Skyrim - 5 WEIRD Dwemer Theories - Elder Scrolls Lore

[@Fjolvarr]

The dwemer have sent themselves forwards in time to see the next release of the lusty argonian maid

[@badluck5647]

Shout out to the person who commented in the Theories Podcast that said that Dwemer and the Hist are the same beings. We all needed the laugh.

[@Feathertusk]

You are most welcome!

[@himoragenma6416]

That's that STUPID EPICNATE SHIT!!!!

[@badluck5647]

@@himoragenma6416 Epic Nate is awesome. Camel is the one with half baked theories.

[@himoragenma6416]

@@badluck5647 😭🤣😂😆👏👏👏

[@darthmaul5279]

Shout out? Yol thor sul!

[@cosmogoblin]

I've never heard the time loop theory, but I already love it. I propose a slightly modified version: the Dwemer in an early kalpa (perhaps the first) found the Heart of Lorkhan, used it to insinuate themselves into the next kalpa, and rinse and repeat, becoming more technologically and philosophically progressed in each kalpa until they truly transcend. In our kalpa, Kagrenac didn't fail, but he didn't succeed: he reset the Dwemer for the next kalpa, when they will get closer to their goals. A bit like Groundhog Day.

[@DomyTheMad420]

fascinating theory!!

[@flameski_]

Perhaps the Dwemer simply found out they are in a videogame.

[@vinnybertacchi4918]

They found out they were in a video game, then because the mighty Dwemer couldn't possibly be in a videoga... (poof)

[@brianroberts783]

One interpretation of Vivec's description of the Wheel is that it's a computer disc. In other words that achieving CHIM allowed him to recognize that he was in a video game. So, yes, that's a valid theory.

[@therockingvolbeat3630]

That’s basically zero summing

[@erurainon6842]

So we have to looking for them in real world😮

[@badluck5647]

The Toddhead: Ctrl Alt Del

[@justme0910]

I like the soul trap theory the most, probably because it's very similar to my own pet theory that the Falmer did something similar - they (in a process similar to what Serana can do to help a non-vampiric Dragonborn enter the Soul Cairn) partially soul trapped their entire race and confined pieces of their spirit inside the Eyes of The Falmer to preserve the memories and legacy of their culture despite its inevitable decline at the hands of the Dwemer.

[@badluck5647]

*M'aiq the Liar* _"There is no mystery. M'Aiq knows all. The dwarves were here, and now they are not! They were very short folks... Or perhaps they were not. It all depends on your perspective. I'm sure they thought they were about the right height."_

[@badluck5647]

The Dwemer's origins, history, and philosophy is way more interesting than their disappearance.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@Ghost Phoenix Agreed. I want Bethesda to do the Snow Elves justice and show us their full Lore as well. It's a tragic shame we know next to nothing about their people.

[@badluck5647]

@@thalmoragent9344 I'm glad that the Skyrim developers left the falmer alone. Based on the Falmer statues, the Bethesda team didn't seem to have plans beyond making the Falmer religion a carbon copy of the Altmer religion. The vagueness opens up more possibilities for future writers to give the Mer their own cultural flare beyond being cold Altmer.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@badluck5647 Well, having similarities to the Altmer as an Anuic Race of Mer makes sense. The Direnni Elves are a lot like the Altmer of Summerset as well, but they also had their differences that set them apart. So I assume the Snow Elves would be the same. The Aldmeri Gods are of course the same, but maybe some practices and traditions the Falmer had may have been different to the standards of Altmeri customs. Even the Ayleids had a very similar start like the Altmer but had a spin on it as well. So having the same Elven gods isn't a bad thing, it's just that, as you said, Bethesda hardly touched their actual society or traditions or special individuals outside of like, 3 people I agree the Falmer shouldn't just be cold-pale Altmer, but the religious elements are most likely very similar due to the general Aldmeri beliefs across most all Mer. Even the Dunmer see the Aldmeri gods as their ancestors but they don't worship them in a Pantheon, just alongside all their ancestor family as well. Maybe the Falmer also worshipped all their Ancestors too, but still had the Aldmeri Gods as their central Pantheon, ancestor spirits with great power. But yeah, I just want more Ancient Falmer society to be known

[@badluck5647]

@@thalmoragent9344 The Direnni Elves are just a noble house of the Altmer. It like pointing out the cultural similarities between the Dunmer and House Redoran. I would prefer the Falmer religion be more similar to the Bosmer religion where it has an overlapping pantheon, but with new myths and different emphasis on different gods. Last thing I want is where their religion gets the same treatment as the modern Nords (a reuse of the 9 Divines instead of giving them their own beliefs).

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@badluck5647 Well, yeah I'd like for them to have more stories on the Aldmeri gods and the others involved with them, yeah. But unlike the Bosmer, the Falmer were surrounded by Mer in all directions, save for the humans to the North So really, I can't see them having many Khajit or other sentient beings share myths or names of Gods with. That's unlikely. But I agree they need something to spice them up, like the Ayleids did. A new way of worshipping the Aldmeri Pantheon and the vast stories they may have As for the Nords, yeah I was hella disappointed with the lack of the Atmoran Pantheon on the side of the Stormcloaks. So much for "true Nords".

[@JXEditor]

Fighting in Morrowind, the Dwemer were probably covered in ash and dust when they disappeared. It would look like they “turned to dust”

[@Camelworks]

Here’s my theory. The Dwemer never existed and Yagrum Bargarn is a Bosmer poser

[@DominatorS89]

I love the last theory, it has my heart! My problem with the 'zero sum' theory is that it requires all Dwemer to think the same way and be unable to reconcile their experienced existence with the knowledge they are part of the godhead's dream. Every race has individual difference in its members and I'd expect at least some Dwemer would have been able to achieve chim, rather than zero sum. At least some would have been able to will themselves into existence I think.

[@morrigankasa570]

What if the majority "zero summed", but some did actually achieve CHIM. However those that did so then used that knowledge to escape into an Oblivion Plane that they became trapped within. After all the Aetherial Staff summons Dwemer Automatons and Conjuration summons things from Oblivion Planes rather then creates things from nothing. So perhaps the handful of Dwemer that achieved CHIM, fled into an Oblivion Plane with many of their machines and materials, then changed that plane into a "Perfect World" for themselves and trapped themselves by their own desire for perfection. So the Aetherial Staff simply calls things from that plane. Or even darker idea, they achieved CHIM and became the "Ideal Masters" of the Soul Cairn....!

[@Patch2112]

@@morrigankasa570 To be fair, the Ideal Masters were met already in another TES game (I believe Battlespire?) and I forget if they’re expounded upon more there but I don’t think Dwemer is a likely origin

[@morrigankasa570]

@@Patch2112 True, the Dwemer being Ideal Masters is more deep paranoia exaggeration. But the first part of my comment is purely a logical idea that isn't too paranoid.

[@Patch2112]

@@morrigankasa570 Oh definitely! The first part sounds like a really interesting idea, and honestly I’ve had similar ideas. Barring the possibility that it was a collective “forced” Zero Sum?

[@morrigankasa570]

@@Patch2112 If was a "Forced" Zero Sum then that complicates things even more. Because that would have to imply some greater power/being deliberately causing it and blocking CHIM, then using Kagronack or whatever his name was as a Scapegoat.

[@samuelwnovak]

The fact that the last theory actually seems the most plausible out of all the theories I’ve ever read/heard says a lot about this universe’s lore and lore community 😵‍💫🤓

[@eru.maewos7673]

I doubt that Yagrum Bagarn was the only dwemer in an outerrealm during the dragon break in which his whole race dissapeared. There are probably at least some 100 to possibly a 1.000 dwemer alive but out of Nirn. For it is unplausible that for a race of millions, only one was exploring the daedric realms during the event.

[@awsomebot1]

just to be clear, no in-game source implies a dragon break happened (aside from the conflicting accounts of events which is usual for irl & tes history) Trial of Vivec explicitly says there was a dragon break, but thats not canon even though devs and kirkbride were involved with its making

[@The_Magos]

Considering a dragon break occurs whenever the Numidium activates, all the theories are true especially the falsehoods! 😆

[@yigitdemir3723]

I am loving what you are doing with this channel. Somehow you always touch into the specific lore points that I love. Please keep up the good work.

[@DrewmoraYT]

Thank you!

[@JayMannStuff]

When Kagrenac struck the Heart of Lorkhan, aka the heart of Mundus, the Heart did what it has done before. When Auriel struck at the Heart of Lorkhan in anger, the Heart laughed and said that it could not be destroyed within Mundus, for the Heart and the World were made to satisfy the other. When Arniel struck the warped soul gem, it was like blowing into a brass trumpet. The vibrations channel within and throughout. But the Heart and the World are one. So then the tonal magic resonates with the world and is reflected back into its wielder. But only at the consent of Lorkhan, as shown when he refused Auriel. Yagram Bagarn couldn't share the fate of the other dwarves because he was outside of Mundus. And it was Mundus itself that made the dwarves and Arniel disappear.

[@Melanrick]

It does make a lot of sense...

[@krim7]

You know how in some video games, once you beat the game, you can start it over but retain all the levels, equipment, spells, etc. that you earned in the previous play thru? To me, that is the most interesting and fun theory for what the Dwemer are doing.

[@Dezzyyy]

that's what the "New Game + (plus)" comments he made was about. super interesting. I like the zero sum theory too.

[@krim7]

@@Dezzyyy For sure, I should have specified that I agreed with Drewmora. I think it is a super fascinating theory. One thing that I has always interested me is the idea that each time we play a new mainline TES game, we are in another iteration of the Dwemer's New Game+. That each game, the Dwemer are slightly more powerful and slightly stronger but still bound to the same fate of endlessly restarting.

[@NPazable]

I simply think Kagrenac's hasty use of the tools was a huge factor in their disappearance, I don't think Azura had anything to do with it. If Kagrenac had had the time to do it properly they might still be around

[@badluck5647]

I doubt Azura had the power to make an entire race disappear. If she did have that type of power, the Chimer would suffer from more than dark skin and red eyes.

[@tnttiger3079]

Imo, theory #4 is correct, but the Dwemer weren't meant to form Anumidium's skin- the *falmer* were. When Arniel 'dwemers' himself, he is not gone- he can be summoned as a shade. A weak mockery under the control and dominion of the dragonborn. Imo, that was the Dwarven plan- Make the souls of the falmer weak and pliable, sacrifice them to make a god, and control their souls to have a divine as their puppet and shape reality to their will. But the falmer had recently rebelled, and the dunmer had nearly captured red mountain. So Kagrunac rushed and cut out the middle-man- he bonud himself, and further all dwarves, to the heart. I suppose in the hope that they would be safe within it, and they could perchance still spiritually build their new god through will alone. However, the Tribunal worked out what happened, and siphoned the Dwemer's mythopoeic energies into making *them* gods. That is to say, Almsivi did to the Dwemer what the Dwemer intended to do with the Falmer.

[@InquisitorThomas]

My problem with the first theory is if Azura Thanos snapped the entire Dwemer race, why only do so now and why don’t other Daedra just do that? Why didn’t the Aelids call up one of they up one of their various dark Daedric patrons and tell them to point their death ray at the Nedic rebel army?

[@zacharyhawley1693]

If I had too wager it has to do with her domain. Why her if she did? Mainly because they had insulted her before when they already blasphemed by tricking her. And by meddling with the heart they were actively meddling in the fate itself.

[@JREN-th8kf]

Or maybe, just maybe the heart of Lorkan Devoured the Dwemer race as a whole, just a thought.

[@TheWaluigiman1]

My theory is still the zero-sum theory. Why it effected the entire race is that with their ability to telepathically talk, as the Chief Tonal Architect, Kagronach had the ability to "mass" talk to his people. Like a mass email from your boss of shift lead, just as he struck the heart, he sent out his thoughts through a mass thought-burst, hoping to share his revelations with his people. This is why when he zero-sumed upon learning the truth, every other dwemer did the same. They all heard it at once and all came to the same conclusion except those who were away like Yagrum or those Falion talked to.

[@EMorner]

If I understood it correct the last theory can hardly be true. I understood it as "the dwemer exist between time A and B" "when they arrive at time B, they hit the heart and return to A, but with all their knowledge." "The cycle repeats". The problem with that is for everyone else time do not repeat, so it would all happen in an instant, so if they repeated it 1, 100 or a trillion times, for people outside they wouldn't know the difference (unless you subscribe to many worlds, and parallel world thinking then maybe, but only a small maybe). Say the period is 1.000 years, they world loop it infinetly and be so advanced that the mere ruins would be the highest tech imaginable, and not "just" steam powered.

[@badluck5647]

*Sotha Sil* _"You wonder where the Dwemer have gone? Perhaps better to wonder why one remains. Even gods dislike the absolute, for it stinks of something larger than themselves."_

[@carbondragon]

Good video. I've often thought that the elves (including the Dwemer) were always big on escaping the trap of Mundus and as you say, maybe they DID just that. Maybe they are back in Aetherius, along with one confused mage from the Mage's College in Winterhold.

[@ZMCFERON]

My man Lorkhan just doing what he does best: trolling elves.

[@GoldenRiderAtreyu]

The only theory really supported in game is the combustion theory. Because there's ash piles in the dwemer ruins in Morrowind.

[@KyleWilson96]

Could you do a video on Umbriel? The floating island

[@the36lessons11]

He ain't called _'The Doom Drum'_ for nothing...

[@phazoneatermetroid77]

I wouldnt mind a 3 hour long explanation of CHIM!

[@cxx23]

Here's a crazy joke theory I thought might be interesting: They actually escaped the dream entirely and became the root of real life humankind, who are known to be a very smart and tech reliant race. This eventually led to the birth of Todd Howard, who is the Godhead. Perhaps the Dwemer became so powerful that they created themselves.

[@Speederzzz]

Todd is a Dwemer

[@coronin8587]

I still hold to my theory that Kagrenac mantled Lorkhan somehow when he struck the Heart and, with that power, used such to save his people from their restrictive coils and allowed themselves to truly understand the universe by dispersing themselves into the world itself before the Lorkhan personality took over completely. Lorkhan being around would definitely help explain why there are so many chosen heroes running around. The idea that the LDB being a Shezzarine also goes with this.

[@joshuatayloe8616]

My favorite Dwemer theories are they were transported into the next Kalpa or the infinite time loop. Although the time loop I know is different than what you said. In the time loop I know because we do not have a definitive answer on where the Dwemer came from it's because they were cursed to be constantly transported to the beginning of the current Kalpa. For those that want to argue they came from the Aldmer just remember according to the lore by the time the confirmed Aldmer descendants left Summer set the Dwemer were already present on mainland Tamriel.

[@bdlarsen1225]

Mine was always Azura had something to do with it. There is a story about an old Dwemer teacher who embarassed Azura with a slight of hand, a flower, and a box. He asked what was in the box. She said a flower and then he revealed there was nothing. He died that night happy but the fooled Daedric Prince left angrily. After Azura left a flower fell from his robes. Whether or not the story is historical is debateable but one could wonder if it was inspired by an actual event. One could imagine a Dwemer having such hubris as to test a god.

[@TheRibbedDamascus]

My man tried to impress a goddess with magic and she showed him how disappointed she was by obliterating his race in an instant. .... I like that 🤣

[@michaelrobb9542]

Something I've never been clear on, did Vivec achieve chim before using the tools (learning the secret word from Molagbol) or did all three of them achieve chim by using the tools? Anyway great video Drem.

[@DrewmoraYT]

I like that this is not easy to answer. It seems likely that he was just Nerevar's general, and created his own mythos about himself after attaining godhood from the heart. But because of all of the esoteric lore surrounding his origins etc. (mostly written by him), we can never really say with certainty. Cheers, Michael

[@Spike2276]

I think that a lot of what Vivec preaches is that it doesn't matter when he achieved the revelation of CHIM, because once you achieve it you now have always known it. Due to the cyclical nature of the Aurbis and the god's simultaneous perception of time your past self is changed by your new self, and so only the fact that you achieved CHIM matters, but not when you did it. For example: many of the Sermon's include a godly Vivec going to unimaginable or unlikely places with Nerevar, which neither could have visited without divine power. And yet without the knowledge from these journeys they couldn't have been the people who the histories record that would turn into the Hortator and a living god. You pretty much turn yourself into the ultimate "chicken and egg" dilemma.

[@Ashen.Elixer]

Hmm. I'm partial to the last theory, myself, but with a caveat. It would make for a FANTASTIC game hook to have them being trapped in this loop, not having done it intentionally. As in, they were attempting the reverse-engineering part, accidentally achieved Chim, and the logical choice was to create the timeloop to look for an escape. But, since Chim is, essentially, knowledge, they needed to erase that part from their brains, so they just "woke up" in the dawn era, with all the parts of the Neumidium, and no real idea why, except for a vague sense that they should complete it

[@badluck5647]

Viewpoints on Vivec really depends on how truthful you believe his Lessons are. I am from the camp that believes his 36 Lessons are mostly BS propaganda to cover up his shortcomings. This is includes his mostly fictional tale of how he achieved Chim himself through his own cunning instead of admitting he gained it through stealing Lorkhan's power. And this is based on the assumption he didn't lie about achieving Chim in the first place.

[@badluck5647]

@@Spike2276 Or Vivec is just liar and most of his biography is as fictional as the autobiographies of North Korean dictators.

[@theelderscrolls_area]

I definitely likes to look at you… )

[@harringtonmartin]

#1 strikes me as the correct answer. It's been my head canon for a while. All the pieces fit.

[@LeTtRrZ]

I wanted to add another comment: This video mentions that the dwarves disintegrated to ash correct? Didn’t the exact same thing happen to Septimus when he read the Oghma Infinium? Is it possible that Septimus zero-summed? The Dwemer were obsessed with forbidden knowledge, yet they locked the Oghma Infinium in a box in the middle of nowhere, which implies that even they were terrified of it.

[@shawnnerenberg661]

I always took it that Hermeus Mora did that, because he was finished with him.

[@SquirrelNuggets]

I hope TES6 gives us some insight into the Dwemer’s disappearance 🤞

[@Callisto_Arcas]

That last theory broke MY brain. I'll have to watch this one again and see if I can try to grasp it. Never the less, the time loop is my favorite of the 4 I understood.

[@Dwemerologist]

As with FudgeMuppet, this video on the Dwemer is my most-watched video on your channel. I've watched the FudgeMuppet podcast episode on the Dwemer at least 12 times. I comb through it over and over again, searching for even a morsel of new information on the Dwemer. This video will be no different. Love your channel, man ❤️

[@ant8ank2]

I beleive that when Kagrenac struck the heart of Lorkhan all the Dwemer received a vision of a floating head of Todd Howard repeating a spell in a foreign language but when translated comes out as "It just works" the dwemer could not rationalize this statement and zero summed, ceasing to exist.

[@Jin44jim1]

My thoughts of what could of possibly happened is the Dwemer became a part of their own technology as there punishment.

[@johndanielwood]

Dwemer didn’t zero sum. Zero summing involves removing the individual, past, future and present. As if they’re never born. We remember the Dwemer.

[@dakota6050]

I’m pretty sure that’s wrong. I have no sources, but I remember someone quoting a text from a book(?) that spoke about a person who zero summed

[@NBlanc.]

Loved all of them, incredible work as always drew!

[@xScooterAZx]

Another video that sucked me in. Again,thank you for all y our hard work. To me the Dwemer's disappearance is like the Anasazi,their entire tribe just suddenly up and disappeared. No one knows what happened to them.

[@nbmoleminer5051]

I like the tine loop paradox one very Doctor Who.

[@thelostgirl101]

I like the time travel theory. It would be interesting if we were in the middle of playing Elder Scrolls 6 and "Poof" out of nowhere hordes of Dwemer appear and start attacking everyone chaotically lol.

[@randymarshislorde]

Theory 6: The dwemer, now much smaller, inhabit an anthill in the shivering isles. As usual, both very informative and very entertaining, my friend. Truly, it makes my day when I see a new upload from this channel to begin with, but when I saw that the subject matter consisted of the Dwemer, I was simply giddy.

[@nicholasmorgan7609]

A Dragon Break made all of Nerevar's possible deaths canon, made the tribunal so they had been gods all along and one can't forget the Warp in the West, where some compromise between all Daggerfall endings became canon, so the answer is obvious. All of these things happened to the Dwemer all at once.

[@FirstNameLastName-okayyoutube]

If they zero summed... how did they achieve a telepathic link? Because that is absolutely required in order for there to be a simultaneous unspoken poof

[@suemeade2471]

If they zero summed,that would explain why one remains.he was the only one who's mind was open enough to continue to exist!

[@GavBomb1]

I personally believe the soul trap theory but not in the exact way you described. The way you get Arniel's Shade after his quest, he costs 0 magicka, because you aren't really summoning him, his soul is in your body. (The soul gem is warped beyond any ability to hold a soul, so his soul didn't go there) Plus in Morrowind you can fight dwemer ghosts, which makes me think the Numidium indeed has their souls bound to it. But I think they went into the brass god after he was built already. I don't think they went into molten metal to make the brass god, and I don't think most dwarven metal was made with dwemer souls

[@WhimsicalCreature457]

My favorite theory definitely lies with the idea the Dwemer were infused into the Numidium. Not to power it, but to act as its skin. As its skin, the Numidium wouldn’t only be immune to rust and decay, but was completely severed from the all laws and rules of reality and physics. There’s also another fun theory that they all achieved CHIM and immediately ascended past that state and they were able to move to another universe to make it their own.

[@cave_hag]

Not sure if this could fit into the lore or not. But I love the idea of despite whatever actually happened to them. The dwemer come back in a cursed form of the typical dwarves small and now obsessed with the riches of the earth. Because it's so strange that a series of this sort doesn't have actual dwarves in it.

[@amyduncancinder]

Wow, Mr. Drew! You've done it again! It has taken me this long to respond as I had to listen to this THREE times to understand most of it, well, part of it anyway. This is truly deep (for me, at least). Still, no matter, I love to listen to your tellings and frequently, more often than I like to admit, actually learn something. This telling was no different. As always, keep telling your stories as they always intrigue me and I do so enjoy listening to you! Thank you, Sir.

[@janeenschultz8502]

Drew, I don't think I'm alone in saying I'd still watch a hours-long video by you about chim. (7:10)

[@EchoEchoEchoEchoEchoEchoEchoEc]

I think the reason for whatever happened to the dwemer, only affecting those on Nirn, makes sense considering the power source they were tapping: the heart of Lorkkhan, or the heart of Nirn. For one was made to sastify the other, and if you ascribe to the notion of Nirn being Lorrkhan's lost obivion realm, then it would make sense that whatever they did, using his power, would only affect those on his plane. How would Lorrkhan's power affect those in say, Azura's domain? Or Dagon's? He has no powe their, for it's hard for even living princes to affect other daderic realms.

[@Kaiserker]

I've always been partial to the skin of the Numidium theory, fits the Kirkbride flavor of lore I love

[@braddajeko]

Another great video by Drewmora

[@plebisMaximus]

I like to believe they mantled Lorkhan and each one of them became a whole new layer to existence onion.

[@notmyregret]

Regarding the Azura punishing them, I think that was only possible for the Chimer due to their worship of her. It's sort of like how Hermaeus Mora needed the actions of the Dragonborn in order to affect someone, or how other Daedra lords are only capable of affecting the material world through the actions of their followers or their faith. Basically, they entered a bargain with her, and she simply enacted a stipulation in their agreement.

[@dimitrilitovsk2372]

I think the mystery of the dwemer is more interesting than the answers

[@SandGentleman]

Did you really think I would just watch this video because you uploaded it, Drew? Is that what you thought?? Because you were right.

[@speedstriker]

Definitely the last one. Dwemer were working high gradiation this whole time and became a pillar of the dream.

[@carson3370]

I love the more esoteric side of Elder Scrolls that you cover on this channel. You should touch on more things in that area like the idea of the enantiomorph or the under king

[@TheImmortalBloodwolf]

I personally believe the soul trap theory And have ever since I read a journal in the dragonborn DLC that supports it... Remember The former apprentice of neloth??? The one with a heartstone in her chest... In one of her 3 journals she claims to hear voices Claiming that the voices started after she woke up post the operation... What if those voices she is hearing is the voices of the dwemer??? What if after they became soul trapped in the heart of lorkan That they slowly started to seep out along with its power into the heart stones??? When you're using that heartstone to make your staff you might not be using JUST lorkhan's power but also the souls of the deep elfs

[@patron8597]

Azura: "As punishment, I shall make you look like me!" Kinda self conscious, aren't we?

[@MaxPower321]

Have you ever thought about doing book readings? Like a dance in the fire or something like that?

[@jamesquinn8558]

My theory is the Dwemer already were aware of plane travel I think the remaining Dwemer found in Morrowind was away on some sort of exploration and returned only to find his people gone. I also think they found their own world crowded so they planned to move and rebuild. They sent Dwemer machines and engineers to build a starting over place leaving them weakened when both the Snowelves or Falmer began their rebellion and their conflict with the other races came to a head and instead of the slow paced rebuild and relocate they had planned used the heart to exit and fast. I think it’s possible because the Dwemer were a practical/thoughtful people and that plan was practical it’s just an internal war or the falmer and the external conflict was too much for the forces they had left. So a quick exit was best if a bit haphazard.

[@gerbenvanegmond4007]

Great theories, I still dig the Zero Sum

[@anomalocaris7238]

the dwemer just went out for cigarettes they will be back, they promised :(

[@BobIzGhetto]

Love your content Drew... Miss you in fudge... But thanks for keeping it up.... Much appreciation... And never stop you guys make my day a lot better. Its comforting to find bliss in theories of what you love and seen those who care really work for it!!!!

[@LeTtRrZ]

The tools were tuned to apply to the entire Dwemer race, correct? And the philosophy of the Dwemer was that divinity could only be acquired through the reversal of creation. Maybe they simply uncreated themselves? They could have been too far descended from the aedra to be able to withstand such a thing.

[@avehein]

I had always assumed the automations were the Dwemer. Becoming immortal via the soul stones powering the machines. Skyrim broke that for me when I saw the use of time travel. Eventually they’ll show up again…

[@lordcommander5283]

that intro was better than a surprise reinforcement by a phalanx of argonians. for real though your creative writing is always a real treat! hope to read or hear a full length piece in the future

[@flurnsdale3929]

I just came up with an idea. What if the Dwemer are some other form of dark elves? Looking at Norse mythology the dark elves are sometimes confused associated with them. Perhaps that is also some influence on the Elder Scrolls universe?

[@flurnsdale3929]

Also helps to explain why we were introduced to the Dwemer in Morrowind. There’s many influences of course in the lore but I wonder if some big reveal in the future will find that they resemble them in some form?

[@ZeroSeriesMMX]

Hell yeah, another full-length! 🤘

[@ericcloud1023]

I love the amount of deep metaphysical meaning Kirkbride put into TES, especially Morrowind. Drewmorra idk what happened with fudgemuppet but you've always been the one I'll ALWAYS listen to, your anthologies have given our community so much, I know I speak for everyone else because there's so much positivity and good theories being crafted

[@Bibrius]

Kirkbride has done better at the metaphysical than Ron L Hubbard.

[@x570Belmont]

The Time Loop imho is *almost* correct. Think about it. We find the Elder Scroll used to send Alduin forward in time, in a Dwemer ruin. In a research lab. A lab that housed Kagrenac's researchers. They were studying THAT scroll in particular. All their knowledge for the tonal tools of Kagrenac were gleaned from THAT scroll. It would not be a gigantic leap of logic, to assume that Kagrenac and his cronies made an oopsie and didn't understand that particular Scroll was quite good at breaking time, and when copying its abilities via tonal architecture and tying in the Dwemer race entirely into the formula, he just yeeted his entire race forward in time. How far, who knows? The best guestimate would be the same length that Alduin went, but whatever tweaks Kaggy made to the formulae means we have absolutely 0 clue. I'm almost certain though that dropping the lore about the scroll IN the Dwemer ruin was supposed to hint that the Dwemer went forward in time though. Bethesda seems to be moving further and further away from Kirkbride's writings and the concepts of CHIM and Zero Sum, so plopping in something like this would make more sense.

[@Afrafasti]

Secret syllable of royalty is a̷̧̟̱͔͓̖̪̺̍̈́̊̅̆͋͘͠ë̸̡̛̺̬̥͈̠̥͖̥̦̯͓̟̰́̿̄̑͌͊̀̀̏̓̈́̀̍͒͂̐̓̐̃̕į̶̨̢̧̢̡̢̧̢̧̢̛̠̫͍͈͙̭͍̣̬͇̼̖̟͚͇̲͎̘̻̳͈̹̗̗̤̰̯̞̤̤͓̞͔̲̣͇̯̺̼̭͙̲̤̲͓͈̪̳̫̝̲͈̘̞͕͉̥̯͙͔͖͉̬̲̘̈́̀̈̒̆͆̈́͒̏͛͌͌͆̿̒̽͑̋̈́̆͊̎̓̑̐̓̍͋̅̋̑͒̀̿̓̿͊̉͑͆̈́͑̍̽̍̓͂̀͛͌̈́̿̋̃̈́́̌͊͌̎̾͆͆̆͗́̏̓̔̑̚͘̚̚͜͜͠͠͠͝ͅͅõ̴̡̼̣̥̖͙̫̩̮̠͉̰͇̻̦̲̫͉͖̯̝͚̟̦̦͓͖̘̝̲̰̺̥͇͔̿̿̽̆̀̈́͒̋̋́͂̾̎̈́̄͐̈́̿͛̍͒͑̐͗͋̀̇͒̓̀͗̍̎̍̆͘͘̕͠͝͝ͅu̵̲͇̙͓͉̇̂͂̀̃͐̐͛̓͛̈́̆̅̇̆̔͝

[@gavin_almeida]

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[@MLBeaton]

I need a writer to help slap it together; but I have a headcannon (more just a cool story) possible outcome...

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsc1447]

personally, no matter what happend, i hope they return. imagine if that was made a secondary plot in ES6 to, presumably, the second war with the thalmor. like how the skyrim had alduin and the dragons as the main plot, and the cvil war as thw secondary one.

[@markcarpenter6020]

There is no evidence for it but my favorite theory is that the dwemer were thrown forward through time. And one they (possibly in the very distant future) the dwemer race will reappear in the same place the disappeared....only to find ruins and a changed world without most of their technology.

[@ethanarc]

I still say displacement by Kagrenac's choice is the most likely option

[@korparr]

yo this is an amazing fucking video, thank you for your work

[@azadisoleil6319]

Considering this is the Elder Scrolls and the writing staff snorts a line of coke before getting to work, it’s likely that all the theories are correct and incorrect at the same time.

[@abdalln8554]

"Stop worshipping the heart of lorkhan" "I have no idea what that is but fuck you, you're in the book of grudges for the implication."

[@Lyndonmaman]

CHIM in a nutshell; "You're not real." "Nyes I amn't."

[@Didymus20X6]

Why not Yagrum? Perhaps because the Heart of Lorkhan is directly related to nature of reality in Nirn, and if Yagrum wasn't in Nirn at the time, it might not have affected him because he wasn't within Lorkhan's sphere.

[@RayAkuma]

Saint N'wah

[@Freyafanboy90]

The Dwemer are always interesting. I don't think they zero summed as from what I have heard the Numidium was a big stompy robot that went around yelling NO! at everything. Given that fact I believe the Dwemer knew they didn't exist but the hubris of the race thinking themselves gods would allow them all the survive and become Chim masters. However as there is a Dragon Break everytime the Munidium is activated it's possible that ALL those theories are true. It happened during the Warp in the West.

[@shawnnerenberg661]

Skein does not mean skin, it refers to a coiled ring of wool or thread, ready to be woven. I think there was some retconning going on. In Morrowind it was strongly implied that the dwemmer turned to ash. There are even piles of it where they were sitting, and working. They done screwed up. In Skyrim, it changes. The College questline is suggesting they were displaced to a plane of Oblivion since you can summon Arniel after his experiment. I'm not sure if he's classed as an undead or as a deadra though. a turn/banish undead or Daedra spell (or enchantment) should determine if he's either of those. The difference might be that Arniel used a soul gem, not the Heart of Lorkan. The heart of Lorkan is divine, soul gems are not. The Khajiit are pretty certain that they broke causality by mucking around with the heart of Lorkan. They even say that Reman "broke Alkosh" by mucking around with the Numidium and caused a dragon break, which is again, breaking causality. That sounds like the most horrific outcome. The Dwemmer literally tore themselves out of time and space trying to achieve godhood.

[@Nayphun]

Honey I shrunk the Dwemer

[@deadlyjax624]

They simply disappeared..... a whole race gone in an instant.

[@Chris-rt8cj]

Well there is a time machine that is on in Blackreach that you have to shut off so I believe Trapped In Time Loop is a possibility

[@tincan6747]

My only guess or explanation as to why not 100% of the dwemer (yagrum bagarn for example )disappeared could be that maybe not all of them were entirely all that logical and some were more spiritual even if they don't admit it. It would make sense. Even among non-religious non-spiritual people, some are more spiritual than others. And just that tiny amount was enough to either save or condemn bagarn to his continued existence in elder scrolls while the rest of his kin vanished

[@dylansmith8912]

I think that elder scrolls 6 should take place right before the battle of red mountain and we could walk around dwemer cities while there still being lived in an can see what truly happened to them

[@tincan6747]

I have a problem with the infinite time loop theory. How they started that cycle in the first place is the question that tears it down for me. Many parts do make sense to me but that question seems to kill it in my head. Unless the loop also goes backwards in the opposite direction? Going both ways at the same time? Or maybe it's like the singularity in a black hole. Not so much a place or a time but both at the same time. A place infinitely far away in an infinite amount of directions and simultaneously a time infinitely far in the future beyond even the concept of kalpas, beyond the cycle. Idk the zero sum seems more sensible to me cuz it's both simpler and seems to have fewer holes in it. They just "woke up" from the dream and erased themselves. My only guess or explanation as to why not 100% of the dwemer (yagrum bagarn for example )disappeared could be that maybe not all of them were entirely all that logical and some were more spiritual even if they don't admit it. It would make sense. Even among non-religious non-spiritual people, some are more spiritual than others. And just that tiny amount was enough to either save or condemn bagarn to his continued existence in elder scrolls while the rest of his kin vanished

[@ragewinninethousand4140]

Babe wake up, there’s a new Drewmora video 🎉

[@darthtitteous1215]

The Dwemer could not have zero summed. Zero summing suggests that everything you are, and everything you WERE is wiped from existence. If that were the case we wouldn’t have Dwemer ruins, nor would we have any history, nor memory of the Dwemer.