SMASH ULTIMATE IS BROKEN (Reaction)

[@stixsis4656]

One of the things that pisses me off most about the echoes is that early in Ultimate's life they found that Peach and Daisy did have differences between each other through their Turnips and Nintendo PATCHED IT OUT. Like what the fuck?

[@hasbluu]

They patched Diasy knockback scaling?I don't even play the character and I know that's messed.

[@ngotemna8875]

Their idle-animations are a bit different making it a bit harder for some moves to hit daisy...

[@KojoBailey]

@@ABC-ik9vj ikr she should’ve just replaced Peach 🤦‍♂️

[@Oceanfreak6]

Daisy could have been a more ground based character. Woulda been awesome 😭

[@MrGameguyC]

Yeah. Honestly, it won't have taken much work to change them up and its major shame to then didn't bother in a later patch.

[@theboi5584]

I love how he’s purposely waiting to do “Melee is Broken 1&2” last lol.

[@thepikachugamer]

same

[@wolfdragox5563]

“Hey! Thats my line”

[@cyclone6976]

True

[@epicsause21]

Because melee is not broken as melee is the perfect video game

[@wolfdragox5563]

@@epicsause21 that was a good one 😂

[@jointhetorterra]

Back in 1.0 Ultimate, King Dedede's F-smash used to hit shields TWICE. This meant a singlular, uncharged fsmash could instantly destroy your shield with no effort. They shadow nerfed this though without ever mentioning it.

[@meta1429]

3:35 "They literally had to nerf computers." And then after Kazuya decided to revert it back to normal, with him being the most bullshit of the bunch.

[@tristancaplette2556]

bot kazuya casually do a 0 to death on you

[@juniperrodley9843]

What can I say, the CPU found its main

[@meta1429]

@@juniperrodley9843 And then proceeds to raid an entire tourney because of it.

[@qlasalle]

I never have an issue with Bot Kazuya he hasn't turned up on me yet

[@wolfodonnell7890]

I honestly would've been happier if the computers weren't patched. Kazuya is not that difficult guys. I even destroyed him with my Little Mac. And I'm trash as Little Mac.

[@SonicTheCutehog]

He should make a new one since balance adjustments and DLC are done.

[@aab1254]

He commented on another reaction video (Marss, I think) and apparently he’s making a Part 3, it’s just taking some time

[@samifranco5541]

DLC fighters are super broken some of the damage they can do whit one opening is insane

[@harryn9351]

He should not make a new one. Have someone new and more motivated to work on the game make it. I’m tired of reading Sakurai’s complaints on being forced to make the game.

[@SonicTheCutehog]

@@harryn9351 I meant Heeew

[@someoneontheinternet4518]

​@@harryn9351 reading comprehension moment

[@RedFlashdrive]

One of the few achievements I'm proud of is unlocking all the characters before they got patched.

[@peluquin98]

I think the term echoes was added so people would stop complaining about "clones" And it worked Last time i heard loud noises about that was back then in sm4sh each time a reveal was shown. Dark samus is more than just a dark version of her she is the metroid prime with a phazon suit, she has powered up variant of the power beam with phazon that also works as a scattergun a phazon shield an explosive boost and never uses the morph ball. She was added for a quick fanservice just like daisy.

[@YEs69th420]

You can really tell which franchises Sakurai likes and doesn't like. Zelda hasnt had a new character since Melee, with half its roster being clones. Donkey Kong gets a new character every two games. None of the Metroid characters feel particularly faithful either, Samus has a super uninspired moveset and Dark Samus is a clone for no reason; the assist trophy in 4 had a better moveset! DK and Metroid only got new characters in Ultimate because fan demand was suuuper high. Kirby largely has only content from the games Sakurai made. Contrast this to Fire Emblem. 2 of smash 4's 7 DLC fighters were FE, on top of 2 FE newcomers in the base game. One of them was from a game that wasn't even out yet, Corrin was a completely new name to the west! Chrom wasn't added because he'd be too similar to Marth, but then he adds Lucina anyway which is why we're in this echo mess to begin with; and then he adds Chrom in the next game anyway. And then we get *another* DLC character.

[@notalive5479]

7:24 So, there weren't any that would outright crash the game, but there WAS one that could stop the game. Shadow the Hedgehog. Normally, when Shadow spawns he slows down time for everyone but the one who freed him. However, if Shadow is stacked enough times, he will completely *STOP* time. The user will not be stopped and will continue to spawn Shadow's indefinitely, until the game itself stops, presumably because of an error.

[@MaiOhMai255]

I remember actually when the game first came out my mom got me a pro strategy guide with all the frame data and Info for version one. it's always weird seeing old source info for a game that gets patched be completely different

[@Pioxys]

I actually loved it when unlocking CPU’s were extra hard. Not only it was funny, but it felt like I had to earn the right to play as them. Times it was like Sakurai said “This is secretly Lv. Dark Souls”

[@Mmmeeee4]

it made even more special if you knew top players got beaten by a character you have unlocked.

[@alexvisan5034]

I don’t know why people wanted Chrom’s up b to be nerfed, but don’t mind Ike’s up b, being the same. And with Ike’s nair, he can just do a suicide kill with nair into up b, and if you don’t airdodge or counter it fast enough, you Die. And Ike dies second everytime.

[@joehsjsjjsisjsbwjs1153]

Really wasn't though chroms up b would kill first and chrom can carry you from mid stage to the edge while ike's is strictly at ledge

[@basgbee9588]

Fun Fact! the only difference in peach and daisy is that peach's down b does more knockback while daisy's does more base damage.

[@AniMariBro]

No, that's how it was at first. They've since patched it so that theyr are now exactly the same

[@Conellu]

@@AniMariBro still can't believe they did that to Daisy

[@octavian6648]

Nah they patched that out pretty early

[@wolfdragox5563]

@@AniMariBro it blows my mind how instead of make Daisy more unique they decided to take out the only difference Daisy and Peach had in a patch, like...Why?!

[@octavian6648]

Daisy had smash 4s turnip mechanics. They just patched it out

[@wolfdragox5563]

Alternative (and more accurate) title: Smash Ultimate *was* broken A lot of stuff in the “Ultimate is broken” videos got pretty outdated

[@A_VorteX]

I have a better one: Early Smash Ultimate was broken I would've said pre-patch Smash Ultimate (cause it really was broken) but this vid is not about that lol

[@kestrel7493]

Well, ultimate is broken. The videos have outdated things but now there's just new Broken stuff. Consider how no dlc characters at all appeared in these videos

[@BlackStarBigWave]

It is broken still

[@brain_tonic]

@@kestrel7493 Define broken. There are some pretty excellent moves still in the game but none of them feel broken to me. Luigi combos are hard, Peach combos are hard, Icies combos are hard, all the infinites that don't require TAS have been removed, insane kill moves like Rob and Roy side B are fine since anyone can edgeguard Roy, and anyone can make a combo video with Rob as the victim. Ultimate is not broken.

[@DarkworldLP]

@@brain_tonic What about dlc? They are so easy to play and much better than the rest (usually - excluding Banjo & co.)

[@10cesc4.]

Melee is way more jank than any other game. Can’t wait for it

[@guestb8389]

HBox: "Is there a part 3?" Heeew Fans: _"How do we tell him...?"_

[@williamliao4829]

what happened?

[@HollowPass]

Someone else released it

[@futureshadowj3437]

Wish Heewee came back to make some more

[@kiguy5284]

He was so funny

[@andrewallstar2719]

Yeah I think he just graduated from college actually. Hopefully he’ll make some more videos. He’s done one for every smash game but maybe he can do a final ultimate one since there’s no more patches

[@oliverorchard6774]

@@andrewallstar2719 Covering 3 years worth of patches though will be tough. He would need to probably make a 2020 and 2021 addition, something like that.

[@ice5615]

i heard he's doing a 3rd one

[@Not_Aaron_]

I think the reason they didn't do patch notes for the first one was because it was like near day one and the changes that the community found were like slight animation changes I think they were planning to do patch notes either way

[@squeebosh8525]

8:48 I agree. I knew that the infinite Assist Trophy glitch was getting patched so I made sure to try all of them possible with my friend. Also I only know of one item glitch that still exists and hasn't been removed. It's a glitch related to Pyra & Mythra Ditto and Vulpix.

[@anonymousnate678]

I kind of see Ice Climbers in a similar way to Sheik or Meta Knight. The character can do a lot of crazy things if you put in the time and practice but why bother when you can play 30 other characters that don't take nearly as much consistency and get similar results.

[@theburninginfinite129]

Style points

[@tonnenpanda]

To become a Gigachad

[@goldy9428]

Mk main here, i play him because i love Kirby games

[@wolfdragox5563]

@@goldy9428 then i guess you have DDD and Kirby as secondaries too

[@gabrielmoravargas4728]

That's why it's good to have secondaries

[@tynorthcutt6586]

Inkling roller is it’s ONLY kill option lol

[@EnergyBurst2]

If I recall right the only difference people could find between Peach and Daisy in the early days was something about their Turnips that made each of theirs better in certain scenarios something with knockback angles if I remember right, but shortly after this was found out it was changed and afterwards if I recall Peach's were just outright better in almost every way which was sad cause I liked Daisy's Aesthetic better myself.

[@Robbie_Haruna]

It's funny looking back on some of this first one in particular because some of the stuff ended up being super off base because the game was still so new lol.

[@CaptainFalcon333]

5:47 Remember Ninkendo? I forgot about him for a while and then managed to remember him, checked out what's new on his channel, and uhhh... nothing.

[@Shmicah1235]

Luigi zero to death may not have been removed, but it got nerfed so that it's way more difficult to pull off

[@brain_tonic]

When Nintendo tells you you can keep your BS but you have to get gud. 😅

[@cesarmarroquin9930]

18:25 Yyyyeahhhh idk about that For both players. I verse Spamus, Spamonts, Links and they seem cool with it 😭

[@Nerezza8644]

Fun Fact: Tested multiple times. If two heroes have bounce, and one uses fully charged up-b, it will do instant 300+ damage and kill automatically

[@arod7113]

Idk if yall remember but burying used to be way stronger they nerfed all burying moves really fast

[@killercore007]

Actually, they made it even worse in a way, as trying to mash out at 120+ required what I call “damage risk” levels of mashing.

[@ExaltedUriel]

In addition to ink increasing damage, it's why Inkling was so much of a menace on launch. You get buried with the roller and that's a free kill

[@Meracog]

I miss when Greninja could bounce off platforms with down air.

[@Vulgun]

In celebration of the day Hungrybox met his match vs the Crab... 🦀🦀🦀

[@jushthehermit]

My friends hate when I pick Ice Climbers, because I literally mash the controller to get them to de-sync and it just works. One time, I got Popo to charge forward smash on the stage while Nana charged forward smash on the platform, making a nice little trap, and it was completely unintentional.

[@4137Swords]

Ah yes, back in the day when we thought K Rool and the Belmonts were OP. Almost nothing has changed about them, heck they've been buffed since then, and everyone thinks they suck now.

[@brain_tonic]

Yeah K Rool has received an incredible amount of buffs (3rd most buffed after Rosa and Mewtwo) and he's still like mid tier at best.

[@Orbitz2x]

remember when samsora tried arguing that peach and daisy are basically two different fighters while lucas and ness are the same thing?

[@themystghost1142]

K Rool Down throw actually is an infinate if your used to your opponents mashing, just d-throw, jab (depends on character size while grounded), regrab into pummel 4 times, specifically 4+, D throw and repeat, then just D-smash since that got buffed.

[@themystghost1142]

I usually do this when my opponent is at 60+ at center stage.

[@orionparsons7631]

Its so sad that pichu got nerfed so hard he has literally never been good in any smash game except 1.0 ult

[@gigiobigio0002]

"Double belmonts are unbetable, spamming projectiles has no penalties" Link nair

[@registered_idiot]

*What if Kazuya had a challenger approaching before the nerf?*

[@nyquillusdillwad9119]

When Kazuya first came out, I could not beat him with any of my mains. I mirror matched him and beat him first try. Granted I was a little bit spammy with his laser for one of the kills, but still I don't know how I beat him with a character I had never used before.

[@juniperrodley9843]

@@nyquillusdillwad9119 Perhaps you're talented with Kazuya, or maybe the CPU just didn't adapt well. CPUs have trouble with some things humans would deal with fine, so they'll occasionally fall prey to opponents far below their level.

[@CrimsonStrider]

I love how we used to hate K Rools belly armor. Now we have Kazuya. And all his super armor/invincibility/disjoint jank is the absolute worse in the game, especially in certain matchups.

[@ngotemna8875]

I honestly don't understand what the developers thought here. The armor I can understand, but all the invincibilities on top of it is overkill. Plus he has a move that pushes your out of shield. What? Which doesn't matter because he can also just break it. Kazuya feels like a child who hates losing developed this character "And then he can shoot lazers from his eyes! And he can fly! And he can shoot rockets!"

[@lotsofpotats]

As far as I know, inkling's ink damage was never nerfed or changed

[@supercel55]

And inkling is still unfortunately garbage

[@ngotemna8875]

@Uchechi Godwin-Offor must be rough *laughs in Captain Falcon main

[@elitecombine5373]

@@ngotemna8875 and Captain Falcon is still not too tier or that good in general. He is alright, mid of high tier

[@ngotemna8875]

@@elitecombine5373 And that changes the fact he got way more buffs than inkling.... how?

[@brain_tonic]

@Uchechi Godwin-Offor They buffed: Splat bomb damage, nair links, refill endlag, f tilt damage, up tilt scoop, splattershot range, f smash sweet spot. Sure that's like on the lower end compared to some other characters, and I also feel that Inkling is not strong in the meta... but they're perfectly OK. What I would have liked is for Inkling to get another kill move, maybe if Bair had some decent knockback scaling it would go a long way for the character IMO.

[@Marc-fs9cz]

I can proudly say I unlocked all the characters before the A.I patch the day ultimate came out

[@bobthelonghairedboi5425]

When my friend plays incineroar I bait him into using his counter and right as he uses a smash attack, thinking he has the upper hand I counter his smash attack with sora, instakilling him lol

[@PomadaGaming]

9:00 oh next version reaction too?? Nice

[@Nuke-4791]

I remember that I unlocked all the fighters BEFORE they were nerfed

[@pokegamer2293]

The video creator needs to make an update for the most recent version

[@stopanimatecreep3400]

Have you heard of Steve?

[@williamko2128]

If I’m not mistaken, the only difference between Peach and Daisy are their hurtboxes. Peach is taller and slimmer while Daisy is shorter and fatter.

[@Vopilu]

I’m awaiting Melee is Broken, because it is very broken. Fight me.

[@L-Main]

Challengers approaching were probably just level 9 cpus. People were just worse back then

[@cadetsparklez3300]

forgot that there was an exploit where leffen could get someone banned for no reason

[@DavionLane]

?

[@cowmemes1]

this video talking about how smash ultimate is balanced aged poorly. now we got Steve, Kazuya, Pyra/Mythra, Min Min, and Sonic

[@acidd4681]

If only they had a level 10 CPU with the pre-patch level 9 CPUs

[@Tiquono]

Daisy dies 1% earlier to Inkling up throw up air 🤓

[@LovelyNayru]

10:30 I would LOVE to see Hbox pick up Peach/Daisy. When??

[@riito8913]

tbf, daisy and peach had different turnip knockback but as soon as people found out nintendo decided to remove it

[@electrolyteblend]

What would you do if I told you I was the one who threw the crab. But I threw, not to hurt you, but to show my love for you and to feed you, because I knew you were the hungriest box, and I knew you had earned it

[@mepose420]

So your telling me that a game from 2018 has a item glitch that spawns over 30+ Rathelos's and won't make the game crash but a N64 game from 2001 can make the Switch crash whenever you get a game over in battle and can possibly erase your save data

[@Phun-Bun]

Name a single Smash game that's actually balanced (Other than Ultimate) Also that G&W one was funny as hell

[@brain_tonic]

Ultimate Edit: This man really edited his comment after I responded.

[@wolfdragox5563]

Melee players: Melee Edit: Me: Smash 64

[@Phun-Bun]

@@brain_tonic yep 🤣

[@KjBootz]

Only real ones know how difficult those CPU’s were at the beginning of Ultimate

[@jmurray1110]

Yeah the link up B was popular early on for mii swirdfighter but due to its kind of shorty recovery most miis switched to the octoslash recovery that is more versitial and while worse for killing with gale strike could better account for escape options or just have you combo into up air since that’s also pretty good

[@RhythmKing8641]

I miss pichu :( You can give him bigger hit box nerf and ftilt but if only we can revert self %

[@stenmiailhe-helin427]

When I see today's Little mac, I am happy that we have patchs

[@Fusiongamer777]

Changed the computers from playing like real people to now just reading inputs and picking the faster option at high levels. While it's nice to practice getting reads and true combos, it's incredibly fucking annoying when computers always perfect airdodge an attack that will hit them, but don't airdodge an attack that won't hit them or when you do an empty jump. They're more tilting than challenging now IMO. Bring back the old computers.

[@PomadaGaming]

7:17 oh man this was the shit

[@sethlangston181]

I missed launch version Lvl 9 CPUs. It was like a baptism through fire to condition me to play SSBU.

[@mattchew062307]

“AI plays like real people.” So are you saying CPU lvl. 10 or saying that you’re joking and they’re a level 6?

[@BenBePlayin333]

Hey @Hungrybox I just wanna say, after everything you've been through with the toxic community that smash can sometimes be, you've shown nothing but perseverance. I have nothing but respect and love for you & your content. Keep being amazing man.

[@xKryptonik]

IMHO witrh your skill with floaties and Puff Peach/Daisy might be incredible for your roster I 1000000% agree

[@Nekotario]

where's the melee is broken 1&2? 🤨

[@funx24X7]

One of the issues with balancing everyone is that they all feel a little less unique. Sometimes being broken gives a character, well, _character._ Like how oddjob in goldeneye had his sheisty ass height advantage but picking him meant drawing the ire of your friends. Clearly the solution is to give everyone one busted mechanic.

[@technicolormischief-maker5683]

It’s a result of how streamlined the design has become since Smash 4. It works, but does take a lot of personality out of individual characters. Rivals of Aether is an interesting alternative; all the characters in that game are super unique, but are also very balanced across the roster. Characters are also generally at a higher power level than in Smash Ultimate. Maybe give that game a shot?

[@aleckermit]

I remember struggling to unlock characters when the AI was too good haha

[@sonicloud7774]

I didn't struggle at all, all I lost in a row to a computer was only like 2 or 3 times. I helped a friend get all her characters in Smash Ultimate quickly and she introduced me to a small smash ultimate local where I done surprisingly well, I even gotten first a few times.

[@Freyalise50]

as a mac player, i have to disagree with the vid saying mac forces campy play. you can whiff punish mac really hard, but you have to be familiar with the match up. you have to shield and punish smashes.

[@yuvibitter]

Low key would love to see you try maining peach seriously

[@shaunjackson6293]

And no good yoshi buffs came crazy it feels like yoshi stayed the same was forced to deal with bull🤦🏾‍♂️

[@keyboundDragon]

First month of release I try to fight lvl 9 Diddy and it was exactly like fighting a Diddy main

[@box_combo8529]

the progressive knock back of the turnip of peach and daisy is the only difference, daisy does more at lower percents (barley) and peace does more at higher percents. with stitchface peach does more anyway.

[@cherrylk4188]

2:05 NOT TRUE But it might as well be. It's been PROVEN that Peach and Daisy have different knockback on their turnips. Besides that, the visual differences in their animations change their hurtboxes very slightly

[@wolfdragox5563]

The knock back got patched and now it’s the same, so only differences are in hit boxes and nothing else now

[@magk2524]

the turnip thing got patched like 2 years ago lol

[@im_skrunkly]

As a Ken main, as good as his combos are, they are hella hard to pull off.

[@halutena736]

as a non-ken player but not shit at the game player, they're not as hard as most 0-deaths, they just need a bit of time practicing

[@nakisan248]

Oh no! Our Smash game! It's broken!

[@squoosh8285]

I wonder if the what makes it special in the description is a reference to how the Japanese title screen says dairantou smash brothers special

[@ShadamAran]

I unlocked every character in the game before npcs got nerfed. I was so disappointed they made that decision. I really enjoyed the challenge lvl 9s posed.

[@zelz3011]

Were Level 9 CPU's in general nerfed because if so that kind of makes me mad they should have done it smarter.

[@ShadamAran]

@@zelz3011 yeah across the board. they were doin some wild stuff and i miss it

[@UnfairSsbm]

12:33 is a word that describes me

[@inkdragoon4547]

Daisy has a *SLIGHTLY* different hitbox due to having a different idle animation. But, the difference is so *MINISCULE* it might as well not exist.

[@alathreon8315]

Too bad they didn't talk about Omilar with spirit who can OS or 2 shots every characters with every spirit, it was funny, too bad they patched it :(

[@juniperrodley9843]

Spirits as a whole are busted

[@danielclarke5736]

peach and daisy's only difference is turnip knockback

[@user-gr9kh2jv2f]

Yeah K rool down throw and inkling both got nerfed to be easier to mash out of lol

[@LeeToons]

has anyone noticed that in the counter recoveries when lucina was fighting the green dk, she phazed through the ledge?

[@randommaster06]

The CPUs used to be complete nonsense. How do you punish a jab? By perfectly spacing a F-smash so the wind-up dodges the hit box.

[@Mmmeeee4]

CPU's with counters are still BS....

[@aidenawe9359]

I wish meta knight had a projectile

[@897bigman]

Richter actually has an Aura effect on his Holy Water

[@nintendope8837]

100 damage ken combo.. that absolutely everyone is sdiing out of

[@wonderful_whiscash9534]

Too bad cuz you can’t

[@youngzplayin9170]

i was at a high school esports tournament an these ice climbers were doing the infinite it was crazy

[@Edward-de1db]

5:53 Oh how times how changed. Tilts are not confirmed until 150

[@anonymous7024]

OK. But why does Richter's u-air killscreen look cursed?

[@UmbraStarWolf]

Surprised with no mention of prepatch wolf at all His down smash killed at 30 His up b didn’t trade so he could edgeguard with it like Sephiroth. Down smash got nerfed twice and still lills at 50 why

[@gumimoon3906]

No one's gonna mention how originally Daisy had Peaches Smash 4 Turnips? But got patched to match Ult Peach? Nice

[@TheOnlyGBeast]

if you ask me, the honest most broken thing in ultimate is burying

[@mrmrpineapple6542]

When 3 comes out it will be only about dlc

[@Q269]

Gumball & MrDanish ButterCookie have some insane Ice Climbers combos...

[@Jahi1110]

I remember getting 0-death by the puff cpu my friends still are never letting me live it down 💀💀💀

[@coltsmash]

It sure was

[@_kermit_8463]

Ivysaurs d-air was the biggest d-air until pyra pulled up…