Skyrim: Top 5 Hilarious Plot Holes that Make Absolutely No Sense in The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim

[@SoyElSopa]

Thank you for installing my Inn Signs mod! Is Special Edition in the video? it looks amazing

[@DrastikDesigns]

Do you happen to know the texture mod hes using?

[@SoyElSopa]

I dont think that's just one texture mod in the video, but if you mean the one im mentioning, its called "ElSopa HD - Unique Hand Made Signs Overhaul" available in SE and LE.

[@DrastikDesigns]

@@SoyElSopa Thanks! I found your mod, I havent downloaded any mods yet but Im looking for ones to try in a modded playthrough. Might as well throw yours in the mix. I just want to know the names of the mod or mods hes using to update texture. They look really good.

[@joshieluvspandab4491]

What armor mod are you using? In the beginning

[@SoyElSopa]

Not my video, no idea dude

[@lucacanali7196]

Astrid: One person in this room has a Dark Brotherhood contract on their head. Me, having killed 146 Dark Brotherhood Assassins: No shit.

[@thatperson278]

Ya DoNt SaY

[@badmon2810]

She was referring to you the whole time. All 3 of those ppl had no contracts

[@JatreAlgorithm]

@@badmon2810 rip i killed all 3 of them

[@raito6689]

@@badmon2810 The problem with that is that you don't actually know if they have a contract or not.

[@goku3460]

@@raito6689 appearntly using the clairvoyance spell shows it’s the khajit

[@cin2110]

Mikael: Oh there once was was a hero name- THE SECURITY IN WHITERUN IS TERRIBLE SHAMEFUL WHAT IT IS

[@eyesack6845]

*hero

[@myriad9597]

...

[@cin2110]

@@eyesack6845 fixed it

[@XellosNi]

I would like to meet this great hero, Thesecurityinwhiterunisterribleshamefulwhatitis.

[@limitlessbeast3867]

Right after talking about the poor security lol!

[@jynxvxa8342]

What i love is how these dark brotherhood assassins are deadly, cunning and silent preferring to take out their targets from the shadows and yet the dark brotherhood assassin(s) that go after you just run at you over an open plane as you stand there and wonder why some random hooded person is chasing you😂

[@JonesCrimson]

TBF imagine trying to set up a plan to kill the Dovakiin. So he started out a prisoner in Helgen but a goddamn dragon god torched the place and he disappeared into the woods to eventually resurface near Riverwood, disappeared into some ancient ruins and never came out, then Whiterun but met with the Yarl immediately?! After that he appeared to be going to the Greybeards but somehow ended up in Riften instead and became the leader of the thieves guild and raided an ancient dwemer ruin for an artifact that makes him smith better and another ruin and another artifact crown used in weird archaic stone praying with which he traveled towards a random cliff near Markarth to pray before clearing out like 5 more dwemer ruins at random and suddenly carting back to Whiterun and smithing like a hundred iron and dwemer daggers, fighting some local giants, heading into a cave to kill trolls and collect glowing moss, heading to Morthal of all places to grab swamp pods and then back to Riften where he alchematized a bunch of ungodly potions with no real purpose but for some reason you can't buy them for less than an absurd number of coins, as well as a bunch of stolen wheat potions which magically heal and regen, and... I'd just give up on plans and run at him, honestly.

[@Sanquinity]

@@JonesCrimson The Dovahkiin is clearly a master of evasion and deception...

[@ArkBlanc]

@@JonesCrimson You know you could just try to snipe him with a bow or crossbow loaded with a paralytic agent, then drown him or something

[@2MeterLP]

@@JonesCrimson Should be pretty easy though. Set a cave up to explode and cave in, then spread rumors about it containing the words to a super awesome shout.

[@hozkahilgarri3936]

@@Sanquinity is this an Avatar reference? Totally reminds me of a Zuko quote xD

[@wilbirchall2711]

It's entirely possible that Jiub could have missed one or two Cliffracers and allowed then to repopulate and they may have since come back.

[@BartMassey-PO8]

Came here for this theory. Really hard to completely wipe out an entire widespread species other than by radically disrupting their biome.

[@tarnyowl6068]

Like with a ... volcanic eruption?

[@bijou3000]

How many races, creatures, religions, and Orders have turned up in Skyrim after having been thought to be long-extinct? Surviving genocide and being the last of your kind is the name of the game in the Elder Scrolls. All it takes is a breeding pair tucked away in an out-of-the-way spot, and voila. Speaking of which, where do Sabre Cats have their litters? There should be dens all over the tundra.

[@greyworld2246]

@@bijou3000 now that you mention it, there arent ANY juvenile animals in Skyrim as far as I know. No wolf pups, no baby mammoths etc. Only humans have children running around. That's a plothole in itself

[@massilcabanas34]

It's obviously that, I thank the exact same before reading your comment

[@purplepoet6147]

About St. Jiub, he killed all the cliffracers on Vvardenfell, not in all morrowind. Vvardenfell is just thje large island in the center of morrowind, but not the mainland

[@zyaggho9185]

St. Jiub needs an heir to kill the rest of the cliffracers.

[@erickeggum3767]

So thus house jiub was born

[@Colonel_Overkill]

And for that feat sainthood was entirely deserved. Cliff racers can burn in the lowest pits of Oblivion until they freeze over, then someone can take a hammer to the frozen little fuckers!!!

[@wraithlord9879]

@@Colonel_Overkill that is way too nice for those disgusting creatures. They are the biggest blight on any of the elder scrolls.

[@adamhurd1560]

Cliff racers flyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@Spencerdoken]

Rorikstead isn't a plot hole. It's a damned conspiracy.

[@benjaminkeys6887]

It really is tho. Like Rorik is straight up immortal

[@Fenris2]

Ask what's your secret for making such a prosperous town and the person gets very much evasive

[@sethbritton6970]

@@Fenris2 Maybe he got flung through time- a casualty of the Time Wound.

[@lisapierre2852]

@@sethbritton6970 no he is just liar named after rorikstead

[@77Night77Shade77]

Of course it's not a plot hole. It's a plot of land! You can't very well grow crops on a hole, can you?

[@brandonfoley7519]

They confiscate everything, except the one lockpick I keep in my butt crack

[@alisaluvsbts2423]

I am dead. Also your worlds with stay with me for the rest of eternity. Thank you, divines bless your kind kind heart. LET THE GROUND QUAKE AS YOU WALK!!!

[@rokukou]

Brandon Foley you keep it in your prison wallet.

[@alanbale8608]

@@rokukou I also keep a dagger, a potion of invisibility, a flame proof shield and a bow up there.

[@alanbale8608]

Oh you meant in the game. Sorry.

[@owoberon4947]

@@alanbale8608 r/CursedComments

[@UltimateHoopla]

I had a Nord follower with me through some Dragur ruins and they would say that we should leave some coins behind to respect the dead, so that would be a good explanation why so many Dragurs have septims on them.

[@Just-A-Gamer1524]

My question is how Astrid can kidnap you if your a vampire sleeping in Volkihar castle 🤔

[@samsonguy10k]

Maybe because she has a vampire amongst her ranks that likely has a certain amount of respect by those in Volkihar?

[@0816M3RC]

samsonguy10k Who.. Babette?

[@violetshadowstone5250]

Argonian sleeping in a bed underwater in a dungeon so wtf Astrid?

[@nomousecat]

@@violetshadowstone5250 Veezara could have been sent to abduct you. Astrid has sent him before for Vittoria Vici's wedding. It wouldn't surprise me if she used other members to help her for that sort of thing.

[@lionelwhiskerknot]

My theory is she had an artifact or a person magically portal you from where you were. Not very smart if you happen to be one of those dragonborn who is a vampire, equipped with a 5000 damage crossbow, or a werewolf that then proceeds to tear her to shreds. Yeah.... I always fail the Join the Dark Brotherhood quest. I tend to be grumpy when someone wakes me from my nap.

[@vicky248123]

"I'm sorry sir but since you don't have proof of your blood sacrament I can't give you a full gold refund. Would like credit towards another kill or perhaps an instant exchange for us to kill someone else you hate of equal amount?"

[@dixievfd55]

Sorry sir. I can only give you the lowest contract price in the last 14 days since you don't have proof of contract with you.

[@SR-mz8nn]

“Have you checked in the back?” “No sir sorry his corpse is not in our stockroom” “but can you check?” “Ugh fine” *sorts through corpses* “no sir he’s not here”

[@andrewames247]

@@SR-mz8nn Does Skyrim have the equivalent of a Karen? Because that sounds like a very Karen thing to do...

[@trikmandularlgaming2026]

@@andrewames247 brunhilda

[@randomdude7778]

Andrew Ames theres nazeem

[@codeninja1832]

So, in the shack, not only does Astrid refer to "one person in this room has a contract on their head" that could very well be talking about you but she actively plots against you later in the story when trying to kill the emperor. It could be only Astrid and the people she sent after you actually knew who you were and she brought you into the Dark Brotherhood so you would let your guard down while taking note of your skills.

[@nekoprankster2184]

"How are there lit candles in ancient Nord ruins?" I haven't had my mind blown this much since CinemaSins asked how the Avengers could communicate without headsets in the climax of the first movie. I genuinely never gave this any thought before.

[@awesomechainsaw]

Drauger

[@jordanthomas7702]

@@awesomechainsaw Draugr?

[@fakuri913]

Eternal flame

[@hozkahilgarri3936]

I thought about it within the first few hours of ever playing skyrim. Not just "how do the candles stay lit", but I asked myself, "How have all these wax candles not melted down to nothing after just a few hours? And these have been burning for THOUSANDS of years in these "undisturbed" tombs?"

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

It could be like the candle in Windhelm that is permanently lit

[@Ichigo90]

As a very wise Daedra once said: “It makes perfect sense! If you don’t think about it, that is.”

[@too-cool-mc9219]

L

[@thewolfpaladin1858]

Well Sheogorath is never in his right state of mind

[@istaka1416]

A wise word from crazy mind.

[@MechaEmperor7000]

The Dark Brotherhood one was apparently an early hint that Astrid isn't as "dedicated" as she lead on. The contract comes when you take one of their contracts and when Astrid kidnaps you, she demands that someone has to die and has you kill at least one of three other people she kidnapped. The implication being that she just needed a corpse; she didn't really care if it was yours or not. As for Jiub, it's apparently his specific verbage; he killed every single last one of them in Vvardenfell but not in Morrowind. He likely was just tooting his own horn. Given how his character acts, this is quite possible. One possible explanation for why the guards in skyrim don't have precautions against magic; they think it's for pussies and a sufficient son of skyrim can take down a magic user with his fists. I wish I was joking about this, but in the game the people of Skyrim consistently look down on Magic users, even when they know full well said magic user can blow their faces off.

[@Skyscraper2015]

Any ideas on the other two?

[@Zalwalloo]

No, the Brotherhood can attack you right out of Helgen

[@cassiemichael4697]

I hate to be one of those "but actually..." people, but Jiub, ahem, excuse me, ST. Jiub DID kill all of the cliffracers in Vvardenfell. Read his Opus, if you don't believe that, then just look at his lore page on Skyrim UESP: "Jiub, wanting to make up for his dark past, sought redemption by serving the people of Morrowind. He made it his mission to eradicate the Winged Menace, the cliff racers who plagued the roads of Vvardenfell. It took years to hunt them all down as he traveled Vvardenfell atop a silt strider, but in a final battle in the ash wastes, Jiub was triumphant. Vivec, admiring his virtue, saved Jiub from death and brought him to his palace, where he was made a saint. He was hailed as a hero by the people of Morrowind, and earned many titles.[2][3] Saint Jiub's Fair became a popular celebration, notably in the city of Cheydinhal." And, there you have it.

[@thatcitrusfriend6234]

The cliffracer one still doesn't make sense because he wiped them out everywhere, it's mentioned they're extinct so they're gone point blank period no matter where you go.

[@morrigankasa570]

The guards respect Restoration school of magic, Enchanting, and Alchemy

[@jegerskudaover18]

If the Draugr are keeping the candles lit, I would love to know where their store of candles is. I mean they must have a huge amount if they are able to keep candles lit in there for years and years and years. I must admit that knowing that the draugr are just going around cleaning, I feel really bad about the disturbing and killing(?) them.

[@2MeterLP]

Theres spells to turn silver to gold, maybe the draugr have a spell to turn CO2 and water back into candle wax and oxygen. Would also explain why the air is breathable in a thousand year old tomb, much less one with candles burning the entire time.

[@wintermelonl3792]

The ebony warrior did it he’s so maxed out he walks in there casually unnoticed

[@herored5484]

I imagine they have like a cute little chest full of candles and cute little matches

[@maximilienrobespierre7927]

I think the explanation with Cliffracers is that Jiub probably thought that he indeed killed all Cliffracers, but unknowingly to him a few managed to survive. The numbers at first were to small for anyone to notice, but soon enough they increased in population again.

[@VERGILGASM]

He actually only killed them in Vvardenfell, there were some in the mainland of Morrowind.

[@Im-Not-a-Dog]

Juib killed all of the cliff racers on Vvardenfel, but over time more cliff racers moved there from the mainland. Both Mjoll and Juibb were telling the truth.

[@captainitalia811]

Puppy!

[@Qunarr]

@@captainitalia811 that's a horse

[@captainitalia811]

@@Qunarr Fuck

[@justinganzeboom]

@@captainitalia811 this is so fucking random, i almost died laughing.

[@joshuahunt3032]

Not a Dog So he extirpated Cliff Racers from Vardenfell, but didn’t drive them to total extinction? Well, local extinction is still extinction somewhere, I guess.

[@SykoSparx]

So the first one is because when they have you join by telling you that "someone in this room has a contract on them" that person is you. You kill an innocent person who takes your place in the black sacrament because you're too hard a contract and then they have you serve the black brotherhood. You're not the first that this has occurred to either. There is an assassin in oblivion whose name escapes me that likewise was a contract that then became an assassin in a similar process. It's not a plot hole; it's intentional story.

[@kalinatankova3578]

:0

[@opticalraven1935]

Yep! Therefore, not a plot hole.

[@Ashley_Graves_1]

Oh shit

[@shadowfor1995]

Lucien lachance? Nah idk either interesting tho

[@lukeashe8313]

When you use clairvoyance in the abandoned shack it tells you to kill the khajit

[@roseblack165]

"Once payment is accepted, Sithis is due a soul." In Oblivion you save a life at the cost of someone else's. The contract on your head is paid off by your actions in the shack near Morthal. Mages in Skyrim are looked down on, and are fairly rare. The extra effort to negate magic aren't worth the effort if the mage could get beaten to a pulp with one's bare hands. (Perspective of a guard, not my own viewpoint)

[@jacobnorris8256]

Perspective of the prison owner, rather. Guards would definitely rather not have a fireball shot at their back while on the job, even if they'd ultimately beat most the mages. And like, regardless of how rare, it's still obviously a very major security flaw to not have anti-magic available AT ALL. It makes sense that they wouldn't use anti-magic on everyone, but they would obviously want to have some anti-magic ready for when a properly threatening mage comes. Yet, as the video states, even a very famously very powerful mage doesn't have ANYTHING to stop their magic. This excuse makes as much sense as a prison not having bars because "most people wouldn't try to go past the guard anyway" - obviously nonsense logic. A remotely skilled mage, however rare, would easily be able to assassinate any guards if they bide their time, and could cause ridiculous amounts of property damage and free other prisoners in their escape. Lore-wise it's probably on average a few thousand times cheaper to just import SOME anti-magic from very far than risk occasionally losing trained soldiers, occasionally letting loose entire prisons worth of criminals and occasionally taking on tons of property damage. The lack of anti-magic is purely an oversight and it's kinda ridiculous to bother patching holes in the lore of *Skyrim* of all things.

[@richardwilliams3080]

@@jacobnorris8256 there is a simple fix though. Not counting Blood on the Ice and the Dragonborn possibly, the most powerful mages that will be faced are weaker than the court mage. They don’t try anything because they know that if they start trouble, the strongest mage possibly in the hold will be their opponent. They know they can’t win so why choose death over a bit of jail time?

[@elisabethheiman2104]

@@jacobnorris8256 Not a logical explanation as to why they don’t have anti-magic equipment (I agree with you it’s ridiculous), but I get the feeling that the reason they don’t have it in this game is just so it’s easier for the players to escape.

[@christophergronhagen]

The Draugr up keep on the tombs, might explain why Septims are in chests, urns, etc. In a lot of cultures people bury coins with the corps. If someone came in to the tomb and left an offering, maybe the Draugr took it and distributed the gold into different places. It's just a thought.

[@simonachberger4480]

The biggest plothole is... *WHY DOESN'T SERANA LOVE ME BACK WHEN SHE FLIRTS ALL THE TIME*

[@hiraeth776]

Poor sod hahahaha

[@nightsong81]

Because it's all an act to cover the immense psychological trauma of her upbringing and creation. If you don't know, look up what being a Daughter of Coldharbor entails. Yeah, her own father set her up for that. Understandable if she can never really love anyone, considering what she's been through.

[@99Pierogies]

Cuz you aint alpha enough for her

[@pigeater7752]

Because she done been sexed by a demonic ninja turtle my dude.

[@pigeater7752]

@@c.a.5042 She wasn't rasped. It was completely consensual, albeit completely fucked up. The first vampire was raped, Serana was not. Her mother was not. Her father was certainly not. I'm almost certain she said she was completely willing to go through with the process. The response is a bit brain-washed esc. "Something they all go through" or something of the sort but she was willing nonetheless. Still fucked up tho.

[@Morec0]

The candles are lit because: While you're exploring, the draugr are training. While you're questing, the draugr are training. While you're crafting, the draugr are training.

[@nads4002]

Morec0 it pisses me off that people always ignore this

[@joynelbonetdelgado4952]

They are enchanted as the Draugr are. Or the Draugr themselves set them on. The real question is are the Draugr from that follower ancestral tomb from the dragon era or from recently?

[@hxppythxughts7149]

I see... That's why the draugr are getting stronger, developing Fus Ro Dah that throw you to the corner + Disarm your weapons.

[@svenghoolie]

The draugr go to market for fresh fruit. Gotta keep healthy when murdering adventurers

[@persephoneunderground845]

Draugr playing Rocky theme music...

[@sarahandersen5091]

for the first one, i remember in oblivion the npc telaendril spoke that lucien lachance was sent to kill her by her own father, but she escaped and then he returned with an offer to join the dark brotherhood. so it's definitely happened before in the elder scrolls.

[@silverkleptofox]

As for Septims appearing in dungeons, in the chests it just says “gold”, even though the model has the Skyrim symbol. Perhaps it’s assumed that it’s older gold currency and it can be re-cast into modern septims?

[@AerisShenlin]

there is a mod that turns gold found in nordic runes into a currency named alessia, and dwemer gold (and some other gold I don't quite remember) also gets different names. Hence, you can sell those old coins, but they don't act as a working currency in Skyrim. Very thoughtful mod.

[@jadeTheFoxCat]

@@AerisShenlin what if the drauger put them in the chests and on the tables as they looted them from tomb raiders

[@AerisShenlin]

@@jadeTheFoxCat lol makes sense

[@FuckGuidelines]

I thought it was due to reman, didn't they have forts and keeps due to akavir

[@elisabethheiman2104]

@@AerisShenlin How much is an individual coin worth?

[@MerkhVision]

Imagining those spooky Draugr doing mundane tasks like sweeping and tidying up is hilarious

[@Firestar4041]

Draugr with a broom: "Damn Dragonborn, tracking mud through here, like they own the place."

[@FurlowT]

They should be fired, they doing bad job :P

[@dane1382]

@@FurlowT yeah, look at all those spiderwebs

[@vicky248123]

Could you imagine just casually seeing draugr resetting traps, sliding the covers back on the tombs they burst out of, dusting the old word wall

[@jimmyoakmeister]

Dragonborn: *breaks into a tomb* Draugr, with a broom: UNSLAAD! *smack* KROSIS! *smack smack smack*

[@TopAgenda]

The song mentions ‘old Rodikstead’. My guess is that the Rorikstead featured is new Rorikstead.

[@patrickjasonbongales5080]

Like New York instead of Old York?

[@samfish90212]

I think was covered by another video discussing it

[@Kpsla]

That's actually a great point. It's possible that Rorikstead is the new name of a once ancient village whose name was lost to time, so they refer to the original settlement as "Old Rorikstead."

[@imposternaruto]

Actually, you can talk to Rorik himself and he will tell you that Rorikstead is named after him. It's actually just an oversight. There is no "old and new" Rorikstead, it's thousand of years old and named after a guy who is still alive. Maybe it's magic?

[@willowcure1016]

LuSiD They mean that they just refer to it as Old Rorikstead because Rorikstead is it's current name and it's easier.

[@THEO00900]

The irony is that every single one of these "plot holes" has a good and easy way to explain by what the game gives and what real life proves. 1 dark brotherhood tries to take you as an ally and copied the method used in previous titles of having your contract put on someone else. 2 the guy may have killed all that were visible and could be found. Repopulating is a thing. 3 skyrim prisons are bad because usually arent meant for unique individuals. They are meant for common folk.and even if that wasn't the case if a prisoner started spellcasting there would be about 20 guards with arrows to pincushion him. The guard opening the door is just bad AI for which Bethesda is well known . 4 I literally live in a village that is less than 200 years old and has the exact same name as a different village , in another country mind you, that people from the old village built after being forced to leave their homes. Sooo the Ol'Rorikstead may be just that, the OLD one. 5 Nords leave food and gold to their ancestors as a custom. That food and gold doesn't just dematerialize but is taken by the undead .

[@0IIIIII]

Very thoughtful

[@prylosecorsomething3194]

The state of maine has a poland, a moscow, a china, and a Berlin

[@alanbale8608]

@@0IIIIII @TheEpicNate315: Somebody has to buy those candles. Maybe the Draugr pop to the local shops to buy them, and those coins are the change left laying about.

[@picapes]

My guess about DB is that Grelod the Kind made black sacrament on you, and since she is dead by the time you join DB, they just leave the contract. About the Windhelm wizard in prison, If he even tried to cast spells, he would lose everything, his own life probably too. He knew he is innocent, and that he is going to be released after another kill by the butcher, so there wasnt really a point in doing that.

[@szabok1999]

@@picapes Why the hell would Grelod want the Dragonborn dead? She doesn't even know him. Your other point is legit, but this doesn't make any sense. There are logical explanations however.

[@raziel482]

I always thought the Dark Brotherhood thing was because they intended you to die while assassinating the emperor, taking out two dangerous contracts in one go.

[@Robocopnik]

Nice idea, but don't they get the contract on the Emperor later, though?

[@coffee5981]

You don't realise what you've gotten yourself into Nate...you'll be doing this series for years

[@coffee5981]

Thanks for the Heart man, it made my birthday :D

[@ladyyin3293]

@@coffee5981 I'm not Nate, but HAPPY BIRTHDAY! :)

[@keulron2290]

Oh please yes.

[@Stratelier]

Next week's video: *Another 5 Hilarious Plot Holes* (Part 2)

[@carmelopappalardo8477]

He will be collecting Social Security and still doing these videos.

[@dragomanpl1109]

Cliff racers go extinct Oblivion crisis happens Cliff racers are back Answer seems obvious

[@persephoneunderground845]

Ok, actually *this* is my favorite answer. We all knew it! Explains why my weapons seemed to have no effect too (damn hitboxes)...

[@pigeater7752]

@@persephoneunderground845 Hurtboxes...

[@nickg.4050]

Aye, the little fuckers obviously from Hell flooded back in... from the Elder Scrolls Hell! Where's Doomguy when you need him. Ooooh, he'd have a party on them!

[@someperson2287]

Nick G. - TES IV Remastered: DOOM Edition

[@spiceyicey]

@@nickg.4050 The way you type makes you sound as if you're a .

[@AHawksDive]

Fun fact about Jiub, you can find his decapitated head in Kvatch in TES: oblivion. In the big building to the left after you enter through the main gate, if I remember correctly.

[@hadiekhan7267]

that's kind of scary but i'll check anyway

[@Ratt54]

That's not such a shocking thing. In terms of a timeline, there's only 6 years between Morrowind and Oblivion. Skyrim is a bizarre outlier in the timeline because there's a 200 year gap between it and Oblivion, the biggest in the main series. Arena - 19 years - Daggerfall - 19 years - Morrowind - 6 years - Oblivion - 200 - Skyrim.

[@JoshDrakePendora]

@@Min-gy8zu I’ve seen contradictory stuff on it, sometimes seems like his and others not, regardless, it is canon that Jiub was at least soul trapped in Kvatch during Oblivion

[@DannyEastes]

@@Min-gy8zu There is a mod that replaces it with Jiub's head and a lot of people seem to be confusing that with the actual vanilla release. Vanilla, as you say, features a human head, and it appears multiple times in game

[@holczy0]

"Something should be done about mages casting spells in prison" The Dovahkiin shouts

[@Heartless-Sage]

Oblivion answers the first one. one of the members was targeted but survived the first attempt and after killing her father who took out the contract was offered a position with the organization. It doesn't cover the whole plot hole but it shows that the Dovakiin was not the first time this happened.

[@BIastwave.]

Solus Schrade Excellent point

[@maskedcucco4576]

Lake Fish or the Daedra could have brought back the cliff racers to mess with people.

[@Stratelier]

You could also argue that without the Night Mother, the random Brotherhood contracts on your character aren't "official" (Astrid herself mentions how they had to adapt and somewhat ignore the traditional Five Tenets).

[@SuperGamefreak18]

@Lake Fish just as easily that everyone really thought he wiped out the creatures but missed a nest of eggs that grew up into a new cliff racers

[@adamb89]

How about this for some fan-fictionalized irony: One of the orphans desperately held out hope that the Dovahkiin would adopt them all, and because she's such a thundercunt, Grelod the Kind performed the black sacrament on the Dovahkiin. When you kill her as a result of Aventus's black sacrament, the contract is no more. And if you kill her before meeting Aventus, well the dark brotherhood probably doesn't have Grelod under constant surveillance, so naturally assumed the contract was still in effect.

[@I_Just_Like_Neat_Stuff]

Well to be fair, Astrid wasn't a traditionalist to start off with

[@thomasjenkins7506]

yeah, that's what i figured. astrid doesn't care about that kind of stuff. if she could get a new member who is capable, she'd ignore a contract in a heartbeat. the issue here is why the night mother and sithis wouldn't uphold the black sacrament and instead make you the listener.

[@incognitonotsure909]

Maybe there was not black sacrament but she just got a direct contract off some Inn.

[@SykoSparx]

Didn't the same thing happen to an NPC in oblivion though with the more traditional group? Edit: Her name is Telaendril

[@SykoSparx]

@@incognitonotsure909 All the "black sacraments" are basically direct contacts in skyrim. They don't have anyone who can listen to the mother. They use the rumors to figure out when people try to perform the black sacrament so they're basically direct contracts.

[@littleoak5]

She breaks every single tenent

[@friendlyneighborhoodcombine]

I know a plot hole that happened to me, I was listener of the dark brother hood, and a dark brother hood assassin attacked me, so yeah, PLOT HOLE well maybe a tratior

[@DonSpork]

It happened in Oblivion as well. Someone had a dark brotherhood contract on their head (some female bosmer...sry I forgot her name) but when the assessination failed, Lucien saw her potential and offered her to instead join the faction. There is a well done Elder Scrolls Detective episode by Camelworks which also explains the random encounter theoretically

[@Acerthorn]

That first one isn't really a plothole. This wouldn't be the first time someone was targeted for assassination by the Dark Brotherhood only to be accepted into their ranks. In Oblivion, Telaendril is one such character. Lucien Lachance when to kill her as part of a contract, but she fought him off, and then joined the Dark Brotherhood herself. Once she joined, the assassination was called off. So there is certainly some precedent for this.

[@cartermassey9030]

Beat me to it. as someone who loves Oblivion, as soon as he started I came to the comments to say this.

[@CallenExile]

Most likely, the client disappears after such a thing happens, to avoid rumors spreading.

[@the-mighty-tim2115]

But, how does that work though? They still have to honor the contract. That means that some dirt bag out there just got screwed outta all, if not most, of their money.

[@CallenExile]

Again, said dirtbag most likely disappears so no rumors can spread. As in, they get assassinated instead. Remember that the brotherhood is more of a cult than a business.

[@Acerthorn]

​@@the-mighty-tim2115 *"how does that work though? They still have to honor the contract."* Not necessarily. Think about it: the assassin usually (though not always) begins a new life with the Brotherhood, living in the Sanctuary full time, clinging to the shadows when they're not in the sanctuary, and having only minimal contact with the rest of society. So how would the client even know the target is still alive? Even if there is no body and the client suspects that the target is still alive, it's still a huge stretch to accuse the Dark Brotherhood themselves of _intentionally_ welching on the deal (the key word being "intentionally"). Maybe the target was just on the run. And even if the client somehow figured out that the Brotherhood had defaulted, what's the client going to do? Take them to court for a breach of contract? The worst the Dark Brotherhood would have to worry about if news of their default got out is people would no longer trust them to follow through with the assassinations. However, I'd imagine this happens rarely enough (that is ... an intended target subsequently joining the faction ... in that order) that nobody outside the faction becomes privy to this policy of the DB, and therefore they don't develop a reputation for welching on their deals.

[@notthecamper]

St. Jiub eradicated the Cliff racers from Vvardenfell, not Morrowind. Vvardenfell is the island, Morrowind is the province.

[@MiksusCraft]

If someone tells me, that I will never found any Cliff racer just around Balmora, Viveck and Seyda Neen I would definitely calld him a hero. If someone tells me, that all Cliff racers gone on Vvardenfell from Sheogorath to Viveck, from Hla Oad to Sardith Mora I would call him a true saint. Screw rest of Morrowind, Vvardenfell is just big enough to feel safe. Next saint title reserved to someone who tame all guar ;)

[@nathanjora7627]

MiksusWilk I would call him a monster. How am I suppose to farm xp for my battlemage if they are gone ?

[@MiksusCraft]

@@nathanjora7627 Guar, Alit, Daedra, Rat, Ghost, Crabs, and many more.

[@nathanjora7627]

MiksusWilk I hate rats. I. Just. Hate. Thèse little f*ckers. And none of the things you listed (except the rats) are as common as the cliff racer on the roads.

[@schnoz2372]

GrntSmf makes sense

[@codyglenn7231]

Astrid explains that you owe them a kill. I really don't think she is talking about the fact that you killed Grelod the Kind, because they have a history of having other people killing their targets anyway, so she probably just used that as an excuse to NOT say, "You should be killed, so we need you to kill someone else to make it even. A life for a life, your life for a target's." In fact, when using Clairvoyance it shows the Khajit, so it might even be that the Khajit is the one who has a hit out on you. This last part is just my own theory.

[@Nilanius]

Actually when it comes to Cliffracers, it probably could be a lot like the Buffalo. For the longest time, everyone was certain that the buffalo were extinct. But then a herd of them was found and now the species is on its way back in population. So Jiub probably thought he killed all the cliffracers. But likely there was some hidden group or even a few eggs that survived and the species could be on its way back into living.

[@elume]

Currently now imagining a Draugr walking into whiterun to buy candles, Thanks

[@TheNevol123]

@Macdonalds Mascot get out and don't come back

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

I need a mod like that

[@chimeforest]

Belethor regularly offers to sell family members to customers, I wouldn't put it past him to sell candles to Draugr... Maybe this is where the septims are coming from too? The Draugr bring artifacts and ancient coin to trade for candles, and Belathor gives them septims as change. The Draugr don't have pockets, so they keep them in the chests? I've put too much thought into this, lol >.>;

[@LnPPersonified]

Simple explanation for the last one: Looters venture into the tombs. Draugr kill them. Draugr find Septims and fresh fruit on their corpses. Draugr put them in barrels and chests.

[@someperson2287]

Pokerface - Plus Nord’s often travel to these tombs for offerings as part of honoring the dead. This is why Bandits are usually holed up in the opening area: kill anyone who comes in plus they’re relative safe from authorities. Much easier than being a bandit out on the road. I think I remember hearing this from someone who used to be a bandit in game but it’s very possible that was a mod too.

[@zeusthunder6799]

It's a trap He'll attack But most importantly he'll put food in the back

[@undeniableluck1239]

Maybe the ancient Nords also use all those embalming tools and linen wrap to mummify their newly fallen adventurer opponents into more Draugr like them?

[@undeniableluck1239]

@@Glitchy456 Why the fuck can't I at least get ONE like?! Ever!?

[@kevinmicheev2252]

Draugr goes to sleep

[@jackalhead7433]

1. Until the Dragonborn becomes the listener it's Astrid who's in charge of the Dark Brotherhood (in Skyrim at least) so she's the one who ultimately decides which target lives and which dies and this is an interesting note because Astrid could've killed the main protagonist in the beginning of the "Friends Like These" quest if she wanted to so before Skyrim players start whining and call Astrid a b***tch just because she betrayed the Dragonborn to the Penitus Oculatus let's not forget that she chose to spare his/her life 2. Every Elder Scrolls fan up to this point knows that in EVERY Elder Scrolls game there are multiple versions of one story whether it involves a simple quest or lore etc you will always hear multiple versions and it is up to the player to decide so just because Jiub claims that he killed every single Cliff Race it doesn't mean that it is 100% true he probably culled their numbers. Saint Jiub is obviously full of himself the fact that he wants to write a book about his achievements is enough proof that he's exaggerating 3. Breaking out with the help of magic is one thing trying to escape the city with the entire city guard chasing you is another but I agree with the narrator the guards should've taken more precautions with mages depending on how skillful a mage is the only thing that comes to my mind lazy script writers. 4. Obviously an older settlement of Rorikstead existed and the new one was built on the foundations of the old Rorikstead's houses 5. Again lazy script writers in TES 3 there were different type of coins found in Dwemer ruins but in Skyrim they only named it Gold and they gave it the appearance of a septim it's like when you use the US Dollar symbol in order to define anything that has to do with money in general even though the US dollars are not the only currency in the entire world

[@VenusFeuerFalle]

Since Skyrim plays in Skyrim, the land of Nords, and Nords have a general disregard for magic as far as I remember, they may not pay much attention to sorcery, and just think of it as a nice gimmick without really considering how powerful it might be. But since due to their disregard for magic, they unerestamiate its powers.

[@Scatmanseth]

3? Morrowind just named it generic gold and the face was never said to be the current emperor.

[@jackalhead7433]

I never said that in Morrowind the gold coins had the face of an emperor on them I only said that there are different types of coins found in specific places such as in Dwemer ruins for example instead of gold you get the "Solidus" if my memory serves me right Normally something like that should've applied in Skyrim's Nordic and Dwemer ruins as well but instead you find only septims It's due to lazy script writing the writers decided to name the coins found in Skyrim just "gold" instead of "septims" Like I said it's when you use the US $ symbol in order to denote money in general regardless of whether there are different types of currency used in other countries or time periods

[@-VoDkAsVengeance-]

The first "plothole" is literally explained throughout the entire DB storyline and is kind of the central point. You wake up in the cabin and have to kill one of the bag-headed prisoners because _you're_ the one with a price on their head, but Astrid explains (I believe multiple times) how you can bypass that by killing another. The Night Mother, at least before she starts giving names again, only requires an amount of deaths equal to the amount of assassination requests.

[@lilithr254]

Then i hope she is pleased with the hundreds of dead assassins I've sent her

[@ree7480]

Nope that's incorrect. You're in the cabin because you stole their contract for Grelod at the orphanage. She never says the price is on your own head. She states pretty clearly you 'stole' the contract and have to repay them. She never says YOU are the contract.

[@stevenbenavidez2564]

⁠@@ree7480 you’re correct bc you need to steal the contract to get in the DB

[@franciscovazquezjr4550]

"Hey, how's it going guys it's Nate here and Skyrim is a..." *rolls 28 sided dice to find out new synonym for big* "...großes game."

[@rickyyyyyyy4373]

The explanation kind of ruins the comment get rid of it and you'll have yourself a top-notch comment

[@franciscovazquezjr4550]

@@rickyyyyyyy4373 you sir are a good man for help lol

[@fritzbaum7332]

If you wanted to use the adjective though you would have to add "es" at the end. "Skyrim ist ein großes Spiel" is the exact equivalent to "Skyrim is a big game".

[@rickyyyyyyy4373]

@@franciscovazquezjr4550 I don't know why but I just felt that I should tell you lol

[@derekmensch3601]

Skyrim ist ein Großes spiel

[@EvenstarGW]

"Actually, Lucien did not try to recruit me. Not at first. He tried to kill me. My father wanted me dead, and he hired the Dark Brotherhood to do it. I escaped from Lucien, and paid my father back for his treachery. Lucien came to me again that night with an offer I just couldn't refuse." - Telaendril

[@kaiseremotion854]

Id assume if a person who hires the brotherhood kicks the bucket the contract is null?

[@britkein3779]

@@kaiseremotion854 An easy explantation is that the contract is like a Muiri contract. When you are given that quest no one in the brotherhood is told you go out and speak to the person paying. Therefore obviously if the person were killed the brotherhood would never even know of the breach in contract.

[@notoriousbig3k]

@@britkein3779 the contract is fufilled no matter what

[@notoriousbig3k]

@@kaiseremotion854 tules states no matter what they fufill contract

[@britkein3779]

@@notoriousbig3k This is before the night mother, they dont follow the rules. Astrid herself breaks the commandments through the quest line.

[@twash2186]

One explanation for the cliff racers could be that a handful of cliff racers survived and hid, then after Jiub died the population rebounded.

[@matthewmoore4778]

The explanation for the septims in ancient nordic ruins could be that after killing invading bandits and adventures, they'd recognize the gold coins as valuable and use it as offerings to shines or the most powerful dragur in the dungeon.

[@ryanhodgson9693]

The whole Rorikstead thing ties into the theories that Rorik was definitely lying about the town being named after him, and then goes down to the daedra worshipping sacrifice theory

[@Mayneman17]

I was wondering if anyone had touched on that after watching this.

[@vasilip]

Maybe Rorik is old as hell because of that sacrifice theory and the town really is named after him ages ago.

[@paddathurpadane6828]

No i beliv that that ther was a old city/villige named roriksted that the new one is named boffe after rotik and the old villige/city

[@heindepaauw4886]

@@paddathurpadane6828 The fact there was an old city there I think is proven by the tome of Gjalund. It is also true that many places in Skyrim were destroyed due to the Oblivion Crisis; most able bodied Nords joined the Legion or the Guards and the Empire famously abandoned their provinces in their time of need when the Gates opened (as told through dialogue about how Morrowind and Black Marsh/Argonia fared against the Deadra). So Rorik could have adopted a new name because the Nords value tradition as he rebuild the ancient town.

[@someperson2287]

I always thought Rorik changed his name after buying the town from previous owners. Maybe that’s how it’s always been and the owners keep up that tradition as Nord’s often love to do-keep after tradition.

[@starsegen]

I think the Septims in the Nord Ruins could be from Adventures killed in there and the Draugr just clean the place up from time to time and store the stuff they had.

[@MellowDarkflower]

I always assumed Bethesday just didn't care to add ancient coins in to the game.

[@SadisticSenpai61]

Makes sense - they're supposed to keep the crypt looking somewhat nice. And who are they to turn down treasure? They'll just store it in appropriate places, same thing with fresh fruit.

[@roosterbooster6238]

Vending machines

[@nicknevco215]

So it just considered aggressive donations

[@PunkZombie1300]

Also it's just called gold in-game. It could very well be old gold coins, but for the sake of simplicity all gold icons are the same and they're all grouped together in your inventory

[@benlacey529]

Regarding the Cliffracers, my best guess is that Jiub thought he had hunted them into extinction. Howerver, following him being soul trapped they manged to recover their numbers.

[@thomaswood8405]

I mean people say he drove the Cliff Racers out of Morrowind back in Oblivion. It would be a little weird to revere him as a saint if he didn't actually succeed, wouldn't it?

[@benlacey529]

@@thomaswood8405 Most people likely thought they were extinct, hence the sain-hood.

[@The.One.True.B]

I started using the ELFX mod with the hardcore option on, so there's basically no lights on in dungeons and it is extremely dark. You have to have a torch or a light spell.

[@Grancigul]

I have been looking for something like that, is it truly truly dark?

[@The.One.True.B]

@@Grancigul indeed it is

[@griff1240]

Me: visits the Soul Carin. Whiterun Guard that I soul trapped: Wait I know you. Me: ... April 10 2020 12:37am, when did this get 1.9k likes? August 21 2020 1:11am, when did this get 2.4k likes? Wear a mask December 16 2020 1:01am, hello again wear a mask

[@SaintKuro]

No mistakes here. You've committed crime against Skyrim and her people. What say you in your defense ?

[@stupidt3232]

@@SaintKuro I'd radther die than go to prison!

[@carrieclemons6844]

Similar story, I did the Skyrim civil war quests before the one with Alduin, and when I went to Sovengard, I ran into Legate Rikke….. (Who I killed) And she acted like she didn't even care that I killed her! Sheesh don't people at least have grudges for you killing them?

[@Ghostiification]

"Wait I know you" Oh crap time to ru- "You are.. the hero of Kvatch! This is truly an honor!" Every time

[@elephystry]

Carrie Clemons no, it’s Sovngarde!

[@ashleh47]

But Astrid actually DOES try to get you killed, further into the quests...

[@StephenMckeighen]

Spoilers

[@ashleh47]

@@StephenMckeighen I think this whole video is a spoiler ;)

[@Zwijger]

@@StephenMckeighen Let's be honest, if you haven't played Skyrim and that whole questline numerous times, you're probably not watching this video.

[@MarkD5678]

Though to be fair, at that point in the questline she admits that her trying to kill you was because you being the Listener and the return of the Night Mother made her afraid of losing her authority. She thought the Dark Brotherhood belonged to her, and that their predecessors' devotion was just superstitious nonsense.

[@jake2deeznuts]

MarkD5678 I'm wondering if Astrid just doesn't want you to know they tried to kill you before. Besides taking over her Brotherhood while killing the emperor seems like a bigger deal to tell than "Oh yeah. BTW... there was a contract out on you before I kidnapped you." She was already monolog deep in explaining you were set up on the assassination attempt.

[@Average-Joe851]

1) Astrid is known through out the Dark Brotherhood Arc for doing her own thing, this includes betraying the Dark Brotherhood. This encounter could've been one of her many missions that she kept quite about, or a mission she started before learning of your potential. You can actually run into this encounter after joining the Brotherhood. 2) It very easy to miss a few. It's very possible that he missed a few which led to their disappearance for a couple centauries. This would give him plenty of time to earn the title "Saint" and allow the hunting of them later. Many people would appreciate the break from the pests. 3) The Nords have a great distrust of Magic as the game states throughout the game. So it would make sense they would distrust anti-magic hand cuffs made by wizards. After all for all they know it could be cursed. 4) There were at least two wars and Dragons which would've been more than enough to make Rorik's Stead destroyed. However, there's also a trend to name your kids after yourself. So Rorik could've been the Rorik V and he accidentally found his ancestor's home and eventually naming it Roriksteads as it aged. It's also possible that it's two very different Roriksteads. After all Stead just means the place that someone filled. 5) Tomb Robbers are known of in Skyrim. All it would take is the Drauger to kill them and to clean up the place a bit. Fresh fruit and Septims from robbers would make some very obvious messes and make the number of skeletons down there make sense. Also their are a few times where people would use them as meeting places and drop off points for non-legal activities and business (including yourself pending on choices).

[@joelsullivan1248]

I never thought of the Dark Brotherhood assassins being anything other than a reason to not trust Astrid in the quest line

[@ChrisselWasser]

"It just works." -Todd Howard; Archwizard of Bethesda

[@lucasbuttner1221]

IT DOES WORK

[@TheFroglamp]

Why didnt the eagles just carry the dragonborn to sovngarde?

[@samsonguy10k]

Because Odahving told the Eagles to fark off. He was taking the dragonborn there.

[@TheDarkblue57]

Tactics Tim Why didn’t the Dragonborn just kill himself into soccer guard?

[@selestielwolf7949]

You simply don't fly to Sovngarde on a non badaas dragon

[@Gauntlet1212]

One does not simply "fly" into Sovngarde.

[@richardaka9497]

What a moron

[@bplup6419]

I always wondered how Astrid got you to that cabin to begin with. Imagine the Dragonborn goes to sleep in Whiterun (or even further for added confusion) and Astrid sneaks into his house, drags the Dragonborn down the stairs, past Lydia and then carries him all the way across country.

[@beeinthehive]

She drugged you.

[@casualcrisis6349]

i imagine she has something like shadowmere or special carriages, along with bribes, spells, drugs, murdering people in the way, could easily get a high interest target where they want. hire some wizards for telekinesis and invisibility, maven has the rest taken care of at a moment's notice probably

[@julia-6195]

For the DB, all they needed was one line: "Oh, that contract that was on you? There were... complications with the payment. You had dispatched a number of my assassins which increased the cost, and the client was unwilling to pay. There is a rule. One does not cross the Dark Brotherhood."

[@bobbilly7499]

I think I can explain the lack of anti mage equipment in the jails Skyrim takes place in... Skyrim home of the Nords aka the people that distrust/hate magic. The guards probably only rarely deal with mages or even see one, and almost never need any specialized equipment to handle said mages.

[@aloisvana1487]

Then again, if they hate mages so much, one would expect they would preventively break their fingers before throwing them in a cell. Just to be on the safe side.

[@Tatwinus]

You forgot that Skrim is also the land where some people can whisper a word and start an earthquake/rend the flesh from your bones. The guards probably just cba because if that guy in the cell needs special treatment he most likely can destroy them anyway. Its a bit like a traffic cop trying to stop a train, he can try his best but it will never be enough.

[@Longshanks1690]

Dennis Hårdén But shouting is only specific to the Dragonborn and the Greybeards. And the only other person who can is Ulfric. So the point still stands that magic is such a rarity in Skyrim, they don't need specific regulations to deal with it.

[@MrSpartanspud]

Yeah anyone with the patience to do so can learn to shout. The Dragonborn isn't special because they can shout. They are special because they learn how to do it so quickly.

[@citizenvulpes4562]

@@Longshanks1690 nope, ebony Warrior knows a few shouts. Anyone can learn shouts, but the Dovahkin is special because he learns them instantly by just looking at the letters. Regular people have to study each word religiously for years, to learn a shout.

[@AnthonyJayFoxxx]

Last Time i was this early ysgramor sailed to skyrim...

[@afinoxi]

Last time I was this late , snow elves went extinct.

[@XxMadnessXx]

Last time I was this early. The guards in Skyrim all had healthy knees

[@tammyfisher1017]

@@XxMadnessXx Healthy knees! LOL Now that's funny!

[@paladinheadquarters7776]

Madness XX they do.

[@macdhomhnaill7721]

Anthony Foxxx Last time I was this early, everyone was speaking Ehlnofex...

[@AzureKyle]

1st "Plot hole": Astrid is the kind of leader of the Dark Brotherhood who doesn't even follow the tenents, so her allowing someone in to the Brotherhood with a contract on their head makes sense. Especially since she's willing to kill the Listener to keep her place as leader. Plus, someone mentioned before, you get told someone has a contract against them when you have to make the choice to kill one of three. That could have been you, but because you killed at least one of them the debt is paid. 2nd "Plot hole": It's very possible Jiub may have missed some eggs or a couple Cliff Racers that went into hiding, so he could have believed he killed them all, only for a few to survive for Mjoll and her father to hunt. 3rd "Plot hole": Magic isn't as common as one might think, especially in Skyrim, with most mages sticking to the college, or each hold's court wizard, so it makes sense that they don't really have anything to keep a mage from breaking out, because they don't usually need to arrest mages. Even the Nord mage in the college states that Skyrim doesn't think to highly of magic.

[@jackmcwhackass9212]

The Fruit stays fresh because a handful of draugr know frost magic

[@bobbybologna3029]

They just breathe on it

[@powderabutt8160]

I just made your comment 69 likes... your welcome.

[@chosen_undeadd544]

And the girl in Riften learned to use ice wraith teeth as a preservation agent from a butcher. Well yeah, the Draugr are likely to butcher flesh of intruders.

[@jackmcwhackass9212]

@@powderabutt8160 Thank you, I am Forever In Your Debt

[@DaniTheDeer]

In Hillgrund's tomb the guy brings up that nords bring offerings of fruit and food to the tomb to keep the spirits happy, so Id assume that

[@TheOnyxGeneral]

For the last one. People in Skyrim are known to bring offerings to the tombs of their Ancestors. So it is likely that the Draugur take these supplies at night and store them away. But this problem has alwsys existed. The Alyeid and Dwemer ruins fell silent long before the 3rd Era also.

[@dane1382]

just a small correction; the septim dynasty existed since like halfway through the second era

[@TrololzillaOG]

@@dane1382 Tiber Septim ruled from 2E 854 - 3E 38, a total of 81 years, and thus only through the last half of the last century of the Second Era.

[@dane1382]

@@TrololzillaOG That is true, thank you for correcting me.

[@evervirescent]

well, septim may be the official name, but the game just says gold. maybe they used the same model intentionally so they would stack better, it would be way too complicated if there was some other form of coin

[@LordTuskk]

@@evervirescent that's what I was thinking. I'm sure they used some sort of currency back then and would leave it as offerings for their dead and the game just uses the septim model for it

[@themoagoddess1820]

the one about how do they hold mages in prison is pretty darn easy, the mage surrendered, if they were confident in their ability to fight their way out, they would've simply resisted arrest.

[@orshu45]

"Yes, the Dragon Broke again. What do you mean to reset Mundus?"

[@ryqabvn]

Dragonborn: Did you know the Alik’r are looking for a Redguard woman? Saadia: Are you sure? Oh no, they found me! A few moments later... Saadia: I heard one of them was arrested trying to sneak into the city Dragonborn: So why were you so surprised a second ago when I said they were here looking for someone?

[@dranomiscato2510]

ahahaha my first playthrough i didn't know she was a lying bitch till my second playthrough. I playfully thought how funny it would be to set her up and hand her in just to see her reaction .... only to find out she sold out her family to the aldmeri dominion! I think we will find out what happened to them in elder scrolls 6 ... we will see

[@baconchan8939]

@@dranomiscato2510 She'll be known as Saadia the deceiver. Bards will sing about how the dragonborn brought justice upon her.

[@n0odles86]

@@dranomiscato2510 if you handed her over, her urn appears in the hall of dead in Whiterun

[@Noobie2k7]

@@n0odles86 That's part of a mod and that happens because she's listed a resident of Whitrerun and that's how to mod determines which urns or graves go where.

[@zebfirehd9102]

she dies as she goes on trial and since she dies off view the game saids put her remains into the place she was staying out IE Whiterun.

[@GOWvMatchstick]

"Do they get a refund?" XD Hi welcome to Dark Brotherhood customer service, how can I help you? Yeah, I hired ya'll to merc the dude from Helgen...and I couldn't help but notice that now he works for you guys now.. Oh, well do you have your recipt? Umm..yeah hang on.. *Hands recipt* Here you are. Alright and would you like to donate to shadowscales camp charity? .....no thanks.... Ugh, have a good day...prick..

[@kregorovillupo3625]

I thought they used the same refund policy of FO76

[@moisesdouglas4734]

lol

[@theburningman5047]

Worse customer service ever! I wouldn't hire them unless their services are free

[@huverdoose]

"...perhaps credit toward another killing?" _I don't want in-store credit!_

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206]

xD XD 🤣😂🤣

[@drcidd8153]

One of the books in skyrim talks about how draugr actually clean the place up when adventurers aren't in there.

[@exxiethewriter3567]

I always just assumed that the contract for the DB was still technically active because of all the shit Astrid did against the dragonborn. Also the fruit could be frozen I guess...still wouldn't be good but I mean...the dragonborn eats anything.

[@levisamom5069]

for #1 i think its because its astrid...she breaks every rule in the book

[@Asraeks]

Yeah it was said that she disregarded every tradition of brotherhood. Dumb strumpet even tried to sell you out

[@madhouse2594]

@@Asraeks Actually in Oblivion, a wood elf in the Dark Brotherhood became a member after killing her father who did the Black Sacrament to kill her

[@MrUmakemelaff]

@@madhouse2594 Perhaps, one of the three people in the abandoned house in Skyrim was the person who put out the contract on the player...Maybe the check bounced.

[@ArturoPladeado]

@@Asraeks A *_strumpet_* ...That's a new one to me.

[@losnfjslefn8857]

She or one of the other members should still at least mention it...

[@dodgeworldl8470]

The Draugr are making counterfeit money. That's my only guess.

[@presidentforlife1732]

Maybe their great plan is to cause hyper inflation in the empire and then turn Skyrim into one big nordic tomb.

[@pangoprime8674]

@@presidentforlife1732 ROFL!!! Both you made me laugh, well played sirs!

[@SlavTiger]

Old currency that happens to have an equal exchange rate to the modern septum?

[@Pow3llMorgan]

Good one. I thought it could be the literal last remains of explorers and adventurers of old. The fresh fruit and bread though, I got nothing.

[@explodingpotato6448]

The first one can easily be explained by the fact that Astrid is corrupt, she has strayed from tradition, she backstabs you, the listener, what do you expect, the black sacrament doesn't even actually work until you get discovered as the listener, they hear about someone doing the sacrament then they get in contact, not through the night mother and the listener. The second Jiub hunted all the cliff racers on Vvanderfell, not the entirety of Morrowind. The third well, jails are meant for commoners and guards are still a thing, Skyrim doesn't have as many mage as Morrowind. The fourth seems to be purposeful, is it old rorikstead and new rorikstead, or is it something else , a metaphysical explanation perhaps? the layout being the same after 2 millenia feeds into that idea. And fifth is explained by the same book, and the fact that Nords make offerings to their deads, the same draugr that lit the candle probably moved them further in, though you can find septims behind dragon claw doors, that one could be interpreted as a plot hole, which is a result of not caring about minute details for game play reasons(loot) which is present in all games of a similar nature, the Witcher 3 was one of the first to step up and decide against it.

[@BoredByItself]

Don't forget another plot hole where you can still occasionally get brotherhood assassins after you even if you killed the entire faction already

[@elkudos6262]

"When I was a boy, that place always used to give me nightmares. Draugr creeping down the mountain to climb through my window at night... And generally being not as nice as they usually are when they come to trade for fruits and wax..."

[@someperson2287]

El Kudos this can’t be a real line xD

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206]

@@someperson2287 XD

[@emlynselene1096]

The first time I played skyrim (But not what I consider my first playthrough), that quote (the part he actually says) really added to the atmosphere, and stuck with me. It stuck with me on my actual first playthrough as well.

[@emlynselene1096]

@@someperson2287 it's exactly what Ralof says after you escape Helgen, if you go with him. Besides the last part, duh

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206]

@@emlynselene1096 Did you change it cause i remember it saying something else??

[@ballinbalgruuf8198]

I remember there being lore that rorikstead was founded again and again throughout history by people who coincidentally share the same name, Rorik. I forgot where I read it.

[@akkinda]

Ballin Balgruuf a KZbind called Camelworks has made a video on it :D

[@bobbybologna3029]

Thing is about TES those weird coincidences can definitely happen lol

[@kana22693]

Yep, destiny is a thing in TES universe so the original Rorik must've made some kind of deal with a divine to make sure that his village will not fall. Ever.

[@emlynselene1096]

@@kana22693 the theory is usually daedra, not aedra.

[@SoiledWig]

An unholy deal of some sort could certainly explain the unusually good agriculture coming out of that relatively small plot.

[@nkabruno]

When in the Dark Brothrhood questline Astrid cheating on you and siding whit Commander Maro, i think she is tried to do that contract at the same time...

[@zackcash4941]

He could just assume he got all the cliff racers and be wrong.

[@samb5065]

In Skyrim, they're not plot holes, they're *Dragon Breaks!*

[@jthomcres]

I can only assume you know EXACTLY how accurate that actually is.

[@supercool1312]

jthomcres why else would he have said it idiot

[@leysont]

@@supercool1312 Maybe he guessed

[@supercool1312]

Ouranikos no he didnt, the way it was phrased wasnt a guess

[@Alex-go8nw]

What if Jiub didn't slay every cliff racer but used an elder scroll to send them forward in time........ Tes6 dlc confirmed

[@derekmensch3601]

100000 cliff racers pour out of a hole in the sky

[@MercenaryGreil]

@@derekmensch3601 "The age of Nords is over. The time of the cliff racers is at hand."

[@arfbrickproductions386]

@@MercenaryGreil and there is one they fear racerkin

[@keltoronm2994]

That probably wouldn't work. The only reason alduin was sent forward in time is because dragons are susceptible to the powers of the elder scrolls

[@ronanvankessel6329]

Cliffborn

[@nathanbentley6970]

Guard 1: Is that the mage who killed that family traveling through the Rift? Guard 2: Sure is, she burned the parents and their 3 kids while they were sleeping. She won't be hurting anyone in here though. Guard 1: .. .. Can't she just hurl a fireball through th.. Guard: SHE WON'T BE HURTING ANYONE IN HERE!

[@dovahkiin252]

Can you PLEASE make a list of all your mods? It looks amazing, and I'd love to use them!

[@johnc._9822]

The cliff racer paradox is probably because jiub exterminated all the ones on vhardernfeel.

[@m2pt5]

*Vvardenfell

[@ua8143]

VHARDERNFEEL

[@cakeee5720]

John C.[_] thats a fancy way to say “Vvardenfell”

[@CJ_F0x]

Or he could just have been wrong in his assumption

[@mikefischer8576]

Or they were brought back from oblivion

[@Carreiramktp]

- Cliffracers nowadays are small cousin-species of the Cliffracers of old. - Nords dont have anti-magic measures on their prisons because mages aren't commonly arrested the same way as the rest are, you can count the times you found mages arrested, and those times they are usually pinned to the walls with those metal wristmands holding their hands high and distant. - Plus, magic in Skyrim has been largely deemed unhonorable so there aren't many mages abound in general. - The money and supplies in temples is from adventurers, bandits and even newer Draugrs. Draugrs inside replenish their lifeforce when sleeping in their tombs or niches, but they also drain the lifeforce from any living entity that enters the crypt and isn't part of the cult. Making those "dead" draugr-like creatures you sometimes see... they aren't draugr, simply contemporary people who got sapped. Also, there are secret Dragon cultists still, and those sometimes enter the crypts to become Draugr, being voluntarily sapped of their lifeforce as well, but remaining alife to replenish the Draugrs numbers. - The dark brotherhood contract is of the knowledge of Astrid and the brother tasked to kill you, when you slay the brother Astrid is the last person to know, and then she thinks you can be a huge asset to her (which you can be depending on how you play the questline). - Rorikstead isn't to be confused with Rorik's Stead. Rorik's Stead is the one in the song, north of falkreath, and that's the one people call "Old Rorik's Stead", hence the song. The "new" Rorikstead is the one we find today, to the northeast of Falkreath and some miles right, thanks to fact he founded the town and he is named Rorik, he named it Rorikstead because he found it fitting and to see if the song could make the settlement popular and hence bring trade by confused people like @TheEpicNate135

[@TattooedPink]

Well written! Saved me the time :p

[@SadisticSenpai61]

Actually if you read the book, Nate was describing an old settlement called Granite Hill. It's the entry right after Rorik's Steading. Rorik's Steading was just a small farm in the western plains that produced grain, leather, and horses. That's all the information in the book about it. And Rorik specifically says that the land he bought was an old farm that had been abandoned because it was barren. It might be the Old Rorik's Steading or it might not. But he definitely isn't above using the name to his advantage seeing as there's a song that mentions "Old Rorikstead"

[@BobBambo]

The magic thing isn’t really a plot hole I‘d say, there simply are so few mages in Skyrim that they don’t really have to worry about that. After all, most inhabitants of Skyrim still have a concerned view on magic.

[@billbill3915]

And yet every bandit crew I run into has at least one, usually two or three wizards in fur armor that tear my ass up if I'm not careful.

[@TheTendermen]

"Rare" besides the entire damn college, hundreds of necromancers, bandit mages, court mages in every hold, several magic sell swords, witch covens, Reachmen etc. Even if it is "rare", its common enough that the Nords (who in game are known to distrust most mages) should have ways to restrain criminal mages.

[@AlaskanWildChild]

The dark brotherhood thing kind of makes sense... Kind of... Bear with me here, Someone performed the black sacrament to have you killed. Astrid sends out an assassin to hunt you down. After you kill Grelod she lets you join and uses you to get more coin for the guild. You kill the emperor, and you are no longer required. So Astrid sells you out to the Penitus Oculatus and they try to get rid of you and finally complete the contract. But there’s a turn for the worst... You win.

[@AlaskanWildChild]

And then the arresting mages thing is sort of... Okay? If Wuunferth escaped and there was another murder, everyone would assume it was him. But if he stayed in his cell and there was another murder he would be freed.

[@8bitbulldog]

I've had moments of assassins attacking me...after joining the dark brotherhood...with a letter signed by Astrid...

[@undeniableluck1239]

Wtf Astrid... :l

[@iagoofdraiggwyn98]

Makes more sense later in the plot line. When Astrid is... well... Astrid. Sithis frowns upon her.

[@Eebens]

I can do one better. I've had assassins attack me after becoming the listener, with the same letter signed by Astrid even though she's fucking dead lol I think it was not supposed to happen and it's just one of the countless bugs this game has.

[@coffeepoweredkatie6290]

@@Eebens Nah it's blatantly her ghost. Her grudge transcends death itself.

[@elephystry]

Shady Vladimir Maybe the assassins were late.

[@metalmadness5851]

For the Jiub thing, it could be explained that maybe some Cliff Racers survived somewhere isolated, and slowly made a comeback, after Jiub was soultrapped.Which would be another chapter to how legendarily annoying Cliffracers.

[@poojohnpoo]

i think the reason you can join even if you have been attacked by a member is because astrid turns on you and tries to get you killed most likely fulfilling the contract

[@AmericanIlluminati]

A slight explanation for the dark brotherhood conflict is that when you kill your attacker, Sithis is satisfied & impressed. A soul for a soul. It would make sense for the dark brotherhood to then want to recruit someone talented enough to send one of their own to the void. Not expressed in game, but that’s my lore friendly head-canon. Lmbo

[@DatTransChick]

I always assumed cliffracers were only all killed off on Vvardenfell

[@firespur]

Zanzibar I’m pretty it states somewhere else it was only on Vvardenfell

[@SleepNeed]

That's what I figured. The annoying beasts can fly so they could migrate back to the island. Admittedly I must be a sadist too because I downloaded a mod and under it's options let the Cliff Racers return to Solstheim.

[@philosophicaljay3449]

That is actually what is stared/implied. Mainland Morrowind was untouched by Jiub

[@MrTohawk]

and it's only 6 years from Morrowind to Oblivion. It's amazing that he got all that done

[@philosophicaljay3449]

@@MrTohawk It is why I think Jiub is on TLD's level and that his death was because Dagon betrayed his deal with Vivec. The Cliff Racers are the reason Dragons never conquered Morrowind, and Jiub managed to kill ALL of the Cliff Racers of Vvardenfell in around 6 years, seemingly single handedly. That makes him an absolute badass.

[@thelonewanderer8220]

Maybe the drauger buy fresh fruit with the septims they have. And they got the septims from surplus ancient armor and weapons and that's why the value of ancient weapons is so low because the drauger have caused inflation. Wheres Game Theory at, we need to tall.

[@nic_aya]

Talk*

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

Astrid runs the dark brotherhood now so they doesnt follow the rules like they used to. But she does honor the traditions somewhat which is why she has you kill someone in the shack after she kidnaps you, someone elses life for yours.

[@jessehamilton5783]

What if Jiub was convinced he HAD exterminated all the cliff racers, but in fact was mistaken. Even just ONE mating pair could repopulate the species. Or even, some group could have worked to preserve the species from extinction. Jiub might not be aware of these people. Especially if they WERE aware of him and were doing their work in secret from Jiub and possibly everyone else.

[@unknownnumber723]

The last one is quite simple. The Draugur light the candles regularly. They are preparing everything for their masters return( dragon priests)

[@Longshanks1690]

Rex Orbis He...literally quotes Amongst the Draugr in the video.

[@Longshanks1690]

Unknown Number That's still doesn't explain the septims from the reign if the current Emperor.

[@TheMattrking]

The septims are from previous adventurers. They come down, get killed, the Draugur clean up the bodies because MESSY and stash their coins in chests and fresh food in barrels. “Why was this guy carrying 48 thistle, 127 plates, 52 apples, and a bug in a jar?”

[@edgarenriquez9921]

@@Longshanks1690 there's a fudgemuppet video that explains this. To summarize, you are obviously not the first person to enter the burial sites, although you do eventually clear them out. All those previous adventures had armor, food, septims, etc. Like the book read, the drauger cleaned the whole place and organized loot from the fallen adventures into chest, pots, urns, etc. That's why you are able to find modern armor like imperial.

[@XochiCh]

@@edgarenriquez9921 There's people complaining that why there arent any Old Nordic Coins in the ruins, when the answer is pretty clear, equivalencies, an Old Nordic coin made out of Gold and in the rough shape, size and weight of the Septim would possibly be taken by merchants as another septim, or even some other currencies from the multiple empires that exist or have existed in Tamriel making their way to Skyrim via adventurers or merchants.

[@Oktopia]

The mage in prison thing is easy. -Nords don't hold much relevance to magic or magic-users. So they don't really perceive them as a threat. Hence the lack of security in prisons.

[@MarkD5678]

And yet by the same token, the amount of hate and distrust the Nords have for magic wouldn't make sense if they didn't consider it to be a dangerous threat.

[@davidkoonce9075]

@@MarkD5678 Well, it seems to me that proper Mages are inherently rare in Skyrim. At least, those who live amongst society and aren't creepy necromancers in dungeons. And the mages who DO live in the major cities are usually in positions of power- Court Wizards, Healers, Priests... individuals you'd anticipate would respect the law. Combine that with the real world tendency for educated people to go to prison less often, and it seems to me that Skyrim simply doesn't have very many magical criminals- obviously not enough to have specific enchanted bracers or cells to handle. Most of the mages are in Winterhold.. and it seems that if you commit a crime there the College will take care of you... as far as Mages go.

[@MarkD5678]

Thats a fair assessment, most likely they considered the correct procedure to dealing with "elf witchery" would be with axes or arrows. @@davidkoonce9075

[@supercool1312]

MarkD5678 their hate for them is what makes nordic magic users rare, most people in skyrim are nords therefore magic is very rare in skyrim.

[@victoryvictorious633]

Liz G don’t they think of them as cowardly milk-drinkers that will die without honor?

[@RobHorrorGTS]

I have another explanation for the candles. Ever been to Candlhearth Hall? There's a candle that never burns out. You can ask the innkeeper about it.

[@altsadhara]

With the Dark Brotherhood one, there are two ways to look at it: Firstly, the moment you became a member of the Brotherhood, you became off-limits as a target. One of the most firm rules for the Brotherhood is to never harm another member (outside very specific exceptions). Secondly, you could also choose to look at Astrid's betrayal as her final attempt to complete that mission; you were allowed in and lured into a false sense of family in order to lower your guard so the nearly immortal Dragonborn could be defeated.