Sleeping in Hyundai Ioniq 28 kWh in Folldal

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[@Taroodin]

In the tire tracks the snow is compacted, less insulating. So the heat in the groud shows up. Snow can be a good insulator, think igloo.

[@Tshiv26]

Yes uncompacted snow is full of small air pocket. And steady air is a great insulator. It's the same in the wool or foam we're using to insulate.

[@6lejf7]

it's probably also slightly darker in color, absorbing the suns heat better instead of reflecting it into space. Doesn't take much to show up.

[@micgalovic]

Color (white snow) and structure of the material (compacted, flatter snow) influence how much radiation is emitted. You have to calibrate the thermal camera to compensate for different materials. The snow was probably under 0°C, it just emitted as much radiation as a 17°C grey matte object, so the camera thought it is warmer. Also why we shouldn't melt the ice caps. They reflect a lot of radiation.

[@MikeInTheWoods]

20:34 - Well, there's a sentence I didn't think I'd hear in a video about an electric car

[@Excell4nte]

Infrared cameras can detect old tire tracks in snow because the tracks have different thermal properties than the surrounding snow. The compression from the tires alters the snow's insulation and heat conduction characteristics, making the tracks stand out in infrared imaging, even if they're quite old and there's no actual temperature difference.

[@Tshiv26]

There is a temperature difference. The ground is warm and yes compacted snow is not an insulator as good as uncompacted snow. So there is more heat coming through the tire tracks from the ground than coming through the untouched snow.

[@Daniel.Trifonov]

@@Tshiv26, and compacted snow also has different reflective index than uncompacted.

[@ErikMeike]

This I think is a great example reminder that what everyone calls a "thermal camera" is really just a camera that can see in the long wavelength IR. Then the temperature is computed assuming that the material is emitting black body radiation of the brightness the camera sees within the wavelength band it is sensitive to. This means everything that you know about cameras applies. Eg mirrors, white/black objects (different emissivity), lenses (need to be made of weird materials, but do work) all will still affect the camera.

[@Excell4nte]

in the specific scenario of Northern Norway in mid-December with temperatures around -30°C, it is more likely that tire tracks in snow would be visible on an infrared camera due to differences in the thermal properties of compressed versus uncompressed snow, rather than due to ground warming. The extreme cold conditions make it less probable for the ground to provide a significant heat source that would create a temperature difference detectable by infrared imaging.@@Tshiv26

[@maikalias1502]

classic Ioniq was a gamer changer, I ordered one of the very first delivered in Germany. Incredibly resilient battery! still driving Ioniq classic these days, my girlfriend has one:)

[@thedatroxde]

Nice 👍

[@judebrown4103]

The peeing test was beyond hilarious! Great video Bjorn, what a beautiful place. 👍

[@SuperEgleh]

a consumption of around 20 in -31 and over the venabygd mountain pass on top of that is just very impressive! the ioniq is one of the most efficient ev's ever. also appreciate the peeing test in -30. this is next level youtube.

[@Mojoh0906]

The first time I slept in my ioniq was 4 years ago. It was -6° Celsius, temp in car set to 18° and fan at lowest speed. Slept for 8 h and used about 8 kWh. I also have foam sheets for the windows.

[@ke8261]

Hi, did you buy or make the sheets yourself?

[@myaccount__7269]

I have had my 19 Ioniq ev since new and it’s been fantastic. Other than a new 12v in the first 6 months it’s been flawless. It’s efficient for its size and charges fast at dc chargers at 55kw which it hits immediately. I got a model y p performance now but it’s still fun to drive the ol Ioniq!

[@4EV-ER]

Probably the fastest charging sub 30kWh car ever made. It's quite impressive as a lot of newer bigger battery cars need preconditioning to charge over 40kw at those temps... Maybe it's the cobalt like Bjorn said. 😂

[@fiehlsport]

Ha, I have those two cars now as well. And just replaced our Ioniq’s 12V too.

[@asymmetrx]

Proud of my ioniq😎

[@Rothammel1]

please don't make so many ioniq classic videos, I want to buy one too and I'm afraid the price will go up 😂😂

[@user-em5xk9sw2g]

😂❤ A real Bjørn video again... Love it. You are the best!

[@JimmySelgenNielsen]

The reason for the difference in temperature in the snow is that water is great at transferring heat, and that’s also the reason why sweating works if you’re hot, or your hands feels colder if they’re wet, you’re essentially leaking heat through the moisture. Air on the other hand is not very good at transferring heat, which is why we use it for insulation. Insulation is basically just a matter of trapping a much air as possible in a place where it is not disturbed. Undisturbed snow is 10% water and 90% air, so it will not readily transfer heat, which is also why snow can take a long time to melt. What happens when you drive over the snow is that you compact it, essentially removing some of the air from the snow, giving it a higher ability to transfer heat from the ground into the atmosphere, which again consist of mostly air (and some water vapor), so the heat gets “stuck” in the compacted snow.

[@stig7031]

Not sure if the yellow live stream was necessary!

[@A.l.e.x.93]

Thanks Björn for this content! The effort you put into this is unique! I too will probably buy an Ioniq 28 kWh. I already own a FL model with 38 kWh, but as a winter car the 28 kWh ioniq seems to be better on longer journeys. But I would like to mention again that sleeping in the Ioniq works really well. The floor is completely flat, you don't have to level anything, just put a mattress on it. I slept in the Ioniq Facelift for a full 14 days in the summer. Of course it will be uncomfortable in winter at -30°C, but good in summer. In summer you can also stretch out, if you are no taller than 1.80m.

[@nakfan]

Always Beat the Cold 👍

[@miege90]

Closing the vents you don't need and setting the ventilation to blow all the air towards the passenger can massively help with bringing more heat towards the back. I usually close the vents next to the door and point the middle vents center straight towards the back. Depending on the car you can close all the front vents and thus get massive airflow in the rear vents. It will increase noise but it will be much more efficient, too

[@haugstadianer]

Snow is a great insulator, compressed snow not so much. This is why compressed snow seems warmer, "heat" is coming from the ground through the compressed snow and not the none compressed snow.

[@LoremIpsum1970]

*Emissivity* Every material radiates heat differently, for correct measurement you need to adjust the emissivity settings for each material, or place a piece of matt black sticky tape on each material and measure that instead...

[@z.Sh4ped.Po0Tin]

Urine also contains salt which slows down freezing but if you have a dog you should have already noticed that it does not freeze instantly ;) BTW: I must admit it was pretty crazy to film that Bjørn =] 🤪 About those "warmer" tire tracks my guess would be that surface is less porous (so the packed snow contains less cold air and is more reflective) which might affect FLIR camera readings. 👍

[@martingorbush2944]

19:00. I'm almost sure that car's tracks are a little bit warmer than a surface of undisturbed snow because they are compacted and therefor better transfer heat from ground below.

[@Tonse6]

these sleep in a car videos are the best, please do more with different cars. And the food part is the best part!

[@arjenhoogcarspel4193]

It could be the heat from the ground like mentioned by others. Reflection has a big impact on thermal cameras. Where the snow is compacted it reflects more, so you get false readings. The same goes for the measurements for the window blinds. Try to put a piece of mat tape on the inside next time to get correct measurements. Project Of Science (channel about campervan stuff) made a cool video about window blinds where this is explained.

[@gunnarvandsemb6428]

Snø isolerer, naturen er fantastisk. Under 1 meter tørr snø er det knapt minusgrader. Hjulsporene er sammenklemt snø og isolerer mindre

[@TheTuareg]

My favorite type of video: sleeping in my car!

[@Vitnir3]

Thanks, this is precisely the nerdy content I need.

[@t123a698]

In Hyundai lower-priced fossils, the rear passenger vents will shut if u select Floor-level vent modes, and the AUTO will select Floor-level mode for most of the time if it thinks it’s pulling more air through the hot pipes and less from the A/C for humidity control. Because it has fans only under the dash, rear vents are weak. So, shut some front vents even if u select bidirectional or face-level modes. Maybe they put the same system in older Ionic models.

[@MrVeeBlog]

So quiet up there, it reminds me of that scene from that Stanley Kubrick movie, The Shining. lol. Take care Bjorn.

[@ludwig3528]

Yes, the good old Ioniq.. Mine is from 2016, now 200.000km. I´ve done 2 Norway trips with it (my base camp is in Germany..) and I´ve been charging at the same charger in Folldal several times ;) But - this was in summer with average consumption at 100-120 Wh/km..

[@iamalittlepepper]

Bjorn why don't you test out the Stormberg sleeping bag to see how it fares in -30?

[@LustX]

Always wanted to ask this

[@MikkoPaakkola]

Infrared thermometers and cameras only show correct readings from non-reflective matte black surfaces. You’re getting reflections of sunlight off the snow that is throwing off the temperature readings. Real temperature of the tire tracks is exactly the same as the untouched snow around it. Shiny metal objects can also show reflections of your own body heat when trying to measure with thermal camera.

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

glass and body panels too, need black tape for that

[@Daniel.Trifonov]

Not only. The ground also emits heat to some extent and at -29 it is significant.

[@Kowalski301]

There was no sunlight on the ground. The reason the tracks are warmer is already explained. Compacted snow does not insulate as good as loose snow, so the heat from ground makes them warmer. Even when the ground is frozen, it's still significantly warmer than the air.

[@tomasznowicki1735]

My grandfather, who had the opportunity to experience winters in Russia when temperatures dropped well below -40°C, claimed that the spit falls to the ground as a piece of ice only at approximately -45°C. He didn't mention peeing, but it would probably be at an even lower temperature. I have also heard stories about icy Siberian fog, which hangs in the air like some kind of ice airgel - a person walking in such fog creates a clearly visible corridor behind him. Where the corridor ends, you will find a dead body in the spring. Quite suggestively scary, isn't it? However, at around -30° you can take some hot water outside in a bowl and quickly spray it upwards into the air - it will fall effectively as a cloud of snow or ice particles.

[@RRoberto76]

You're a hero!🙂

[@hhcosminnet]

Will you do this test with a Dacia spring? Why? It's the cheapest ev in Europe. So it would be interesting how the modest EV does it.

[@bjornnyland]

Once it's available.

[@hhcosminnet]

@@bjornnyland looking forward to that. many people in Romania are fearing they may freeze in electric cars, even though we barely get below zero temperatures in most of the country. 😀

[@Borrito12]

Bjørn, you should close the airvents in the front when you camp. Then you'll get all the airflow through the back: more heat in the back.

[@ram64man]

You should ask Marcus if he can do a 38kwh battery swap for the mk1 I would love to see that, I would like to see if it like the leaf can be easily upgraded

[@Flexor81]

Not possible sadly, 38 kwh battery is liquid cooled and 28 kwh is air cooled.

[@ram64man]

@@Flexor81 a shame thanks ill have to look for a 38kw model then, maybe it may have a better life with the liquid cooling

[@stefanjepp6612]

Great job, great car !

[@pigedehekkan]

It appear you use the auto mode for the heating. You should switch to vent for feet+face, then you get the vents in the back working properly instead of heating up the front window...

[@dddaviddd.l]

This is why we love you, legend

[@Chaughan1]

-30C I will cheat a bit ... "Hey man ... don't let the truth get in the way of a good story" THE SUN :-)

[@thomash7573]

For once, this Canadian from Winnipeg doesn’t envy your winter temperatures. It is forecasted to be 7C today!

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

yeah, I too have cold weather, week ago was -25, but now got heatwave 1c which is pretty hot

[@MrUled]

If you close some of the front air vents you will get more flow to the back

[@SciFiFactory]

What a way to end a video... Consider me a fan :)

[@Lukas-hk6ds]

I think ground is warmer than air, so less snow = higher temp.

[@Jaw0lf]

Don't eat the yellow snow!

[@myaccount__7269]

Great video as always. You are def making great content with this old car ! Do you keep it plugged in during the night?!

[@marekkompus6109]

Nice video 👍

[@tobimai4843]

Most cars disable the Heat pump under like -15 or -20C. Due to COP but als due to condenser freezing. De-icing the condenser would take a lot of energy. Also, will the Ioniq just stay in P forever? Some cars like to shut off after a while

[@bjornnyland]

Yes

[@samikoo]

People are complaining that after 3.2 software update MEB cars winter consumption has increased. Have you had a change to test this?

[@josephcullen2512]

Wow the tyre tracks being less cold surprises me but I guess there is some explanation. Was not expecting the urine test hahah but I guess interesting research too

[@Bohdan94Ukr]

Thank you for testing the Ioniq, wonderful value/price car. Would it be possible to test next Dacia Spring? It's one of the cheapest electric vehicles in Europe and it would be interesting to see it's performance.

[@henri4320]

I noticed you didn't use the "camp mode" on the ionic : if you pull the handbrake, all the lights outside will turn off and maybe the radar heater and all the outside thermal sources will be off too. Just a few Watts saved...

[@robochan0970]

The classic Ioniq did not have camp mode

[@wobie6291]

@@robochan0970 This is the Ioniq Classic "Camp Mode": 1. You have to apply the parking brake in order to switch of all lights completely. 2. you can switch of the screensaver in the settings menu to disable the media screen by long pressing the volume button. 3. you have to deactivate ADS (automatic defogging system) by long pressing the „front window defrosting“ button. If not, the ADS will increase air flow to the window while you are dreaming :) 4. you can switch off „heat“ and use A/C instead. So the heat pump will be used only to save energy. 5. you can use the „emergency“ key or something else to unlock the trunk from the inside.

[@henri4320]

Thank you for the details. Are you sure the heat pump will work with -30° outside ?@@wobie6291

[@wobie6291]

@@henri4320 No I do not think so. Never had the chance to try it out like Björn🙂 It's probably too loud at night so I wouldn't use it.

[@zocker1600]

@@wobie6291 question to 4. do you happen to know if this is the case for the hybrid versions of the IONIC as well?

[@petyapyatochkin9630]

19:53 You came here for this.

[@thecrow3461]

Pretty brave to just sleep under a thin fleece blanket lol. Maybe take a well insulated sleeping bag next time with you, that way you can probably get by with a temperature of 15 degrees in the car.

[@doublesdetailer7709]

Bjorn to make a usb powered driver compartment fan to blow to rear in CAMP mode

[@fiehlsport]

The heat comes from under the front seats, not the vents.

[@HanYou2]

If they made the old ioniq with 64kwh battery, i would never need another car

[@fiehlsport]

That would be a legit 300+mi car in the summer.

[@HanYou2]

@@fiehlsport decently equipped and priced too

[@MasterFX2000]

18:50 Emissivity changes with compression/reflectivity of snow?!

[@ikhlaqahmed2720]

We have to go deeper 😂, you are a Legend TB

[@deas1972]

Shieeet. I have same cold feets in Model 3. Double sleepingbags around knees and down solved it

[@broderwow]

Maybe Down Socks or slippers for such occasion? Maybe stormbergs has them ;)

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

He is showing us the future, where we learn to sleep and eat in our cars while they charge.

[@bjornnyland]

But we didn't charge.

[@JHDundrum]

Dumb question perhaps: Could the front passenger seat ne modded/replaced to male a sleeping platform from glove box to boot? Field ambulance conversion?

[@Larsema1]

You cant meassure glossy items like snow, water, shiny metal, glass, etc, with termal camera, because you are also meassuring the radiation thats reflected from other things.

[@carlospor9090]

Why not activate air recycling? Pulling cold air from outside will take more effort to heat...

[@bjornnyland]

Always use auto

[@jangardetun2093]

Hi, Im interested in buying the Ionic. Should I go for the 28 kwh or the 38 kwh? I figured I can try to ask here because I think that Björn has many Ionic owners among his followers.

[@maeguk1]

Björn, when will you test the BYD Seal? I think a lot of people are waiting for that. Would be good to hear your overall thoughts and see your test results

[@bjornnyland]

Once it's available.

[@Ansis99]

Science :) :) :) :) :) !

[@povilaszizliauskas7815]

The link to the thermal camera model please

[@wocket42]

How comfortable would it be to use the heated rear seats for some sleep instead? I guess the middle part would not be heated.

[@bjornnyland]

Very uncomfortable

[@gregoredelmann4526]

Why is “don’t eat the yellow snow” such a common phrase?🥴

[@tbergsk]

Where did you get those window covers?

[@Eric_the_Hiking]

Now is the winter of our piss content.

[@marck.648]

The Pee test nailed it. Next time, poo test.

[@wintersun398]

9:46 would a small usb fan help to circulate/ average out the warm air to to rear of the car?

[@NikoAla-Rantala]

Dont eat yellow snow.

[@tridrean]

❤❤❤

[@swalmen]

Bjorn what was trick to get the ionic in to 'camp mode' I though it turn it self off after 30 minutes from the previous videos about the classic Ionic.

[@bjornnyland]

It doesn't.

[@user-pe9gf3zd2l]

Could u do same with Y sr ?

[@rodolfolapietra]

did you ever tried a 60W heating blanket to keep your feet warm?

[@SuperEgleh]

thats a very bad idea for the 12v battery, that already struggle in this temperature

[@brandywell44]

Is it possible, to run the air conditioning condenser to remove the moisture from the cars interior climate (from your breathing out and possible wet snow on your shoe soles and perhaps clothing) whilst parked up? The temperature differential of the tyre tracks may be because the snow acts as an insulator and therefore its open surface is nearer to ambient temperature. When the snow is compacted it does not insulate so well and therefore allows the heat from the earth to escape more easily, therefore is warmer from that process. Remember that subsoil or sub tundra soil is usually around 18 deg C temperature all year round wherever in the world you are, eg Norway or the African desert the same.

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

it's impossible for ac unit to run in that cold, the liquid thing could freez and condesate will form ice mountain, and I think cold air is super dry, so there is no need for that

[@GustavBilben]

Will there be a part 3 with charging with cold batteries?

[@bjornnyland]

Yes

[@timburke6882]

Would the rear heated seats have worked when folded like heating under where you slept

[@bjornnyland]

No

[@manukahoney3442]

Which thermal imaging camera are you using?

[@bjornnyland]

Flir One

[@karla6999]

Hi Björn, your „this one and this one….“ drives me nuts sometimes. Why not just name „this“? Besides that, big👍in no other channel, peeing has ever been analized😂 Many thanks for your incredible and valuable content!

[@ps5home]

Does this model have a PTC heater or heat pump?

[@bjornnyland]

Both

[@ps5home]

@@bjornnyland Ioniq Trend = PTC heater. Ioniq Style & Premium = heat pump. So?

[@Poebbelmann]

​@@ps5homeCars with heatpumps also have PTC for times when the heatpump is defrosting or not powerful enough. So Bjørn's answer is correct.

[@selcukkucuk]

[@OveToranger]

Finding new ways to use the thermo-cam for "scientific purposes" I see 🤣

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

Minus 29. No human should live where it gets below 10 degrees.

[@swecreations]

I disagree 😊

[@vipvip-tf9rw]

It gets more than -50 in Yakutia

[@californiamicke9527]

👍🙂👍🙂👍

[@Ultravore]

the end of the video was kinda gross

[@charlotteclayman2556]

😂😂

[@tridruankham2657]

❤❤❤