Sino-Soviet War || Sea Power Gameplay - New Naval Simulation

[@Heldermaior]

The sino soviet war, the falklands, vietnam... This game has massive potential to reenact some aspects of these wars. Falklands especially would be a sick scenario.

[@MadGelo]

If only AI wasnt so bad. We need MP!

[@Klonering]

@@MadGelo MP?

[@scoutguard3015]

@@Klonering Multiplayer.

[@Vyrn787]

​​@@MadGeloThere's not gonna be MP for a long time sadly..

[@Heldermaior]

@@MadGelo the AI can be improved. Hopefully it will be.

[@darriusdias]

This is a refreshing perspective from NATO vs Soviet bloc. Cool to see a potential Sino-Soviet flashpoint!

[@SamHero_]

Just like the Red Dragon campaign "Dragon vs Bear"

[@JJJJJJJJJAAAAAA]

@@SamHero_ that was a cool scenario on paper but it was so stupid to fight modern russian prototypes in 1989 with chinese milsurp

[@RyanS493]

J5 Pilot: This is suicide man! Wolf: Full afterburner please!! I love this channel 😂

[@后现代魔怔壬]

They can add the kamikaze option💀

[@Mechanized85]

I rather to take the Dive bombing method more than fly fast and skip bomb run.

[@warhead_beast7661]

You can really see the difference between no jamming and jamming

[@CrowDawg11]

I was screaming at my computer for him to remember the Tu-16 lol

[@ham_the_spam4423]

@@CrowDawg11 20:27 he wasn't 100% sure if jamming was intended to be used in the scenario, so that's why he didn't use them on the 2nd group of ships. based on the massacre of the air wings, I'm guessing they ARE meant to be used

[@PeterMuskrat6968]

Finally a scenario that isn't NATO vs Soviets or US vs Iran. A plausible Sino-Soviet war where the US supports the Chinese, because the enemy of my enemy is almost always my frenemy.

[@Mechanized85]

That would be insane to make such a decision.

[@AUsernameWeShallMarchToKiev]

@@Mechanized85 to be fair, the actual Chinese warplan in 1969 for war with the USSR was equally insane: The Chinese would launch their nuclear arsenal against American bases in Japan and South Korea, then disperse their armies and civilian populations - the logic being, that, due to the chaos of the war, the U.S. would think the Chinese strike was a Soviet attack, letting the two superpowers duke it out while China hid in its mountains.

[@justeunfan3364]

@@Mechanized85 Today I don't think the US would join either one, not right at the start of the conflict thats for sure. But a few decades ago China was not persived as a threat compared to the soviet union. The US would surely have jumped on the occasion, hopping to be able to pressure the chinese to install a puppet governement or at least a pro USA one after the war. They would have seen it as yet another proxy war like Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan in some way.

[@howardkong8927]

​@@AUsernameWeShallMarchToKiev Even without that, this hand is very clever. Because it forces the USA to take a stance, in a war that had nothing to do with the USA. Once the USA knows that they will suffer a nuclear strike (even if it's from China), the USA would be forced to try to de-escalate this war as much as it can. And the USA is certainly capable of doing so, since it can threaten the USSR to back down using the USA's military might. Which is exactly what Mao wanted.

[@Valkyrie_Yukikaze]

@@AUsernameWeShallMarchToKievThat is probably just an idea on paper and more political oriented than the military thinking. The actual military plan is to gives up the entire Northern China plains, since the PLA back then do not think they can stop the Soviet army that is full of armored units and mechanized unit. They would probably delays the Soviet a bit, but the main battle plan would be going in the Southern Chinese mountains where soviet mechanized force would struggle against terrain and even the play ground for the PLA. Under this plan, the capital city of Beijing and important cities in the North would be abandoned since they are deemed not defense-able on the plain.

[@MichalProzac]

I must say the PLA airforce pilots have great English xD

[@eylem1975erdogdu]

Exactly, and they have soviet markings on their planes!

[@SirCabooseCCCP]

@@eylem1975erdogduseems about right since they copy everyone!

[@Vardyversity]

I've noticed in a couple of custom scenarios the radar man on some US ships has a distinct Russian accent.

[@DoctorDeath147]

​@@Vardyversity "multiple hostile contacts"

[@Chinocchi]

Shhh. 🤫

[@svartorivigt5016]

This game needs to add airspace and territorial waters restriction areas on map.

[@zhicaofang2354]

0:41 In reality this did happen to some extent. Soviet Union planned a full-scale strategic nuclear strike against China. The USA not only passed on the information to the Chinese leadership (whom had begun evacuating to inland areas to avoid the first wave of attack), but also found a relatively small newspaper to expose the decision as a form of tacit warning which eventually convinced the Soviet Union to back off. Then in late 1970s when Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, both China and USA secretly supplied weapons (most famously the Stinger missles but reportedly also Chinese rifles with the Chinese characters scratched off) to mujahideens.

[@robertkalinic335]

I don't doubt that some plan existed but even USA had plans for potential conflict with Canada before ww2, it doesn't mean usa was actually going to do that.

[@FinnishJager]

I made sure to do the historical research for this scenario and I wrote the intro briefing. I really wanted to make it seem plausible.

[@danspragens4935]

Among the rifles supplied by the Chinese were NORINCO M-16 knock-offs, IIRC.

[@A-Warthog-cc1wm]

@@FinnishJagerfreaking fantastic work man! I was on the edge of my seat the whole time waiting for the attack to commence

[@adamtruong1759]

Interesting, it's kind of similar to the world of 1984 with the super states.

[@Sgt.Chuck.E.Cheese]

It’s kinda like an alternate bear and the dragon scenario, neat!

[@goki6548]

Just some little tips: Trying to outrun missiles by climbing is usually a very bad decision. You should get fast and drop to the deck as soon as possible to get below targeting radar's horizon. I don't know if it is modeled in the game but especially for older missiles notching them ie. Pointing down at the ground and then pulling atlow altitude will confuse the missiles and cause them to just ram the deck as they try to track you but don't know that the deck exists at all and will hit it. Also some missiles track your speed difference. If you go directly perpindicular to their bearing you will have no velocity difference from your surroundings (ie. the sea or the ground) from the missiles point of view and it will loose track.

[@jeffdale1626]

The other reason for this is because air is thinner the higher you go, so if you climb not only do you sacrifice your speed but you improve the range of the SAM. Diving lower increases drag on the missile, which once the booster phase ends begins to slow the SAM and reduce it's range and ability to maneuver. Likewise, jinking up and down down low can cause the missile to adjust it's track into the deck.

[@Stampede602]

⁠@@jeffdale1626do we know if drag is modeled properly?

[@normieloser6969]

@@Stampede602 Several ytbers said that range of planes go up if they travel at higher altitude, idk if that's true

[@Kilo3Cav19K]

@@normieloser6969 air is thinner, less resistance. faster topspeed

[@gluesniffingdude]

Notching is not a thing in Sea Power but all missiles have a minimum engagement altitude below which their accuracy is significantly reduced, to reflect the effect of increased surface clutter at low altitude. The older the missile, the less forgiving their minimum engagement altitudes will be.

[@sedatedape315]

Jamming vs no jamming. Shown perfectly in this scenario. Great video! Fun seeing stuff other than NATO vs WARSAW Pact.

[@nathanielwallace4736]

21:50 I bet that caused a bit of a stir on the Adams, a unannounced midnight flyover by Chinese fighters LOL

[@MadScorpable]

I am a simple man, I sea power, I click...

[@TheOfficialSethos]

I sea what you did

[@ElGordodeAlemana]

A click was owed, a click was bestowed.

[@Spendingryan]

Stands out in an ocean of comments

[@troyverburg9600]

I like it

[@Aaaasda-lx3oo]

Pilots flying full speed at 20 feet during night without IR cameras, thermal scope or even a radar and hit the ship with dumb bombs. I bet they'll miss an island, not talking about a ship. Damn, the darn thing doesn't even have a ballistic computer. How come?

[@trickythefox9598]

Chairman Mao guides their hands 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

[@robertkalinic335]

Its not actually that dark outside during night if weather is clear and moon shining.

[@DecidedlyNinja]

Being really low does wonders for bombing accuracy, especially if the target is tall like a ship. The bomb can even skip off the water if it lands short and still hit the ship. The hard part would be finding the ship at night, impossible on a moonless night and requiring lots of guidance from the bombers even with moonlight.

[@Emperorvalse]

Yes I too wondered about the authenticity of the J5 and J7 being able to undertake a night bombing mission. In regards to being guided onto the target, I don't think the H6 surface search radar pick-up the planes while high in the but maybe when they started to skim the surface. Or this could be role played out by say the USN DDG was directing the PLAN in.

[@Enigma89]

We live in a cold war kino golden age

[@Kagayaki74]

And it’ll only get better from here ദ്ദി ˉ͈̀꒳ˉ͈́ )

[@KimLind]

When u last expect it - Wolf has upload new trilling content of Sea power. Many thanks.

[@MandolinMagi]

Jamming looks *absurdly* overpowered at the moment.

[@ParoXyzmm]

I think it'll require more testing to find out properly (Also notice how the ships only start shooting at the aircraft at the exact moment the aircraft gain visual and vice versa. So I think that the AAA required visual contact to shoot, that could have been because of the jamming though, idk.). The biggest issue I saw was that the EWAR aircraft were on a different bearing than the attacking aircraft, so the jamming shouldn't have actually really done anything for the attacking aircraft.

[@unixnerd23]

I think what we need to see is more information on it. Power and type of jammers and some idea of the resistance to jamming of each radar. It's a great subject and we need more than just jammer on/off as info.

[@unixnerd23]

@@ParoXyzmm That depends a lot on the complexity of the radar you're jamming. Some will be able to filer out off-axis jamming, some won't.

[@ParoXyzmm]

@@unixnerd23 Sure, but in general an off axis jamming source will at the very least be *greatly* diminished in effective power, or just outright do nothing.

[@CrowDawg11]

@@unixnerd23 yeah but you very quickly start to stray into classified territory that can get you shut down if you dig too deep down that rabbit hole...

[@ChaosphereIX]

Fantastic vid as always Wolfpack, great narration to get us into the scenario. This game has such massive potential I am so excited for EA and what the future holds for it in terms of updates, DLC, and mods. Such potential for units from around the world from 1945 to present day

[@charliegiammarco5178]

I was thinking you could essentially have war on the sea as a mod in this!

[@ChaosphereIX]

@@charliegiammarco5178 You could...but why do yet another WWII game when WOTS, Silent Hunter, UBoat, etc. all do WWII already. I love that this takes place in the Cold War, refreshing change, just like Cold Waters was for this Silent Hunter veteran.

[@attekinnula4406]

Moral of the story: If the mission author didn't expect the use of jammers, don't play fair. Jam the heck out of them, or you get shot :)

[@steveh8658]

Exactly. Although, I suspect Wolf purposely didn't use jammer on the second group in order to balance this 'review' of the game. No good to make it look like a push over.

[@MaxB.20]

you got valuable squad of planes, dont loose them! W345: ama not use my most valuable asset (jam and Surf) and get my squad dead ! i.... dont get it...

[@Sniperahead]

I gonna pump so many missions into the community

[@yungcaco1443]

Noice

[@Sniperahead]

@yungcaco1443 i underestimated the editor. Not intuitive and buggy.

[@Strathclydegamer]

Really enjoyed this one, something a bit different and very enjoyable to watch!

[@donaldfanfon4401]

I don't mean to be rude to others but you are easily the best sea power player I've watched.

[@foreverpinkf.7603]

Oh, the joy of night time engagements. I presume, all went well.

[@Anamericanhomestead]

You forgot to adjust your jamming before that second attack.

[@Sohowmuchwoodcoulda]

These scenarios are awesome. The setups are always so interesting and I can't wait to see what people come up with.

[@RasseruS]

@Wolfpack345 My issue with this user created mission is that Russian won't come that close to main Okinawa islands; if they had a war with China. Likely any new Russian Fleet would come from the Sea of Japan or South China Sea. Coming up closer from the eastern coast Taiwan would be more likely. As the US NAVY and JMSDF would push Russian Navy out to deep sea.than being that close to the main islands of Okinawa.

[@JuliusGeezer447]

Really enjoyed this! As others have said, cool to see a Sino-Soviet scenario.

[@Secretgeek2012]

Loved your reaction to the cockpit lights 😀

[@AddyRazz]

Awesome stuff, keep them coming, this game looks awesome!

[@sethv9039]

Fun to watch the time coordinated bomb run on the big screen with surround sound.

[@PerfectDeath4]

First attack was expertly timed, second one was just a mess. Probably could have done the same as the first with some patience. Flying low at night with jamming really seems to help a LOT here. Though it is annoying that afterburner needs to be done manually for all the bombers.

[@akd8525]

AI needs to react to offensive ECM like they are under attack. Why maintain emcon while both being illuminated by search radar and offensively jammed?

[@mabinogion7023]

Would love to see Luda class etc added to the game to play chinese navy during this period.

[@PapaBear816]

This games needs to come out Yesterday... I want it so bad

[@MrDerekpryor2]

345, yes I have given, the production team a "Name" this group is letting "Wolf" do his thing narrating... I just love these video's I wish they were longer but I do understand..!!! everyone has a life to enjoy....love Derek A.

[@piyushrajesh2007]

Good video with interesting combatants.

[@arthurcrego8297]

Wow really great video

[@MrDerekpryor2]

I can't wait for this game to come out!! Navy all the way ... Navy Veteran!

[@Zadlo14]

That's quite funny about these J-5... Because they are not Chinese J-5, nor Soviet MiG-17. They are Polish LiM-6 fighter-bombers. Both J-5 and MiG-17 have only 2 pylons which are usually used for fuel tanks. LiM-6 has 4 pylons where two of them were designed to carry bombs and rockets. Of course MiG-17 can also carry bombs but only in place of fuel tanks.

[@Lt_Starburst]

RELEASE THE GAME I CANT WAIT ANYMORE

[@The-Caged-King]

7 days…. We have to hold out for 7 more days… 😢

[@ziggelito]

RELEASE!

[@littletweeter1327]

I need this game to release already

[@157RANDOM]

It would be nice to see proper J-7s in Sea Power eventually. I noticed that MiG-21Bis' were used, which doesn't make sense for China, or 1969. The Bis entered service with the Soviets in 1972 and the Chinese never had any Bis based J-7s. In fact, the Chinese didn't have a J-7 with the Gen 2 cockpit design until the late 80s with the J-7 III/J-7D. All J-7s had the earlier MiG-21F style front hinged bubble canopy rather than the Gen 2 side hinged inline canopy. The J-7D was based on a single MiG-21MF they recieved from the middle east in the 80s. I understand that it's a limitation of what we have in game, but I am always a stickler for detail lol.

[@Wreckr68]

Extremely interesting scenarios, can't wait to try the game for myself.

[@master-damask]

У Вас отличная подача историй. Спасибо за творчество 👍

[@ericstearns170]

This game has some major strengths compared to some others. The naval aircombat is fricking amazing.

[@kingsfan62]

Finish once again has the secret ships. Never underestimated Finish.

[@FinnishJager]

I'm trying my best to make fun and interesting missions!

[@kingsfan62]

@FinnishJager ,i got you, i always enjoy your participation on twitch as well.

[@eddiestaud1843]

Honestly this is a fun an refreshing view on a Cold War gone hot, the Sino-Soviet Split got pretty tense at times and a full blown Sino-Soviet War would be interesting from a Western perspective, would the US and NATO intervene on Chinese side? Or would the West just sit back and watch the two Eastern powers rip each other apart? It is a real interesting situation.

[@CrowDawg11]

I can't imagine any other scenario than the second one. At this time the Sovs were of course a more powerful threat but the Chinese Maoist strain of communism was even more extreme and virulent than the Soviet one. I think the West would have sat back and collectively nutted themselves watching the Chinese and Soviets kill each other.

[@BunkerFox]

Always happy to see a new Sea Power video. The best thing about the game though has to be that it lead me to this channel, I've been binging it the past few weeks. Also, does anyone know what the music used in the intro is?

[@ChaosphereIX]

Pretty sure it is from the game's soundtrack

[@BunkerFox]

@@ChaosphereIX Ah nice, thanks for answering! I know that in some other vids I've seen he uses songs from other games in the intro so was curious about this one.

[@akarinnnnnn]

More Sino-Soviet content would be nice.

[@ChrisJohnson-gx8yo]

Great Work!

[@Wolfhound223]

That was actually pretty cool.

[@eriklinkogel6399]

Nice to see some of the older thunderbirds

[@redgriffindiver7740]

Nice use of the jamming Badgers.

[@Chinocchi]

This game is gonna be insane when they put the dynamic campaign in.

[@sillyfisheee1084]

THANK YOU!

[@nikbear]

Outstanding 👌 🐺🍻

[@thewise3551]

I hope they get more voice actors with various launagues and accents for all the different nations.

[@SAGEDANDY]

I WANT THIS GAME NOW!

[@spacehead74]

Just purchased the early access today. This game is gonna be the new red alert or starcraft if the devs dig in.

[@sigamer216]

Well I think the mission author intended the player to use jamming since the Mig-21s and MiG-17s don't have any countermeasures.

[@zu21905]

if they make a WW2 version with this type of graphics i will play it until i die because of how good sea power im still waiting for it to be released but when it does it's gonna be the happiest day of my life

[@Recodo98]

Are you able to release the scenarios now that the game is out! Love your videos would love to try the scenarios out for myself.

[@schmidde5202]

in foresight of the soon release, is it possible to have the tactical map also on a second screen instead of switching the views or "only" the mini map?

[@shengkunlin5658]

I would love to see China fully added to the game

[@shengkunlin5658]

Like J8 and stuff

[@guy-be-man6908]

@@shengkunlin5658The scenario possibilities would be endless.

[@jonwesick2844]

Tongzhi is comrade in Mandarin.

[@MrTacohood]

Sad that the youtube compression makes the video really dark

[@FKHC2005]

this is how the Omega Man Started

[@OMG.HopsGnue]

Black on Black , KZbin made it all most impossible to see anything. Watched and Liked 👍

[@nebula6887]

what music is used during the intro? it is very mesmerizing

[@dominics.4474]

dude yes, i need it too!

[@rvanleersum]

Interesting hypothetical conflict and not entirely implausible. It's interesting to wonder how this will have played out and, by default, how this would have affected the Vietnam conflict with the probability that Chinese and Soviet support to the North will have dried up, perhaps even encouraged the US/West to increase its intervention beyond what occurred in our time line.

[@mariokuzner6294]

why you dont jamm the groups before recon with badgers?

[@e-train765]

A week away from release!!

[@johanmolendijk9811]

That intro song sounds so familiar. It fits the style.

[@mikaeldahlqvist399]

I think it's part of Sea Power's soundtrack, it sounds really good.

[@johanmolendijk9811]

@@mikaeldahlqvist399 It feels like it should be from Top Gun. It reminds me of the old Amiga game F/A-18 Interceptor soundtrack.

[@lap125]

Immersion par excellence.

[@TatersMCC]

KZbin needs to fix the notifications. I just got the notification a day later

[@msgmedrownudes5523]

Hey Wolfpack, are you gonna check out the broken arrow beta ? I’d love to see some gameplay from you on it

[@RemusKingOfRome]

Excellent, Pity the Chinese planes didn't have different markings, maybe a yellow star with red trimmings ? I wonder if you could have dropped flares over t hose targets ?

[@amaterasu3609]

More Squadron Secenerios!

[@bruhbruh13968]

the soviet sino war finally a realistic view into chinese and russian secret relations

[@Anonymoose-2750]

Decent though wish scenario had third party rules, i.e. no way Japan would have let China violate its airspace. Game should enforce that

[@SOROKA1]

May i ask, where is this great synthwave music come, is it in game or you've using some other assets?

[@Vyrn787]

Hi wolfpack

[@kommentarepostenwill]

This is a helping comment

[@LordRunolfrUlfsson]

I would expect the American ships in the area to be willing to pick up the downed Chinese pilots, if they ejected safely.

[@HoneyBadger213]

Does anyone know where an online community exists for this game? I cant find any facebook groups for it

[@bhok5228-ff8bs]

No anti air missiles against the air attack?

[@TheMartieno]

Is there a chance we will get tankers on the carriers? Or from airports. It would be pretty awesome

[@richnolen6862]

looks really good, it will be nice to see a large scenario building interest here On this scenario, can you play either side?

[@FinnishJager]

This was a custom scenario I made for Wolf and only made it playable as China.

[@Honkler270]

This has a Maldives War vibe to me, jets doing bombing runs on "modern"(post ww2 missile armed) ships is cool as hell tbh.

[@danielross7983]

Why didn't you jam the second group???

[@AceyOs]

Can you do the Libya incident where f14s intercepted migs or operation bolo in Vietnam

[@DavidNeiraSilva]

Looking forward for a Malvinas/Falklands Campaign mod

[@MyKirill1]

I hope the voices get worked on more, love the Russian voices from what I’ve seen

[@FillipOnDeez]

BRING MORE Scramble!!!

[@Zenitchik_130]

J5 pilots: tf you mean we are less valuable

[@TannerG151]

Great video! Was that cwis on the ships? Can it be disabled in the mission editor? It shouldn't be present in 1969.

[@steveh8658]

It wasn't cwis. If you look closely there is about a hundred guys on the side of the ship firing their AK47's at the planes. /jk

[@TannerG151]

@@steveh8658 Yes stalinium tracks better than any radar!

[@winstonedwards2014]

This is a beautifully made mod, but I have 1, *one* complaint about the models. The roundels for the PLAAF are wrong. In the mod, it's a red star with a white outline, while in real life, it's completely different.

[@omarhanbali4953]

No way any of these planes are even remotely this accurate

[@Drexia_Kali]

MORE plz