SM64 - Elevate for 8 Red Coins - 0.5x A Presses [OUTDATED]

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• HMC Elevate for 8 Red ...
I collect the star Elevate for 8 Red Coins in Hazy Maze Cave using 0.5 A presses. The A press is to perform AB kicks on the rising elevators in order to maintain the hyper speed while going up.
This video is an improvement from my previous video in which I collected this star in 1 A press. You can find that video here: • SM64 - Elevate for 8 R... . Since then, Tyler Kehne discovered that hyper speed walking could be performed in the underground lake in order to accumulate 1500+ speed [ • [ABC] - Hyperspeed Wal... ]. Additionally, Plush collaborated with Sonicpacker to figure out how to bring hyper speed up an elevator without losing too much of it [ • HMC strat, maybe...? ]. Expanding upon this, I figured out that by relocating the scuttlebug in the rolling rocks room, we could bounce on it to cross the gap back to the beginning area, and from there clip into the red coin room on the other side of the red wall [ • HMC Hyper Speed to Red... ]. And from there, it's it's history!
So how does hyper speed walking work? It involves a steep slope that descends into water. Normally, Mario wouldn't be able to stand on a slope this steep, but the shallow water gives the ground special properties that allows him to do so. Furthermore, if Mario tries to run uphill on this ground, he will end up running backwards at an increasingly fast rate. Usually, this walking can't be used to accumulate all that much speed, because (1) the slope runs out, (2) the slope connects to a wall at angle that isn't 90 degrees and so running backwards into it moves Mario either uphill or downhill, or (3) Mario gains too much speed and can no longer properly follow along the shallow water. Of course, all of this was already known. What wasn't known (and what Tyler discovered) was that the red wall stops Mario from moving while allowing his backwards speed to increase.
If you're wondering about the half A press, read this before commenting to ask why. I use a special notation that allows for half A presses. Specifically, if you enter a level already holding the A button, then that A press only counts as half. It's actually pretty important to distinguish between the A button being PRESSED and the A button being HELD. While pressing A allows Mario to execute several kinds of jumps, the holding of A allows Mario to swim in water, do little kicks up slopes, grab the owl, and twirl slowly. So if a star requires the A button to be held, the pressing of the A button could have been done at some point in the past, and just held until that moment. For instance, let's say there are two stars: one that requires the A button to be pressed (1x A presses), and another that only requires the A button to be held (0.5x A presses). Individually, these stars would both require a full A press. But if these stars were collected one after the other, then the A button could be pressed during the former, and held all the way through to the next star to be used in the latter. In this manner, these stars together would only use 1 A press, whereas they would take 2 A presses if done individually. So during a 120 star run, you would round these half A presses down, but on a star-by-star basis you would round them up.
ABC Playlist: • Super Mario 64 - A But...
ABC Routes: docs.google.com/document/d/1y...

[@Ninetails2000]

I love how in these runs, you always end up doing some seemingly arbitrary thing completely unrelated to the mission at hand for six minutes and it's only in the last five second that Mario actually does what he set out to do and everything before was specifically and meticulously arranged in such a way that Mario can just launch himself into his goals on a magic carpet of contrived coincidence.

[@dmas7749]

I know, it's beautiful and cathartic (a word I feel is overused but DAMN if it doesn't fit this scenario perfectly)

[@echowoods7977]

*glances at scuttlebug*oh boy

[@MayyroMusic]

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[@jlisowe5615]

I Hooed up speed for 12 hours while riding an elevator

[@melo0611]

"best comment" -my friend

[@Trench303]

Lol

[@TheRealBeanJr_official]

I built up speed for 12 hours watching this video

[@acousticpark6881]

Did you stay QPU alligned?

[@GlueGhostSucks]

can you at least try to be clever when you meme?

[@TheRealSiIvaJr]

lol this comment has 12 votes up

[@heave-ho6864]

Current A Press Count for all Main & Secret Courses (Including A Presses Required for Entry): 0 A Presses Required: Bob-Omb Battlefield, Whomp's Fortress, Cool, Cool Mountain, Dire, Dire Docks, Tall, Tall Mountain, Wet-Dry World, Snowman's Land, Tower of the Wing Cap, Cavern of the Metal Cap, Vanish Cap Under the Moat, All Toad Stars, All MIPS Stars, Bowser in the Dark World, Bowser in the Sky 1 A Press Required: Lethal Lava Land, Hazy Maze Cave, Rainbow Ride, Castle Secret Slide, Secret Aquarium, Bowser in the Fire Sea 2 A Presses Required: Shifting Sand Land, Tiny-Huge Island 3 A Presses: Jolly Roger Bay, Big Boo's Haunt, Wing Mario Over the Rainbow 18 A Presses: Tick Tock Clock Total: 37 A Presses

[@madeformario]

update: now 0xA: Big Boo's Haunt, Hazy Maze Cave, Rainbow Ride, secret Aquarium now 2xA: Wing Mario Over the Rainbow now 8xA: Tick Tock Clock total: 24xA (3 A press saves have not been Tas-ed yet, the SA entry and 2 A press saves in TTC, all 3 found by Tyler Kehne)

[@brkmnly]

@@madeformario you did gods work

[@brianpso]

I can't think of anything that can express how happy I am for being able to see the huge flow of new stuff in SM64 lately, so I'll just end it with a smile =D

[@PacoFTW]

I know it's tas and he can just fix it if he falls but I still get anxiety when he pisses around on the edge of the floating platform thing.

[@TheMegaxPlus]

Brandon Larkin I know right?

[@jongyon7192p]

Love these slow down footages, man!! That speedwalking thing is really cutting down on the A presses! How many more A presses do you think it'll save?

[@pannenkoek2012]

DeRockProject & the Attack of the Really Long Channel Name Well it just saved 3 in HMC. Not sure if it will come in handy anywhere else

[@vanderkarl3927]

If only you knew, past pannenkoak. If only you knew...

[@TCAtrevor]

@@vanderkarl3927 "pannenkoak" its only one letter wrong... but it immediately made me think of the name "pannenkroak" for some reason... and now I'm thinking about frogs 🙃

[@Bogi494]

I'm watching some of your old videos and they are awesome

[@hugodl9073]

1:20 Fouseytube when someone asks him about Leafy

[@pawgchampion9189]

Hugo de Lange lmao

[@kingcrimson4504]

the best part of your video is all those beautiful mairo sounds it makes

[@renakunisaki]

Were the sweeping crouch kicks manipulating something or just for swag? I'm starting to wonder what a "hold A the entire time the game is on" run might look like.

[@acousticpark6881]

A "Hold A the Entire Time the Game Is On" run would be impossible at the time

[@renakunisaki]

GogupTheTaco why?

[@acousticpark6881]

Rena Kunisaki You would have to release it to press it again

[@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932]

To beat the game, you need an initial A press at BitFS. To 120-star it, you need many other initial A presses. I think the count is down to about 30, not sure, and that's using strategies that are only possible with TAS. Also, some of the strategies might only work on emulator and virtual console, but I'm not certain about that.

[@notmo.]

GogupTheTaco you could simply release the a button by pause buffering right before a new a press in the run and then hold it again. simply repeat that every single a press and voila. you're not always holding the a button without counting it as a a press for itself

[@ikari570]

it's interesting how you can see Mario's low poly version in the slowed down version

[@RarefoilB]

I'm kinda disappointed this doesn't give me a massive shortcut through this mission. ...Because I'd rather tirelessly master any of the amazing shit you've done than go through this mission again after my last experience with it.

[@ocarinaofmasks2241]

Stunning.

[@the0mini0prutt]

You never fail to impress me with these, Did you need to hold a to kickup the elevator or did you hold säa for another reason?

[@l9m241]

MuddyGaming Hey mainly did this so that the Negative speed would decrement by 1 slowly while on the elevator instead of decrementing by 2-4 insanely quickly.

[@chocoladereep3293]

Im doing things kinda similar in super mario 3d land for the 3ds. Im doing runs without JUMPING (a big difference of an A press) and I set up my own rules for it. Wall jumps count as 0 jumps, long jumps/rolling long jumps count as 0.5 jumps, a regular jump and everything that gets you higher than a regular jump counts as 1 jump. The only succesful level I pulled of is 1-1. But 1-3 is really easy so that one can maybe go in the future, but the boss levels are the most fun to mess around with

[@acousticpark6881]

I should do the same thing for SM3DW

[@bobthegiraffemonkey]

Almost at the point where 50% of the remaining A presses are for TTC. Will it reach 50%? Or will the next improvement be in TTC? I'm more interested to find out than I probably should be! One thing is certain: TTC sucks for ABC.

[@pannenkoek2012]

bobthegiraffemonkey If you want to help with TTC, you can go investigate this TTC upwarp glitch: www.twitch.tv/dota_teabag/c/2975430

[@bobthegiraffemonkey]

pannenkoek2012 I'd love to, but I'm a noob. I tried TASing once and I sucked, no idea how to RAM watch or that kind of thing, and I don't the time right now to learn all that stuff. Cool glitch though, looks promising.

[@goombaheart9303]

bobthegiraffemonkey Yeah, I'm trying to learn, and RAM Watch is causing me problems, even following stuff on TASvideos and looking at walkthroughs. Never the less I've done a couple shitty TASes (didn't upload the second). I'm gonna get it eventually though. I hope.

[@goombaheart9303]

pannenkoek2012 Anyone managed to replicate it? Is there more footage? It may have been setup somehow, a bit like HOLPs. EDIT: I've watched it a billion times, just to notice the warp happens on landing and it looks like he touches the edge after the kick. LOL, I'm not good a this.

[@pannenkoek2012]

We've downloaded and tried to replicate it very closely using TAS, but so far we have not been able to replicate it.

[@FabbrizioPlays]

The almost-falls in this make me incredibly uncomfortable.

[@FabbrizioPlays]

***** I'm perfectly aware of that. I just mean that it's unsettling.

[@dmas7749]

Fall damage?

[@L7vanmatre]

What he means is, is the "OH NO THE PLAYER FELL DOWN" sort of reaction. At least, that's with me, heh.

[@CeeSZee]

Making progress!

[@PewnyPL]

And just 3 months later it became obsolete due to Pannen becoming the "Scuttlebug whisperer".

[@MyNameIsntRyan]

"An A press is an A press. You can't say it's only a half." - TJ "Henry" Yoshi

[@TylerKehne]

yooooooo nice work

[@vissova]

In this video, Mario becomes an owl took too much caffeine.

[@BoToChris]

I'm surprised you haven't improved this one yet.

[@aTastyT0ast]

Cool stuff, also you linked the wrong outdated video

[@pannenkoek2012]

Steasy Style whoops. thanks for the heads up!

[@Cirphlyx]

yay you did it!

[@Doveh]

*Elevator kicking intensifies*

[@joshuanapier4632]

I wish there was a way to see all the buttons being pushed

[@CocoaMix86]

Are there any other worlds where hyperspeed is achievable that could save an A press? Also, could you overlay something on a future video that shows the button presses? That would cool to see

[@pannenkoek2012]

CocoaMix86 If you find me a plugin for that, I might

[@QwertyuiopThePie]

Why, I wasn't expecting to see you of all people here, CocoaMix.

[@CocoaMix86]

QwertyuiopThePie why hello there!

[@DiligenceOfSurprise]

1. How do you do the tumbles? 2. I want to know how you glitch up slopes. I've seen you do it on things like Freeflying for 8 Red Coins 0x A Presses.

[@DiligenceOfSurprise]

+B Miller 3. Around 1:15, you were really glitching out. How?

[@pannenkoek2012]

1. The tumble? You mean when I do the little roll after diving? I just press B to do that. 2. Glitching up slopes, I think you're referring to frame walking. Basically, press forward for a frame,, don't press forward for a frame, then repeat.

[@pannenkoek2012]

At 1:15, I had a ton of backwards speed, so I couldn't go uphill directly. I could only move in a diagonal fashion.

[@DiligenceOfSurprise]

Didn't expect such a quick reply; thanks! I've tried completing game with 16 stars multiple times but failed c;

[@NoahGreen]

Is there anything you could do that would require letting go of the A button? For example, mario has a bit more power when the A button is held, but is there any limitations when doing so?

[@natnew32]

Noah Green Yes, but they weren't seen here.

[@pannenkoek2012]

Noah Green From the ABC doc: "Strategies that require the A button to not be held include the need to punch, to pick up heavy objects (i.e. chuckya, King Bob-omb), and to clone."

[@Zemuzu22]

How is Pannenkoek so awesome? Let us count the ways...

[@MustardPipeLibrary]

Vincent ZM I count infinity-minus-37 right now.

[@goombaheart9303]

Would it not be faster to slide further at the start, so you're knocked less far back? Or is that the furthest for that to work?

[@1ted59]

AFAIK the time length for the bonking animation is always the same unless it's cancelled by something happening to Mario (eg. falling off if a ledge, getting hit etc). The way he bonks seems to be optimised to get the closest to the door while in the animation.

[@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932]

Was there any particular point to letting the scuttlebug hit you in the beginning, or were you just messing around while waiting for something? If the latter, what were you waiting for?

[@99sonder]

When you leave the room where a scuttlebug is in, it spawns at its designated spawn-point, but you can change the spawn-point of a scuttlebug by getting hit by it (the render radius also updates with the spawn-point).

[@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932]

99sonder But he didn't use the scuttle bug later.

[@99sonder]

Nmotsch idontwannagivemyrealname I think he bounced off it, when he went through the room in hyperspeed.

[@Misterspork57]

Nmotsch idontwannagivemyrealname Watch the slowed down part at the end closely

[@185TNTsChannel]

after every course has a "0 a presses" record wuld you make a run consisting of every course there is?

[@Kennedy640]

An A press is an A press. You can't say it's only a half.

[@Icesan4096]

A half an A press is when you started the course holding A.

[@Kennedy640]

UltimateMemeMaster21 wow. thanks for the response.

[@Icesan4096]

Kennedy640 No problem!

[@Kennedy640]

UltimateMemeMaster21 I don't mean to sound depressing, or naive, but have you seen his commentated Watch for Rolling rock thing?

[@Icesan4096]

yes

[@FalyHero]

Is there a limit to the "M" power? If high enough it could maybe get rid of the 0,5A press?

[@AmaranthRBY]

***** I'm no expert but I think the answer to the second question is no, because all of the "M power" drops when Mario gets on the elevator, and you need that .5 press to maintain speed.

[@pannenkoek2012]

***** If you don't do the AB kicks in the elevator, it will simply rise up through Mario without taking him with it.

[@FalyHero]

pannenkoek2012 Thank you for the explanation guys :)

[@TylerKehne]

***** The M just means the speed is negative. There's no negative sign the game can print so it uses the letter M instead.

[@NihilistSolitude]

I think I just seen Mario posses by the devil.

[@SirWinnigton]

so are all your videos TAS, or some I see you put "this was TAS" sometimes.

[@smoceany9478]

all me

[@jayemerald99]

An a press is an a press. you can't say its only a half an a press.

[@KasranFox]

Ha-ha! Hoo-hoo! This-a world is broken, and only I can-a harness its true power!

[@leonardofernandez4864]

Wait, of what star are talking about?

[@thenuzgu2719]

Are these tool-assested?

[@MattCrafter]

yes

[@Selicre]

So.. is the 0 A presses run actually possible, is there a place where pressing A is definitely required and no glitch is going to change that?

[@notchmath9642]

Hyperpony There are problably glitches that A press is needed for, however, if one is discovered that can change that by making a different result.

[@WLord1310]

Hyperpony There is still a place where pressing A is required, and after 1 year it's still a mystery how to cancel it. And it's in Bowser in the Fire Sea.

[@notchmath9642]

yeah....

[@zreety]

Hyperpony Since a certain amount of A presses were cut using half A presses, and since you need to have A unpressed for certain actions, you'll always need some A presses for the current 120 star techniques.

[@AmaranthRBY]

Hyperpony For 120 stars yeah, it's very hard that 0 A presses is possible, given that all of these x0.5 A presses are actually one press on another level. For 70 stars maybe, there's only one press (in Bowser in the Fire Sea) that we can't quite find out how to cancel.

[@zarapaaaa]

el glich es por que el juego confunde plataformas y te llevo hay

[@jair-fn2oq]

wtf was that at the end

[@prodLUDO]

pannenkoek2012 pls do a speedrun of this game with glitches like the speed thingy

[@CiaphasKirby]

+Ludo Clement Hyperspeed walking wouldn't ever actually save time because of how long it takes to build up speed.

[@jongyon7192p]

+Hypothermia Super Mario 64 "Hyper Speed Walking%" speedrun category amirite

[@westomopresto]

+Ludo Clement upwards of 12 hours per star, yeah no thanks haha

[@jongyon7192p]

SM64 "120 Stars" 1500 hour speedrun, tbh.

[@BruskAwat]

What is this sorcery

[@kencover2040]

Whats half a A press.

[@pannenkoek2012]

"If you're wondering about the half A press, read this before commenting to ask why. I use a special notation that allows for half A presses. Specifically, if you enter a level already holding the A button, then that A press only counts as half. It's actually pretty important to distinguish between the A button being PRESSED and the A button being HELD. While pressing A allows Mario to execute several kinds of jumps, the holding of A allows Mario to swim in water, do little kicks up slopes, grab the owl, and twirl slowly. So if a star requires the A button to be held, the pressing of the A button could have been done at some point in the past, and just held until that moment. For instance, let's say there are two stars: one that requires the A button to be pressed (1x A presses), and another that only requires the A button to be held (0.5x A presses). Individually, these stars would both require a full A press. But if these stars were collected one after the other, then the A button could be pressed during the former, and held all the way through to the next star to be used in the latter. In this manner, these stars together would only use 1 A press, whereas they would take 2 A presses if done individually. So during a 120 star run, you would round these half A presses down, but on a star-by-star basis you would round them up."

[@kencover2040]

Ohh, ok I get it. Thanks I want expecting you of all people to respond.

[@xenosonic9x414]

+Kinetic And TJ "Henry" Yoshi knows what they are now too!

[@SkicoNow]

Can we do this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIGUaaOIq9ihgMk in the N64 version to save the A press?

[@potatoonastick2239]

No

[@SkicoNow]

Ohhh, that's a shame.

[@JJAB91]

Nope, SM64 and SM64DS have different engines.

[@circuit10]

That's B presses.

[@KTSpeedruns]

I don't get how this counts as half of an A press.

[@pannenkoek2012]

Reiden Lightman From the description: "If you're wondering about the half A press, read this before commenting to ask why. I use a special notation that allows for half A presses. Specifically, if you enter a level already holding the A button, then that A press only counts as half. It's actually pretty important to distinguish between the A button being PRESSED and the A button being HELD. While pressing A allows Mario to execute several kinds of jumps, the holding of A allows Mario to swim in water, do little kicks up slopes, grab the owl, and twirl slowly. So if a star requires the A button to be held, the pressing of the A button could have been done at some point in the past, and just held until that moment. For instance, let's say there are two stars: one that requires the A button to be pressed (1x A presses), and another that only requires the A button to be held (0.5x A presses). Individually, these stars would both require a full A press. But if these stars were collected one after the other, then the A button could be pressed during the former, and held all the way through to the next star to be used in the latter. In this manner, these stars together would only use 1 A press, whereas they would take 2 A presses if done individually. So during a 120 star run, you would round these half A presses down, but on a star-by-star basis you would round them up."

[@iwersonsch5131]

Back in the day, when you only had to mention one thing to get Pannen's attention...

[@notchmath9642]

how many A press left?

[@pannenkoek2012]

NotchMath 37

[@notchmath9642]

36 by my count?

[@pannenkoek2012]

maybe you should count again

[@notchmath9642]

Ah, ok, I counted 26 unique. 37 total. Also, weird misalignment in PSS, at the end of the slide at that diagonal wall. Dunno if could be used?

[@pannenkoek2012]

I'm not sure what wall you're talking about. You'll have to elaborate.

[@parasitecat3892]

but first let me talk about parallel universes

[@axylorionfredrick]

Does 0.5 + 0.5 A presses equal 1 A press?

[@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932]

Not always, since A can be held from one level to the next.

[@Mark-xk3hh]

An A press is an A press, you can't say it's only a half.

[@a1diamond92]

0.5 a presses means its only the holding of the a button not pressing it so its half an a press not a whole a press read the description

[@emetselchsbfsgf]

would you think that if you could hold the A button for three levels in a row, that each level has 0.25x A presses?

[@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932]

Rakonda No. The term "0.5 A Presses" refers to when you look at the level in isolation. In a full run, it would be no added A presses for that course.

[@heroftime1017]

:o

[@toasty8120]

half an a press is still an a press.

[@villagecommenter8262]

an a press is an a press, you can't say it's a half

[@smoceany9478]

ok

[@sxanl0l246]

Lmao

[@fofolp1213]

First

[@PolarisStarSystem]

Not even close!

[@acousticpark6881]

You're actually quite far, 4 comments came before.

[@Billyblue98]

So... I read the description... I believe I get what you're trying to say, but... no. Your reason behind the notation makes sense, but the notation itself is completely and utterly void because it makes no fucking sense no matter what argument anyone makes. If you're holding the A button from a previous level, or just the hub, sure. That's all fine. But that is not a half A press in *_any_* sense.

[@Goofzillers]

+Dark Storm It is from just the hub or beforehand. Technically he did not press A during this level. It was already held down. If you have not seen his most recent, ever-so-popular "0.5 A Press" video, he explains it near the beginning in a clearer way. In fact, take a look at the description again. There are 2 stars. He needs to press A once for one of the stars. He can get the second star from what he considers "half" a press, AKA if he's already holding the A button. So if he presses A to collect the first star, but never lets go of A and collects the second star, how many times did he press A? It certainly wasn't 2 times.

[@Billyblue98]

***** *This user is staring at your comment wondering why you're arguing a point they have already covered without adding any new information*

[@Billyblue98]

I'm probably just being an ass with that reply, but I thought I was being pretty clear with my original comment.

[@ClashMech]

+Dark Storm It makes sense if you actually watch the video where he explains it--AKA, the video I linked. It covers every point you've described.

[@Billyblue98]

Yeah. That explanation had nothing new.