are submissive, men are usually polygamists as well. The respect of self and others is held at a high regard. Although it leans more to Africanism, it is very much a Christian church. It is called the Nazareth Baptist Church, better known as kwaShembe. As Penuel had already mentioned, Christianity, Islam and Judaism are all Abrahamic religions. It is no surprise that there are many similarities among them. The only difference is that some still hold their values, unapologetically.

[@skhumalo3971]

With all due respect Shembe is not a Christian church. True Christian churches profess Jesus Christ as the only Way to God not Shembe.

[@Princess_Lehlohonolo]

Arabiv is the most complex language to translate. A slight lower tone can mean something different hence Arabic is important to us to understand and learn in order to uphold the authenticity of the Quran

[@thisisntokozo]

The Quran is a false book... Jesus is God

[@FIKAMAHLOBO]

WHAT I can say people must do their research because ther are so many book that are published about religion, once you do that you will see how much you don't know.

[@phathutshedzonevhungoni2951]

L23:24 This is how u correct/judge someone the main thing is to help thing this verse gives the blueprint Matthew 18:15-20: "If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector"

[@ManinSilver]

Penuel my brother , I hope and pray to Allah that you become Muslim. You have spoken what Islam really is and not what the media wants Islam to be.

[@otherspectre1879]

If you appreciate that he is speaking the truth about Islam then that is all that matters. The whole "I hope you convert" thing is what makes religions unlikable, and also it contradicts scripture by judging somebody elses religion.

[@ThePanel_1]

On the principle part Pen is spot on, lobola does not have a price tag, even if It's 2 goats.

[@Mncedisir1]

In our African way of life we don’t have two people coming together it’s always about Union of families , hence inyongo is improtant in that union of the families the two characters are just that. Hence they will always be accountable to the family.

[@Princess_Lehlohonolo]

As a black muslim ,uright pen We are not regarded as muslims if we dont believe in jesus When we pray we pray to God Allah , Muhammed swt we try to fellow his lifestyle, character n morals Our polygamy fundamentally steams from assisting a suffering widowed women with children. We muslims are basically practicing othodox Christians, if we judge from the 10 commandements

[@thisisntokozo]

You're clearly confused...if you know how much the Quran stole from the bible

[@elijahsokoni7997]

There is no polygamy in Othordox Christianity either. Believing in Jesus is not the issue, it's about believing who he said he was. The claims he made about God and Himself. Muhammad had a very questionable character and morals, I dont think you would want to follow him in this time and day.

[@Ikhayalemiphefumulo]

Pastors also wear dresses which may translate to the same commedy dress skits

[@kanzo_king5192]

😂😂😂 "asifun' ok'khalayo"...that the first I've heard of this