Zuma vs Mbeki: the epic chess game that defined South Africa, from ANC to MK Party

[@manimavuso]

I want to take this opportunity to appreciate and pay heed toward Sizwe Mpofu-Walsh. Great job as always

[@tholwanabutelezi8954]

The president Mbeki and deputy president Zuma era was for real the golden era in South Africa.

[@gidmosia7065]

The true take over of blacks from whites regime

[@nathanielkgobe427]

True, this was really a golden era were two old political friends worked together, everything flourished and went quet well, until the white man very cunningly intervened using one of the most dangerous figure that hates his fellow Safricans with passion and continues the agenda of the enemy, and now ALL SOUTH AFRICANS ARE DYING FROM HUNGER, AND RENDERED THE WHOLE SAFRICA A DEN OF ALL SORTS OF CRIMINALITY, CRY AFRICA CRY 😭😭😭

[@bejesikelela74]

Can you do where Zuma And Malema work together swiping out Mbeki and where Malema turned his back against Zuma

[@alexemergineer3202]

Sizwe. Can you bring Moeletsi Mbeki. To talk about SA economic history and what should happen from 2024 going forward. ❤❤

[@tebohotokullo4610]

That's a great idea alex

[@alexandernyamazana4795]

That one is always putting the blame on the black elite who we all agree are a problem, yet we all know where the root of the problem is and he fails to articulate that while concentrating on the black bourgeoisie.

[@roeteroestof3896]

Why not both Zuma and Mbeki TOGETHER

[@HamandisheMpofu]

His a bitter economist. Very confusing individual that 1. 🤣

[@shaistamohammed625]

Correct both can work together with ❤❤❤❤❤

[@tozamilefunani]

Mbeki’s problems started when he was selected to attend the Geneva youth summit because he was already in Europe. This didn’t seat well with the likes of Hani who was in the MK camps in Lusaka and there was belief that children of senior politicians were treated better than ordinary exiles. Zuma knew that for all these years Thabo Mbeki was protected by OR Tambo hence Hani contested Mbeki in the first ANC conference inside South Africa 🇿🇦 in Durban 1991. Walter Sisulu was persuaded to accept the deputy presidency in order to avert an acrimonious contest for the position among a younger generation of leaders particularly between Thabo Mbeki, Tambo's protégé, and Chris Hani, a SACP and MK leader. Hani died in 1993, Mbeki got rid of Holomisa in 1995 who was very close to Madiba and a rising star with the ANC but didn’t understand ANC’s internal politics. Mbeki made it worse when he appointed his loyalists in BBEEE deals comrades like Saki Macozoma, Phalo Jordan, Phahad brothers, Moleketis, Trevor Manuel Smuts Ngonyamas and others.. and sidelined mostly his MK rivalries. This is the group that regrouped with Zuma and toppled Mbeki in Polokwane…

[@malakiamatheus1822]

Well researched and packaged for us your audience.

[@BoscoeAlbert]

This is the decolonization of education, I'm talking about. We are not saying we don't want to learn about WW2 etc., but to Southern Africans especially, these lessons are of the essence. Tanki Sizwe 👊Carry on my Guy 💪

[@kwezilomsosonkwala4933]

Thank you Doc. It would be lovely to have another episode about the relationship between Uncle Ranko (Cyril Ramaphosa) and Thabo Mbeki, particularly considering the recent tensions between them. Over the past two years, Thabo Mbeki has been critical of Ramaphosa's leadership, even going so far as to label him and others as "thieves." Despite Mbeki's vocal criticisms, Ramaphosa seems to maintain a more restrained approach, perhaps opting to avoid direct confrontation with Mbeki and refraining from engaging in the strong views expressed against him. These dynmics I, are significant, especially given the history between the two men. Notably, Ramaphosa has been mentioned twice in your story: once when he replaced Mbeki, and another time when Mbeki was selected instead of him to be president. These instances suggest a complex dynamic between the two leaders, characterized by a deep-seated rivalry.

[@gidmosia7065]

Rama has been a white man s finger man from the time he has been in the trade unions struggle and the formation of cosatu/num puppet stunts an interesting figure adding the codesa fiasco Rama to date has been a big obstacle in the revolution

[@donovancalvinmeyer1837]

That would be interesting but is there rivalry or perceive rivalry , did Mbeki label Ramaphoso a "thieve " or was he not reffering to local leaders ?

[@kwezilomsosonkwala4933]

Go watch the videos and analyze them yourself; that's what I gathered from watching and analyzing the videos. Secondly, it is crucial to note that most often when we speak, we speak from a social constructionism realm, meaning that we take knowledge and make sense of it within the context of social interactions and shared understandings. Then, I stated 'this suggests,' acknowledging the possibility that this might not be the fact, rather, solely my own interpretation of the sdynamics between the two individuals. Thank you

[@menzimabuza3304]

@@kwezilomsosonkwala4933You are correct there is a deep seated rivalry between Mbeki and Ramaphosa. In fact Mbeki and Zuma can co-exist but when you bring Ramaphosa into the mix Mbeki and Zuma can stand together. Mbeki had work well with Oliver Tambo. He had a difficult relationship with Chriss Hanni. Chriss Hanni together with Joe Slovo were for an military take over of the South African State and not a negotiated settlement. Chriss Hanni was a communist who advocated for the full distribution of land to the black majority and complete nationalisation of the mineral resources of South Africa, anything less than that was a deal break for Him. He was very popular within the movement. was only second to Oliver Tambo and Nelson Mandela in Popularity.

[@tell.A.vision]

There's no profound relationship between the two... Can't make content out of nothing

[@fortunetshabalala534]

Interesting, but I couldn't help but wonder how much we do not know about what transpired behind the scenes during those CODESA negotiation years. Who was making decisions if not the ANC itself?🤔 how Zuma and Mbeki got to be removed may just be one of many valid questions to ask about most of the decision makings of that Era...

[@thubalethugasa8379]

These chaps are sworn to secrecy, even when they fight they don't say out loud exactly what happened.

[@shirleysamela2902]

Thank you for taking us back on our president’s history 🙏🏿

[@ConversationsWithJesusChrist]

"Yayy rainbow nation, Constitution, and all that... and Tintswalo's life begins"😂😂😂😭😭 DID I NOT LAUGH

[@Jay-rd3hn]

Rainbow Nation was a concept that most people didn’t know it was new and South Africa 🇿🇦 would overcome as it overcame apartheid.

[@senzomemela1311]

​@@Jay-rd3hna rainbow only dominated by one superior color...is no rainbow at all...

[@Jay-rd3hn]

@@senzomemela1311 it difficult to get it right because we still using their language to study from grade R until university level. Tell me one school in town here South Africa 🇿🇦 that is using vernacular to study all subjects until matric. The worse thing is the yards we have in township are so small you can’t even extend RDP house to build a house of your dreams with swimming pools. I have seen developers building tiny houses for about R600k in a land area of 262 metre squares and that is a total ripoff. Most houses in towns you will find that the yards starts from 800 metre squares. Apartheid is not over yet in South Africa 🇿🇦 because you can’t go to town find school that teaches African language as second language but you mostly find schools teaching in English and Afrikaans or English or Afrikaans as second language like during apartheid and we say apartheid is over in South Africa 🇿🇦. Language is information ℹ️ and information is knowledge, without knowledge you died even bible says my people are dying because of lack of knowledge. People who are not informed they can’t produce anything they will always follow those who are well informed and have knowledge.

[@mzikantumatoti4861]

I died lol 😂😂😂😂 Sizwe

[@oreomario]

Thoroughly enjoying the Sunday segment,very educational. Ayeye🔥🔥

[@_SMWX]

Glad to hear it

[@andile5945]

Brilliant, Sizwe. You've become - with your team - a south african political expert in my eyes. Great coverage!!

[@Rose-n8k7n]

Can thabo Mbki be a president to rescue South Africa ❤

[@christinanxumalo6811]

Thank you Dr Mpofu. I'm eagerly waiting for you to release a book on unfiltered South African history. Our grandchildren will learn a lot from such.

[@Siriuan]

Enkosi Buti Sizwe for the deep-dive! Fascinating history indeed :) We can safely say ANC belongs in a museum after these elections. Hope they don't self-destruct

[@MmeliEe]

You're very late, the ANC has already self-distructed. It begins where they force Msholozi into office and calling back Rama, it's only that the effects are not all instant

[@deborahgreene1432]

No 😂! Not museum 😂😂 Muslims... ANC has converted to Islam... don't you see what scarf they wear these days 🙆 theyve absolutely forsaken those ancestors whom they used to worship....this is not only called Change of Religion... The definition of this MADNESS is defined Cooku Land😢 what an Insult to those "madlozi'😊

[@Coco-kw3iv]

Thank you very much Sizwe. How I wish these two great political fathers could come together and do what is right for the love of the people and leave us with a beautiful legacy for the last chapter...

[@caesar3909]

Deep dive into Cyril Ramaposa would be great.

[@mananammalegae]

💯 thank you I agree that would be extremely helpful

[@wfed3528]

His past is probably classified

[@philaniphmsomi8340]

sellout and apartheid spy. nothing more.

[@gidmosia7065]

Indeed an interesting figure and feature as the fingernan

[@TheMusicChap4]

Useless that one

[@njabulondaba152]

I bet Thabo Mbeki won those chess matches.

[@ziphelelekhumalo9429]

I think so, too but something tells me those were close wins

[@GodcaresDube]

Looking at what happened when Zuma was fired and he won the pulukwane conference and he waited for his turn after the elections to go to office that to me shows that he won most of their games.

[@gladmabena4477]

This would make a great Netflix series.

[@williemarthinus9619]

Excellent piece of SA history.

[@johndias1439]

Awesome analysis... perhaps Cyril vs Zuma breakdown will be nice...in your next episode..

[@1986aurora]

Def with the gloves off u know. A totally honest brutal real analysis on 2 of the biggest names in south africa history. I think ppl who like and dislike them both would enjoy a breakdown.

[@General_LG]

bro, really ? Cyril vs Zuma?

[@leonardojordyn4864]

South African politics like to underestimate president Zuma incredible history of freedom fighting sacrifice

[@scelonkwanyana3436]

Wonder why you had to say Rural KZN with Zuma, but only said Eastern Cape with Mbeki "Thabo Mbeki was born in Eastern Cape & Jacob Zuma in Rural KZN".................While you could have said "in KZN"...........just like you just said Eastern Cape with Mbeki.

[@sandilezulu3973]

The Mbekis were the elites so the rural nature of EC was not the major influence in his life. Whereas for Zuma it was. And yes he is from deep rural side across uThukela.

[@unathimichaelmxaku8105]

Thanks Sizwe broer, very important topic for SA and the timing is 👌.

[@MrXolaX]

If you added pictures and video media to this video it give it visual context it could get 500,000 views easily.

[@Dr_RisimatiMathye]

My good Doc_ This high intellectual deduction of facts and clarity is superlative! Your high-level sequencing of facts is so unparalleled! I don't know how many times I watched this upload!🙌🌟🙌_ We need to hear more of this! Blessings 🙌

[@wendydobson1024]

Brilliant history teacher.

[@siyandachonco]

I loved this Sizwe. Thank you.

[@viwenyati3529]

In the kitchen preparing lunch listening to such a good analogy of these two giants. They’re towering figures in post apartheid ANC, we all feel a certain way and hold opinions over them both.

[@1986aurora]

Yes I agree. I enjoy seeing this being discussed. We all have opinions regarding what is being discussed. I enjoy seeing it on a public platform it's important to know facts that hVe and continue to contribute to south africa.

[@karabommako9859]

Thoroughly enjoyed watching this history lesson. I think these are extremely important, especially for the youth that might not be so clued up on our full political history. I am definitely in support of more segments like these.

[@Yassir_AraFunk2247]

Thabo Mbheki's father Govan Mbheki was very fond of Jacob Zuma

[@AnthonyLouther]

The cycle of the corrupted Anc had to be broken as this corrupted Anc have forgotten Madiba and those before him im sure they would all agree that this Anc and Cyril Ramaphosa of Disgrace and Shame have to go.😯🫢🙆‍♂️🤦‍♂️👍👏

[@ayandasphelelendlovu9769]

Born in Eastern Cape and "rural" KZN? Was this a conscious decision to use such language?

[@nkululekonene1630]

I asked myself too

[@shaistamohammed625]

Please can Mabeki campaign for president it will be appreciated ❤❤❤❤

[@mutolimutoli9753]

The question still remains. Their reasons to join ANC. From a distance it is obvious that Zuma joined the ANC for personal reasons. While looking after his father's cattles, he started to plot against his brothers. Who will be the head of Zumas clan after his father pass away? That's where Zuma decided to join ANC so he could be chief as it was not in his mother's side to be chief. This became obvious when his friend Shabbir be found guilty. By Mbeki choice Zuma became deputy president. Mbekis ambition of continuing to control the ANC thought Zuma was easy target. Mbeki didn't want to have a much educated deputy as you indicated that Mbeki once disappointed that Ramaphosa took chief negotiator position that he earmarked. That's why the two of them hate Ramaphosa with passion. But one thing they both forget is that their hatred of Ramaphosa is killing the ANC. That's how stupid they acting. As for Zuma with the support of Malema, Blade, gwede, Vavi, Jim, your uncle and others thought it was good to have a corrupt president like Zuma. What both of you didn't realise was that Zuma will be greedy in such a way he will not tolerate any competitors like Malema in stealing public funds. As Zuma became president he realise that he had achieved more than he thought, to be the Joseph of the Zuma clan where his brothers will bow to his command. He can now be a modern Shaka Zulu. If he controls the state fund he can build a much greater royal homestead beautifullier than what Shaka Zulu will build in this modern days. So he built Nkandla. Swimming pool looking like a blade of spear. A 💓 heart like pool and called it. Fire safety pool. His children 21 must gain richness through stealing from public funds. It this great? Well back to the thief himself Zuma. You speak fondly of Zuma. Not a suprise because dearest uncle is making a lot of money and you in turn are very fond of Malema. You speak of Zuma as some hero. Plainly inside your heart you know the guy massed up. Gupta's, Bosasa, trying to steal money everywhere including putting a final nail to VBS. Including Malema too a part in VBS robbery. My question to you, your uncle and others who support Zuma, is : " do you care about poor South African citizens, the civil war that some of you shows in support of corruption,?" Apartheid may have died, but devide and rule still exist in line with tribalism. My advice. The ANC belongs to the people of South Africa. The 112 years of its existence should be preserved . That's where all of you are wrong. The ANC is not Ramaphosa. It's South African citizens. So Mbeki and Zuma will be seen as the ones who killed the ANC. Not Cyril Ramaphosa alone. History is going to punish them all.

[@Anevmusic]

Interesting analysis. But maybe there's another perspective. Everyone has always assumed that the ANC has 2 centres of power but i think there are three and there has always been three: (Mandela/Ramaphosa) + (Hani/Zuma) + (Tambo/Mbeki). It was this dynamic that could have been exploited in CODESA by the West and National Party. My theory is that in the late 1980s Tambo successfully negotiated support from China and Russia but once the National Party caught wind of this they made a deal with the West and lobbied a deal that forced the Mandela centre to agree to something that was half truth, thus delaying the BRICS block. The Robben island solitary confinement may have been used as a tool of sowing misinformation which led to the division of the ANC during that time. With all that said I don't believe in the Zuma vs Mbeki narrative but rather an African Identity vs the World outlook with the battle of ideas within the ANC raging trying to achieve a sovereign African Identity not tied to colonialism or racism. Our country needs to come together beyond race lines and build as the Afrikaners did in order to become independent from the rest of the world.

[@makhosininkosi2430]

Uyishayile mfwethu. Thank you

[@lehlohonologumede8953]

😂 Mbeki went to school in London. Mbeki was a servant of the West. Even in his arms procurement, Russia and China were not invited. How can it be that been trained in Russia like you claim, he then exclude Russia in his arms deal procurement. He sold all profitable SOEs to Britons and not the East. Why was he arrested in Angola in 1985. You make me laugh man. Go fo another research

[@babalontloko1680]

By far two of the most polarizing figures in SA politics

[@sydneyopperman5023]

Fascinating story ! From someone who was born in 1942.

[@christinanxumalo6811]

Who?😂😂😂😂❤

[@General_LG]

who , im confused

[@nkosinathikuleta6138]

Both Mbeki and Zuma

[@thamimasuku3443]

Great summary and great insights. Please look into the “Black Jack” figure of Ramaphosa in how the two men break up and how his lingering in the backgrounds defines the complex nature of the political tensions of the Mass Democratic Movement and the entrenched political-economic interests of the Capital.

[@mohaleSlebea776]

Mbeki by far was the best to take this country further

[@General_LG]

i do not agree . but if i was a white man i would

[@Aninomazi_]

​@@General_LGdumb

[@MthobisiAyandaMntungwa]

Not agree at all he had 2/3rd majority but never use it.

[@LawrenceRadebe-ei1kv]

Please research objectively, surprise surprise.That org. is some piece of work, an amphibian and a monster....evil personified.

[@Inyosi888]

I heard Zuma speaks Russian when did he actually learn it and how long if possible he lived in Russia?

[@KazieD]

We Lost a leader in Zizi 😢 we are still weeping as a nation and I dont think we will ever recover. The ANC lost the WC the day they removed Mbeki and have been struggling ever since.

[@lubabalohoho4662]

One can not help but notice that this gentleman is a huge Zuma fan. just listen to him, how he lights up when talking about Zuma, and how he tries to influence the listeners by justifying this comparison he is making. We take nothing from Zuma and the good work that he has done but these two against of the liberation movement can never be compared. their presidency terms help us make that distinction. even the work delegated to them just clarifies those differences. I am not saying the other is better than the other. this to me is like comparing a striker and a defender

[@MzwakheMxakaza]

Very interesting, Sizwe can you please get hold of Mr. Terra Lekota to come give us his life story and as a member of ANC and tell us what exactly happened as he said Ramaphosa is or was a SPY for apartheid regime...thank u.

[@manyananihlwatika726]

I can't wait for this episode... Wise men and women always say he who left the union building at first was our own goal... Look at our country now ..

[@ArthurMeyerdirect]

You are harping on the history and that's okay but the past is done and dusted and not one second of it can be changed , we were given eyes to look forward and the future is something that we can change and that is what we need to focus on not two 80 year old men who have fucked up the country because of their rivalry . This country also does not need racism to be perpetuated by people like Julius Malema and those that want to use racism to keep them relevant in society because if racism and the shit of apartheid were left out of conversations and the media then these sorts of people would be swept away by the tide of history and they would be cast into the history books where there relevance would become lost in the sands of time .

[@whataday5414]

They were removed in absentia... That means the sellouts had managed to infiltrate. Ramaphosa as their puppet was placed 😢

[@thamimahlangu]

You are doing a brilliant job🎉

[@molotowamapulana]

Dude this was amazing. Thanks for the insight

[@_SMWX]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@phiwo8998]

Why does this feel like it was too short ! Was so captured in this story. @Siz, do you think Ramaphosa being chief negotiator and then going on to be a billionaire means he was compromised in our negotiations

[@deborahgreene1432]

😂😂😂 Hello Zuma 😅😅😅 i think I must rather relocate to Gaza

[@eugeniazukiswaTshetsha11285]

"Nanko ke uLintswalo"!!!! Comic Sizwe!!! I & We truly love you SIZWE MPOFU WALSH - yhoo you are a DeepThinker mfan'akuthi - A PURE BLESSING in the whole of South Africa. We appreciate you - UPWARD & FORWARD SMWX !!!

[@luzukombuqu4976]

President Mbeki was the best this country ever had. Everything we have as a country and how to run government was mostly because of him.

[@Moyopheus]

The one part that you missed here was that Zuma was not the big star he is today. Mbeki chose Zuma to be DP because he didn't want a popular rival being so powerful like Ramaphosa was , he went with someone he thought was weak and a unifying factor being a Zulu man. Zuma remember was just an MEC and then becomes DP?! That was quite a rise but a calculation by Mbeki anticipating he wouldn't be a threat to him and being friends it made it easier. This was Mbekis miscalculation. And that's how Zuma became Zuma.

[@ntombikaysedanisa8645]

Mr Mbeki is much more than that. He is stilll a thinker even today. So that thinking was not of Pres Mbeki, he was about producing best results and didnt like to be associated with illegal activities like state capture, corruption, etc.

[@nickmatyida77]

This piece was unexpected. A classic!!!! You dope man...

[@cypriannzama4731]

Thanks Sizwe for staying neutral in your analysis of these two giant leaders. The country is now too polarised to visualise positive contributions from these leaders. Keep it up.

[@G-d187]

Tribalism is the Elephant In The Room Here !

[@markwinter7511]

They have something else in common and they may even share it with you Sizwe. And thats a fixation on the past and an inability to deal with it practically. Our history is compelling but our future is in front of us and unless we very quickly wake up to the realities of whats required of us in the global world we will remain beggars at the table. We have not caught up with the rest since the end of apartheid we have fallen further behind. Read the recent reports on Eskom and the mining industry in SA and you should realize that swimming around in the past instead of getting on with things is going to land us in a lot of trouble. JZ in particular is a has been with a disastrous record as president who now thinks his personal vendetta is bigger than the country.

[@Siriuan]

Careerist politicians. The ANC has lost all the salt and essence. And we are sinking with them...

[@samzondi8086]

I think there is an invusible hand here pitting Mbeki against Zuma.

[@mangelepongolo9290]

You are clearly profiling Zuma

[@HamandisheMpofu]

Ahhh🤜🏿 Dr ! I love it. You narrated this story with so much passion, facts and comics that make it so much more intense, captivating and quite intriguing to keep listening and watching. You're indeed quite amazing at this Sir. Well done Dr.

[@_SMWX]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@khanyisanimlotshwa3056]

I enjoyed it as well 🎉🎉🎉

[@HamandisheMpofu]

@@khanyisanimlotshwa3056 amazingly beautiful, for South Africans by the South Africans young blood and vibrant intelligent, fearless minds and scholars alike 👌🏿.

[@stivo9730]

Fascinating stuff! I love the detail and the delivery. Best 30 minutes of my day. Thanks for the excellent content!

[@_SMWX]

Thanks!

[@dulciechomey3176]

Dear Sizwe😂 I would like to know what was happening with Chris Hani just before the Cdesa negotiation.

[@dulciechomey3176]

Chris was very popular and well loved by the man & woman in the street, especially by the youth then.I'm 86 yes and had very high hopes for Chris Hani to be in the first democratic government of this my Beloved country.

[@dulciechomey3176]

I really love your dedication to factual and unbiased reporting. Brilliant!!!. Carry on.!!

[@cypriannzama4731]

Zuma has proven in many occasions that he is a cat with multiple lives. He has survived too many stab wounds in his life. He is the GOAT (Greatest of all times) Long Live Msholozi

[@mbandelagroup2124]

mbeki is born in the eastern cape, zuma in [rural] kzn *ave ninendlela yokhuluma

[@khulekaniaustinkhumalo9953]

Eeew hyaaz, kuyamangaza

[@gracesitsha7906]

Great stuff, even though I would wish you would have explored more on the time when they were really close and what really brought about the ultimate fall out.I believe that TM was exploited into hating really really despising JZ.

[@leratomohlaudi5814]

This was a great episode, you have give a lot of context on their rivalry

[@ZongameleTshikana]

This was a very educational, informative and well researched presentation. Enkosi Mhlekazi

[@General_LG]

this is one of your best video

[@NancyBarnes-p3r]

NOW I UNDERSTAND 😊❤

[@pamelaleibowitz3019]

Sadly it is the country that is suffering!The values we must aspire to are Honesty, integrity ,accountability and responsibility! We must elect leaders that understand the importance of moral values and principles!

[@andilemxotwa8356]

Best years of the ANC and the country! Wonderful rendition of an amazing history of two of our favourite sons Sizwe.

[@homemail9653]

Well narrated. This was gripping for my apolitical mind. Like listening to a political soapie. The Tale of Two Presidents. Very informative...

[@Siriuan]

"The Tale of Two Presidents" I think you need to trademark that 😅 it would make a good book title;)

[@eliasledwaba8246]

Sizwe, this could make a very interesting documentary, titled "A tale between two presidents ." Explore that idea

[@ShaunyKnuckles]

Zuma was corrupt what was Mbeki to do

[@Coco-kw3iv]

That's an old dull song. Wake up

[@kambulaeditor9764]

Ukhuluma into ekhulunywa ngabantu abangamthandi uZuma awukhulumi okubonile or okwaziyo

[@MalibongweNombande]

Dope history lesson as well as a great contribution to the writing of our history and narrative. Thanks Hlubi.

[@yobalicious5631]

thanks Dr for your narration of this fascinating story of these 2 political figures.....bring us more of these

[@bokamososenatle5616]

It's so surprising, Mbeki went underground during Zuma's Presidency. But now with Ramaphosa he took a very challenging step on him and ANC. He spoke about Phala Phala & renewal of the ANC and how the ANC abuse its majority in Parliament. Mbeki asked them how can he campaign for criminals.😅 The ANC doesn't want challenge itself, its a good thing now that both former leaders recognise the fall of the ANC but remain obstinate in rescuing it. 😊

[@mbongelenibuthelezi3384]

Mind blowing and critical analysis of these two case studies, excellent work.

[@gidmosia7065]

Aye ye what a break down and Zuma will be a continuas important figure that relates to the more powerful progressive revolution and represents the undying radical movement and fight against oppression till the bitter end unlike mbeki and other compromised leaders

[@NgolaNalane]

Judge both leaders based on how good the country was. Under Mbeki SA was way better don't even lie

[@ntombikaysedanisa8645]

🙄🙄🙄

[@notyetuhuru]

A documentary about Matamela's rise to power will be the most intriguing. Zuma was born to lead, and his political prowess is unmatched. I think in the history of South Africa, Msholozi is undeniable the most influential leader after Mandela.

[@makhosazanemweli]

🤞🤞

[@MrTobyjansen]

Love this new bend. I listened from start to finish.Yes, this is going to be a good sport.

[@_SMWX]

🙌🏽

[@Snow-wh9gk]

I'm from Namibia 🇳🇦 this has been an incredible analysis of our present time. But the question remain, why it that all liberation struggle organizations in Southern Africa have weaker strategic thinkers?

[@1986aurora]

Good question

[@NgolaNalane]

Not just southern africa but all of Africa has this same problem

[@sabelomoloi8008]

Very informative. Thank you! Ayeye😀

[@NdaloNtontela]

Sizwe, you are amazing! I like how you dissect things so easily. I enjoy watching your pieces. Thank you.

[@clintonleeuw3954]

Love this… Please do more. There are more South Africans that don’t know this than do! Thank you for this

[@mamoramokgopa2159]

Sizwe told such a good story, this could for a good movie

[@SydneyD28-6]

One thing that is seriously underestimated in SA politics, is the infiltration by the enemy through various means. When you read "The Ugly face of Neo-Colonialism" you learn how people like Mbeki, Mobutu Seseseko, Mugabe and many black politicians who went to Europe, and later became presidents, were nothing but agents of the enemy... And here I am talking about Mbeki(yes he was and still remains the undetected agent provacature)... While(ironically), Zuma remains the last man standing who was never captured by the enemy, hence his status of the most hated black politician by the enemy and its minions like Mbeki, Ramaphosa and others.

[@Fat89789]

🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@silindilengwane]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@ohlangeni]

Your analysis in on point. Mbeki comes from the Mfengu, a class of Europeanised Black South Africans who fought for the British, took land from the natives, granted them to White people. Many still identify with European Culture, religion and support the Colonial legacy such as opposing land to dispossed Black South Africans. Mbeki left South Africa at 16 years. He is Europeanized. He has no connection to the historical desire of Black South Africans. He thinks we just want to be English speaking Middle Class group living in White suburbs. Mbeki was given a Two-Thirds majority by Black South Africans; yet, he deliberately refused to: 1. Standardised the Nguni language as well as the Sotho language both remain sub-divided "tribal" languages that will never challenge English as the language of government, officialdom and National languages. 2. He refusee to remove Roman-Dutch Law, resuscitating and development our partially Codified isiNtu Law (Judge Hlophe who is an expert on African Law was removed precisely because hw could have become a Chief Justice and promote isiNtu law). 3. Mbeki refused to change the Constitution, removing the Sun-Set Clauses that protect Colonial gains, and preserve the vestiges of Apartheid. 4. Mbeki refused to expropriate land that was idle (not in use), to be granted to land-less and dispossessed Black South Africans. He advocates the failed Willing Seller/Willing Buyer approach. 5. He refused to remove the Land Restitution into Community Trust. Community Trusts do not give Black people personal title over the land. Black people were set up for failure and all land returned via Community Trust fail (as it was meant to be).

[@christinanxumalo6811]

​@@ohlangenithank you for your breakdown. Our younger generations who get exposed to international education and cultures must be taught to adopt only the positives that will not colonise their minds and belittle their history and culture.

[@Siriuan]

​@@ohlangeni hmmmm....

[@ntuthukomakhubo6928]

A great watch Sizwe...please do a historical come up of Cyril and the unadressed issues sounding his links with WMC.

[@siphomavolontiya7600]

Great Dr Mpofu _Walsh well researched I've always enjoyed your Videos, very educational and I wish the youth more especially should be exposed to such insights, keep up the good work and may the good Lord protect you❤❤❤🎉

[@makhosazanemweli]

Sizwe, you've an amazing voice ❤❤

[@NdaloNtontela]

I must confess I can't ignore looking at how spitting an image you are of your father, by voice and all, nezimbo (ask him what that means)

[@VelaSbiya]

Abngani bakambeki abthathe upresident wabo bayohlala naye ezweni labantu aba rich bayomtshela khona ukuthi he is the best president South Africa has ever produced for them not for us

[@philaniphmsomi8340]

We need more of this analysis, with a deeper and thorough information. Their fighting (Zuma and Mbeki broke the ANC, and the country. Now, this is my analysis, Its clear as water that there has always been a compaign to character assassinate Zuma, to paint him as unintelligent, corrupt, not fit to be the head state. Even his role in the struggle is not being told correctly and given the praise it deserves. The man was the head of ANC intel, Commander of MK, Head of ANC in Mozambique, spent 10 years in Robben Island, pretty much stopped the civil war in KZN, etc. Yet we still hear people referring to him as unintelligent, especially AmaXhosa and none Zulus in general. Also remember that Amabhunu hated Zuma and Chris Hani pretty much the same. There were several attempts to assassinate him, i recall when the Apartheid government bombed his flat in Zimbabwe but Zuma outsmarted them like he often did, he survived. Zuma is being attacked because he remains loyal to the original principles of the ANC (Pro East and Anti West, hence his relationship with Russia and Putin) , while others, including Mbeki compromised. Mandela, Tutu and Mbeki all wears FREEMANSONS RINGS, to me this says everything about who control them and whose agenda they are/were serving. We could have made so much progress as a nation if Mbeki and Zuma worked together in past 30 years. I often say this, picture SA where Mbeki is the head of state for 30+ years while Zuma is the Head of the ANC. Zuma connect with ordinary people on the ground, and drive the policies of the ANC with Mbeki tasked to implement them.

[@teknikairaoulolgandessabek4102]

To truly know and understand freemasonry and not follow conspiracy theories please order this book by Tim Dedopulos. It's called The Brotherhood, Inside the Secret World of the Free mansions. You will find out that there is nothing really special about this dying secret society.

[@ahmadu89]

Zuma and Mbeki rivalry vs Zuma and Ramaphosa rivalry which is more impactful on SA politics

[@emmanuelmanxoba6265]

Good rendition of both political figures. Though it's clearly said that Thabo Mbeki's presidency was productive. Not much emphasis is placed on Jacob Zuma's tenure with his deputy who is the current president. One wonders what's your take...

[@matsetsebalemojapelo9903]

South African Politicians are dangerously divided into two groups and or factional camps of the type of useless political ideologies, at the expense of the Alliance Partnership! These TWO Leaders, who are for the interest of the West and the other who is for Leaders who are Corrupt amongst themselves because they are too Ethnic in their Minds and are for a lifetime Leadership, even if they know that South Africa has various ethnic Groups, which in fact, doesn’t Agree on a number of Political issues, regarding how to Achieve Black Majority’s Real progressive liberation struggles! Therefore, Only the Yourh of this RSA country could change the course through an Adoption of a New formed type of Colonial shared Power and or smart political terrains in their country! Apartheid is said to be gone, however we see a new type of Apartheid that has just re-emerged through strategic looting of State Resources by the latter’s ideology!

[@normanmasuku9341]

The big question is why Zuma never speak or criticise or defend himself from the attacks coming from Mbeki. I might have missed them but I have had Mbeki attacking or criticising Zuma administration and Suma never respond why.

[@fredscherf8266]

Sizwe u are awesome

[@BonganiMathebula-gy3lw]

Big up Sizwe..I hope all this small boys who are busy following this devil called Jacob Zuma can understand everything you just explained and understand what Zuma is all about. He is always fighting and using people to gain what he wants