Simracing FOV analysis - comparing Single Monitors, Triple Screens and Super Ultrawide Field of View

[@john-o]

This is far and away the best video i have seen comparing triples against ultrawides! Thank you so much for putting this together!

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you! It was a really fun project to put together - the idea came to me a while back, but it took a while for my editing skills to catch up and make it reality. I'm really glad you enjoyed it!

[@chris-ej6dw]

100’s of comparisons on this. You have the best video. Thank you. Triple 32” it is!

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you Chris! I watched a few comparisons and none were presented in a very intuitive way to me so I dreamed up this concept for a super consistent view (since it's the same base video) with the graphic overlays on top. Took a few weeks to figure out how to do it, but it was fun and I hope has answered a lot of questions from racers. And yes, triple 32s it is indeed! Thanks for your support ❤️

[@WhippyWhipGaming]

i have tried all of them including VR, i finally settled on the samsung g9 super ultrawide, in general it's the best overall compromise, unbroken picture, good fov, good compatibility, ease of setup etc etc

[@DrAlanQuan]

Yeah, a super ultrawide definitely has a very sleek and clean look. I thought about getting one for the studio and actually this video was partly for me to test out for myself and sort of "try before you buy". Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@johnseyerle]

You don’t need triples with a SUW and you use the radar function available in-game or as an add-on. I race very close without triples and I have awareness via 1) radar 2) sound 5.1 3) instinct.

[@Dominicyu89]

@@johnseyerle any free radar for iracing？ thanks

[@marijn17s]

@@Dominicyu89racelabs has one

[@m.t.8144]

@@johnseyerle still inferior to triples in that statement you have admitted that you need to rely on 3factors that you will have to take a gamble on rather then one major factor that triples give which is proper visual of whats going on around you in fast pace game …

[@user-ny7rr6ky1h]

Love this type of video - saves everyone a lot of hassle / time/ money testing it out themselves. Awesome editing and sequencing as usual, Dr Alan!

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you for your kind encouragement! It means a lot to me!

[@jeepld]

You just published the best video on this topic, hands down! Thank you, it was very helpful for my final purchase decision 🙏🏼

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you so much! I did a real life version of this video recently with a few different race scenarios as well, but the conclusions are the same. Enjoy your new triple monitors! Thanks for reaching out, I'm really glad I could help

[@jeepld]

@@DrAlanQuan Right after, I also looked your real life version ;) It sealed the deal on triple 32’ configuration !

[@seattime4075]

I have raced everything including VR with a 8KX. Finally settled on three 50 inch screens and love them. Just so comfortable and easy to use.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Dang that's awesome. I'm curious about the 50s - since they're so much bigger than 32s, is the installation/alignment any more difficult? I'm guessing at the very least, it's a 2 person job to put each monitor on its stand, but what about getting them level, matching corner heights etc?

[@seattime4075]

@@DrAlanQuan I was going to do the usual 32inch setup, but after seeing Karl Gosling and Boosted Media setup, decided to go as big as I could fit in my space and add a 'booth' setup were everything else is blacked out - great for immersion. I think it is amazing and for comfort, edge to edge clarity and FOV, rivals any current VR headset (but no 3D image for close cockpit views etc) - although that may change in the future. I built my stands from a track racer setup, which I modified so that they can fit/support these big screens and be screw adjusted in the required three directions (I think you can purchase commercial version of these brackets). There are also hooks on the screen part of the frame so initially they can easily just be clipped on/off and then fixed onto the main frame by one person. If interested kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2evZ62ufN6fj6s. All the best.

[@DrAlanQuan]

@@seattime4075 wow, kudos on what you've built. A lot of personalised design for your needs which is what I like to see

[@graemebrown5540]

Excellent video, exactly what I needed to know without padding. I was about to buy an ultra wide, but triples is clearly the way to go.

[@DrAlanQuan]

From a strictly functional perspective I agree completely! Ultrawides have their place but their FOV capabilities are limited, and I wanted to prevent buyer's remorse for people who hadn't appreciated the difference before buying Good luck with your upgrade!

[@FrenchSe7en]

A note that is not spoken about, the sense of speed is WAY better with triples and imporved with 32" monitors

[@DrAlanQuan]

Ah yes, something I don't really think about, but enjoy unconsciously every time I drive

[@RabbitConfirmed]

these "bezel invisibler" really makes a whole difference! While it's not perfect, I find it looks more immersive than having the thick black monitor bezels! Amazing!

[@DrAlanQuan]

They're very cool! I've only just started to play with them but the effect is really impressive. I raced just fine without them for years so they're not game changers, but they are very cool!

[@darrylcote3971]

Went triple 32's with bezel free a few years ago couldn't go back it's a game changer now.. watch out they scratch way too easy as the film is very thin. Even resting on your leg can scratch if moved

[@martink.123]

@@DrAlanQuanAre there bezel free kits for 32 inch monitors or do you have to use adapters? Thank you!

[@DrAlanQuan]

@@martink.123 these are the Asus bezel free kits with 3D printed extensions to fit the 32"s

[@MrPippiy]

I must say, it was an absolutely fantastic watch! Kudos to the creator for your excellent work and for providing such valuable content to the simracing community. I eagerly look forward to more videos from your channel.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Your kind words are very encouraging, thank you!

[@bananaZn]

Dang I didn't expect that the triples are that much superior to the other formats, thanks for the video!

[@DrAlanQuan]

I knew triples would be better, but I was surprised by how much better as well. Thanks for commenting!

[@JohnnydeSmet-u6e]

Great vid, and I loved it started like a 90's infomercial.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Haha thanks man. Millennial here, checking in 🫡

[@Gato-Laranja-Mts]

The best video comparing triples, singles and ultra wide. Thanks

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thanks for letting me know your thoughts 😀

[@nicholasmarshall3191]

I have triple 24's. This video explains a lot of the wrecks I see, with single monitor folks not seeing cars that are close to them.

[@DrAlanQuan]

I recently sat in a rig with triple 24s. Not bad really! Better than any single screen easily

[@alecmillea4539]

Great video! Thanks for making such an effort to clearly display the differences between the common setups. I mostly race in vr but also have a 35 ultra wide. Both achieve an FOV of about 90 degrees but being able to turn your head to look around sharp turns and to see people next to you in VR makes a huge difference. I’d love to try out a triple setup to see what kind of difference having peripheral vision makes.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thanks Alec, I appreciate the kind words! As you can see from the video, having triples makes it very safe to lose positions 😂

[@alecmillea4539]

@@DrAlanQuan lol rather safely lose a position than have a crash any day 😂😂!!

[@Daniele_Lorenzi]

this video is so well done! i appreciate so much the level of video editing and transitions! amazing job you're gonna be big in the future!

[@DrAlanQuan]

Daniele, your message brings me so much joy! Thank you for watching :)

[@Daniele_Lorenzi]

@@DrAlanQuan no problem man! I have a passion for photo and video editing and i love the work so far! Just got a moza r9 and a moza KS i was planning to Just play in VR but this video Is super helpful if i want ti upgrade!

[@TradingDom1]

What a great comparison. Thank you so much

[@DrAlanQuan]

I'm so glad you thought so! Thanks for watching❤️

[@jassonco]

Trips' are always the way, whether 27" (min) 32" just right! Nice to see you take on this project.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you, that was my conclusion as well. The virtual screen overlays were a fun project - I do try to create interesting looking videos with substance to back it up - thanks for your appreciation! I'll keep the creative fires burning and get more interesting content out pronto!

[@edcullen5767]

Thanks Doc. What a eye opener.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thanks Ed, when I ran the visualisation i was surprised too! The extent of the difference is substantial.

[@jackcraters]

This highlights why it’s so important for sims to have a good radar for single screen users!

[@DrAlanQuan]

I really missed having radar when I moved onto iRacing! But with triples - no radar, no worries!

[@Darren_Martin]

Great content, Dr. Quan! Thanks for taking the time to do it. I'm trying triple 43" TVs. Only thing I need now is a good GPU like a 4090 to run them at 1080p up to 4k

[@DrAlanQuan]

Triple 43"s sound great! With the extra height and horizontal reach you have more flexibility with monitor placement (behind the wheelbase rather than on top). I think as you alluded to, the cost increases and also the processing power needed to run them at triple 4K is substantial. Epic setup though, I'm jealous! Thanks for commenting :)

[@ianchambers3473]

im running triple 43 inch lg tvs on an rtx 580 getting the full 60fps and no stuttering or issues at all on i racing or acc.....Don't need deep pockets for a super expensive GPU to go for a triple setup that simply works

[@seatslider]

@@ianchambers3473is that an rx580 from Polaris generation?

[@Matteusz768]

With good spotter like CrewChief which is essential for racing you won't loose that much with ultrawide screens comparing to triples. You won't see competitor but will hear when he's close. Immersion however is a thing where triples are winning

[@DrAlanQuan]

I agree, the spotter is very helpful and for me, essential. I find the visual cue of seeing the competitor car in my peripheral vision also to be essential, and I think only a triple setup can provide that. Thank you for watching :)

[@johnross763]

Exactly the video I needed to watch, thank you 🙏

[@DrAlanQuan]

You're very welcome, thank you for sharing your experience!

[@Captivateitmedia]

I truly feel ultra wide is still the way to go, as I’m quite sure real racers aren’t looking beside them, but infront of themselves. I tracked my sportbike, and once I pass a rider, I’m looking at the upcoming apex while in my helmet, and with helmets in cars with or without halo seats, I doubt the drivers are looking left and right… Just my personal thoughts though. But great comparison. As this helps me with what I will need to focus on when building my sim rig. Keep it up.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you for commenting! Your stance on ultrawides and practical real world FOV is a well reasoned one and I'm glad you mentioned it. I made the video to visualise what may not be intuitive for some people when making decisions for their own rigs and I think it accommodates that goal. I don't know if you've seen but I redid this video a month ago without the virtual graphics, but with real monitors which is worth a look I think! It goes through a few different race scenarios instead of just the one

[@anticalgary]

Great video. Best visual representation I’ve seen. I race on a 21:9 32 inch ultrawide and I have mapped buttons to look left and right which I use often. But perhaps one day when I have more space I will get triples- it looks like 27 inch triples would be just great!

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you so much for your kind words. Triples definitely take up space, and it sounds like you have an effective system in place for the time being. Thanks for mentioning the look left/right functionality - that's something I'd actually completely forgotten about because I haven't needed it since my Gran Turismo days.

[@andrewmilne2791]

Best video showing the comparisons, thank you

[@DrAlanQuan]

You're welcome, and thank you so much for sharing the love! I hope you have a great day

[@alphaohenriquez]

It’s been about three weeks that I went with triple 32 and it’s probably the best experience I have on the sim. Granted it’s pain to setup

[@DrAlanQuan]

The first time is the hardest! And if you never reconfigure your monitors you literally never have to set them up again. Have fun :D

[@nicholasmarshall3191]

I very much appreciate Nvidia Surround mode.

[@YTB_Aziz]

Very well done video and straight to the point much appreciated

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thanks for sharing your appreciation!

[@Afterfire999]

Good content. Id like to see this channel grow! ❤

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you so much! Some fun stuff coming really soon ❤️

[@Robin_S78]

Super ultra wide with a head tracking device is a winner 🎉

[@DrAlanQuan]

Sounds like a good set up. I do feel like triples still win out functionally because I can use my peripheral vision, and not need to physically turn my head to see the car alongside.

[@rosstaliana]

Bit late to this party, but very helpful. Thank you! Next question, how does three 1080s compare to three 1440s?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hello! 👋 Resolution is just a matter of image quality/frame rate It has no influence on FOV which was the main point of my simulation. 1440 looks better, and the hardware to run them well has been around for many years (my 3070 handles 1440 just fine) - but less powerful hardware will benefit from limiting the resolution to reduce the workload

[@mrj3217]

What FOV could I use with my 32 asus (1440p 165hz 1m curved 1800° monitor) that lets me see more and not lose distance. I sit 29 away and I use 60 fov now. I think the iracing fov calculator puts me way too close. Any suggestions?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi Mr J, if you're using a single monitor (regardless of its size or aspect ratio) and you want an accurate 1:1 FOV, you will always gain FOV by bringing the monitor closer and closer to you. The balancing act then becomes that as the monitor comes closer to you, it causes more eye strain from focusing on such a close object. I think long term, eye strain is not a worthwhile side effect of simracing so I suggest to keep the monitor a full arm's length from your eyes. The FOV will be what it is, and if you want more FOV either get a bigger, deeper curved screen - or do triples which is even better

[@mrj3217]

@@DrAlanQuan ya, I do have the screen a arm length and half a hand away. As soon as I move I will be getting two more of these Asus monitors. My PC can run them, I have it just for iracing. I appreciate your help.

[@mrj3217]

I have a curved 32 Asus tuf 1440p 165hz 1m1800 curve single monitor, could I add to smaller 27 or 24 monitors with the same 1440p 165 1m stats?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Yes you could do that, but the side view would be small compared to the main monitor. To be clear, I think it's a terrible idea. But you can mount the monitors and plug them in and the world will not end 😂

[@hunterh1033]

For about 2 years now I have been racing exclusively in VR initially with the Quest 2 and more recently with the Quest 3. I just had my first child last month and wanted something I could just hop into and be able to turn my head and check on her if she was with me, so I just picked up the 49" G9 and it has been a weird experience. For starters, it feels like driving in slow motion, which is probably fantastic for me hitting my braking points easier but its certainly a less exhilarating and dull experience. I'm sure over time I'll get used to it, but it will absolutely take some getting used to.

[@DrAlanQuan]

I've been thinking about getting a Quest 3 for a while now... I'm in no hurry maybe I'll just wait for a good sale. What GPU are you using to drive the Quest 3?

[@hunterh1033]

@@DrAlanQuan I upgraded BIG TIME a couple months back. I am now running a 4070 Ti Super and a 7800X3D and it's incredibly smooth. I'm able to max the resolution on the headset and have High basically everything in game and run at 90hz (fps) with about 35-50% headroom depending on the track and conditions. I previously had a 5600X CPU and a 3060Ti and it was good for running at 72Hz but with some new tracks coming out and the possibility of rain in races, I couldn't really take the chance of dropping frames, it started happening a little too often for me to be comfortable. So far on the monitor, I'm getting over 200 FPS with everything maxed out and HDR enabled, so very happy with the performance as far as that's concerned.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Dang, that's a solid PC. The Quest 3 purchase just got a whole lot more expensive! Congrats on your new parenthood and see you on track some time!

[@hunterh1033]

@@DrAlanQuan thanks, that would be awesome!

[@SynchroFPS]

Cant you just put the triple 27in closer to you and at a higher angle to achieve the same fov?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi, thanks for commenting! Yes, bringing a smaller monitor closer will increase FOV - but it can introduce other issues For me the biggest issue is as I get older, my eyes tire from focusing on a screen so close. For my best eye comfort I want the screen roughly one full arm's distance from my eyes. The second one is in my daily driver cockpit using 32s, the screens are right behind my steering wheel just close enough that I don't touch the screen with my fingers when I use the paddle shifters. To mount 27s closer than this, the 27s would be between my face and my steering wheel 😂

[@OzzCyrus]

very well done video mate. very informative. i appreciate your style and very to the point. liked and subbed :)

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thanks for reaching out and for your kind words! Always happy to meet another racer and share thoughts

[@Mentadeath]

That's very interesting, turns out for sheer realism and organic spatial awareness and safety the triple monitors are VASTLY superior. However, these shortcomings can be artificially lessened by changing fov, having virtual rear view mirror, radar showing opponent car position relative to us and spotter info. For me personally, I don't have enough reasons to go triples if not for realism rn, as I use radar, spotter and rear view mirror alltogether in acc and ams2 and I've been fairly clean and given all info that I need for safe wheel to wheel racing.

[@DrAlanQuan]

I completely agree with everything you've stated here. Like I said in the video, there's lots of good reasons to use a single monitor - and you've listed many of the tools available to make up for some of the shortcomings of a more restrictive field of view - this does really extend quite a bit beyond the intended scope of this video which was to focus on the visual information available to each configuration. Thanks for taking the time to comment!

[@RobbieDisco]

Great stuff, Alan! I am going through this now. I would love to see a mismatched monitor test. For instance a 21:9 Primary monitor and 16:9 Wing monitors.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi Robbie thank you! A lot of people have been asking about mismatched monitors which is surprising to me - I've seen people post pictures of such setups so it must work, but it just seems to add another level of complexity to the setup. Who knows, I might tackle this exact issue in future. Time will tell!

[@redtailpilot]

Although I'm primarily a flight simmer who uses VR, I thouroughly ejoyed this comparison. I use a 49'' ultrawide when not in VR. Never got too deep into sim racing (that may change now that I'm building a 6DOF motion rig, lol). If I do get into racing more, I might go the tripple screen route as well. For flight sim, VR is as close to real world that I can get when I'm not in the real cockpit (GA private pilot). Thanks for the work you've done on this video.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thanks for your kind words, I love the experience you bring to the table with your comments. I'm glad you found my visual presentation of the issue interesting and intuitive! Have fun with the 6DOF!

[@botchyman]

Great video thank you I run triple 42 and love them

[@DrAlanQuan]

Very nice! Do you mount them above your wheel or behind your wheelbase/above your feet? The extra reach around the sides from the 43s sounds great

[@camhutchison6175]

love the content it has defs given me the information i need to make a purchase on the triples

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you! They're going to be great 😀 have fun!

[@simplymentalOG]

For realism and short playtime i prefer VR, but for comfort and longer sessions i choose triple screens everytime.😎👍 The one thing i still have not found is comparisons between 3 x 32" flat, 1800R, 1500R and 1000R curved. Will be upgrading my 24" triple setup to 32" when can afford it, yet still confused as to what I'd like most, so left uneducated and still guessing for now lol. 🤣 If anyone knows of any info or comparisons like this, a link would be much appreciated 😉👍

[@DrAlanQuan]

I'm not aware of any comparisons that address your particular question but I truly believe a lot of people like to make this topic more complicated than it needs to be. All modern monitors are pretty good! At least with iRacing, any level of curve can be accounted for, and even if it isn't, the projection discrepancies in my opinion are so minor, you'll only notice them when you're looking for problems. If you set them up and start racing, no matter what you choose, you're going to have fun :)

[@simplymentalOG]

Tbh a lot of wanting to see them compared is how they wrap around, how wide in total, space getting in and out, difference if any on setup angles. The total width and getting in and out would be great information to have so can work out what will fit my needs most and what's too dangerous when not so careful friends play. Even with my 24's its a heart in mouth moment when some get in and out, even after explaining and showing how easy it is they still struggle and seem like any second they will fall into something. I have 0 issue as skinny and rather flexible, aware of my own mass, not everyone is like that.🤷‍♂️🙄🤣 Can't really tell a friend your too clumsy mate, you can't play 😬😉

[@DrAlanQuan]

@@simplymentalOG Ah yes I see. Universal issue for us all 😂

[@bloodyvladGT]

There is one more option. Ultrawide + opentrack/trackIR. Given already big enough angle tracking would just allow to look in the mirrors and it should be enough. Not sure if it won't be sickening though.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Ah yes I forgot about that, it's something I've never played with personally but I've seen it on streams and it's very interesting technology. Thanks for the reminder!

[@lukabarra1714]

I play on a 55 inch tv with trackir. At first is sickening but you get used yo it quickly if set correctly . It's almost as hood as triples. However, seeing dashboard move around while your physical wheel isn't... Is weird.

[@nickygoh]

Great video. Are you able to do one with the new Samsung 57”?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi Nicky, Samsung haven't offered to send me one to try - and at the moment I'm not considering purchasing one. Based on my simulation, I don't believe any single monitor can give the field of view I like when I race which is a big part of that - obviously that's only one factor in choosing a monitor. That being said - I do have a habit of doing things I've only recently said I won't, so if you subscribe you'll probably see a video on the 57" screen pretty soon hahaha

[@timaruoutlaws1905]

Surely you can change the field of view to put your drivers head further back to give a wider field of view.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Yes you can, but I was working with the premise that we maintain an accurate 1:1 projection of the game world from the driver's point of view. Widening the FOV will improve visibility but will be a departure from that 1:1 projection, which is fine if you want to do that, no judgement. That said, the FOV deficit from ultrawide to triples is too much to bridge with an FOV adjustment alone. It's huge. Thanks for watching!

[@timaruoutlaws1905]

@@DrAlanQuan I'm looking to buy a ultawide in the near future, mainly because i can't afford triples (which would be my preferred choice). So your video is both entertaining and informative. It has confirmed what i think i knew, the ultrawide is good choice in the absence of triples. Thanks for the video.

[@rexile1986]

what about triple 34” ultrawide? what are the pros and cons of using that set up

[@DrAlanQuan]

I think that setup would work very, very well. Cons would be cost and required processing power - I've not tried this setup personally but let me say this - check my channel again in a few weeks ;)

[@rexile1986]

@@DrAlanQuan Thank you, I'll be waiting for that video, thank you once again

[@longshot766]

​​⁠@DrAlanQuan Great video production and editing! Thanks for getting us to think about this. But the main premise is wrong. A larger screen does not show more field of view. If that was the case, then a 12 inch monitor would only show the driver’s hands (in cockpit view). Rather, a 12 inch monitor displays the same exact thing (same field of view) as a 32 inch monitor (assuming the same aspect ratio). Triple 27” monitors would show the exact same image as triple 32” monitors, just smaller.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi Phil, thank you! I liked the idea for the graphics but making it happen was a whole different story! I've given your comment some thought and I don't think either of us are wrong. Everybody is welcome to run their displays any way they want - realistic or unrealistic projection/perspective. That said, the reason there are FOV calculators (online and also within game engines) is to render perspective-correct views from the driver position. In real terms if you were restrained to a 12" screen, you would probably avoid 100% perspective correctness since it's impractical (just the driver's hands as you say). When we have larger monitors, be they single 27s, 32s, 49s, triple 32s or beyond, it becomes more feasible to run 100% perspective correct fields of view which DO scale with monitor size - hence from the driver position, no matter the screen configuration, the perspective should be the same i.e. realistic proportions and perspective. The whole concept of "FOV police" is borne of this desire to have accurate FOV from the driver's protective, but of course - your house your rules! Thanks for commenting, let me know if you have other thoughts to add, otherwise see you in the next video :)

[@Michelsen3K]

Fantastic comparison! Thanks, liked + sub 😊

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you so much! More fun videos on the way :D

[@Shoniforce]

almost a perfect video. imo its missing the virtual mirror on the top that would make single monitors quiet easier to race with.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you :) I was filming a replay and I don't think the virtual mirror can be enabled during replays - in any case, I feel the virtual mirror improves drivability equally for each monitor configuration so triples still come out vastly on top. My issue with single monitors is when it comes to door to door racing - there's a huge blind spot for single monitors where the car disappears from the virtual mirror and hasn't yet made it into view on the main screen. I've really been spoiled with triple screens :)

[@Shoniforce]

@@DrAlanQuan i agree. Triple looks so good

[@GoSu2KL]

Very informative video good job!

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you, I'm glad you liked it!

[@bluebull6]

Very informative, thank you! Would be really nice to know the approximate additional hardware requirements between each of the setups (especially single 49" vs 3x32")

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you for commenting! Hardware requirements are a tough topic to advise on since everybody has different visual quality expectations, and also different tolerance for low frame rates. For me, anything above 60fps (ideally above 90) looks pretty good! Others swear by 140+ which takes a whole lot more power to run. That said, the general hierarchy of graphics cards and CPUs is generally known. I just look at the total resolution in number of pixels to estimate the computational load. I run triple 1440s (~11 million pixels) on my 3070 at about 100fps, so that's my reference. Today I finished setting up a 9 year old Quadro K2200 on triple ultrawides and it does 40fps on ultra low settings... I don't love it, but it works

[@bluebull6]

Thank you for your answer! Did you run the triple 1440s with the 3070 and the 10700K in iRacing?

[@DrAlanQuan]

​@@bluebull6close! iRacing, triple 1440s 3070 10600KF 😂

[@bluebull6]

Thanks for the info!

[@fightingcarrot]

I seriously can’t believe the quality of your videos. Could you share thoughts on triple 55”?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Haha thank you. Triple 55 sounds great - the extra width of the monitors means the side monitors reach really far outwards - this opens up flexibility to position the main monitor above your feet instead of your wheelbase, and that means you can mount the bottom edge of the screen lower than I can with my 32s. If I had the space, triple 55 would be great! I'd want to check the specifications of the screens though. The refresh rate in particular. I've been TV shopping lately and some screens are 120Hz displays but they only accept 60Hz input. I have no idea if there's any real world issues with this, but I run 165Hz monitors now and worry about a downgrade in refresh rate. Might be a non issue, I'm not sure.

[@nunopinheiro75]

Wow Alan amazing job, thank you 👍

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you for watching and commenting :) it feels amazing for my creation to be enjoyed by others

[@McNab1986]

I went from single to VR, and I cant see how anything would beat VR. It's why I don't drive as close in VR as I know I could due to my vision, because coming from single monitor, I know how limited some people are in terms of their visibility

[@DrAlanQuan]

I could learn from you. I race fairly close because I'm pretty confident in my spatial awareness, in the heat of the moment I'm not thinking about what the other drivers can see

[@McNab1986]

@@DrAlanQuan i learned to do it, when i started putting my car in the spaces i knew it would fit, all to often i was getting turned in on, squeezed off track, or they'd turn across the front of my car and spin themselves So i just leave a buffer space now so i can react to any moments. If during a race someone demonstrates they're safe, ill race them harder, or names i recognise overtime

[@elbowsout6301]

I feel like you may have forgotten to factor in the screen resolution. If you have the same image at say 1080p on a 32 inch screen and a 14 inch screen you don't see more on the 32 inch screen you are still seeing 1920 x 1080 pixels. triple 32's would show the same image as triple 24's it would just be a smaller screen.

[@DrAlanQuan]

You're right, I didn't mention resolution, but it's because I don't think resolution plays into this at all. The physical length of the monitor is what allows you to see competitors alongside you. 32" triples at 720p would show the same FOV as 32" triples at 4K, the pixel density and hence image clarity would just take a dive. Those same 32" triples at 720p would certainly show more field of view than 24" at any resolution, since the 24s aren't long enough to even reach my ears, much less past them like my 32s. That said, I appreciate your comment for highlighting the fact I didn't address this aspect! Thanks for watching and I'll see you in the next video :)

[@CodeB4US10]

Awesome video. Thanks for sharing.

[@KingOfYing1]

Any monitor of the same aspect ratio will show the same image regardless of size or resolution. This makes your analysis quite flawed.

[@DrAlanQuan]

You've ignored the fact that FOV is a setting that can be changed. I can show you a single 32" monitor with a 40° FOV, move the FOV slider to 60° and demonstrate a wildly different image even though the monitor aspect ratio and dimensions haven't changed.

[@longshot766]

@@DrAlanQuan Great video production and editing! Thanks for getting us to think about this. But the main premise is flawed. A larger screen does not show more field of view. If that was the case, then a 12 inch monitor would only show the driver’s hands (in cockpit view). Rather, a 12 inch monitor would show the same view as a 32 inch monitor (with the same aspect ratio). Triple 27” monitors would show the exact same image as triple 32” monitors, just smaller.

[@jcmungia5224]

Moving from console to pc, thanks to your video i want to go with triple 32” screens. Can you please tell me what pc specifications i need to look for to run those screens at 1080 resolution? Tia.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi thanks for your comment, and I'm very excited for your nice to PC with triple screens. I'm no expert on PC specs so I don't think I'm best positioned to advise, but triple 1080s is a relatively light workload compared to how much modern PC's can handle which means you should be able to find something second hand, or even brand new that's very affordable yet capable

[@angelclaudio604]

Question on the ultrawide comparison, the Neo G9 is 7680 x 2160, so wouldn't the real estate for the height be more since the 32 inch in your video (G32QC) is 2560 x 1440? If so, I think an updated comparison of ultrawides in that category would be great!

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi, the 57" monitor you're talking about was not out in Australia at the time of filming - and it's phenomenally expensive (the single 57" monitor costs double what I paid for my three 32s) I asked Samsung to send me a unit to test but they haven't responded But to answer your question, yes I believe the height is comparable to a 32" but I haven't put them side by side (but remember physical size is independent of resolution)

[@angelclaudio604]

@@DrAlanQuan Thanks for the response! When I say height I'm referring to the resolution. The Neo G9 has a 2160 vertical which is more than the 32 inch in your review (1440). I would think this makes for a more attractive offering in the wide screen space, especially if you're considering a 1 display setup (cost consideration set aside). What are your initial thoughts?

[@DrAlanQuan]

I think the 57" monitor should be a very good monitor, lots of resolution, class leading image quality etc. Aside from the astronomical cost, the other consideration is the resolution needs a lot of horsepower to drive at high frame rates but thankfully graphics cards are getting faster and cheaper. But overall for my own needs, I am extremely happy with the triple 32s. I think it serves my needs better and for less money than the big single

[@marown1]

Hi Alan first of all thank you very much for this awsome video, it makes my desission much easier. Now i am looking for a triple 32" 120-144hz 2560x1440 Setup. One queston you say in the discription you use the Gigabyte G32QC, but this is a curved Monitor. In your Video you have Gigabyte Monitores but they are flat? So my Questions should i look for flat or curved monitors for a triple screen setup? Thank you again for this awsome video!

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi thank you for reaching out! They are definitely curved G32QCs, if you watch my studio tour videos (there are 2 of them - the old studio and the current studio) you can see the monitors are curved. My recommendation - which ever one is cheaper! That's how I chose the Gigabytes 😂 I honestly think flat vs curved makes no difference. The fact that some people swear flat is better while others swear curved is better just means neither is actually better. If one was truly better, NOBODY would use the inferior one. Who uses drum brakes on their performance cars? Nobody, discs are better. Who uses flat vs curved monitors? Lots of people run each. They're both fine :)

[@stickybuds05]

This is a fantastic comparison, thanks! I'm actually coming from another route for consideration - from 55" TV to possibly 49" ultrawide, mounted closer for optimum FOV. Would it be worth it? Triples not feasible, too near cupboard doors that need to open

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you for your kind words! I've not used either configuration you've described, but my analysis suggests that the one key metric for a single screen is its overall width. At a guess, the 55" and 49" monitors probably have a very similar width, so I would expect your racing experience to be very similar. The question is, armed with this information are you willing to spend $1000+ to find out? What I hoped this video would do is provide a relatable understanding of what FOV is achievable with different monitors and hopefully help people make informed choices with their hard earned money. Any screen curvature contributes only a small amount to the FOV, I can't see any curved screen approaching the utility of triples - happy to be proven wrong of course. From the information you've given, my understanding of the properties of the monitors in question, and for my personal circumstances - I would stick with the 55" and spend the $1k elsewhere

[@stickybuds05]

@@DrAlanQuanAppreciate the quick and detailed reply! Yes, I think at best, would achieve a bit more immersion with the ultrawide mounted closer, but at a cost of a bit of sky. May not be worth the switch, and putting it into PC/peripherals, or even VR instead. Your comparison shows that I would not seem to gain much peripheral awareness either (would be like the 49" with some sliced off the top)

[@DrAlanQuan]

Yes that's exactly how I imagine it would be! And it's not a bad thing - a 49" looks super slick, whereas a 55" TV mounted straight into a rig kind of looks overwhelming - if the aesthetic of the rig is important, the 49" would be fantastic. But $1000 saved is $1000 I don't need to earn so...

[@kvlion24]

Great video!

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thanks Kees, always nice racing with you 🔥

[@danielwinterracing]

Wait.. you forgot to calculate that all ultrawides have curved displays, getting much closer to the triples than you showed right here. Also the 27s could show exactly the same image as 24 or 32“ displays. It just forces you to have another distance to the displays. Nice infographics but the underlying information seems a bit off. :(

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi Daniel, thanks for commenting! I really appreciate the time. Regarding the curvature - it's really difficult to model a curved display using the virtualisation technique I employed for this video, so I did the best I could. That said, I don't think the curve is going to make a significant difference. The Samsung G9 49" super ultrawide has a curvature of 1800R - when the screen is 600mm from your face, the 1800mm radius is very shallow and doesn't come anywhere close to approaching the level of enclosure that a triple monitor set can provide. For reference with my triple 32s closed in the way they are, they approximate a semicircle with a radius of about 600mm which is why they're able to reach past my ears and give me true peripheral vision. There are videos out there by people who filmed actual super ultrawides and actual triple screens and the comparisons echo my findings - the super ultrawides have massive blind spots relative to the triples. Was my modelling perfect? Definitely not, but I think the representation in my analysis is fair. I've sat in front of a super ultrawide and the sheer width of the monitor is very impressive, but the field of view just isn't there. Regarding 27s, 24s and 32s all able to show the same image - of course they can, but in my modelling the monitor is pretty much in the ideal spot (it could probably be about an inch closer) - any closer and it's uncomfortably close (like reading a book with your nose touching the pages instead of at arm's length). For a 24" monitor to show the same FOV they'll either be super close to your face, or at a more reasonable distance with a non true-to-life perspective from the driver's seat (which is fine, but my comparison is tailored especially towards true-to-life FOV from the driver's seat).

[@rw3476]

Appreciate this video as I am currently building my rig. Based on this I’ll either be 3x 27 or 32….based on what footprint I go for.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Sounds good! FYI my 32s fit within a 1300mm wingspan in case that helps your planning, and could probably tighten to 1200mm without too much compromise. Good luck!

[@kevinelkington5877]

Great video and comparison! Would you be able to compare the new Samsung 57 inch ultra wide?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Haha you must be the 5th person to ask about that 57". Honestly, I had zero plans to do so since my analysis suggests the 57" would be pretty similar to the 49" but never say never ;)

[@kevinelkington5877]

That's the monitor I was thinking of getting but was curious as to how much more immersive it would be with 57inch. Cheers! @@DrAlanQuan

[@DrAlanQuan]

@@kevinelkington5877 I'm sure it's a great monitor. Dual UHD, HDR, 240hz etc - I'm sure it produces an amazing image. 16 million pixels means it will take a lot of graphics processing power to game on. Triple 1440s is about 11 million pixels for reference. I'm also sure that it does not provide wrap around FOV since it is restricted to a single screen. And then consider the price - it is priced as a premium product. Overall I'm sure it's a nice product but I don't believe I will see good value from it for my purposes. If you want to ask Samsung to send me one to try please feel free 😂

[@slowinfastout3304]

Thanks for the video. What about the new 57” g9 with 7680 x 2160 resolution? Would the same horizontal pov on 2/3 the size of 32” triples look unrealistic?

[@DrAlanQuan]

I contacted Samsung to see if they would send me a monitor but nothing so far... I'd love to test it out though!

[@vercauteren81]

Great video, I'm playing with the idea of using a ultrawide 34 inch in the center and 2x27 inch 'normal' monitors on the sides since the have the same height. What do you think?

[@DrAlanQuan]

I've seen people do it and be happy with that set up - it wouldn't be my first choice because I'm not sure the software would cut the image in the right spot to batch up with the bezels since the width is not exactly evenly split into 3. For me personally, if I already had a 34 I'd either get 2 more 34s, or mount the 34 up high as my 4th monitor and get 3 of the same monitors for my triples (27s, 32s, 43s, anything) But if you decide to do 27-34-27 have fun with the setup/troubleshooting process! You'll see in the next few videos that I have no problem with doing stuff that is unconventional and takes way too much effort hahaha

[@farukterzioglu8863]

Perfect video, thank you.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you for watching 😄

[@simbits6660]

I have triple 34UW with a separate dash DDU, I can always see the car either side of me but lack the depth of field - the DDU improves things no end.

[@DrAlanQuan]

What do you like about the ddu? I tried my phone as a dash for a while but I didn't like it obscuring my view of the screen

[@simbits6660]

@@DrAlanQuan It allows me to ignore the on screen dash and place an off screen dash in front of it which then allowed me to move closer to the windscreen improving emersion in two separate ways. i.e - a more accurate field of view which looks and feels better and the dash itself being separate from the screen is in itself more emersive.

[@adamwilkinson8164]

Really helpful thanks

[@DrAlanQuan]

And my thanks to you 😁

[@Fraser-John]

Great video. I’ve been looking at those triple monitors, but still not decided if i should go curved 32 or flat. Also do the VA panels look good from all angles when sat in the cockpit. Thank you.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi John. I don't think curved vs flat is as big an issue as people like to think it is. I used these on iRacing both before and after they implemented curve compensation in their graphics - honestly, the difference is miniscule. I feel like people just like to worry for the sake of worrying. As for the VA panels and off angle viewing - if you want to get really fussy, the backlighting is not 100% even, and because of the angle of the side monitors they are viewed slightly off-axis from the driver's eye so the perceived colour rendition is a bit different on the side monitors compared to the front. BUT the only reason those side monitors are there is for peripheral vision. It doesn't matter that the colour accuracy is not 100%. You can study the colour difference all you want while stationary, it's a complete non issue the moment your car starts to move. I have zero regrets choosing these monitors. Thanks so much for commenting! I hope my upcoming content continues to be relevant and entertaining to you :)

[@Fraser-John]

⁠@@DrAlanQuanThank you for your detailed reply. You made some great points, which will be very helpful to many who are deciding which triple monitors to go for. I’m certainly going for 32 - 1440p and narrowed down the choice to either M32QC curved VA (same as yours but with the extra type c port) £327 each. Or hold out for the M32Q Flat IPS £401 but nobody has them in stock. The gigabyte units seem to be thin at the base, so they can sit inbetween the steering wheel and motor, making the screens closer. Maybe one day soon I’ll get to enjoy a triple experience. I’m still on the quest 2 which is great for immersion but sometimes it feels like a huge effort to jump on the rig when you’re already tired because you feel even more wiped out once you’ve been in VR for an hour or so. Thanks again.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thanks for your kind words! I do hope to be of service to the community. Based on what you've told me, I'd say go for the VA panels when you're ready. I would say the IPS panels are probably noticeably better, but £200 saved means £200 less you need to earn. Depends where you put the most value.

[@zzmadd]

It is the first video that compares effectively the difference. It's way nicer to race in triple (I have triple 32") but most importantly it's safer. There must be a reason I hardly ever squeeze someone and I'm often aware of the surrounding. A lot of people that race single monitor should keep the outcome in mind...Thanks a lot!

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thanks for the kind comment! I'm really happy to contribute to the community

[@sheep7255]

If there's one thing that could be done better, is to more accurately show the FOV like how it should be set up, so the small single 27" should have the optimal FOV for a 27" monitor, and not a triple 32" monitor optimal FOV

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi Sheep, thank you for commenting! My thoughts on the matter are this - there is only one "true to life" image projection. It doesn't matter what size screens you have or how far they are away from you, if you set them up as "true to life" it will look the same to your eyes as you move them across the horizon. Hence if a 27" was sat exactly where my 32" is mounted, it would display that exact portion of the screen - so I feel the comparison is still fair. Now your comment describes the "optimal FOV for a 27" monitor" - are we talking about realistic FOV (there's only one) or a "competitive FOV for a 27" monitor" where we set an artificially wider FOV so we can see more? Nothing wrong with that, if I only had a single 27" I would definitely do that since a realistic FOV would show very little (as demonstrated). I'm really glad you commented. It gave me a good opportunity to revisit my thinking and reassess my conclusion.

[@sheep7255]

@@DrAlanQuan There are many FOV calculators to give you a better FOV, self explanatory, but these can help a lot for certain cases, like this one. But I haven't used one, as my rig is currently not setup, and wont be for a few days. But realistic FOV should be considered, but with how small it is, you should also probably show a more competitive FOV, so you can actually see the cars around you

[@JimboJet737]

Having literally ditched my VR at the last minute before a community race yesterday (vr random disconnects) for a single 27” screen at the standard ACC viewpoint/FOV, I can categorically say that correct FOV as set with FOV calculator is waaaayy better for lap times and consistency than and artificially “zoomed out” wide FOV. I think this would be less noticeable with a larger (>27”) screen size and ofc wider screen ratio (21:9 or better as compared to 16:9) but simply put, correct FOV allows you to more accurately spot and nail your braking and acceleration points and apexes. When I finished my rather disastrous race, I then set the “correct” calculated FOV and within a few laps in a new race, I was way quicker and more consistent. Rather more annoying was that I was posting faster times than I was on VR (Pico 4 @ 90fps) on the single 27” QHD screen!

[@DrAlanQuan]

@@JimboJet737 thanks for sharing your experience. I'm surprised that the wider FOV was not advantageous - I thought seeing competitors nearby as well as more of the track around you would be beneficial - I guess in your case you found real benefit in the accurate FOV. VR sounds fun though, competitiveness be damned!

[@serko12345678]

Hey question for you. Where did you find bazle kit for 32 inch monitors. I know Asus rog made bazle but is only for 27 inch. Any chance you can provide me with a link ? Thanks

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi! This is the 27" Asus kit, and my friend 3D printed some extensions from here for me: www.thingiverse.com/thing:4615747 I only just installed them for this video, and I'm still figuring out how to get the most from them - when I know enough about it I'll produce a video :)

[@heliosabioni5890]

Hello! I'm setting up my three-monitor cockpit. Can I use one ultrawide monitor in the center and two 16:9 monitors in the corners? This is a good option, does iracing support this format? thanks

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hello :) I get asked this question a lot! I have seen people show photos and videos of this configuration, but I don't have experience with this alternative setup - I am not aware of any official setting to support this format - as far as I am aware, iRacing will do triple screen projections exactly evenly so there may be issues with a visible seam on the centre monitor. In my mind, I can think of a potential workaround but it requires a lot of processing power. From what I know, I suggest to use 3 identical monitors to have the easiest setup experience.

[@adrianmilanesi9143]

Great video mate. Cheers

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you for the kind feedback, I really appreciate that!

[@adrianmilanesi9143]

@@DrAlanQuan You are welcome, I will ditch my 49 ultrawide and go for triple 32 you made up my mind. Thanks

[@maximilliank6339]

excellent video!

[@DrAlanQuan]

Thank you very much!

[@KingAhimz]

thanks! Now I can understand more about it👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@DrAlanQuan]

I'm so glad you enjoyed it ❤️

[@Matteusz768]

Are you satisfied from G32QC? Are they curved version? Any screen tearing, ghosting noticeable in iRacing?

[@DrAlanQuan]

I like them. They were cheap and full featured. Yes curved - iRacing handles the curve compensation perfectly. Zero screen tearing, but there is some ghosting particularly noticeable when racing under night conditions. It's helped by turning down the overdrive settings. I run two of them at 165Hz via displayport and the third at 144Hz via HDMI. I don't use any gsync/freesync at all. They're excellent for watching media, editing video, working on documents - but in certain racing scenarios there is some ghosting as described above. One of the monitors has a glitch once every 3 months or so where it will have green artefacts all over the screen - I just turn it off and on again, and it's all good. Overall, I'm happy and would buy them again.

[@Revmotif]

Thank you This video was very helpful. I thought about getting the odessy g9 49inch but think that maybe i will just go for triple 32inch.

[@DrAlanQuan]

I'm glad you found it useful! Spending money on monitors is a pretty significant cost, and it would be a shame if all that money spent led to a disappointment. Have fun with the upgrade!

[@johanblume2621]

Excellent video. This was very useful and informative. I’m on the fence between a 49” curved ultra wide or 34” triples. Kind of leaning with the triples, but the space is a factor.

[@DrAlanQuan]

Just like in real motor racing, packaging efficiency is also a factor! Even if something is functionally superior, if it takes up too much room it just won't work

[@nickster9137]

Is worth while to perhaps mention camera settings that can tweak horizontal view to see more surrounding without sacrificing depth of view in cockpit mode in f1 23 (other games may have that too), makes the 34 “ similar to the 49 “

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi Nickster, I didn't outright declare this in the video but the goal with my screen setup is to get a perspective correct view from the driver's seat. What you're describing is definitely doable and probably advantageous for single screens - but it does stray from that perspective correct philosophy and will produce a distorted view of the game world. Nothing wrong with that, it just doesn't align with what I want to achieve in my own rig which is why I didn't think to mention it!

[@nickster9137]

@@DrAlanQuan makes sense, thanks for replying. just fyi for folks with a 34” in case that want to try and get a wider view with the side mirrors

[@JC_WT]

While FOV with triples is unbeatable outside of VR, the bezels are just too distracting for me. That's why I'm choosing the G9 57 for my first rig. Hopefully it will be okay. If I really need the extra FOV I might try VR or head tracking. 👍 Maybe when GPUs get better I might even tack some 32s to the side of the 57 SUW 🤭

[@DrAlanQuan]

The bezels can be distracting, I agree 100% - less of an issue if you can have the monitors close and therefore the bezels further out of your field of view - when I had the screens further away and the bezels became more central I absolutely hated them! But if you have the space and the cash, hell yeah get that 57" and enjoy!

[@highsiderider]

What would happen if you changed the FOV on the ultrawide single screen in order to see your sides?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi Highside, I haven't done so since my goal was to create as accurate a projection of the virtual game world at possible, but my understanding is it would create a slight/strong fisheye effect to the graphics (depending how far you crank the settings ) which is a common stylistic choice in many arcade racers. Not a good or bad thing, just different to what I want for my own setup.

[@anonymous8780]

I don’t think you see any less game rendered with smaller triples. It’s still the same aspect ratio. It’s just a smaller image. Am I wrong?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi, I wouldn't say you are wrong - but my goal when seeing up monitors is to make it look as realistic as possible, so my monitors are like windows into the virtual world - with the mirrors, dash, steering wheel etc looking 100% scale If you have a smaller monitor displaying the same image, everything is smaller and it's no longer an accurate scale A smaller monitor is like a smaller window, so if we do keep things at real life size - the smaller monitors will show less. But of course everybody is free to do as they please! What are your thoughts after reading my take on it? Thanks for commenting!

[@piereligio_ds]

Good video, I only wish it also considered VR

[@DrAlanQuan]

I would love to compare VR, but I don't have any experience with current generation VR hardware. Maybe one day

[@piereligio_ds]

@@DrAlanQuan I think it could be estimated also without having it, calculating the viewing angle of the VR compared to triple screen, of course moving it around to emulate turning your head

[@DrAlanQuan]

@@piereligio_ds haha yes that's true, the concept is something I haven't thought before and at the moment, beyond my abilities to produce on video. Great idea for a future project! Thank you!

[@piereligio_ds]

@@DrAlanQuan thanks, and no problem 😁

[@kaanpolatbekar]

What is your opinion about the 23-inch or 21.5 ınch triple-screen setup? Can I see my right window and mirror with that setup?

[@DrAlanQuan]

I've seen a triple 24 (or similar) setup and I think it's ok. It's really similar to a single 49" super ultrawide. Because the screen is not very wide, the bezels are very much in your field of view so could be distracting, and unless the screens are super, super close to you the side monitors won't extend very far towards your ears to show you that peripheral vision. If the monitors are free, worth playing with. I would not buy 24s to build a triple though. I'd either get 3x27s or a single 49 instead

[@bikerjack1]

I see you have listed in equipment used an Intel 10600K & Nvidia 3070. Is this running the 3 x 32's ? I was understanding I needed Intel 1440 and 4080 as a minimum.

[@DrAlanQuan]

4080s only came out a year and a bit ago, but people have been running triple 1440s for years on 20 series cards maybe even older than that too My 3070 does 100+fps at triple 1440, which is good enough for me :)

[@felipesiedschlagyopan4185]

Are you sure the FOV changes between 27 and 32 monitors at the same resolution? I always thought both would show exactly the same view, only smaller in the 27 inches.

[@DrAlanQuan]

If the view becomes smaller, you're no longer looking at an accurate projection of the virtual world - it's now a slightly miniaturised one. My goal is to have an accurate projection, which is what FOV calculators do - so yes, so long as you're aiming for that life-like protection, a smaller monitor will have smaller FOV. It's like a smaller window to look at the world through

[@felipesiedschlagyopan4185]

@@DrAlanQuan In this case, it makes all sense. So you configured each monitor with a different FOV to match the same projection? I'll search for one of this FOV calculators to try on my 34 inches 3440x1440, I am probably using the wrong FOV for months. Thanks for all your videos.

[@matthewratcliffe1953]

Would 3x 34 inch ultrawide monitors work ok for triples? Thanks

[@DrAlanQuan]

They do work well, I actually show triple 35" ultrawides in this video :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXTMlKSFnNyXg9k

[@matthewratcliffe1953]

@@DrAlanQuan ok cool thanks for that 👍🏻 now need to figure out if my pc is powerful enough 😄

[@marioslrzn]

How about the 57" ultrawide g9

[@DrAlanQuan]

I'd love to test one out but Samsung haven't offered to send me one - and it's a marketed as a premium product so the price is high. That said, based on my analysis I think the 57" will be functionally very similar to the 49". So basically I think the 57" will be a very impressive, very pretty monitor that gives inferior FOV to triples.

[@raymondnist8770]

what 32's do you use? Seems you have the 32's as close as i have my 27's. Does it seem 1 to 1 to you?

[@DrAlanQuan]

These are Gigabyte G32QCs. I can change the FOV to make it 1:1, narrower or wider. I've had it installed at every distance possible as well since I've had to move the rig around so much. I do prefer to race with a 1:1 projection

[@mariuszjarzynski4604]

there is missing 27-34-27 :) I would like to make such tripple screen.

[@DrAlanQuan]

I don't know anybody with that combination so there's no plans to cover this configuration. Good luck with your build!

[@T.K.9]

Are they Curved 32's or Flat?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Gigabyte G32QC curved

[@martinsoder9536]

Great video!! But now i have to buy 2 more 32" monitors! 🤪

[@DrAlanQuan]

Pleasure to be of service! 😂

[@z3r01245]

Please now compare how much performance you need for each system for the most popular sims

[@DrAlanQuan]

That's a bit beyond my resources. I think you'll find the information you need at Dan Suzuki's channel. Thanks for the recommendation though!

[@z3r01245]

@@DrAlanQuan Oh how unfortunate but let me rephrase that because I've described it incorrectly: Im interested in seeing just the FPS difference between e.g. 34" ultrawide vs triple 32"s while using the same PC. If it's making a difference it'd be great to see this difference in different sims. So far I didn't find any real world examples, just ways to calculate how it would theoretically impact performance. Thanks for your response and keep up the good work! :)

[@Spinelli__]

Nice vid but the monitor comparison is a little flawed in at least 1 way. In terms of vertical FOV, moving from, let's say, 27" to 32" won't just give you more view of the sky, it'll also give you more view of the bottom portion of the screen too so more of the car's dashboard, possibly gauges, steering wheel, buttons/switches, etc. I'd consider the "gold standard" a high-horizontal-FOV VR headset. So, either the Pimax 8K X or, if on more of a budget, the Pimax 5K Super. Unfortunately, 3D monitors never took off like they should have and it's a hassle to get many games to work well with 3D triple screen monitors nowadays so that's out of the question for everyone but the most dedicated 3D users (like I was for 10 years until 1 year ago when I got a Pimax VR headset) which leaves VR as, pretty much, the only 3D / stereo way to play. With the Pimax, you get the best of everything. 3D / stereo. Great resolution with the 8K X (or decent with the 5K Super). High horizontal FOV to better, equal, or almost equal that of a triple screen setup. High refresh rate (8K X: 90, 120 Hz, 5K Super: 90, 120, 144, 160, 180 Hz). Etc. I got rid of my triples when I got the VR headset and, as you alluded to in your vid, using a single screen is pretty crappy even when you have one of the biggest and best (if not the biggest and best) ultrawide screens on the market like I have (LG 45GR95QE-B). When not hotlapping / practicing but actually racing others, even a 45" ultra widescreen is pretty bad compared to triples - especially if using a 1:1 FOV. Curved monitors can help alleviate the single-screen issue somewhat because the curve means the monitor should be displaying a wider horizontal FOV for the same vertical FOV than the exact same monitor in a non-curved version but 99.999% of games unfortunately do not have the ability to make those FOV adjustments for curved monitors. Sorry, I went off on a tangent. Anyways. Awesome channel!

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi Spinelli, thanks for your kind words and taking the time to write your comment :) Regarding your first point - the limiting factor for the field of view below the horizon is going to be how low your monitor can mount. For any monitor that is above your wheelbase, that limit is going to be the same - whether you have a 24" or a 75" monitor, it is limited by how close to the wheelbase you're willing to mount it - hence going from 32" to 27" you really only sacrifice sky since the lower edge of the monitors will be in the same position. The alternative is to move the monitor further away so it can be behind but also below the wheelbase - but that will sacrifice both vertical and horizontal field of view since the screens and viewports are moving further away from you - a big problem if you're using a 32" or smaller monitor - not such a problem if you run 40+" monitors. I agree that wide FOV VR would be a "gold standard" - my only experience with VR has been PSVR which was decent, but narrow FOV and I get particularly sweaty underneath it. But the idea of crisp visuals, wide field of view, and 3D sounds amazing. The compute power needed to run triples vs 8K VR must be substantial as well. Until I have something like this in my hands, the triple 32s are a nice sweet spot though.

[@Spinelli__]

@@DrAlanQuan Thanks for the reply, much appreciated. What you said about the bottom of the screens matching regardless of if it's a 32" or 27" monitor is only true if you raise the in-game cam/seat/view higher for the 32" monitor but that'll mean you're now viewing the world from a different perspective, as if your in-game seat or body/neck/head got taller. Regardless of how high/low you have your screens placed and how your real wheel matches up with them or with the in-game wheel, there's only 1 realistic in-game view (ie. seat position) location. That exact view would be dead-centre in between the in-game drivers' eyes. Adjusting that point any further up/down, forward/back, left/right would mean the visual representation of what's being displayed on your screen is not that which you would be seeing if you were actually in the car. This is why I've been saying on various sim racing forums for 10-15 years that we need a 3D rendered option to change our in-game view (ie. seat position). That way, we could place the exact point, essentially a "dot", where the game's camera view is located (it should be exactly in-between the virtual drivers' eyes) and spawns outwards from. Ideally and technically speaking, there should be no view/seat/camera changes when switching from, let's say, 24 to 27, to 32 to 80 inch monitors/TVs because the location of the viewpoint/camera/seat should be exactly dead-centre in between the eyes of wherever the virtual drivers' eyes would be in that particular car. That's the only 100% technically correct way to do it. Anything other than having the camera/seat located at that exact point will mean what the real life player is viewing on their screen is not the perspective of the driver as the real life player's perspective will be too high/low and/or too forward/backward. Think about it this way. Imagine your example of raising the in-game view/seat/cam higher when going from a 27" monitor to a 32" so that the bottom of the rendered image is identical on both screens. Exaggerate that example to, let's say, an 80" screen instead of a 27". With an 80" screen, to get the bottom of the rendered image to match the 27" screen, you'd have to move the in-game view/seat/cam so high that the location (or coordinates) of that camera would probably be on top of the roof of the car. So then you'd be driving around with the rendered perspective as if your head was somehow on top of the car's roof rather than from the virtual driver's eyes. Moving the in-game cam/seat/view around to try and match your screens, the position of your wheel, etc. is, although common (and understandably so), technically incorrect & flawed. The in-game cam's coordinates should be located exactly in between wherever the drivers' eyes would be located for the particular car being driven. Simple as that. Doesn't matter if your monitor is 27" or 80", if your monitor is very high relative to you or eye-level, if your real wheel is near the bottom of the monitor or in the middle, etc.

[@DrAlanQuan]

@@Spinelli__ When changing monitor size, no significant camera setting changes are needed IF the middle of the monitor remains in the same position. If your monitor is constrained on one side (for example a wheelbase underneath) a bigger screen will need to move upwards to be able to mount. If the whole monitor is moving up, your viewport is moving up (since your head stays in the same position, you'll now be looking relatively upwards at your bigger monitor compared to the smaller one). My low down seating position means my monitors are above me - I adjust the horizon setting downwards (without adjusting tilt) so it is level with my eyes - this way I still look straight forwards from the driver's perspective when I race - but the total viewport is still aiming upwards and showing lots of sky. The formula position exaggerates this, but the principles are the same for any position - the key point is that the monitors are mounted as low down as physically possible in all scenarios.

[@Spinelli__]

@@DrAlanQuan I totally get what you're saying but, in the end, for a technically correct view (if that's truly what someone is looking for), then the point in the virtual space where that view is located and spawns from would be the exact point in between the 2 eyes of the virtual driver sitting in the virtual car. Any position that's moved forwards, backwards, upwards, downwards, (ie. seat/cam adjustments) etc. is not the technically correct/realistic view because what the real life player then ends up seeing on his computer screen is not the view through the eyes of the driver but, instead, the view from some other point in the virtual game's space. It has nothing to do with monitors, where you are relative to your monitor, where your real-life wheel is relative to you or your monitors, etc. Of course we want to try and align all that so it aligns as naturally and comfortably as possible but that's regardless of the game's view. Here's an extreme & ridiculous example. If, for some reason, I had to have my monitor 5 feet below my head, that doesn't mean I should lower the in-game view or tilt the driver's eyes/head (AKA horizon adjust) so that all I see on rendered on the screen are the in-game driver's feet and pedals and the floor of the car. The view of the game, if going for a technically correct first-person view, needs to be located in the exact position between the in-game drivers' virtual eyes and with the same head-tilt (ie. horizon adjust) as the tilt your head or eyes would generally be if you where sitting in that car. That means what you're seeing on your monitor is the exact view from the eyes of the driver as if you were in the car. Regardless of where you may happen to place your monitor and/or wheel in real life. With regards to the driver's head's tilt (or, as some games call it, horizon adjust - I'm pretty sure these are the same but I could be wrong) then that's just how downwards/upwards the driver's head (or eyeballs) are tilted and pointing towards. Are they looking completely straight ahead? Are they looking slightly downwards to the ground in front of them? Etc. That should be tilted to where you eyes in real life would generally be pointed for the most part, not tilted in a complete opposite direction (like towards the sky).

[@Spinelli__]

@@DrAlanQuan "My low down seating position means my monitors are above me - I adjust the horizon setting downwards (without adjusting tilt) so it is level with my eyes - this way I still look straight forwards from the driver's perspective when I race - but the total viewport is still aiming upwards and showing lots of sky." Exactly. This proves my point. So the perspective that you are seeing in your monitor is that of a driver who is staring up into the clouds and therefore isn't technically correct because no driver stares into the clouds while they drive yet that's the "view" or the "eyes" you are looking through so it's not technically realistic. Obviously in the end this is all total knit-picking and doesn't really matter because we have the freedom to set all this stuff up according to our own personal preferences but I just wanted to point out that the whole method of adjusting in-game views / seating positions / camera / eye/head-tilt to match our real world's physical setup is a backwards approach if trying to view exactly on screen what you would view if you were the driver sitting in that virtual car.

[@romanpolyakov1262]

What if 49 is 1000R cuved?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Still a compromise. Triple 32s are like 80" 650R - big and tight No single screen will come close any time soon.

[@tomkoch3251]

I think about building a triple monitor setup. Currently I run a 27 inch display. Would u recommend puting this one in the middle and add two curved minitors to the left and right or add two flat screens?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi Tom. I think 3 of the exact same monitor is the way to go. I think flat/curved is a non issue that people like to make into a big thing for some reason

[@tomkoch3251]

@@DrAlanQuan thank you for your advise. Is it a problem if i have to buy two different monitors because the monitor i currently run is not available?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Probably not. There might be little issues like the screens might be a few mm bigger/smaller, colour rendition may be slightly different - these probably don't matter once you're racing. But be on the lookout for major issues like if the VESA mounting holes are in completely different areas (most will be dead centre of the monitor but some brands put their mounts right along the top or bottom edge)

[@wolfdog4life]

I love this comparison but I'm wondering if comparing the actual size is the best metric to use. If you have a 27" 1440p monitor it'll show you the same information as a 32" 1440p screen, just slightly smaller. Still, seeing the massive difference between what I have now (single ultrawide) vs what you can see on a triple screen makes me want them even more!

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hi Wolfdog, this topic has come up a lot in the other comments. I'm still 100% convinced screen size, and not resolution, is what influences FOV. In iRacing's graphics settings there is a "screen width" dialogue after all. The entire reason FOV calculators exist (including those in the graphics engine for iRacing or other sims) is to figure out a true to life perspective from the drivers eye - this is why I'm still convinced my virtualisation is pretty close. There is only one true to life perspective - the size of the screens is our window into that virtual world, and the larger and/or closer they are to us, the greater the FOV. Resolution doesn't come into it at all. This is why I can overlay these 'cut outs' on my video with fair confidence that is a fair fight. You mentioned a 27" screen would be the same but smaller than a 32" screen. Whether we go up or down in size, if the displayed image stays the same we are deviating from a realistic perspective. Can you imagine a 7" 1440p phone screen displaying the same image? Yes you can do it but it is no longer a lifelike projection, and it stopped being one the moment it started shrinking from 32" (even at 31"). You've got to adjust the FOV as the screen size changes if you want to maintain a life-size perspective. Size, not resolution, is what matters for FOV.

[@novantium3760]

I am considering a G9 with a G7 on the left (the G9 would be offset to the right a bit)

[@DrAlanQuan]

Dual monitor setup? Definitely better than single - I'm curious how you'll physically set it up - match the curve of the monitors or make more of an acute angle - and if the latter, how that will look on the opposite side (in the middle of the G9)

[@novantium3760]

@@DrAlanQuan This is the guy that gave me the idea. After looking at it more though the overlap of the two screens is rather odd. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmOlpmCQl7d3l80

[@Vale-dy4ti]

Ciao ho una rtx 3050 6Gb, intel core 5 11400F, 16 Gb ram ddr4. Con triplo monitor AOC CU34G2XE ce la faccio?

[@DrAlanQuan]

Hello, I'm not familiar with the 3050. I think you would get better advice looking at PC hardware review sites and checking their race sim results at similar resolutions to your queried monitor

[@Vale-dy4ti]

@@DrAlanQuan la risoluzione massima della scheda grafica è 7680 x 4320, utilizzo un monitor da 3440x 1440 ( 34”) e due laterali da 1920 x 1080 ( 27”)

[@DrAlanQuan]

@@Vale-dy4ti 👍 good luck!