Slavery in Islam | Dr. Jonathan Brown

Slavery is something that used to exist and to this day, it still exists around the world, unfortunately. Slavery was something that was around even after Islam was already spread. One of the things it eradicated first was alcohol and racism. But some Muslims question, why didn't Islam help eradicate slavery?
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[@rer6513]

Shoutout to yasir for these lectures mashallah ur really looking at the issues the youth are thinking about and strengthening our iman. Jazakallah

[@anjumalvi3038]

There is a fundamental problem in Brown’s justification of slavery in any time and space: one certainly may see problems in employer-employee relations, but to equate them with slavery means blurring crucial differences. Employees have a contract, are working on conditions, may opt out, have a personal life, may make their own choices, have rights, and, crucially, are persons. A slave is typically not regarded as such, but as a means to an end. That is, a slave is fundamentally an object. Brown’s argument is based on a common but basically invalid predicament: the assumption that two wrongs make one right (“look, others do the same!”). There is also a further problem with using cultural differences as arguments as having incompatible values. But cultural differences are a matter of specific moralities, whether one is disgusted by what others do or not. The big question is whether there are ethical values beyond specific moralities. If there are not, one might as well look at the holocaust as adhering to specific cultural values that cannot be questioned from the outside - rendering this whole line of argument as sterile.

[@primeminister1040]

A slave can earn his freedom too, in Islam there is a contract between the slave and his owner.

[@anjumalvi3038]

@@primeminister1040 First of all, this contract, mukataba, is only a possibility. And, please don't forget the first word is slavery, and only then comes the second word, "contract". The first word should have not been there in the first place. Please imagine what slavery is and how slaves were (and are, in places like Mauritania) made in the first place.

[@favhwdg]

It is not only a possiblity, it is a right for the slave to have, the owner can't deny it...

[@Reewnat]

After reading his book, Dr. Brown doesn't homogenize "slavery" across all circumstances nor its actuation (nor each instance of its morality).

[@suiteyousir]

Amazing, thank you for introducing us to the Professor via your channel Sheikh. Will insha'Allah read his books some day.

[@ahmedsattar1359]

Shaikh Yasir Qadhi is really amazing and really teaches well so much can be learned from him.

[@Saa42808]

I wrote several comments (for real) and chose this one instead May Allah keep these two brilliant minds guiding the Umma and humanity. Ameen.

[@doctorikon]

This was amazing. Thanks Dr. Brown and Sheikh Yasir

[@StewartLucrative]

I'm not Muslim, but this is really interesting.

[@nestalianita]

The wisdom of Allah hidayah for him....may Allah bless him and his family

[@Calcoro]

Fascinating lecture by Dr. Brown. I visited EPIC masjid a couple of weeks ago and it's no wonder you guys get great lecturers like this!

[@buxsbunny]

two of my favorite people ! wow

[@nazirh100]

Sumer - Poets , priests and politicians , have words to thank for their positions - words that scream for your submission - Sting

[@aal-e-ahmadhussain3123]

He raised enough questions to make me realise I need to read more on the concept and its history. Perhaps his book is a good starting place.

[@thestraightpath2909]

What have you not published on? Same question 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 he's so relatively young but have accomplished so much. I'm ashamed to stand by this who is not born Muslim and say that I am a born Muslim. All his life has been nothing but accomplishments. Allah Yahfazhu

[@21972012145525]

The Straight Path it is not fair to compare yourself that way, but definitely you’re “hasad” is permissible! I’m sure you have your own personal accomplishments. That was the quickest 2hrs ever!

[@thestraightpath2909]

@@21972012145525 do not misunderstand me! This is not any form of 'hassad', but pure admiration.

[@MultiChhatra]

Don’t be ashamed, let his work be an inspiration for you to do more. Remember Allah will not look at what you achieve, He will look at the effort and sincerity you put in.

[@nazirh100]

The Straight Path - Poets , priests and politicians , have words to thank for their positions - words that scream for your submission - Sting

[@minhajtunu2681]

Salam brother. may God bless you and grant you paradise here after.

[@zoyasalaha9882]

The humbleness of yasir qadhi ... Masha Allah

[@SharpKnife523]

Great lecture, mashaAllah. However, I think he missed some key points to mention that he may have covered in his book: 1. As part of the process of eliminating slavery, the first thing that Allah SWT did was cutting the stream/source of slavery and that is the prisoners of war. Allah SWT legislated in Surah Muhammad Ayah 4 that now there are two possibilities left for Muslims when they capture enemies: release them for a ransom or free them as a gesture of kindness. 2. When Prophet Muhammad was sent to Arabia, slavery was rampant in the world so much so that it was the backbone of economic activities. It was a similar situation as interest or usury today in the banking system. Freeing slaves and especially slave women would have been disaster without making sure that there is proper process followed at the societal level before freeing them. 3. There is a hikmah in legislating the relationship with slave women as Islam is a deen of Fitrah and having slave women would always end up having sexual relationships with them anyways. This would have been worse if Islam would not have allowed it and legislated it. Keeping in mind that Allah SWT does not like it but tolerated it. 4. Today, no Muslim army can take any more slaves due to Ayah 4 of Surah Muhammad.

[@waleedbhullar2385]

What’s the name of the book?

[@salmanmuslehuddin4078]

@@waleedbhullar2385 “Slavery and Islam” by Dr Jonathan Brown

[@MuazOthman]

What an amazing lecture, speaker and host!

[@minhajtunu2681]

Mr. Jonathon . Amazing you are

[@jammooly8917]

For anybody who wants the answer to “Can female slaves be raped?” Which Dr. Jonathan Brown doesn’t answer in this video. According to Dr. Jonathan AC Brown’s book, Sunni scholars historically did not consider the consent of a female slave of any worth. Dr. Brown then attempts to explain that the Maxim of no-harm was commonly in place. Though this wasn’t effective.

[@davidsaleh5914]

How Islam moderated slavery Islam's approach to slavery added the idea that freedom was the natural state of affairs for human beings and in line with this it limited the opportunities to enslave people, commended the freeing of slaves and regulated the way slaves were treated: Islam greatly limited those who could be enslaved and under what circumstances (although these restrictions were often evaded) Islam treated slaves as human beings as well as property Islam banned the mistreatment of slaves - indeed the tradition repeatedly stresses the importance of treating slaves with kindness and compassion Islam allowed slaves to achieve their freedom and made freeing slaves a virtuous act Islam barred Muslims from enslaving other Muslims But the essential nature of slavery remained the same under Islam, as elsewhere. It involved serious breaches of human rights and however well they were treated, the slaves still had restricted freedom; and, when the law was not obeyed, their lives could be very unpleasant.

[@aaaaaaaaaaaa9023]

Amazing hair. Epic pen spinning skills.

[@21972012145525]

Jazakallah for such an informative lecture. Please link the book and professor brown’s social media in the description box so we can follow him. I would suggest that the thumbnail be changed from the handcuffs, as that does not seem to match the descriptions in this lecture accurately. This did not feel like a two hour long lecture, hope to hear more lectures from professor brown in the future, inshallah

[@osamasayed5929]

This is his FB page: facebook.com/DrJonathanACBrown/ and you can find his book on Goodreads: www.goodreads.com/book/show/42524676-slavery-and-islam and on Amazon: www.amazon.com/Slavery-Islam-Jonathan-C-Brown/dp/1786076357

[@ashi270]

Excellent explanation by Dr. Brown.

[@robotnitchka]

The milk al yameen topic is truly deplorable. His argument would absolutely not pass if he presented it to an experienced woman who was familiar with the degeneracy of men and their insane idea of 'love'.

[@hamedshah2363]

2:45 I want to learn thoes pen tricks

[@luqman7970]

one of the extra skills u acquire with 20 phds

[@CatherineTakamaki]

WarOwl made a really good tutorial on that

[@waqasakhta1]

Brother please don't learn those pen tricks because you won't be stop once you have learned them. Speaking from personal experience

[@nazirh100]

Poets , priests and politicians , have words to thank for their positions - words that scream for your submission - Sting

[@minhajtunu2681]

Thanks to brother the preseter.

[@andrewwhyte4753]

Teach me to be something of a chimera of these two guys and that'd make me happy!

[@aaaarq]

what book Dr Brown is talking about @ 1:20:33 ??

[@halimajahan8037]

Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah

[@purple1985purple1985]

What's the book he was mentioning at the end? He didn't mention name. Anyone knows?

[@bmz2109]

Owning another human being as property is immoral as it diminishes the worth and dignity of a human being. It’s immoral now as well as back then and regardless if it was from war or otherwise. An all merciful,omniscient creator of the universe should have outlawed it outright, especially if this was supposed to be his final revelation for all mankind and for all eternity.

[@jamese5936]

@@immortalxsoul Great. So by your logic when Western nations topple and defeat Muslim nations, they should also be taking slaves? Every soldier gets his Arab female slave. This way of thinking also applies the other way and let's be honest, not even a single Muslim majority nation can defeat NATO.

[@jamese5936]

@@immortalxsoul So if USA, Germany and France invaded Turkey, they would have the right to take Turkish women as slaves? According to your logic YES. My point is, you are not going to win all wars as a result by your logic, its only a matter of when you get enslaved.

[@Kimeikus]

Watch the video. He already debunked what you said.

[@tgstudio85]

@@Kimeikus No he didn't

[@Abu_jnu]

Please let me know who is the reciter on the vary opening of this lecture from 0:00 to 0:10 pls

[@ar-4775]

Intro Nasheed: 'Allah is My Lord' Link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2fJdYmMiph8jK8

[@Abu_jnu]

Jajakallah khair brother in islam.

[@Nafshadow]

الحمد لله

[@Hashimkhan19]

What is the name of the book that you wrote?

[@mpramd]

1:28:00 great question!

[@iteerrex8166]

Bismellah. The conduct of humans towards each other is defined in Islam, what to do and not to do. A certain sub-set of the not to do's can be defined as slavery for a particular time and place, and another sub-set for another time and place. Slavery is not allowed in Islam form the beginning, not in exact terms but in general principles of conduct. Alhumdulellah.

[@sarahnovella4971]

what's the title of the 350 pages books mentioned in 1:49:27 ? is it Slavery and Islam?

[@aaaarq]

It's called Slavery and Islam by Jonathan A.C. Brown You can find it on Goodreads: www.goodreads.com/book/show/42524676-slavery-and-islam and on Amazon: www.amazon.com/Slavery-Islam-Jonathan-C-Brown/dp/1786076357

[@sarahnovella4971]

@@aaaarq thanks!

[@khairilanuarmdyunos9496]

MasyaAllah that is one nice hair

[@tobangafeufeu]

I'm not sold on this "consent vs harm" principle. It seems like there would be a lot of leeway and open interpretation for a judge. Also the examples given at 1:39:30 "the slave woman is crying because she's not interested in him" is just all the more proof how bad slavery was for female slaves. Not to mention that these are probably just the "noble" examples and that there are probably way more darker examples omitted.

[@NRFP]

Do you read his book?tell first Reply please

[@tobangafeufeu]

@@NRFP I wonder how you got that idea but yes, I happen to be reading Dr. Brown's book "Misquoting Muhammad". Absolute must-read for every muslim and nonmuslim imo

[@OriginalAndroidPhone]

His crevatt looks soo great

[@sheriefelsayad5578]

I love Dr. Jonathan Brown but I think he wasn't that great here, dodging that question about Milk Yamin was a mistake in my opinion, and sometimes he doesn't answer straight up but goes into this bizarre workarounds and never gets to the gist of the Question. I like Dr. Yasir Qadhi's bluntness and frankness more on sensitive topics. May Allah bless and reward you both but it was a bit disappointing.

[@ertugrulbayrak11]

Very weak imo 2 not even 1 critical question answered directly!

[@AliHassan-mt8hg]

@@ertugrulbayrak11 the problem with current generation of key board warriors is that ''measure the intellect of people without understanding the types of intellect''dr brown is philosopher it is difficult for philosopher to answer question in do and dont;s.these peopke always want to go through proper context,if you want answer in do and dont;s ask this question to zakir naik because he has data base knowledge of all answers back in their mind .....

[@CoolStoryBro26]

Lol okay

[@hylianlegends]

He'd rather give no answer than a bad answer. Never miss an opportunity to stay silent.

[@lynnrosadudani529]

I listened to Dr.Brown's lecture and while I appreciate his intention to explain abhorrent practices in history as cultural constructs, I cannot help interpreting his arguments as moral relativism. There is no dispute that slavery has existed in all ancient cultures with a range of explanations ( no prisons so prisoners were used as slaves in a multitude of ways). However I think there is a universal value that transcends historical facts; and that is the condemnation of slavery as a moral imperative. One argument can be made that history ( and yes , this includes Islamic history) was never written from the perspective of the oppressed and enslaved thereby neglecting the accounts of persecuted . I am not debating that Islam as an organized religious movement changed the harsh treatment of those oppressed. It is well documented ( i.e.: Bilal) Dr.Brown's perspective never elaborates on the condemnation of slavery as a moral imperative only as a cultural construct we should understand. One has to question who the teller of history is and what constitutes morality more importantly. Perhaps Dr. Brown's lecture would be understood better by me if I understood from which school of Islamic theology his thoughts derive. But that is an entirely different discussion and one far too detailed to write about here. Thank you for letting me comment on such a thought provoking subject.

[@sameeraali4340]

What I took from this is that there is an abolitionist black and white narrative and then there is the nuanced one; the reality on the ground. Quran addresses the 2nd narrative. Slavery has been practiced throughout human history ranging from humane to an inhumane manner. Since the economy in those times relied upon this practice, Islam put forth rules and regulations regarding it. This was tactfully done, not only to discourage but eventually eliminate it, 'death by a thousand cuts' if you may. This is key to understanding the islamic stance on slavery. As many things in life, every thing is not black and white. Those who look for a simple yes or no answer to a complex issue as such are not comprehending the broader picture and not employing their critical thinking skills, either due to willful ignorance or their own personal agenda or its just too much time and effort to dedicate seeking the truth. If, hypothetically speaking, for some bizarre reason the practice of slavery returns, we have guidance. Do people misuse the Quran and hadith, that is a no brainer at his point in time...Allah knows best

[@Ibrahim-zf8qh]

I think he was more a historian than an apologist here, telling us what was that what it is supposed to be. He isn't making an argument for slavery or saying it is right. In fact, in another video of his, he insists that it is a universally acceptable truth that slavery is not okay and this is not something he challenges. Rather he, just wants to point out the myths that slavery, or at least, what we think about slavery, isn't what has been thought about slavery throughout the history and how that affects our perspective of that time and doesn't fully capture the extent to which slavery did and did not occur as well as the loopholes through which our own current circumstances may be subject to what we might define as slavery or might have been defined as slavery. I think this is where people misunderstand him. His position is more academic than apologetic in this matter, contrary to what people think

[@took_err_jerbs1568]

Agreed. To your point, let’s answer the real foundational question, if the prophet is a perfect example for all of humanity...why didn’t he just abolish slavery? Dr. Brown is an apologist. He compared slavery to every other form of servitude around the world and even questioned the definition of slavery. But the reality is this, the positive stories about slavery reform and good treatment of slaves in Islam is made by the oppressor not the oppressed. All the pain, destruction and torture enslaved black people experience are lost in the history.

[@Ibrahim-zf8qh]

@@took_err_jerbs1568 except, it isn't true. In another lecture of his about the same topic, slightly longer than this, he gives real life examples from the slaves themselves who recount the good treatment accorded to them. And he also insisted that slavery, at least in the Islamic world wasn't purely cut along racial lines but along religious lines and which itself was only allowed during wars of jihad as captives of war. This definitely makes the Arabs in the Trans-saharan and the East African coast slave trade wrong as no wars were fought there not to mention their treatment. That's why I'm insisting he is more a historian than an apologist because the evidence is there that the correct way of treating slaves didn't always happen and he isn't saying it always happened. And I also think Tue fact that despite the colorism issues in the Arab countries, there hasn't been a mass racial problem that required a social revolution as was required in America by the blacks who were taken there as slaves. I think this says something or maybe they just weren't many enough to make the outcry. Idk, I don't have the data. But yeah, I do think maybe he could have been a little more explicit in saying that the way the Arabs did it wasn't right though by saying how it was supposed to happen Islamically, he is implying that.

[@took_err_jerbs1568]

@@Ibrahim-zf8qh Real life examples of testimonials from enslaved people?Surely you can point them out right here without me having to sit through a lecture. However, I can literally point out with direct sources that slavery was not only accepted but encouraged and brutal. Is this the kind of example we want for all humanity? It’s a basic fundamental question that no one has been able to answer yet “The people came out into the streets saying, "Muhammad and his army." Allah's Apostle vanquished them by force and their warriors were killed; the children and women were taken as captives.” Sahih Al-Bukhari 2:14:68 “Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.' The Prophet ﷺ said, 'Go and take any slave girl.” Sahih Al-Bukhari 1:8:367

[@petrospetroupetrou9653]

Slavery arose, in parallel with the rise of war and organized religion, in the beginning of the Neolithic Period, circa 10000 BCE. Sedentism, materialism, hierarchical social structure were the fore-runners of all these abovementioned.

[@rakiabey553]

Ahmed bey YEAAAAAAAAAH tunis represent

[@emmanuelmacron3560]

First of all, I'm a Muslim, so spare me the "Islamophobia", "Bigot" etc.-comments, please. I watched the video twice. Reason being; I found it annoying and wondered how the speaker can be this acclaimed, when he made the weakest arguments and apologies trying to justify and relativize Islamic slavery. I cannot and will not - under any circumstance - accept, that slavery is legal in no way, shape or form. Islam might allow it, but I - as a Muslim - am against it. All he did for almost two hours was trying to justify slavery and play with semantics. His examples sucked too. One of his examples: In the Ottoman times a young man was given by his family to the Ottomans as a slave and rose up through the ranks to become a grand vizir for a couple of decades. It doesn't make it right, just because his destiny happened to be good. He was given away to someone else as a slave to please the slave owners needs. His agency was taken away, and so was his freedom. He didn't have the right to leave or do as he pleased. He could very well have ended up being whipped and taken advantage of as slave labour, until his final breath. No matter what the outcome of said slavery is, slavery is wrong within it self. And that's what it comes down to: Agency, free will and freedom. No matter how good you treat a slave, how many rights you give him or her, they're still a slave. They have an owner. And that's wrong, no matter who says it or does it. Another argument: "Everyone did it." - That does not mean, that it was morally right. Having an owner is never right. We are born free and should end our days as free. Society can put people in prison for a certain amount of time, if they break the law. But taking someone hostage and making them your slave is something completely different and never right - no matter which place or period of time we're talking about. I cannot believe, how many of my fellow Muslims found this talk good. It wasn't. It was a a sad attempt at justifying something intrinsically wrong.

[@emmanuelmacron3560]

@ÒγÓ REGIMÈ, Islamophobia means having irrational fear towards Islam. How is that even possible as a Muslim?

[@jasonjason6525]

Random Guy If you are Muslim and don’t like anything in islam that Allah and His Messenger brought, well let me tell you myfriend you are not a Muslim you are a hypocrite and if you die that you will be in Hellfire for eternity.

[@emmanuelmacron3560]

@@jasonjason6525 let's leave that to Allah, and not you, mr. KZbin Imam. Lol.

[@emmanuelmacron3560]

@Emmett Brown I understand, what you're saying, but there's a huge difference between Allah swt. and other human beings. Also, regarding your example, I am against war, but if I refuse to pay taxes, I will go to prison. I will break the law. Meaning; Paying taxes is a must. Supporting, excusing or relativizing slavery is not.

[@emmanuelmacron3560]

@Emmett Brown, as a Muslim, one is to stay away from breaking the law of the country in which one lives, unless that certain law is in direct contrast to Islam. So I kind of am forced to obey the law of the land - also from an Islamic standpoint. Also, one can - even if paying taxes - be a vocal opposition against wars. As for your second part, Allahu alam. But I still see, how it can be misused, as we've seen with Daesh in Iraq and Syria, where they tried to deem their actions legitimate regarding enslaving people and women and selling them into slavery amongst themselves. Allah swt. is ar-rahman, ar-raheem. Jzk. thanks for your input. I wish you all the best, brother.

[@selinan3077]

Which book?

[@farhanurmiah2635]

I think its misquoting muhammed

[@umerkhan1709]

Slavery and Islam

[@kananqasimov1647]

👍

[@tobangafeufeu]

I wish I could see what the hell he's scribbling with his pen on that paper while he's talking?

[@oceanicblue3529]

So my comment was deleted. Now I have fitnah. I love the shaykh but

[@stopscammingman]

Here's a good way to look at it; how would you like it if non Muslims gained and handled slaves in the exact same was as is outlined here? How would you like if if a family member of yours was enslaved in the same manner. Whether it was or was not unheard of for people to be against slavery altogether, people have, for many centuries had the wherewithal to be against their in group, the demographic they value the most being enslaved. In the case of Islam, enslaving non Muslims was forbidden, in the Catholic Church in the middle ages it was forbidden for non Christians to be enslaved under pain of excommunication. In later years the west was against the enslavement of white people. All these people had to do was look at slavery through the lens of the golden rule and they would have been against slavery. In the Old Testament, there is also considerable apprehension to making Hebrews slaves. Foreigners could easily be bought as slaves, but Israelites could only be subjected to debt slavery for a fixed period. Jonathan Brown couldn't even bring himself to say Muslims contributing to the transatlantic slave trade was wrong in the case of non Muslims being trafficked. Its nice that some the audience questions were sharp witted and I doubt they were very satisfied with his answers.

[@jj-yi1ne]

thats exactly what non muslims did but much worse

[@Hashimkhan19]

Got it. Don’t mention.

[@tamikajackson3419]

Azzezel taught mankind the art of war from bows and arrows to nuclear weapons of forbidden knowledge outside his lanes for subliminal Santa Revelation Chapters 1 14 Old Testament and one bad apple don't spoil a bunch unless you put them in the same basket from days of old.

[@maessof91]

Says slavery can't be defended , proceeds to defend it for over an hour, its degusting now for good reason.

[@engineer8363]

You missed the entire point of the video 🤦 Slavery was widespread in pre-islamic Arabia, therefore to eradicate the practice it had to be done over a long period of time. This is not something you can change overnight.

[@kyzersmansion2487]

In all honesty, this was not good, Dr Jonathan Brown kept on saying that slavery cannot be defined or we believe in divine command theory but that itself it problematic, Islam does recognize slavery as an evil, hence it talks about freeing of slaves but it was not possible during that time to abolish it because it was so ingrained in the world, as for the divine command theory, it was most probably adopted during 9th century and promoted by asharism because of platos dilemma but saying that what God allows is just, and what God commands is good, then why can't Jesus(pbuh) die for people's sins and say God commanded it? That would become just. We do recognize injustice intuitively because the Quran itself says if you find it unjust marry only one woman(btw I'm not against polygyny) and lastly just saying if American presidents or everyone in history did it doesn't take away from the current problems because it is a problem now. They are not a role model but prophet is a role model, no one cares what people did in 13th century or whatever but people do care about religious founders. Also, by saying slavery is not evil, you are just helping groups like Isis justifying things through the religion. In the book incoherence of the inocherence, ibn rushd pointed out on the divine command theory, if God commanded you to worship idols, would you? Also, some people say that there is an independent standard of goodness which is identical to God but then it restates the dilemma - is God, god because of his goodness or because of his goodness he is God. Lastly, he is mixing cultural morality with objective morality, also he is not defining murder and killing because there is a difference Finally just saying people married young earlier doesn't take away from the fact that this is a problem now? And then how is the prophet an example from all times?

[@mrloski2915]

Define slavery in a way that it applies to all societies and all times and only refers to slaves and not non slaves. Go.

[@kyzersmansion2487]

@@mrloski2915 so we are playing with semantics now? Slavery - owning another person ? Idk in what condition do you think slavery is okay, see I understand there were certain benefits and I'm not denying there was some good which came with slavery for eg some slaves got civilized and became part of the society but that's in the past, im not judging people from the past, what I'm saying is would it be forbidden now? , do you know how stupid it sounds when people go on about no plucking eyebrows or something but GOD got it wrong on slavery? + how are you in a position to condemn extremist groups who own slaves if you think it's right? Also don't go on about but islamic slavery is right? So Christian slavery is wrong? But isn't it the same god and that's just cherry picking at this point? The truth of the matter is there was a near consensus on slavery in middle Ages and now that consensus is gone. Would you be fine if someone takes your sister or your wife as war captive and make her a sex Slave but they would give them food and shelter? If you kidnap someone and give them food, it's still kidnap And lastly, people can believe something even without definition, even within Islam you don't know the essence of God if there is such a thing Or how does god create or how his attributes relate to each other.

[@mrloski2915]

@@kyzersmansion2487 The state owns prisoners. Is that wrong?

[@mrloski2915]

@@kyzersmansion2487 The point I'm making is there are circumstances today that would and could be classified as slavery or indentured servitude but go by a different name. The word slavery is a shibboleth, especially in America and in my community (black) and rightly. But to answer your question, I see the state owning prisoners as justified due to past crimes. When I was a veteran, I was in a sense, federally owned, where resisting a command could result in my imprisonment. A soldier isnt a slavery but the idea of losing the freedom to decide what to do with your body in every respect makes it share with a slave. If you are a Muslim, then you acknowledge the prophets, faithful, and yourself as slaves to Allah. Just because the term is soiled because of the abuses of American slavery doesnt mean that it is inherently bad. Are we no longer slaves of Allah? Are we above his rule, will or discipline? Of course I would not want anyone I know sold into slavery. I wouldn't want anyone I know sent to war, or be executed, or be whipped. I personally wouldn't want to fight and maim and be maimed but what of it? Neither of us are the standard. I believe Islam deals with mankind at it's most base, strip of all luxury and address humanity in affluence. Put mankind in a state of nature, or societal collapse and I guarantee the wisdom of sharia will be evident, when contrast to what humans will do left to their own devices.

[@mrloski2915]

@@kyzersmansion2487 Also divine command theory can bypass the Euthyphro dilemma, he only commands what is of his nature. God is good and wills commands from his natures. Morality isn't above or beneath him. While we are able to intuit or reason about right and wrong, we are also able to go astray and we are anxious and prone to error as humans, remember we arent the standard: "Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not. (2:216). What may feels counterintuitive to you may very well be what is right. Allah knows; we do not. Islam is thinking critically and I applaud you but it's also submitting to sharia and the sunnah.

[@dandinkulong5941]

I am a slave by choice slave if Allah.

[@safwansalehjee7961]

Slavery is not intrinsically wrong... Application of Slavery could be right or wrong..

[@themutereactor]

biryani party was the legit answer.

[@amjidru]

Three movie references inside 50 minutes 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂. Obviously for research purposes 😂😂😂🤣🤣

[@therealdoy99]

Yeah I love how as soon as he mentioned Wonder Woman you could hear everyone whispering Astaghfirullah.

[@amth3400]

There is no reward for making a free person as slave!

[@Buzzkilling2]

What was the name of his book?

[@osamasayed5929]

It's called Slavery and Islam by Jonathan A.C. Brown You can find it on Goodreads: www.goodreads.com/book/show/42524676-slavery-and-islam and on Amazon: www.amazon.com/Slavery-Islam-Jonathan-C-Brown/dp/1786076357

[@21972012145525]

As Salam ale kum. I need your prayers...I am currently separated from my husband. The issues between us are big, but not bigger than allah swt. Please pray for me.

[@minhajtunu2681]

When i look at your face it seems to me '' Sun is rising in the west '' B.desh.01913414233

[@21972012145525]

minhaj tunu ?

[@typingwithonib8622]

@@minhajtunu2681 wriedo.

[@jj-yi1ne]

inshallah you will be better

[@21972012145525]

@@jj-yi1ne ameen. Jazakallah

[@adelinachernykh8114]

Why did God make Quran so complicating that we all today keep debating and fighting and trying to find the right interpretations of the verses? Why couldn't he just make it all clear for everyone, that a person would read the whole quran and understand it a without seeking any help to get the point from any scholar or imam?... this makes me doubt a lot

[@hylianlegends]

It is clear. And Allah says they are clear, except for people get hung up on technicalities. The Quran is about 30 pages of law. The rest of it is about Prophets, day of judgement, heaven, hell, and being righteous. So I'm not sure how you can make such a broad statement that the Quran is so complicated. Even the sahabah asked questions. If you don't understand something, ask a person of knowledge. But to question "why didn't God do this or that" is not our place.

[@adelinachernykh8114]

@@hylianlegends Complicated because even scholars cannot agree on one thing. Everyone of them has a different interpretation and opinion. Who to listen?) I better listen to myself and what my heart tells me.

[@MAX-tw3qz]

Because you're trying to believe it is all true when in reality it isn't. Find a teaching that makes sense for you then you'll understand it and be without these anxieties.

[@gummypoppa]

@@MAX-tw3qz so you can just pick and chose?

[@MAX-tw3qz]

@@gummypoppa You find that which speaks to you or move on until you do. There's a bountiful world of ideas out there, if it's not hither and thither it's elsewhere, just seek it out. It's certainly not in the Qur'an, without seeking outside it you can't even be a Muhammadan or begin to make sense of its contents.

[@nasadeen1972]

As Salaam Alakium. The concept of a human owning another human, male, female, or both as property regardless of the level of treatment or mistreatment should ALWAYS be at a gut level, disgusting, dispised and rejected. And the thought of possible reinstitution of slavery...... astagfirullallah, LA!! May Allah forgive us all.

[@primeminister1040]

So you disagree with Islam?

[@tgstudio85]

*the concept of a human owning another human, male, female, or both as property regardless of the level of treatment or mistreatment should ALWAYS be at a gut level, disgusting, dispised and rejected.* Then why Islam allowed it, heck Muslim to this day practice that.

[@bol4death]

@@primeminister1040idiot. It was a system to slowly eradicate to abolish it

[@zayidabdulkareem7797]

There are African Americans who got free and took slaves.

[@lipstick3086]

Sorry but dr brown hasn't justified slavery at all. All i understood was that in the islamic world slavery was a lesser manifestation of an evil act ......but its still wrong. Its crazy that you need an hour to fully comprehend Dr Browns perspective. Personally i think its because the Nafs knows slavery is wrong and needs an hour of manipulation to see that view.

[@tamikajackson3419]

The Roman's accepted the Virgin Mary when the archangel Gabriel and subliminal Santa kept visiting the Virgin Mary before the son of God was born and told her to rename the son of God Messiah to born Jesus Christ without authority from Our Heavenly Father. The Roman's worship Mary before the son of God was born and after his birth and even after Christ Resurrection, Mary assumed her position back within the Roman Catholic Church and wanted to be worship as a God under the cloak of subliminal Santa and the archangel Gabriel of the Roman's Catholic synagogues and St branches thereof in English Roman crucifix crosses on anyone who oppose Roman laws.

[@jj-yi1ne]

stop preaching

[@Woziewaseraswell]

It doesn't take that long to justify slavery. Owning a person is ok? Yes or No?

[@feswalsalim7909]

They put slev things kanchenji no way

[@minhajtunu2681]

It looks like a Sun rising in the west. Allah willing.

[@omerabbadi9389]

Genius Sun rising in the west is when no salvation after that. Don't be in lozy dreams. There are so many Islamic scholars unknown very much much better the KZbin scholars but they avoid coming on this media.

[@Alejandro-te2nt]

is dr. brown playing tic tac to against himself while he thinks?

[@tamikajackson3419]

The archangel Gabriel wanted to be worship as a God and appear in multiple religions and one bad apple , the archangel Gabriel told Muhammad the forbidden knowledge of what is prescribed for angels to call him with Muhammad and been Earthly since the days of Mary. The archangel Gabriel blasphemy Allah 99 times upon the Earth and i am telling Allah, what is in the box in Mecca? The archangel Gabriel tookside counsel from Azzezel Jibrel and Satan with Muhammad and claim the moon, and Allah bless me with the Stars 12 upon my head and I am telling on him.What is in the box in Mecca?

[@jj-yi1ne]

dont worship jesus. just worship god alone

[@iamsham9548]

Caliphate

[@stuffit4472]

Alternative explanation. Muhammad was trying to increase the number of free Muslims at a time when they were few. This is why he wanted people to free slaves, especially if they converted to Islam. He was trying to build the ummah.

[@jj-yi1ne]

alternate explanation. you were not there

[@iamsham9548]

Caliphate...

[@tamikajackson3419]

Christ taught his Disciples how to pray in secret because of the Fallen angels who try to incept prayers and Christ told them in the closet with the doors closed and ask of Our Heavenly Father in secret and walked across water to share his purpose

[@nj4092]

did jesus son of mary teach that or paul?

[@jj-yi1ne]

stop preaching christianity. jesus allowed slavery. leave us alone you creep. we want to talk to liberals

[@jj-yi1ne]

stop preaching christianity. this page is not for you

[@AlisherPainting]

What? No one condemned slavery until the 16th Century? Cyrus The Great in 500 BC the King of Persia had freed all slaves of every state he conquered, and gave an equal freedom to all nationalities and religions. He then hired those same freed slaves and paid them to build his courts and recorded it in writings on the clay cylinders which are in the museums now. But then for other different states for many centuries there was no advanced labor system that is regulated by the government to protect the rights of the everyone, but free labor was crucial for them growing economies just like the taxes. As you say, politically it was not a good decision to abolish it, or even was not at the table to think about using the basic human moral souls as did the King of Persia 1000 years ago. And things that were even less morally bad like drinking alcohol was definitely not a good thing to keep while it could turn your armies to alcoholics and lose wars. Today, past century, or 500 hundred years ago, or when the religion started to serve as moving force of a new growing state or states, every priest or ulema or religious scholar was either represented by a powerful politician of that day or king or leaders, or sponsored by them. So all of that political influence has over time built up and the result is what are introduced to as a religion. I mean, there’s no way almighty god would allow slavery in any form, let alone letting the masters keep their children as slaves too, or allowing for having concubines. Trying to mix the conditions of slaves, territorial differences to justify slavery with new definition is simply wrong if you believe to the justice of the creator, because all god created individuals has a choice to decide on their own, that’s what god tells us when we think using what the god blessed us with, the moral mind.

[@jj-yi1ne]

no he didnt. persians loved slavery

[@squidley1000]

Slavery is still going on now in Libya what’s he talking about🤷🏾‍♂️

[@samm7778]

What Proof

[@jj-yi1ne]

christians started the slave trade in libya. get rid of christ. get rid of slavery

[@AA-dr4ti]

A White American discussing a better version of slavery in a country which has great racial tension? Wish the Muslims in America had a little more foresight in this

[@MJ1920_6]

Listen!!!! This. Right. Here.

[@tamikajackson3419]

No one may claim Our Heavenly Father Temple of Worship as their own not even fallen angels of St Gabriel churches or any 5 pillars rituals by the archangel Gabriel.

[@jj-yi1ne]

stop preaching on here

[@angellydiaofficial]

As an American revert Muslim, I am learning and confused by the fact that Islam allows slavery especially being a black woman, so I’m glad to find this video, because I just can’t believe that our prophet pbuh could ever own slaves

[@angellydiaofficial]

I’m so thankful for Dr. Brown’s whole breakdown alhamdulilah for explaining, I left this video happier about my journey in Islam

[@Laboomlalaboomstick]

You've gone down the wrong path, islam is very destructive towards women comparing them with camels

[@Laboomlalaboomstick]

This person is justifying slavery

[@omerabbadi9389]

Best answer for the question if a female slaves raped by a male master there is high possibility the slave will resist and in turn get hurt. Which makes her go out and raise a complaint to a judge which eventually gets her freedom. Point to be noted in the earlier time of Islamic rule the judges were not like the one which we have today. So a master if u little sense and intellect will never force a slave to do the thing because he doesn't want to lose his property. It's same like u r owning a fragile antic which is very expensive u will handle it with care hope that answer the question peace

[@nothanks8594]

The answer is that there is no slavery or slave sex in Islam.. this was an innovation by the rich and powerful

[@refoizudeenmaricar3962]

I think you have never read the quran with meaning

[@nothanks8594]

@@refoizudeenmaricar3962 I think you know that is not true 😌

[@refoizudeenmaricar3962]

@@nothanks8594 according to quran slavery is permissible in war, it's a fact not my opinion its in quran

[@nothanks8594]

@@refoizudeenmaricar3962 Read 47:4 and get back to me

[@MAX-tw3qz]

Then why are whole chapters of hadith so devoted to it that it became Shari'a. Who are "those your right hand possesses" in the Qur'an?

[@tamikajackson3419]

Our Heavenly Father alienated some of the rebellious angels in space after the war in Heavenly Places. Many visit the ones stripped ugly from Glory and alienated in space of bad apples and gather forbidden knowledge and return to Earth hybrid and appear genuis to masses businesses with them Apples called forbidden knowledge. Our Heavenly Father called them false gods of fallen angels in his commandments under his Covenant.

[@jj-yi1ne]

prove your god exists

[@Toolgdskli]

Although they have done great things, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington are sinners and not perfect like any other human being. Is that how you view your prophet?

[@jasonjason6525]

If you are an Atheist, you don’t have any say on the topic because there is no objective morality in your world view. Secondly, if you are christian the then the bible condones it and even the Prophets like Solomon and Abraham had slaves. In islam we do not put Prisoners of War in prison and leave them in inhumane condition like Guatanamo bay, rather they stay at our houses and eat at the same plate as us and wear the same clothes as us, because that is the punishment and they were trying to kill us before in a war. In Islam it’s illegal to capture a freeman and put him in Slavery. But you can prisoners of war in slavery because that is punishment for attacking us rather in Gutanamo bay and prisons which they live in inhumane environmet, eat and wear different clothes than the rest of us. Read the Quran for yourself and i hope Allah Guides you to Islam so you can enter Paradise and be saved from Hellfire.