DOF Reality, New Motors, Pricing & Availability | Upgrade Path for Flight Sim Pilots Announced!

[@cyrilgpilot]

H3r already ordered! Can't wait to see your review. 🤞 Everything is perfect.

[@davidmuir6849]

@@cyrilgpilot you’ll be amazed it’s fantastic 👍

[@HomesickforAlaska]

I have had my P3 since April of 2022, I had a few minor issues which Igor personally helped me out with via email so quickly that I was shocked. After having the rig for a few months I was not happy with the "stuttering" with small movements and contacted Igor about what I could do, after sending Igor telemetry from the testing program, it was determined that the rig was operating within parameters but I was still not happy with the stuttering. Igor offered to send me the new (at the time) SFU gear boxes at a discount, in fact I was one of the first people to get the SFU gear boxes. I installed the new gear boxes and was much happier with the increased smoothness but I do still get a small amount of what I call "Stuttering" with very small or very slow movement's. While I am very happy overall with my P3 I will be upgrading to this new system as soon as possible.

[@chaadlosan]

This is how you support your customers.

[@GYGOtv]

Thanks for another Shout Out Mark!!! Appreciate you letting your viewers know about me and my channel. We need to get you on GYGO sometime down the road.

[@PoorYurik]

I absolutely *love* my H3 for flying. Motion greatly enhances everything, and layering on additional experience boosters like the SRS hurricane wind kit, a haptic seatpad, a buttkicker on the pedal plate, FFB Flightstick (ex. VPForce Rhino), etc. makes it truly amazing.

[@baomao7243]

Watching the moving DOF platform in the background reminded me of claymation

[@steeltribe3967]

Thanks, great video. Ordered my upgrade :)

[@1DuKk1]

Just pulled the trigger on updating my DOF H3K. Thanks mark for your video. Was waiting to hear on the announcement and thanks to you I got the additional 10% off 😃👍

[@SkyenetT999]

Another great review Mark. You are costing me a fortune with your reviews..Very happy with my Wired2fire PC, Pimax Headset and NLR HF8 pad. Ordered a DOF H3 unit last night. Bit worried as I have still not received a confirmation e-mail. Also tried subscribing to their newsletter and that also said there should be a confirmation email. UPDATE All sorted through DOF Reailty Chat

[@SkyenetT999]

Got onto DOF Reality Chat and all confirmed and hopefully delivery for end August, which would be great. Hopefully no holdups at UK Customs

[@davidmuir6849]

@@SkyenetT999 You’ll be amazed it’s fantastic with the right tuning

[@r44heliflyer]

Hello Mark, it might be worth doing a follow up video on the upgrade, particularly the firmware mods & parameters to the control unit that are required. You don't find out about this until after placing your order and most people will find the 7 pages of instructions daunting. There's at least one user struggling with the power on reset positioning. I'm expecting 2 upgrade motors by the end of September.

[@tasercs]

Personally, I was about to part with a frankly massive amount of cash for an H6. Unfortunately, my built in 'caution' warning is now preventing me. There are too many variables, too much doubt and too much feeling like I am still part of a beta program. Sadly, that sort of cost is just too much for a gamble. Even an email to DOF Reality to clarify postage/import costs etc ended with me being more confused than when I started... On an unrelated point, I strongly feel the warranty should be more than 1 year. I just don't have the confidence I heed to part with £6000. That is frustrating as I know how good this experience would be - I can see it and hear it in your voice Mark 😀

[@Lt.Pinata]

Love the way the issue is belittled by Igor at 19:00. Anytime you come in for a landing on either GA in MSFS or in DCS, especially carrier landing the things steps like crazy. It is not only when artificially creating the scenario, sorry. But, if you don't feel it, great. I did immediately when i got it running and even before i read all the stuff on forums etc... The other thing is that the shipping to get the new motors out to Australia (which i'll have to pay for) and the old motors back,(which i'll also have to pay for even though i did that once already for motors with a known issue) will make it quite expensive plus the cost of the new motors themselves, and all associated taxes, i don't know if it's even worth it. But, at least DOF reality have done something i guess.

[@stevebean3057]

Great video - thanks Mark. About to order the H2 plus seat - anyone in UK know how much customs etc will be??

[@tomlewis509]

Wow, they really needed to think through the release before they sent out their email! The email directs you to "click here" to order, taking you to their website and you then screw around trying to find how to order the upgrade. After watching this video, we now know the only way to place an order is by contacting their support. Why not just say that on the website?

[@networkgeekstuff9090]

Hi Mark, I have a question that you are uniquely quallified to answer. I own the next level racing's boeing flight seat you reviewed about a year ago here on this channel (that "boeing military" green simpit). Do you think that seat is good enough for mounting on DOF reality platform? Looking for saving a buck if I ever order the DOF H2/3. And I understand I will probably get some metal sheet and drill some adapter holes, but my point is more about if you can imagine this seat being safe on the H2/H3, since it has seat belts, but not sure how violent the H2/H3 movement can be on hinges of a chair that was not designed for movement. Thanks in advance if you answer!

[@SimHangerFS]

@@networkgeekstuff9090 I am using one of those seats now. Works fine. The only issue is the back rail of the DOF unit doesn’t line up. I had to drill a larger slot to fit the chair mounting points.

[@MikeInExile]

23:00 I have a P6 with the SFU gearboxes. I'd be interested in the gearbox upgrade, but I'm NOT going to pay shipping both ways on 6 perfectly good motors just to have them install the new gearboxes. I'm an A&P mechanic, an electronics technician, and a certified avionics technician -- I have NO problem with installing the new gearboxes myself. DOF Reality should provide that as an option for people out there like **me** who don't mind doing the work themselves.

[@lesbarwick7440]

Also remember those that dont have the motors with brakes this upgrade will include this with the adavantage the platform will now be locked.

[@idiscovertv]

What about a video of how to replace the motors ? I had one hell of a game building my rig!

[@ResetXPDR]

I am struggling with the economics of this upgrade. While it appears you can save some money by returning your existing motors in exchange for the new ones, the shipping costs are killing the deal for me being in Australia with $90 of that $100 refund per motor going towards shipping the items back ie. a net $10 saving. Shipping to the USA is not much better at $70. Even ignoring the shipping costs, I am paying $200 for a motor and reducer gearbox just to get the reducer gearbox which is all I actually want. If I was ordering new it only costs $100 extra per motor to get the new gearbox. Now I know Igor says he wanted to give customers a reasonably simple swap over by the way DOF Reality has packaged this, but what I, being reasonably adept with tools and mechanical stuff, really want is to be able to order the gearboxes at $100 a pop plus much less shipping (because there's no heavy motors to send) and put the new gearboxes in myself. As it currently stands, I have to shell out nearly $1100 to get three new gearboxes shipped to me attached to motors I don't want and not bother returning anything because the savings aren't worth it. What I'd like is pay $300 for three gearboxes only plus say another $100 max shipping and end up paying only 1/3 of the cost for the current arrangement. Yes, I'd have to install them myself but I've got $700 saved to compensate me for my effort. Does anyone else want the same upgrade arrangement? @DOF Reality - can I have this instead?

[@SimHangerFS]

@@ResetXPDR fair comment.

[@ResetXPDR]

@@SimHangerFS Rather than just complain about it, I have emailed DOF Support and Sales outlining what I said above and I have requested to be able to order just the gearboxes and install them myself. I'll let you know how it goes.

[@ResetXPDR]

I heard back from DOF Reality about the possibility of having the gearboxes only shipped and was told it would not be possible without any further explanation as to why. As I really notice the cogging issue and want it fixed, I have begrudgingly gone ahead with the order of three gearbox/motor combinations with no return shipping (because it's not cost effective) and have asked DOF Reality that if they do have a change of heart and offer the shipping of gearboxes only before my order ships then to change it to that but I am not very hopeful that will happen. Nonetheless, I am looking forward to resolving this cogging issue that has been bugging me since the first day I turned my rig on a year ago!

[@SimHangerFS]

@@ResetXPDR thanks for the feedback 👍

[@Klaas_H]

@@ResetXPDR As I understand, you only need two to replace as it will not make any difference for the rear (Yaw)

[@richardPalmisano]

Hello my friend when he was showing the three prices I seen that the H6 didn’t show the new price or is that the price 5,526 with the upgraded motors

[@dotnetdevni]

If u are buying a brand new rig is it already implemented

[@pchow6829]

Thank you Mark. Is it smooth and quiet for jets in addition to GA airplane simulator?

[@SimHangerFS]

@@pchow6829 some noise, mainly from the fan in the control box, but not so it would disturb anybody.

[@markleger9238]

Ok so based on my understanding, when people used to reommend the P3 over the H3 because of the reliability is no longer needed because this new H3 model is just as reliable. Aside from the P3 being beefer for commercial use is there a performance difference between the H3 and P3?

[@SimHangerFS]

@@markleger9238 h series is rated for use 3-4 hours per day, p is 8-10 hours per day.

[@julianhall2008]

I have the latest p3, as it stands at the moment as i understand it there isn't an upgrade for the p3 motors, however i can order a pair of H3 motors with the new ratio gear box and use them ? I have noticed the stepping however i have a butt kicker which masks the stepping some what . So 600 dollars , i probably wouldn't return the old motors as shipping something so heavy will be expensive. Decision time. 😂😂😂 Thanks for the video Mark 👍🇫🇷

[@lucianomicale1099]

Hi mark, do you know if with universale p6 you get the new motors?!?

[@SimHangerFS]

@@lucianomicale1099 not yet, still in development.

[@ColinDyckes]

Sounds as if the very latest upgrade with SFU gearboxes, brakes, 1000 rpm motors and the new additional 1:3 orbital reduction gearboxes addresses all issues. Glad I held off as it's a very expensive upgrade for all but those with the most recent rigs that already have SFUs, brakes and updated control electronics 😢. Are you going to upgrade and test Mark?

[@SimHangerFS]

The stepping is not a major issue for me, but I will take the plunge eventually.

[@bombaso5539]

I received mine a week before the announcement..yeah it hurts a bit because I noticed it the more I fly so I'll upgrade eventually.. I just need to know if it's covered under the extended warranty also

[@Klaas_H]

As I understand the motors are still the same1500 rpm ones but with a 1:3 gearbox attached.

[@ColinDyckes]

@@Klaas_H He says in the video interview that the motors have changed as well and to 1000 rpm hence the motor return. Otherwise there would be no reason to not simply add the gearbox to the existing motor (which I suspect would be possible).

[@Klaas_H]

@@ColinDyckes No he does not say that. The upgrade is for a different 1: 3 gearbox which is already attached to the same 1500 pm motor, however as I understand, the way it is attached could be a problem for the consumer if he wants to attached it himself. That is the reason you cannot buy and install the gearbox your self and also the reason why they take the old motor back because they will use it again.

[@gyeltsen]

Thanks for your reviews and updates, Mark. I'm curious to know whether or not you or others you know in the flight sim community have had the opportunity to try the Qubic QS-210 or QS-220 motion simulator systems, and if you might have any feedback or opinions to share on Qubic. Before I make an investment in motion simulation, I want to make sure I get the best bang for my buck, even if it costs a little more.

[@sascenturion]

Hi Mark.. Can i ask how the DOF Reality H3 feels when flying helicopters? ...particularly wondering about how it translates lift ( i.e when taking off vertically in a helo) . Thanks for another great video .

[@SimHangerFS]

Marginal as it does not have true surge & heave, surge is simulated. Still great though, but the H6 has it all.

[@sascenturion]

​@@SimHangerFS that's what i suspected 👍 ...thanks for the reply😊

[@dabneyoffermein595]

Why wasn't this caught during their first testing by their QC?

[@royevans1882]

Because it was originally designed for racing sims and not flight. It’s not an issue when racing.

[@1smiter]

@@royevans1882 Don't think there is much truth to that statement. One of the first adds showed a guy in a flight suit and helmet.

[@Soarbywire]

@@1smitertheir biggest market wasn’t flight simmers (until MSFS 2020)

[@kriskalisgames]

I have an H3k and can't say I notice cogging. What's the best way to recreate it in msfs? I want to see if it's really an issue for me and if the "upgrade" is worth it.

[@SimHangerFS]

If you have not noticed it, then it’s not an issue. Fly on autopilot and change heading by 4 deg.

[@kriskalisgames]

@SimHangerFS , so I took an airliner up for the first time and gave it a gentle bank angle with the buttkicker turned off. I place a camera to record the motors movement. I understand what cogging is now and can understand why flight simmers would want to have a smoother gear box. I'm going to wait to see what others have to say about this upgrade and if it's going to be worth the trouble.

[@xjrthirteen]

The information DOF Reality are providing, regarding upgrading the motors, is misleading at best. I contacted them regarding upgrading my pitch and roll motors, and was told that I'd need just the motors and nothing more. I questioned the lack of brake on my current set up (older sfu type) and was then told that I would need and extra component. As the cost was minimal I agreed, opting for the 'none return' option, and they sent me an invoice for $740. I paid the invoice but, a short time later, I received a further email telling me that I would need to uphrade my yaw motor, as it was the old 'non sfu' type, which would be another $300! I told them that the information they are providing on social media is misleading, and I've cancelled my order. Rather concerning is that they haven't replied to my cancellation email.

[@SimHangerFS]

@@xjrthirteen Not good. Sorry I have no influence on their support operations. I will raise it though.

[@xjrthirteen]

@@SimHangerFS thanks Mark. I realise that you have no influence, I was just letting people know my experience so they were aware.

[@nashfan1000]

Problem is Mark I just got this email from dof with your video and the dof 10 discount was over August 22nd and today is August 29th the first day I ever got the email from them is it still available? Also will they send the new Motors and let you get your platform up and running before you send the old ones back for a refund so you are not having your platform down for 4 to 6 weeks? Thank you

[@SimHangerFS]

@@nashfan1000 I can’t answer for the discount, but I understand you get the new motors first…then return the older ones.

[@Skychaser67]

What i would love to see is a sim-rig with removable headrest, i play exclusively in VR (Pimax Crystal) and the headrests are always in the way and restrict free head movement. Maybe its just me but i hate to have to lean forward to be able to look up, its so immersion breaking when the headset wobbles because it bumps against the f***** headrest.

[@1smiter]

i have a 2010 Honda Accord seat bolted to my P3 and the headrest pops right out. Got the seat from a junkyard for $80. They are happy to sell them because they normally get crushed with the car.

[@shi4stone]

Is there any instructions video that shows how to replace the motor? Also did I hear it right that Igor suggested to change only 2 motor for H3 and leave the rear motor untouched?

[@SimHangerFS]

Yes only two motors, no need to change the rear (Yaw) motor. There are assembly instructions, but I expect DOF to create upgrade videos.

[@1smiter]

Replacing the motors is pretty cut and dry. Calibrating in the software is the worst part imo. I have the sfu upgrade for my rear motor but never bothered with it. I honestly don't think im missing much.

[@CaptainHelisim]

Here's a question -- my experience with real helicopters is that they vibrate -- sometimes a lot, sometimes a little -- but they all do it. It occurred to me that getting one of those vibrating pads like the Haptic might make sense. So even though helicopters ideally have the *least* motion as in a stable hover and would be susceptible to DOF's stepping issue, would it not be the case that putting a Haptic in between your body and DOF would eliminate noticing? Instead of upgrading 6 motors, wouldn't one $200 Haptic pad basically solve the problem?

[@SimHangerFS]

A matter of personal choice. I have both.

[@likes2fly]

great video as always. I would have liked to seen the demo of the platform more in depth. So at the beginning of the video I thought I wouldn't be able to upgrade but watching the entire video it sounds like everyone can upgrade is that correct? I have a 2019 h6 with the sfu gear box upgrade no motor brakes, can I upgrade? If I'm correct I will need new motors/gearboxes/and control boxes is this correct?

[@SimHangerFS]

Yes, from what you said that seems correct.

[@shi4stone]

For someone who do not want to stay away from the DOF, is it possible to pay 300 for the new motor and then return the old one after installed the new for a 100 refund?

[@SimHangerFS]

You can get the new motors for $200 first if you intend to send back the motors. DOF understand this and it is done on a trust basis.

[@shi4stone]

I think this should be the way but that’s not what DOF support told me.

[@shi4stone]

@@SimHangerFS I can confirm the DOF standard process is to ask me to send the old motor first (with picture and tracking numbers), THEN they send the new one. I understand a pure trust-based approach would be hard to execute, but I don't think their current approach is very customer friendly at all. So I suggest to them to change the approach and charge 300 each first and then refund 100 upon receiving the returned motor. (cannot imagine myself waiting for the new motor for another month AFTER disabling the DOF seat)

[@ResetXPDR]

@@shi4stone This ended up being a moot point for me as shipping to Australia is $70 per motor, so I save $30 ($100 - $70) by sending it back first then waiting a couple of weeks at least before I get the new units. IMO I'm better off keeping my old motors as spares and have no downtime rather than such a small net saving.

[@shi4stone]

@@ResetXPDR i have reached the same conclusion.... and placed the order for new ones

[@atrcraze7988]

so if i understand it correct, so if i order the H3 now, do i get the new upgrades ? :)

[@SimHangerFS]

@@atrcraze7988 yes sir 😀 providing you order aviation or helicopter section

[@markleger9238]

​@SimHangerFS what about the racing H3?

[@SimHangerFS]

@ racing does not need the new motors

[@peter1376]

Did the SFU always include the electronic brake?

[@SimHangerFS]

I don't know. Best check with DOF

[@dabneyoffermein595]

The H3 (Flight) in this video he said $3,120 usd for the new & improved model (flight issues fixed), but on their website it shows the H3 (Flight) cost at $3,727 USD? Any thoughts?

[@SimHangerFS]

@@dabneyoffermein595 I just had a look, my prices are in £, now slightly cheaper (exchange rate fluctuation I guess) £2362? H3

[@dabneyoffermein595]

@@SimHangerFS that converts to $3120 so that's very odd.

[@SimHangerFS]

@@dabneyoffermein595 might be best to email them…you’re not looking at Canadian dollars are you?

[@VitalyKruglov]

​@@dabneyoffermein595It looks like your price probably includes shipping. For the UK, it’s extra.

[@kenbarthSimAV8tor]

How much $ not that I can afford it 🙂 is this platform any good with TV monitors 65 inch or best withVR ?

[@rmm9676]

For FLIGHT SIMULATION, you will want to go with 55" TVs to match real life size instrument panel being presented on screen. Larger is also not suitable for distance from the screen.

[@nemisis_wolf]

All motion simulators are BEST With VR! So much more immersive in VR But can still work well in triple screen set up but you do lose a lot of immersion in triples

[@SimHangerFS]

Best in VR, but many use it with monitors. Just note that large monitors would need a separate stand.

[@dotnetdevni]

So is this all just one cable a presume there is a hub

[@SimHangerFS]

Control Box, multiple connections

[@1smiter]

One usb to pc, DOF psu connects to the motors. 3 motors/cables per psu.

[@ht6501]

Do you get the chair with the H3r as well?

[@nemisis_wolf]

You can add it as an optional extra

[@SimHangerFS]

No you don’t. I purchased a third party option.

[@Agima2]

I'm not new to motion rigs, I already have one (DIY SFX) for racing. Igor said in this video - if someone is desperate for a P6 with the upgrade, then email and we'll work it out. So, I did. They replied (clearly not having actually read my email) with a link to buy the H6R. I replied again pointing out it was a P6 I wanted, they replied saying no timeline for P6R. I'd just need to wait an unknown period of time. This isn't the first interaction I've had with them and they seem so difficult to get any answers out of. If this is what they are like when I'm literally trying to give them money, it makes me wonder what it will be like after I have. They should be at their best at this point in the sales process. Igor needs to start making sure his support team are signing the same tune he is.

[@jayphi4095]

DOF reality is cheating you, they provide what they say is an « affordable » platform but with ridiculous motion ranges unable to realize complex moves with enough ranges, they provide very basic components and you have to add options and options and options to get at the end of the day and a lot of money more what you could get for the same price or less from the beginning in another system. In addition the weight capability is ridiculously weak and the whole thing looks more to a toy than to a real motion platform. Only advantage is the limited space it occupy. After spending many months evaluating all providers for a 6DOF, including DOF reality H6 and P6, I’ve reached the conclusion that a lever geared with no brake system is not to buy. So I’d preferred selecting a linear actuator DIY system for quite the same price as the P6 but with comfortable more than 600mm motion ranges, allowing real acceleration sensation using surge in pitch while getting enough spare for heave acceleration and pitch speed emulation and almost a 250kg lift ability to install all my controls, NLR flight seat HOTAS and MFDs…..For sure it occupies more room but all software are free, no SRS licence, including motion compensation and having built the actuators, based on COTS cheap components and the rig myself from the kit I’m able making the maintenance without any problem. 🤗 So think twice before investing…..

[@davidmuir6849]

I have an H2 and think it’s superb in vr . Regards Dave Caa licensed aircraft engineer Ex Raf Private pilot 😊

[@lukebraddford3287]

Adding yaw though to a system like that would be pretty expensive

[@737sst]

@jayphi4095 Care to enlighten us about the lineair system you selected?

[@yannwymann8796]

Have a H3 for Sim Racing and I am happy with it. It s really convincing in Vr. I play mostly AMS2 and Dirt rally 2.0. But I m really curious about the DIY 6dof you found 🤔. I ve made a lot of research before buying a h3 from Dofreality and I couldn't find a DIY project that looked competitive for the price. I would be really happy if u can enlighten me

[@hitman-yu1wm]

can you show your platform in action?

[@critical_always]

So... he was selling a sub standard system and knew about it. Got it.

[@underbelly69]

Upgrade M2 motors?