Apple Silicon Isn't What You Think It'll Be

[@kirschitz64]

BootCamp might survive if Microsoft treats Windows on ARM seriously. Aaand after seeing how it's up to the OEM according to Microsoft, there's hope.

[@horizonrising7393]

Apple should have switched to AMD, as their processors are getting much faster and more power efficient than both Intel and ARM, in fact AMD's new mobile Ryzen 7 4800U CPU that draws only 15W power like Apple's ARM chips runs even slightly faster than the Core i9-9880H that I have in my MacBook Pro and also referenced in this video. Apple COULD HAVE SAVED bootcamp 😂

[@bwnzix]

@@horizonrising7393 I Agree. Then Boot Camp will work perfectly fine :)

[@horizonrising7393]

@UCNCwY67kmTk9gIz3GCRzZmg Hey, look up AMD's Ryzen 7 4800U specs and read its power consumption and compare it now with Apple's A12Z ARM CPU, LOL you haven't clearly done your homework.

[@m1l3s27]

@@horizonrising7393 what metric are you using to compare peak core performance between amd 4800u and a12? It's like apples and oranges man.

[@comradeuro4255]

But it'll be useless, people want bootcamp for app support. Windows on ARM will have less apps than macOS

[@stucorbishley]

Such a great summary, been tangentially aware of all of this - but you've so elegantly picked apart the pertinent facts and added your opinions... Fantastic job as usual!

[@snazzy]

Thanks, Stuart!

[@mumble3535]

Eloquent might be a more apt description than elegant

[@Blox117]

only problem i see is that he trusted the geekbench score a bit too much. geekbench really isnt a trustworthy benchmark, especially for cross platform

[@racso5628]

One of the most level headed KZbinrs. Definitely my style and I’ve greatly enjoyed your stuff.

[@snazzy]

My head is not that flat, though.

[@patricklebel1141]

@@snazzy well as flat as the earth 😉

[@greasysteve5671]

@@snazzy LMAO, Quin never change

[@AKALcoid]

Good reviewer. Completely opinion based.

[@mustafatalal4822]

Snazzy Labs Now that I noticed It is noticeably flat 😂

[@lazudi]

This aged well

[@ayamemcpherson8139]

Why is everyone talking about being early? Quinn actually said some interesting stuff!

[@snazzy]

They commented too quickly to realize it!

[@ayamemcpherson8139]

Lol maybe!

[@daa589]

:34 seconds in!

[@WarriorsPhoto]

He always makes some great videos and not everyone will agree with his points. (:

[@poldelepel]

François Piednoël is literally translated as Francis Christmasfoot.

[@ABarbershopBarber]

Stijn De Bruyn well the literal translation would be Footchristmas. But i get what you mean.

[@danteregianifreitas6461]

@@ABarbershopBarber adjective order is different in French, he is correct

[@MS-ot2cz]

Lol that’s interesting

[@ABarbershopBarber]

Dante Regiani Freitas i understand adjective order is different. But then that’s not a “literal” translation. A literal translation makes no adjustment for proper word order. Especially useful for singers to know which word means what in a foreign language poem. Very useful for German since their sentence order is so different as well.

[@danteregianifreitas6461]

@@ABarbershopBarber ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@ThisIsTechToday]

Thanks so much for making this video. Answered a lot of questions!

[@computerman9971]

Agreed! Also remember me?

[@WarriorsPhoto]

I agree he made the transition look a lot clearer and less over whelming. What kind of videos do you make?

[@Sarcasmka14]

Not problem bro🙄❤️❤️

[@aroraakshaj70]

@Free Speech I partially agree, but lets be honest, who actually games on a Mac??? :D Atleast I know for sure I wont be getting one, because I won't be able to get ny Windows VMs, or Bootcamp to run. And I seriously need Windows apart from MacOS.

[@keshavsakthi546]

@Free Speech yes yes intel is sandbagging and loosing mind and market share to amd for no reason whatsoever. I do agree with your scaling problem for the apple silicon but nothing is set in stone on that front

[@veewooks924]

I don’t know what you’re talking about but I like the way you’re saying it

[@approxahmed]

I was about to sleep, it's almost 4 am thanks Quinn

[@snazzy]

You can sleep in 13:59.

[@joestorer7005]

Lol its 730 pm for me

[@parthpro8763]

Sleep Snazzy

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Where are you in the world?

[@julian5857]

@@joestorer7005 7:30 am for me now 😂

[@mariacheebandidos7183]

6:33 Rene thanks you. 8:55 when it comes to Apple, some people just lose perspective or rationale

[@lucasrem]

Mariachee Bandidos Rene? Haló, haló - René Artois! worries Why you need this channel, is he smart enough to help you?

[@diavalus]

@@lucasrem Well, for sure he's smarter than you. Plus, he's not on a channel he dislikes and bashing on multiple topics about him.

[@GamesRTech]

Also..... We can get back a true Macbook "AIR" since it can be very light and may have a crazy battery life!✌🏻🙃

[@bijandey5634]

@Pervy_Sage I found that funnier than I should have.

[@jorelplay8738]

That’s if they don’t chop the battery, to make the laptop lighter and thinner

[@thebravegallade731]

@@jorelplay8738 I mean, the current ipad airs have good battery life. the savings on battery that apple's chips allow would keep the battery life even if they chop the battery capacity in half.

[@nathantaylor2026]

You stole my profile picture!

[@GamesRTech]

@@nathantaylor2026 haha😂 cheers brother🍻✌🏻

[@emlyndewar]

"Thinner design" - Lets hope not. Obsession with thin designs is painful with Apple.

[@paulstubbs7678]

What, you don't love the butterfly keyswitches

[@griffin8062]

Can't wait for people's macbooks to start bending in their bag

[@nattankress]

@@griffin8062 I accidentally bent a Macbook air of the older ones once by hauling in my bag near engineering books

[@Shanboss277]

Don’t worry, Jony Ive left Apple. We’re good

[@ZachAgape]

haha true xD But it's painful when it compromises on other things. Other wise, why not? Ultimately it means a lighter and more portable product, and also a less power hungry product, which is better both for your electricity bill and for the environment. I mean think of how huge in size laptops were 15 years ago!

[@goJesusandStarcraft]

apple silicon chips => no more AVX, AVX2, AVX-512 instructions => no more Intel MKL or OpenBLAS => trying to use numpy (or other libraries) for any sort of linear algebra computations that are common to data science and machine learning, will be SLOW. This is one example of how apple silicon macs would actually be a massive detriment to a specific workflow I get that the move to apple silicon is great for most people who use mainstream apps to do mainstream things. It will be great for normies who use their laptops to browse the web, draft emails, write notes, and watch videos. And apple silicon macs will also benefit a few categories of pros who use apps like FCPX that will be compiled and optimized to run on apple silicon. In short, apple silicon will be better for, i dunno, 80% or more of users. But the remaining 20% of us - those who use any of the myriad Windows-only programs (Solidworks, FlexSim, a ton of engineering / simulation programs), or those who develop using any of the myriad software libraries that are designed to run on x86 (and probably won't just be magically "optimized" for arm) - this is looking to be the end of the road for macs. Hopefully I get proven wrong.

[@davidthomson5507]

Dude, you're so jazzed about this stuff that I'm starting the think that you're running on ARM. Great vid.

[@paulgero]

You should run the video at 1.75x speed !! Really jazzed. 😉. Great info! Thanks.

[@GGAS325]

Great video but bit of a clickbait thumbnail? You can't really say "FINALLY HERE!!!" when it's not even here yet...

[@bwnzix]

its 26 hours till the event mate 🤣🤣

[@daa589]

@Francis Hubert 🤣

[@Loopysoloist]

It's been available in development kits

[@decisiveness]

The event is tomorrow, but yeah it shouldn't say that. Then again, it does say "it'll" in the title so it's clear it wasn't here yet.

[@lucasrem]

Steven the mini refurbished on ARM dev kits! Why you need it now, why the Caps Lock weirdo talk???

[@Djoki1]

This is what windows mobile should have been Too bad, considering it ended in a dumpster

[@adityaupalkar007]

The video quality and presentation seems more personal and equally professional at the same time. It’s hard to establish that balance. Great Video, Quinn. Keep up the good work 👍👍👍...

[@snazzy]

Thanks dude!

[@TruittMurrow]

So here is what concerns me. I am a video editor. I use a Mac because all of my colleagues use Macs, and I want to make sure that everything stays compatible. I'd love to move to PC, but that is a story for another time. On the projects I am working on, we use Avid Media Composer (again, not something that can be easily be changed). When Apple dropped support for 32-bit apps in Catalina, that included Avid. It took until May this year for Avid to release an update that could run on Catalina. And it is still not as reliable as the previous versions. That transition doesn't make me feel hopeful for this transition. I'm sure the new chips will be more powerful and efficient, but what is the point if I can't use the software that I need to use? I know during the announcement, they said that the entire Adobe Creative suite was converted to run natively, but is it going to be that simple for everyone?

[@TheJtorres182]

Smaller studios will struggle for sure, expect a long wait time for more niche software.

[@kooldude1928]

Wouldn’t Rosetta 2 help with software like this? Genuine question, not being a smartass lol

[@anneburich3913]

How difficult would it be to move to a PC after using a MacBook Pro 13 for 8 years? And which one would you recommend? Dell XPS 13? All the 2020 MacBooks seem to be having overheating issues, and I'm not sure that the new Silicon Apples will be bug free. I don't like the Touch Bar either. Thanks.

[@jani0077]

@@anneburich3913 almost all of the newer macbook pros post 2017 have overheating issues. Just try to open the bottom and look into their thermal design. Totally idiotic choice of thermal routing you won't find in other manufacturers laptops. I don't see a reason having macbook pro thinner whatsoever.

[@Aiello_]

You're going to do a video about Nvidia buying ARM? I've been wondering how that's going to affect Apple (if at all)

[@johola]

Won't. Apple has only licensed the ARM command set. They don't use ARM architecture, that is all apple. So it's hard to imagine any way nvidias purchase could impact this.

[@dhruvakhera5011]

and if it does, and apple is forced, they can buy nvidia or buy ARM from Nvidia but that won't happen because qualcomm is still a company that also uses arm and both of them would eat nvidia alive

[@Aiello_]

@@johola i see, thanks for the information

[@alphazar]

Shouldn't affect Apple or any other licensees. Nvidia would have to be careful not to be anticompetitive. Another thing is, Apple licensed ARM instruction sets, but design its own cores in-house. Apple Silicon also comprises more than just ARM cpu as it also includes other proprietary custom chips designed by Apple.

[@ashdavis4845]

as other comments have said, Apple only uses the ARM instruction set, and their license will likely survive any sale of ARM until the license expires (if it ever does). Even assuming that Apple really screwed up those negotiations and that isn't the case, Nvidia would be dumb to go directly for Apple on licensing any time soon because Apple will sue them into oblivion for anti-competitive practices along with anything under the sun they can get to stick. it'd also send the wrong message to other non-Apple OEMs, as that'd promote anxiety about their positions with Nvidia-ARM going forward, which is never good after a sale.

[@levonlock]

This video was hands down the most informative video I've ever seen on the new Apple Silicon. Thanks so much Quinn and team. I learnt a lot

[@katrinabryce]

I'd like to see a 12" MacBook that is basically an iPad Pro with a permanently attached keyboard, no touch screen, and 2 USB C ports, for about $800. That is a wish, not a prediction.

[@fullfunk]

800$ AHHAHAH 1800$

[@Austin1990]

Considering the cost of the 12” iPad Pro, $1400 would probably be the cheapest something like that would be. Edit: I bought one of the highest quality Ryzen 7 4700U ultrabooks available, and it was $1100 without being as nice as what you describe. Granted, it has a 1TB MVME drive and 16GB of RAM. But, I wouldn’t buy a MacBook with lower specs. It _couldn’t_ be cheaper than what I bought. And, if it could match what I bought in performance while having a better screen, I think $1600 would be reasonable.

[@sonicgirl3582]

Austin P the 12” macbook isn’t gonna be $1400 lol, it’s rumored to be $800. the 13” mbp is rumored to be $1100 these make sense because apple is saving billions of dollars since they don’t have to pay intel anymore, and with the pandemic going on they’re not gonna make it expensive

[@darkdemon613]

Ohhhh samee

[@Austin1990]

Daisy I’d like to believe that. But, AMD chips are far cheaper than Intel chips, yet companies still struggle to make good budget laptops. If it has 256GB of storage and only 4GB of RAM, that is more reasonable for $800. But, that still seems pushing it. We will see, though.

[@MrVanderwel]

"The options are limitless" does this guy even know how Apple operates? :D

[@nyubi007]

Yes, he does. That's why he's saying it.

[@alpacamale2909]

it was sarcasm, you just don't get it because he's an apple user using ARM.

[@servantbyday]

r/woosh

[@utubekullanicisi]

He does. He’s been a Mac guy since he was born.

[@miken8150]

You're positively giddy about this transition!

[@snazzy]

I (shockingly) am!

[@zenmaster24]

11:15 "i think a lot of people believe apple's going to come in balls blazing" is that really the epxression? 😂

[@kentatakao6863]

guns blazing + balls to the wall

[@ABarbershopBarber]

zen usually “guns a blazing.”

[@MaxBaltzer]

It is now hahah

[@Mevi]

I tried it once, do not recommend

[@paulstubbs7678]

@@Mevi Sounds painfull, had my attention

[@mreleven7826]

This is the most informative video I have watched this year . Most tech channels talk about things we already know but this is different. Great work.

[@CardinalHijack]

So do i wait for a 16 inch arm macbook pro, or just get the current one? (Using a 2015 macbook pro atm).

[@Megaphonix]

This is such a fantastic video! Really great look into all the intricacies of this move.

[@timonvandael6823]

I am now looking to buy a new macbook pro (last one died), I am looking at the base model 2020 13 inch. Would it be smart to wait until end this year for a better macbook in the same price range or should I just buy this one?

[@Kevroa1]

Pretty sure that geekbench score is still higher than the macbook air.. Literally a mobile chip for phones and tablets is faster than the macbook air

[@Termsofseve]

intel moment

[@berkiyo]

Anything at this point, even a 2013 Ivy bridge thinkpad is going to be faster than a MacBook Air. Why? They failed at thermal management. I feel that this chassis is going to be used with ARM thus the no heat pipe design.

[@Termsofseve]

berkelium the bad thermal management was because apple put too much hope on intel, i feel like they will do something really good with apple silicon

[@agaskew]

@@Termsofseve nah, Apple utterly b0rked the heatsink/paste/fan set up in the new Air

[@Ebraheem_Bambotia]

I'm betting Apple's gonna push the A14X to higher clocks for the MacBooks.

[@EdwinFairchild]

As an ARM developer what benefits would on reap from developing on am ARM based computer, could I mess with my CPU (arm core) ? that would interesting , will compiling be faster etc... I just never though about what it would mean to develop for ARM on an ARM.

[@iamkailong]

Nice video, here is some of my problem about some of your point. You complemented how apple manage to emulate x86 app using apple silicon and have pretty good performance, evidence by their benchmark score. However, emulating x86 using arm chip is not like the other way around, performance drop is always linear when emulate arm using x86 due to the simplicity nature of arm. Emulate x86, the performance drop will vary task by task, and simple benchmark won't be able to tell the difference as in terms of "raw computing performance" the drop-off is not drastic, especially when apple can optimise specially for certain benchmark. As seen by some test, the video decoding and gaming performance drop-off is much higher when using apple silicon, as expected, and if they don't do special optimisation for that it will stay that way. You also said that it is likely that using apple silicon will improve battery life and reduce heat gen. This is true, but is overrated. Apple silicon ie a12x/z still can get up to 10w when under load, and probably will be even higher if they want to have more performance in their macs, the relationship is not linear too. From 10w to 20w, it might gain only 20% more performance, then need to get to 40w for another 20%(totally make up number, but you get my point). Considering how stupid they design the mba heatsink, I think they still have ways to fuck it up. And finally, I afraid due to the swap, big game dev will finally completely drop Macs support. The future of Mac gaming is even worse now, with only mobile game to choose from. People may agrue mobile game is the future, but I am sorry in recent years I haven't seen one good single player aaa game in mobile market, all are p2p/skinn selling mobile esport titles. The scene just died with infinity Blade stop continue developing.

[@Teluric2]

good performance?? I studied cpu architecture and all cpu are tested with several benchmarks and geekbench is the less acurate..google how power9 risc was tested and several benchmarks were used, apple only showed geekbench,,why do they dont show a video of an ARM prototype mac doing a real world test showing the screen ?

[@iamkailong]

@@Teluric2 That is my first point.

[@manosanthmanikavasagar3718]

I think Arm architecture is the future for end user products. Most end user products (excluding gaming and high performance editing) don’t need x86 overhead. Optimised Software will outperform raw spec power.

[@jeremydean5336]

Question why is there so much bad press about Apple silicon M1. I have the Apple M1 MacBook Pro. I think it’s grate so what’s the problem?

[@juliorianoo]

would you recommend a 13 inch ARM macbook pro, or a surface laptop 3. i’m a photographer and want to do some occasional video editing but nothing heavy right now. i’m more comfortable with windows but i own apple products, and i will not be maxing them out, to the max specs, more like mid tier. which would you say is the better pick ? i want to get the mac but the surface laptop has a touch screen and people say macs are not worth it. kinda need help.

[@Darkspoon1506]

Interested to see what the response will be from Microsoft, Intel and AMD. Will they need to do anything to compete? Is Nvidia interested in making ARM SOCs for laptops or phones? Idk enough about this industry to say but it feels like there are some big shifts happening in the computing space atm and I like it.

[@cgraham6]

"Is Nvidia interested in making ARM SOCs for laptops or phones?" I'd say Nvidia's entire Tegra line would suggest so. It's only been around since 2008.

[@evancrazyerror]

cgraham6 The Surface 2 and the Nintendo Switch would say otherwise. Both use Tegra chips and both are woefully underpowered. I’m not saying Nvidia couldn’t make a chip that could rival Qualcomm and then Apple, if they had the same Ampere team but instead they specialized in the CPU, ho-ly shit Apple would have some competition. But I don’t think it’s their main focus for right now.

[@thebravegallade731]

@@evancrazyerror Tegra isn't underpowerd by itself, it has been the most powerful mobile chipset for several years. its just that before the switch came along, their was no market for the tegra. with the switch making bank they now have an actual REASON to make a good powerful new Tegra chip. Plus, combine ARM with Nvidia's DLSS tech.... now THAT is beauty that can punch FAR abouve its weight in gaming and redering

[@m1l3s27]

@@thebravegallade731 dude the Tegra in the switch is shit. Nvidias arm chips are shit, that's why they're relegated to stuff like automotive sector powering shitty infotainment. They're woefully inefficient, which is why they stopped in the mobile market. Qualcomm destroyed them repeatedly. Could they reenter the market and kill it? Yes, but they'd need to prioritize. I'd love for someone to set Qualcomm's lazy ass on fire.

[@amineabdz]

Nvidia literally acquired ARM ... they will most likely make SoCs

[@ben6]

i went clicking through so many other youtubers who made multiple videos about the same thing, only to waffle on and not get to the point 4-5 minutes in. Your video packs a lot of info, thanks :)

[@sinorcdit]

Really like this so much more than those onboard the hype train , I mean I’m really excited as well, but don’t want to get my hopes up way too high. Great video

[@senorfrog5605]

Hey quin, random question: how many apps do you have start up when you first turn on your macs? My 2019 16” mbp gets up to 145degrees F ... even if I disable all the apps on start up, it still gets as high as 110F. Is that normal or is something wrong with my mbp? Thanks in advance

[@andreaslassak2111]

However, Rosetta doesn’t translate the following executables: Kernel extensions Virtual Machine apps that virtualize x86_64 computer platforms

[@lucasrem]

Andreas Lassak Why you use Rosetta II now, why you need Mac? Windows apps?

[@ceticobr]

@@lucasrem Docker, linux apps...

[@andreaslassak2111]

@@ceticobr Dude u cant run VM in Docker. OMG. Its not about apps.

[@andreaslassak2111]

@@lucasrem Developing on Mac is my business, I have everything from Apple. But coding cross apps compatible with x86 is my daily job. Do you understand ?

[@andreaslassak2111]

@@ceticobr ARM linux, useless

[@siontheodorus1501]

Wonderful video, but i wonder, will there be any cons by using RISC compared to x86 instructions set?

[@fulviorock]

4:07 Italian mode: ON

[@FedecraftITALIA]

🤣

[@billy_b8958]

This has become my favorite apple KZbin channel! Like your style and everything.

[@snazzy]

Thanks!!

[@casperes0912]

Only thing confusing me is that the title is that AS is not what I think, but then you proceeded to say a bunch of things already in my mind... You lied to me, Quinn. I cried

[@ElNeroDiablo]

I'm a fairly recent semi-convert to Apple stuff, and I can't wait to see what Apple can do with their new chips in desktops and how efficient it'll be for gaming even with JIT x86-to-ARM conversions for programs like World of Warcraft (at least until that gets an updated version for native running on Apple Silicon). I'm already in the process of trying to convert as much of my daily desktop usage from Win10 to macOS, with gaming being the biggest hurdle that keeps me on Windows as my most powerful rig's OS.

[@AtinSinghal]

Can’t wait for a Mac which has an EMI equivalent to my house EMI 😬

[@astitva5002]

apple silicon will be cheaper to manufacture you can expect cheaper macs

[@pantsu1265]

its gonnna be pretty cheap compared to present ones

[@johnedwards1968]

@@astitva5002 Manufacturing cost is NOT why Macs are so pricey.

[@astitva5002]

@@johnedwards1968 I mean I hope Apple is smart enough to not keep raising their prices and remain a hypebeast of a tech company. Students are a great market, I'm sure they will release cheaper macs that are powerful enough too

[@AtinSinghal]

Apoorv Sahay You got inside info? Why would they price it cheaper than it’s now? They need funds for R&D as well you know... And what I wrote above was meant for the Mac Pro considering prices for wheels, stand for the display and all... the more customisation options, the bigger the price tag!

[@benjamin_esau]

Dude your video quality has just done through the roof over the last year

[@sethagastya]

But question: since thunderbolt 3 is Intel’s proprietary tech - what would the new MacBooks use?!

[@quantuminfinity4260]

USB 4.0, The thunderbolt standard was basically given to the standards people for USB, So it will have the same functionality, but much more universal and much easier to implement.

[@johngwheeler]

Apple stated that the new Macs will use Thunderbolt - not sure if version 3 or 4.

[@R3lay0]

There even are AMD chipset mainboards with Thunderbolt

[@olcaybuyan]

Very well curated and explained. Great video. Thanks

[@LTX-Shep]

You always do great videos. Clearly, a lot of work and research go into them. Thanks.

[@snazzy]

Cheers!

[@marcindebicki1199]

There are a few issues that I can see here. Specifically a lot of people are using Mac just so that the can run also Windows apps even at the same time using apps such as Parallels or Wine - this is not just about Bootcamp (which at this point is btw known to not be supported). Here is the thing: some of those technologies may get ported such as virtualisation software (Parallels, VirtualBox and so on) while porting i.e. Wine may be problematic as this is just a translation layer that for sure would have to depend on Rosetta. But then remember how Apple treated such transitions before - Rosetta got removed very early from MacOS leaving some decent number of users stuck. So I think that at this point as much as it is interesting move it still can work both ways for both Apple and it's customers with some possibly in the end even having to give up on Macs.

[@AtanasMinkovFeed]

Watching this in 2021 is funny.

[@PeteKowalsky]

A14 in new iPad Air = 11.8Bn transistors per todays event. Do we think the A14 iPhone variant will be more than this? Even if not, it will be pretty dang impressive. 2020 iPad Air A14 looks amazing tho, right? :) LOL, yes, @ 13:20, their CPUs are *very* "spessil". I'm VERY excited to see what's coming in a month or so - I was surprised to see the 8th gen iPad today too. Clearly they're not just sitting around waiting for ticks and tocks and happy binning accidents to move their product forward.

[@Fashionlifestyle_Official]

Thank you for sharing!Hope everybody here becomes successful on KZbin

[@Chrissy4605]

Linus tech tips!!!!

[@lucasrem]

Fashion & lifestyle KZbin jobs? why the weirdo channel? Fashion, makeup tips? Style? Stay save at home, nobody will notice.....

[@Fashionlifestyle_Official]

@@lucasrem Positive vibes only! but thanks dear :)

[@zainalu]

So, if I buy an iMac today what will I lose later when they launch Apple silicon based iMacs? Will I be able to run newer softwares designed for silicon macs?

[@martinsauer5311]

I bet iJustine, him and other Apple KZbinrs already have Apple Silicon Macs laying around in there homes

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Almost anyone could. All you have to do is have an App Store developer account and you could be put on the list for a dev kit. I'm on the list and the only app I've ever published was flashlight everyone builds in their first KZbin tutorial. Granted, on the list doesn't mean I'll actually get a kit before the public launch.

[@AleCopart]

Hey Sr you make an excellent VIDEO & analysis here!

[@HyperVV]

"when your customers start findinding almost as much bugs as you found yourself, you're not leading into a right place" *microsoft's windows division sweating nervously*

[@nagarajanvaidya9266]

underrated comment

[@MrSmokinDragon]

software vs hardware, like comparing oranges and cars

[@gwenwalravens8030]

@@MrSmokinDragon Especially software that supports pretty much every single piece of hardware in existence. Windows is unique in that.

[@thebuddercweeper]

Gwen Walravens Linux 🤣

[@gwenwalravens8030]

@@thebuddercweeper Linux hardly supports anything natively.

[@sanyamkumar1858]

I have been waiting to get a macbook air 2020 for a month now and now it is finally available. Should i get it or wait for an Apple Silicon macbook? I am a college student and need the macbook for development and stuff.

[@poke_champ]

13:20 Adding this to my vocabulary

[@snazzy]

It’s a spehsul word.

[@perdomot]

I'm curious what CPU, either AMD or Intel, the new arm CPU could be compared to. General usage, media encoding, gaming, etc. Where do you think performance will land?

[@Blueyzachary]

“ARM. Excuse me, Apple Silicon” 😂

[@yannstorytelling7114]

I need now a macbook, but if just the processor will change and not the design, i’ll get an intel macbook air. I’m web redactor, that’s doesn’t need a big power cpu... i’m working on a ipad pro. Do you think the design will change too ?

[@antoxnsoekanto4529]

Usually when apple start to be more "exclusive" we find jump in price.

[@cricetomannaro000]

That's what I'm dreading...

[@s.i.m.c.a]

it is a problems of ppl who use Apple overpriced products still. Apple able to highly tight ppl with eco system .. like on drugs, and due to there no competition in apple eco-system, company will dictate whatever it wanted to..and slaves will follow

[@mapleaviation2]

@@s.i.m.c.a Slaves? Seriously?

[@valputnal9156]

4:07 Italian mode: ON

[@cricetomannaro000]

@@valputnal9156 Italians do that hand gesture to express the fact that they are not understanding what someone is saying, not at random. Source: an Italian guy.

[@seanwolfe5161]

I had a transition development mac during the transition from G5 to Intel. It was a cheese grater G5 case with an ATC motherboard and a Pentium 4 processor. Unfortunately, I was unable to keep this computer because part of the developer deal was that you sent them back that same mac and they would replace it with a production model mac at launch. The second unfortune about this is that the replacement was a Gen 1 Intel iMac. This was when the iMac changed from the upside down desklamp design to the initial form factor that we currently know. Also, this Mac had a Core Duo chip. When that Mac was released, Intel had just launched the Core2 Duo chips, which had a whole slew of new and awesome extensions added to it. Keep in mind, the first Core Duo came from the Pentium M line of architecture, which was essentially the Pentium III architecture in a smaller die, which was more heat/power efficient per MFLOP compared to the Pentium 4. The Core Duo was just 2 Pentium M's on the same chip. The Core2 Duo is an actual new architecture that takes advantage of the multicore design. So I guess my word of warning is, don't expect the developer silicon to be even remotely like the launch silicon. It's just similar enough. Besides that, I think everything you say in this vid is right on. I initially thought that this move was due to 3 things, Apple doesn't like being compared to PC specs dollar for dollar and benchmark to benchmark, Apple wants to kill off the Hackintosh/Frankenmac/OEM marketplace, and lastly further close the loop on anyone that wants to develop for the exalted iDevice App Store. Your point on supply line issues is new and thoughtful speculation that I think is likely right. I would say that this should be an open and closed anti-trust case, but with our current justice department, the big crooks get protected. So..... did I say that the last Mac I will buy is the 2014 MacBook Pro? (and this ain't no winner, battery swell failures have caused most of this laptop to be replaced 3 timesm I think only the top case and display is original. As David Wong would say, "Is this the same Mac?")

[@bazza2540]

Love the thumnail on this one. Oh, and it's 4pm here...

[@ohctascooby2]

Considering the cost savings for in house silicon what about dual and quad ipad chips in a laptop?

[@nouryounes2553]

Idk about everyone else, but I’m waiting for an ARM Mac mini, the more powerful the better

[@deejayjuanpachanga]

Snazzy labs always has completely different videos than what the rest of the KZbin computer community uploads. Very well researched. We need to get this man up to one million subscribers.

[@snazzy]

Thanks man! Hopefully this year!

[@scooter4196]

1:10 COMPUTER CHRONICLES!!!!!

[@snazzy]

I wish it still existed.

[@MirekFe]

I think I should try to bring back something like this, but on KZbin this time. 🤔

[@MirekFe]

@referral madness I would wear 80s style glasses, with a matching suit, and mannerism. Lol 😂 That would be very informative, and entertaining. Not to mention, relaxing.

[@MattDaddyPrime]

Stewart Cheifet FTMFW

[@JoshuaReinert]

The link to learn more about silicon and binning (at least on mobile) is to Big Sur’s Secret. Which video talks about that? I’d like to watch it.

[@izzieb]

9:11 I am confused. 2992 (from the Surface Pro X) is higher than 2960...

[@snazzy]

There is testing variance. 32 points is nothing. Besides, point still stands. DTK was doing x86 emulation and Surface is running natively.

[@juliancumps8526]

Hey Quinn? should I buy the ARM MacBook Air when it comes out or wait for the MacBook Pro? (for a new school laptop)

[@jebbush2527]

For school use an air is usually fine unless you want to game or run software that uses lots of graphics

[@JR-mk6ow]

If Apple used the 4000 series Ryzen the MacBook would be perfect. Great battery, crazy performance, cheaper. They'll probably get some crazy battery because it's ARMs. But well, could get the power as well. Let's see

[@gorudonu]

yes, but ARM is not magic, if you push it hard for programming then it will also drain battery like crazy

[@evancrazyerror]

Apple doesn’t want to rely on another company again. AMD is soaring right now but eventually they’ll hit their roadblock and Intel will become the de facto chip manufacturer again. Then AMD will come up with something new after Intel’s done nothing for a decade, and the cycle continues. I wouldn’t be surprised if apple got into that cycle too, but they’d have themselves to blame. They wouldn’t be waiting on another company to fix themselves.

[@ToomanyFrancis]

This is a bad take. The benefits of Apple Silicon are not just based on raw performance, it may perform better than intel chips do/ did, but the real purpose is Apple specific architecture that can be designed with only Apple products in mind. Think buying an off-the-rack suit then having it tailored VS. a custom made bespoke suit.

[@gorudonu]

Toomany Francis it depends, if Apple can keep up with both software and hardware, we need to have it in mind that although they have a lot of money, they also have limited number of engineers. I just want them to open up a little bit for customers and give more ability to put ssds and ram but I know that they do it, still it nice to dream about world where people collaborate with each other from time to time 😉

[@BenjaminDosSantosJr]

​@@gorudonu More people involved in development means more points of failure. Apple has run the numbers and has seen that they can take care of the cost of developing and maintaining the architecture as well as the software. When everything is made in house development is faster, testing is more detailed, and results are accomplished faster. If Apple "open[s] up a little bit for customers" it will make the hardware worse for the end-user. The flexibility to change the hardware on the consumer level means more complexity on the development side and thus more points of failure.

[@martinomburajr.5905]

I liked and subscribed because you gave straight forward deep quality content instead of forcing quirky KZbinr personality cutscenes that often ruin the content of videos. Thank you!

[@mvz]

I dont think Adobe's full suite will ever make it to arm natively...

[@Yilz19]

Nah, don't think so. Too much of an hassle for no return

[@NightDevilMacGeneral]

They will eventually manage to migrate it the year Apple discontinues the Rosetta 2 transition layer (and won’t bother too much before that deadline). Just like last time when migrating from PowerPC to x86 (or MacOS 9.2 to MacOS X).

[@SilentG20]

You clearly never heard of photoshop and illustrator on the iPad in the past 4-5 years? If someone's well prepared for the transition, it's going to be adobe.

[@NightDevilMacGeneral]

@todooeoeo do those versions have feature parity yet? Last time I checked they were miles behind...

[@BrawndoQC]

@@Yilz19 Adobe, a public company that relies on software subscriptions, would not update their software.. get real please.

[@ymi_yugy3133]

Do you think missing AVX(2, 512) support for Rosetta 2 is going to be a big problem? The other thing I am still wondering about is how they will deal with higher power GPUs. I don't think normal DDR4(5 in the future) memory is going to be enough. Will they go the console route and use GDDR for everything or the PC route with dedicated chips and heterogeneous memory, maybe even HBM2(e)?

[@TheNameOfJesus]

New slogan for Apple: "Intel now Outside"

[@johndesouza4223]

I have an early 2011 17" MacBook Pro with the quad core i7. It hasn't slowed down, I just occasionally double the size of the OWC SSD. RAM is at 16GB. Also have been on countless corporate Unix boxes and PCs, but always have a Mac in the mix. One day this one will quit and I'll have to get a new ultra-thin MacBook with soldered RAM and SSD. My iPhone 6 Plus just quit (bad RF transceiver chip) and I picked up the little SE - it's weird having a small phone again but it's very fast with the A13 SoC.

[@evindrews]

rumor mill says 14" macbook pro tomorrow. Bro, you've got me all hyped up now.

[@demochannel6146]

i would keep my expectation low. x86 has all those instructions for a reason. ARM, by all means lightweight and suited for mobile applications that dont need all extra instruction set. It's like thinking "Oh god, look how a bike is so lightweight than a car, lets make a car out of a bike". The amount of workaround soft devs will do to fit with ARM instruction will penalize the performance.

[@johngwheeler]

@@demochannel6146 Don't tell that to the manufacturers like Amazon, Marvell & Ampere who are producing 200W 80-core ARM CPUs.....which compete very favorably with Intel & AMD CPUs that cost up to twice as much. Do some research on ARM in the data center.

[@demochannel6146]

@@johngwheeler i think you are missing the point please. Data centers, again, designed to do specific thing, much like mobile platform. Where there is instructions to shave, ARM shines. Desktop is a vast platform, where people use it in so many different ways. x86 has those extra instruction sets for a reason.

[@ichisukeryu119]

Mann i wish you're like every high school or uni professor. Very informative, sounds cool and witty. Classes will never be boring!

[@isaackrueger6637]

Did no one else notice how he said “special” at the end??

[@cardboardpackage]

13:20

[@adrda610]

Came down to the comments to check on this exact thing.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

I didn't .

[@Austin1990]

You’d be surprised how difficult recording a video this long without misspeaking a single time is.

[@kairon5249]

what about cooling. are they gonna put the fan on the cpu this time?

[@abielgeorge7228]

Who will actually be upgrading to the new arm based macs

[@snazzy]

🙋🏻‍♂️

[@abielgeorge7228]

Snazzy Labs hoping my church does

[@mhtweeter]

Me

[@ShiggitayMediaProductions]

I plan to.

[@rohangreenld]

i plan to

[@nikkolas821]

When do you guys think this tech will release with the iMac? I’m ready to buy an iMac i9 10 core Should I wait or will I be waiting until mid 21? Any info would be awesome.

[@aweesmabrook7778]

Go ahead and buy one now so you can regret it later. Computers are meant to be around for a long time especially if you want to buy a high end one. The wait for 2 - 8 months is nothing compared to the 7 - 10 years you'll have it for, be patient my friend :)

[@nikkolas821]

Awees Mabrook Thanks for the reply! I need it now lol so I may have to just regret it later! Spoke with Apple and it may take some time for the new silicone chips

[@BrawlPlays-0]

10:34 Well it does outperform i9 9880H but it seems something incredible cause Intel is trash you must've compared it to Ryzen 7 4800u which is outperforms i9 9880H

[@ryanmalin]

found the AMD fanboy

[@ryanmalin]

the 4800 only runs 4.2ghz. The 9880 runs 4.8ghz

[@BrawlPlays-0]

@@ryanmalin LMAO i9 can't sustain at high clock speeds for prolonged periods of time unless...well you pour in liquid nitrogen. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIN AND LIGHT FORM FACTORS!!!

[@BrawlPlays-0]

@@ryanmalin My slim 7 stabilizes at around 3.9-4.0 GHZ and i9 is like 3.5 and the 4.8 boost is literally for one fucking core, intel always does this bs move to make people like you defend Intel when they are clearly inferior.

[@BrawlPlays-0]

@@ryanmalin You know what forget all those comments. Lets keep it simple, why does my slim 7 beat i9 9880H and cost only $700?

[@zenluiz]

Great video! I'm really interested to having opinions on buying a 2020 Intel Macbook Pro instead of waiting for a Apple Silicon mac. I do music production, which requires quite a lot of computer power. Will Apple keep supporting Intel laptops for many years to come? Thanks

[@sanrasuzumaki942]

Yes! I'm excited for things to work like you say, if they make Rosetta2 to translate not only the current Mac apps but say, .exe files without the need to use bootcamp or parallels or wine , would be great!

[@joshuagollaher9614]

That would be impossible without something like wine

[@JimONeil]

That’s not what Rosetta does at all. You’re just fantasizing unrealistically.

[@abubakrakram6208]

@@joshuagollaher9614 Isn't Rosetta already like Wine, with the difference being that it translates x86 macOS applications to arm macOS instead of translating x86 Windows applications to x86 Linux? Why couldn't they add the ability to translate x86 Windows applications to arm macOS applications?

[@JimONeil]

Rosetta translates hardware instructions. You are talking about translation/conversion on a software level. It’s a completely different thing.

[@joshuagollaher9614]

@@abubakrakram6208 Wine actually implements all Windows APIs on Linux, there is no translation. Rosetta on the other hand translates instructions, with no other compatibility layer.

[@colinpye1430]

It’s interesting to remember that current MacOS came from NeXT, which wasn’t transitioning, but actively operating on at least 5 different processor architectures simultaneously. One would expect that kind of agility would make the transition much less of an issue compared with hand-coding machine language to get useable levels of performance.

[@davidorama6690]

The transition to Intel was largely seamless. Apple: just do the same again.

[@PaulMansfield]

But it also caused early obsolescence of the old powermacs

[@PPYTAO]

Paul Mansfield “but that also made old tech get old quicker” technology moves on, if it didn’t there’d never be progress. At some point something comes along and makes something else redundant. Do you complain that horses got made redundant “early” when cars came along?

[@TARS..]

@@PaulMansfield That's how tech works, I'd be damned if it doesn't do that.

[@PaulMansfield]

@@TARS.. people regularly boast about the longevity of their Apple products. It's a bad time to be buying an Intel Mac.

[@compaqdeskpro5770]

Paul Mansfield This is true, I remember in middle school a computer lab of ancient unusable Mac LC II's being replaced with shiny new eMacs, when Intel Macs were around the corner. I'm not sure if KZbin videos were ever playable on them.

[@kevinnguyen5362]

Any ideas when the new silicon mac will be released? I bought a 13 inch mac pro 2020 base model and it somehow mine feels hot after an hour into a movie on youtube. I think it will be a modest jump.

[@horsens77]

Me too. I think, should I return?

[@kevinnguyen5362]

@@horsens77 Yeah funny thing is I went to apple store and even sent my macbook into the apple head quarters and they said it "NORMAL". I totally gave up and sold it for a bit lower price on craigslist. I bought it for $1199 + tax with student discount and sold it for $1100. Bullshit from apple huh

[@hiroshiahsan9593]

You were so far off the mark on your prediction on the performance, dude.

[@edwardmupenda3080]

They ended up quoating 2x cpu and 3.5x gpu jump. But he was expecting 40% jump hahah

[@golfredomendoza7175]

When are they coming out

[@germiahcunil146]

Damn quinn! You nailed this one! So far best video ever! The only von of this video was that its too short! Your vids must be longer cz they are great! I defenitly know u deserve 1M subs and dont know y u arent at 1M subs yet cz ur vids are lit! Keep up the great work!

[@rckeesing]

Great video! Could you post the link to the chip binning video mentioned at 7.00?

[@Hacker4991]

Anyone else hear background noise? 9:55 you can hear someone else definitely talking

[@snazzy]

Neighbors were being loud. Wasn’t much I could do. Sorry.

[@vlkhvan]

Thanks! One of the few tech youtubers who does some thinking/analysis, even sort of journalism, I'd say. Others are just repeating obvious things over and over again without even trying to go deeper, basically based on press-releases

[@DrummingTmate]

2019 performance but with a stage presentation talking about "Magic" that makes it seem better than a 64 core Threadripper.

[@BrotherO4]

show me where you gonna get that performance at that power usage with intel. i will wait for you.

[@levoniust]

Finally A deep dive! Thank you for a better understanding. Do you think arm should be the future of all desktops?

[@CO8848_2]

Vertically integrated companies went out of business: IBM

[@davidrumming4734]

So can you run Windows on it...and how slow would that emulation be? Just seems that Apple likes to keep changing cpu....680x0, PowerPC, intel.....Apple cpu. Anyone thinking maybe not buy a current Mac until the new ones come out?