Social Collapse Best Practices | Dmitry Orlov

A close student and observer of the collapse of the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe twenty years ago, engineer Dmitry Orlov finds a similar sequence of events taking shape in America. His savagely humorous presentation spells out how Russia was better prepared than the US is for the stages of collapse that begin with financial meltdown. Renewal awaits on the other side of collapse, and there are ways to hasten that process. Orlov is the author of "Reinventing Collapse: Soviet Example and American Prospects" (02008).
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[@jasondelvaux3036]

Dimitry is a frequent guest on Dialogue works. Then you can find out what he thinks about our current situation. He much more serious now.

[@user-zh1th8sz2l]

I know, I was slightly annoyed at all these effete liberals, presumably, chuckling and laughing like it was all a big joke, but it did sort of read like he was having some fun with the whole thing, in addition to still trying to earnestly get the point across. All I was thinking the whole time was the people in that audience would be doomed in a lawless, Mad Max-esque America. Because there isn't going to be a 'civil war' if it ever comes to that, it will simply be a slaughter, if we're talking about one side of the socio-political aisle as it were versus the other. One side is well armed, physically strong and virile, and willing to be violent. And the other side isn't....

[@Maria-ig1bd]

I'm here from Dialogue works. Catching up.

[@julieta203]

Great talk by Orlov. Also enjoy reading his articles. Truly original thinker and offers a contrarian view.

[@KJensenStudio]

What a wonderful talk! And so accurate even now in 2023, more so, in fact. I'll be checking out his book.

[@wmc9722]

Did you?

[@KJensenStudio]

@@wmc9722 Thank you for the reminder, I got busy and forgot to get it from the library. Fortunately, I was able to get it put on hold, so I will indeed be reading it soon. Thanks again. I must not let busy stuff get in the way. 🙂

[@SuperLammens]

i listened to dmitry for over a decade now and read his blog for a decade now and bought a few of his books. the further i become informed and look at what is happening around me the more his ideas make sense. unfortunately the large populace still believes and hopes consumption after fossil fuel decline will stay as high as they where used to in the most consumptive cultures(USA, Western Europe

[@conscious_being]

Since this interview, Orlov relocated to St. Petersburg, Russia.

[@bekindeventothosewhoarenot1779]

My cue was when Dmitry orlov moves back to Russia Things are really going to shit So collapse by 1st Jan 2025

[@AndrewHorezga]

...because he is a kgb demoralization operator sent to america to spread propoganda...older than dirt trick....america won't collapse....relax....

[@AndrewHorezga]

@@bekindeventothosewhoarenot1779 ....it's because he is KGB demoralization specialist sent to spread propoganda....america ain't going nowhere....russia did not have firearms in the hands of their citizens and therefore had no ability to fight to protect itself from within....

[@conscious_being]

@@AndrewHorezga I am excited because the USA _will_ collapse. FYI, I don't live in the US and I do _not_ wish the US well.

[@AndrewHorezga]

@@conscious_being lol...you are a dime a dozen....reeeee.....suffer then.

[@regscott7157]

Orlov is brilliant

[@wmc9722]

And classy. When many people in the audience laugh, he does not mock them saying, 'just wait and see who'll be laughing'. I believe that there's a 20% possibility that what he envisions will come to pass.

[@xrxs1020]

@@wmc9722 I don't think they're laughing at him, as in MOCKING him. Thus, there's no reason for him to say "just wait......"

[@wmc9722]

@@xrxs1020 After Tuesday September 11th, 2001, I spend 100s of hours researching the case and when I mentioned my findings to a certain confidant I got utter disinterest and a bit of an eye-roll. Now, nearly 20 years later I'm ecited to hear that same person explain some of what is REALLY going on these days. Re: Orlov: The setting here was such that they chuckled a bit perhaps because they felt uncomfortable with what they were hearing. In the crowd there may have been one person who was hearing every word, taking notes, hoping to listen to him more AFTER the stage presentation. Ignorance may 'be bliss' until it is not and one is wacked in the side of the head. Ignorance is a choice.

[@jonathanedwardgibson]

He’s recast Barbara Tuchman’s March of Folly with sardonic wit and merges Ben Franklin’s Poor Richard’s Almanac into a Survival Guide. Brilliant.

[@tuckerbugeater]

He's telling you your going to be impoverished and starved to death purposely! He's not stopping it.

[@jonquiljones]

Literally listening to this while tending to my 'Collapse' garden, which I started because it seemed like it might be useful for what's coming, wearing - you guessed it - my gardening gloves.

[@jonquiljones]

@@user-nu1vn3yy9s What good is money if there is no food available to buy? You do you, boo. I've done the money-grubbing thing - I much prefer grubbing in the dirt.

[@jonquiljones]

@@user-nu1vn3yy9s TL;DR, dude - I need to get back out to my garden.

[@jonquiljones]

@@user-nu1vn3yy9s have a great day! 😁

[@HD-uh7nj]

@@user-nu1vn3yy9s this. You know exactly what's the proper course of action.

[@HD-uh7nj]

@@user-nu1vn3yy9s no not being sarcastic. Gardens will only get people so far. People should listen to people who lived in post collapse Russia or the Balkans

[@zackflora6165]

The irony is if we could just let it happen(the collapse) without losing our minds, it would be quick. That fact that we'll cling to our way of living dooms us to a long recovery.

[@RussCR5187]

The human tendency to cling to the comfortable and familiar is also going to doom us to civilizational collapse in general. We have been in a state of ecological overshoot for decades now. Climate change is just one of the symptoms. The evidence is all around us and clearly getting worse. What's coming in the remainder of the 2020s will not be pretty. In a nutshell: "If the depletion of finite natural resources cannot go on forever, it won’t."

[@tuckerbugeater]

@@RussCR5187 We are perfectly fine. This crisis is being ginned up like they did with WW1 and 2. THEY ARE AT WAR AGAINST YOU!! Taking C02 out of the air won't stop climate change one bit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@RussCR5187]

@@tuckerbugeater I agree that "they" (our billionaire overlords) are at war with us. They are imposing tighter and tighter control over our lives and are well on the way to authoritarian rule. I also agree that taking CO2 out of the air won't stop the unbalancing of our climate. We don't have a technology that can remove enough CO2 to make any meaningful difference. And for both of those reasons we are NOT perfectly fine.

[@questioneverything1123]

What a great (outstanding) presentation in dimension and breadth, leaves many facets to think about... (Thank You!)

[@Addicted2OILau]

Brilliant. Deserves more views. There’s far too few people willing to consider any problems which are unpleasant

[@fallenangel2123]

It's from 2009 🤪 USA is still the world's superpower (China and Russia are regional powers). I don't see what's "brilliant" being wrong for at least 12 years

[@heatherc1563]

It is apparent.

[@wmc9722]

When many people in the audience laugh, he does not mock them saying, 'let's wait and see who'll be laughing'. I believe that there's a 40% possibility that what he envisions will come to pass by 2030.

[@SuperLammens]

this presentation is from 2011 and is far on coarse now 9 yrs later. I have the impression that we are far closer to what Dmitry is discribing, if you haven't moved yet, time is getting shorter is my guess. unemployment is definetely on the rise and the tech sector has been booming, but how will that story end?

[@attlee2010]

Seems to be going to plan...

[@castlebravo2023]

C'mon man, when the audience laugh its because of his witty delivery, not that they find the subject matter comical. Besides, the best comedy is build upon tragedy.

[@wmc9722]

@@castlebravo2023 He is not a comedian and this is not a comedy! Read it all again: I state facts above. You give your opinion of what others think.

[@castlebravo2023]

@@wmc9722 You sir, are a fool, and a grumpy fool at that. "40% chance by 2030." Is a fact is it? Not just your speculation? Where did you get the 40% value from? Dont make sweeping generalisations, arbitrarily pluck numbers out of no-where and tell me its fact. I will not be sharing any of my chickens with you post collapse. They're for jolly survivors who can laugh at their own misfortune only.

[@ertelmisegvaltastajobbolda7775]

1:12:00 Actually it wasn't the Chechens who made up the largest ethnic mafia. There was another race (or tribe) of people who constructed a way more prolific ethnic crime ring. Putin largely dismantled this ethnic mafia, but nonetheless they still have widespread influence. Please note that in the case of the US this ethnic mafia is already in place, and if nothing is done against them they will only become stronger.

[@paraguaymike5159]

Ah......the Oligarchs.

[@FranzVonGaart]

@@paraguaymike5159 Uhhh, no it's the reptiles obviously *sarcasm* glad to see people who know what's up

[@nemo2203]

@Boxcarcifer There was a strong Russian crime group, and next Georgian, their government kicked them out of their country, but I may be wrong.

[@nothanksnoname7567]

@@nemo2203 The one you replied to is a claimed member of the 'tribe'.

[@gringott12]

@elijah radio prophet He is part of t he problem I guess you don't get it. Every. Single. Time.

[@irvingandralphandchester5220]

Your joke reminds me of when I visited where I grew up in Darnica, Kiev, Ukraine where I went into a butcher shop and saw vitrines full of, well, nothing. Except for one, which was full of some kind of white sausage (maybe a kind of kalbsbratwurst). This would have been shortly before the breakup of the SU. Today there is some little wooden church where the statue of Lenin used to be and the butcher shop is gone. The land is levelled and during the day you can find the usual post-Soviet bazaar.

[@nosteponsnek-ic5ph]

This guys a unicorn. An engineer that's funny

[@yeoldmetalhead6592]

Nailed it!

[@xikano8573]

George Carlin would approve of Mr. Orlov's humor.

[@davidwilkie9551]

Too true The most powerful weapon is Truth

[@TreesAreCool206]

Watching in Jan of 2024 thinking this is right around the corner. I frequently wonder if I’ll regret staying in the US. Read the book “ The Fourth Turning is Here”, and Jim Richard’s, this will help prepare.

[@rolandboerhof9391]

Great talk! On suburbs 35:00 Watch Not just Bikes and Strongtowns

[@resilientfarmsanddesignstu1702]

As to your current profession, think about how your skills could be used in a post-collapse economy and how they could be marketed. Work to redesign yourself in that direction, strengthening any weaknesses that you uncover. As you gradually evolve into something more useful, use the money that you are earning to gain control over your critical life support system and make yourself and your family more sustainable and resilient. Next, focus on doing the same for your friends, neighbors and coworkers. Expand your circle of influence outward. Partner with others when it will be to your mutual benefit. Keep your guard up. Expect resistance. You will encounter it frequently. That’s when you really need your friends. Good luck on your journey and God bless!

[@silviamonz2062]

Wise words thank you

[@resilientfarmsanddesignstu1702]

Leave it to a Russian to make such a serious subject funny. Humor is always welcome and disarming. Cultivate it!

[@nathanland8246]

The absence of bread seems very significant from an Orthodox Eucharistic perspective as well.

[@davidmorton8332]

It stands up pretty well 11 years later. He's wrong about oil and house prices. But he's right about austerity, Brexit, Trump and the impact of COVID. It's a great watch.

[@therealscot2491]

Peak oil was only divertied because of shale but thats going under.

[@davidorourke4311]

To a small extent Oil prices have being kept somewhat more affordable by more Oil Exports from Iraq(more than expected) and the developing of the Kashkar Oil field in Kazakhstan since 2017

[@Withnail1969]

Oh he's not wrong about oil. Global production has peaked.

[@ShakespeareCafe]

Ha, $7 gasoline and 7% mortgage interest rates. I think he was and is spot on about both. This isn't a supply side problem with gasoline. It's the ponzi scheme of fracking which has only produced a less than promised oil bonanza. Fracking shale formations is in the end times. Resource depletion is real. Mexico will stop exporting oil in 2023 because their Super Giant field has been depleted.

[@sirlancelot836]

It's funny. Have read his stuff before, but never saw him do a speech. Of course this video is 11 years old. Still think it has some relevance in our current year of 2020. For anyone interested he covers security at 49:48. Be interesting to see what he thinks of our current situation ? Personally think the violence is going to be far greater.

[@jr1019]

read his article on the US collapse which will be out tomorrow.

[@danmoritz3319]

His assessment, based on tried and true processes, makes so much sense. Having mentally unstable, armed "friends", wink, wink, nearby, is sometimes a minus in normal society but quite valuable in unstable times of weakened central authority. The intimidation factor as sort of "growling, unhinged, instigating, attack dogs" often will smooth a pathway more efficiently than any other immediate method, and usually with zero actual harm being done, but ONLY in limited circumstances, with limited strategic uses, at other times 100% counterproductive. Those kind of "friends" are tools like fire- useful if managed and controlled, a disaster if not. His assessment of whom would make the transition most easily is also, right on the mark. Implied in all of this, is that some sort of partial or complete recovery will eventually come, but with changed rules of the game.

[@colincnote2120]

The rules of the game have been the same for 10,000 fucking years we need to stop letting elites run the world into the ground

[@user-nm9yg8kh2g]

15 years later, storing spending little how did that work out? He hates America moved back to Russia to raise family because USA is so bad for families. Obviously was a young boy with an admiration of the toughness of Russian society and right now is part of nation that of course is taking over the societal collapse of the Ukraine.

[@pabf2745]

Oil peak (energy collapse), military budger (arcs drain), trade deficit (industrial/farm/resources fail) + corrupt leaders (reaction hability) + people desired lifestile (social stability)

[@pabf2745]

BASIC: Food, shelter, transportation; security (& adjusted education, & hope)

[@escapefelicity2913]

It might be a REAL GOOD IDEA to put a date on this

[@utooblostmyothername]

@@heyyall9378 thank you!!

[@infinitive7654]

@Phoenix waaaaaa waaaaa waaaa

[@xrxs1020]

@@angelicinspirations "You have a total lack of empathy. Horrible, horrible person that you are. YOU are despicable." Hello pot! Call the kettle black much?

[@southernpoop]

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[@alexcarter8807]

@Phoenix Time to up your doses.

[@dickvolen4589]

Another thing. If you want to look at U.S. future look at South Africa's near past and current.

[@hannahphillips6036]

Love all Dmitry Orlovs work can’t wait to see the Quidnon

[@gringott12]

In the mid to later 70s, my brother and I discussed the trend in the USA as to the economy. We were in our twenties. One remark from my brother stuck with me: They intend to have an economy based on I wash your shirt, you polish my shoes, the other guy flips burgers. Obviously, a road to disaster. If two guys in their twenties figured out the plan/trend was doomed to huge failure, of course the people behind it knew as well.

[@BWV974_2]

@@angelobalbi 🤔

[@palmereldritch2631]

hilarious 😂 man's a natural...... also rip society

[@davidorourke4311]

Humanity will survive collapse of Industrialism within alot of the Western World, What is at least a toss up will the part of humanity in the Large Western Metro areas survive in any significant numbers and with something of a functional culture and maybe not in North America considering the increase in Drugs, Alcoholism, Mass Shootings, lack of Community, maybe amount of 5G Internet,etc.

[@davidorourke4311]

Have hope for other Society's even within Western World.(For example Iceland aims to have all electricty from renewable sources and much of it Geothermal Energy).

[@MagnumInnominandum]

When the "worker's paradise" stops working it is then fully achieved.

[@sravankumar7324]

Sick burns bruh.

[@Kobe29261]

. . . every time I consider falling in love, I'll return to watch this video - fantastic sanity rinse!

[@DBentonSmith]

I noticed that China could also lay claim (aspire to?) the same list of symmetries as SU US, although it's day in the sun as a true Super Power has not not yet quite been reached in modern times. If they hurry up perhaps they, too, can get this collapse thing done before the entire planetary human civilization thing becomes completely impossible.

[@ShakespeareCafe]

Covid showed we don't need residential colleges or skyscraper office jobs. We have the internet and online learning and meetings. Increasingly high energy costs make it a losing proposition to transport millions of office workers to and from their cubicles. $5-7 gasoline is here to stay. This isn't a supply side issue. It's the world running low on easily accessible oil. Fracking shale formations shows we're at the bottom of the barrel in reserves. The USA only has an estimated 25 billion barrels in reserves and burns a billion barrels each 50 days. We are definitely in peak oil but more importantly we are in the end times of mass oil use. It will have to be rationed to produce and transport food, not fill commuters' SUVS or millionaire's yachts.

[@MYCORONABOLOGNAPERSONA]

GRAVY.

[@alexcarter8807]

He's right about cargo bikes. I've moved 1000s of lbs of stuff with mine. I make my post office deliveries with it, have brought back furniture, do all kinds of hauling with mine. In my world, Silicon Valley, no one can afford to own and operate a car unless they managed to hold onto one from the before times.

[@gringott12]

Seems you are living and working in the wrong place. I don't work and I have four cars, a paid for house, no financial issues at all, zero debt and plenty of capital. I have traveled the world, if there was no plandemic I wouldn't have stopped. I was a low wage worker and retired for real at 58, it is all about money management IMHO. Obviously, since you live on the same land mass, just pedal your way out of the nightmare and go somewhere better. Why would you live as a peasant in this nation, by choice?

[@altideasfortomorrow]

Why do you even need four cars?

[@tacticalgaryvrgamer8913]

Love it. Stay Tactical!!!!!!!!!!!

[@SlyPigoftheMountains]

Is there a transcript?

[@mikec6733]

Being physically fit will be very important after the collapse. As a sedentary 62 year old cigarette smoker, I'm screwed.

[@joshuak5958]

This was recommended to me a day after the Fall of Kabul...

[@ParadigmBlaster]

Wow(!)...The "Aces and Eights" School of Personalized "JUSTICE"...right?

[@dylanreece7991]

I don't know when this was recorded, definitely not in 2020. Real Estate prices have not "continued to go down." Quite the opposite in fact.

[@infinitive7654]

They never thought she would lose.

[@conscious_being]

This was recorded in 2009. It is there in the info.

[@dylanreece7991]

@@conscious_being it’s still wrong.

[@johnjackson9767]

Real estate is in a bubble, once again, even larger than before.

[@davidpeppers551]

Wallstreet took that QE money and money from tax breaks, and money from COVID-19 relief and bought real estate. Print more money, get more inflation.

[@Addicted2OILau]

Corona brought me here.

[@wmc9722]

Drink up.

[@Larkinchance]

what should I do with my beeny baby collection?

[@paraguaymike5159]

Plant the beans. They are magic.

[@JoeHeine]

Burn for warmth?

[@thecookiechannel7083]

I dont recommend more than 10% Beeny Baby in your portfolio.

[@Larkinchance]

@@thecookiechannel7083 Put all the rest in boxed star war items?

[@ninahettema6427]

I would sew them into your clothing.

[@Texocracy]

**This is 2009. Description should be corrected.

[@intrograted792]

No it shouldn't. It's not a mistake. This is the Long Now Foundation. They've done it on purpose to reflect the far future (ie. If we're lucky enough to make it to, say, the year 20020).

[@Texocracy]

Intrograted Ok, well, it was already corrected. Description now states 2009.

[@intrograted792]

Sorry. I guess I misunderstood what you were referring to. My bad.

[@ant4160]

His observation of America's overinflated budget and rise in debt is spot on. But his solutions like community farming and shutting down production would be catastrophic and would inevitably speed up such a collapse.

[@daltanionwaves]

Free markets are a product of nature, they arise spontaneously and immediately anywhere human activity is found. It's interesting hearing someone speculate about solutions to problems they don't completely understand in economic terms. He's right that inflation is a problem, though he probably doesn't understand it's a consequence of central planning and market manipulation. And so he thinks there are central planning solutions. Which, as you point out, would exacerbate the shortages and broaden the destruction of lives, wealth, and property, which is generally a bad thing 😅 especially during times of population collapse.... And it seems that nearly 98% of everyone in modern society doesn't understand the coming consequences of population collapse. Because it's exponential, and exponential trends are not really intuitive to the human mind. For example, a negative GDP.

[@Len124]

This guy's a barrel of fuckin' laughs.

[@joshuak5958]

Morbid laughs, but yeah...

[@Len124]

​@@joshuak5958 Say you borrowed a few bucks from a guy and you pride yourself on paying your debts: would it be in poor taste to pay him or not to pay him back while he just so happens to be cueing up for the gallows?

[@joshuak5958]

@@Len124 It would be pretty dickish to give him money then- I'd probably pay his kids. I don't think I get your point, however.

[@Len124]

@@joshuak5958 Gallows humour; literally.

[@ParadigmBlaster]

"Diversity" really means "DIVISITY"(!)... It is an outgrowth of the time tested DIVIDE AND CONQUER(!)...school of human husbandry manipulation, breeding, processing, and consumption...the branding is always so much fun?

[@onewolfhowls7670]

Rude!!! Lol. I love sailing! I live on my boat!

[@davidorourke4311]

An other Interesting perspective on Collapse (Well specifically America's Collapse) is from the very knowledgeable Morris Berman. His analysis traces America's wrong turn actually all the way back to the late 1600,s and debates that even that far back that America made an entire way of life based around Hustling, Hustling was emphasis over all other values, even American democracy (according to Berman) was tied to Hustling, and finally in a Country or the world with is finite resources there is only so long in time a Society can have Hustling as the supreme value. Morris Berman also connects resource constraints kicking in harder and the recent political and civil unrest in America to basically the collapse of the American Dream. I,m not saying I fully agree with Morris Berman but this is his analysis. Lastly he has an interesting website www.morrisberman.blogspot.com

[@davidorourke4311]

@cqxmrvcoy I don't agree with morris on everything however he is right to point out that hustling and oppertunism dominating the culture as in alot of the early 21st Century world is not normal and the norm by historical standards is steady state economy and also not blind belief in Advanced Technologies or Transhumanism.

[@JoeHeine]

This must be a reupload, this is over ten years old

[@omg_wtf]

When was this?

[@c.saigir3456]

2009

[@flxjay8985]

Better have a look on experiences of disasters in America. The one most recent in Texas?

[@salvymemeguy998]

I'm here searching for Hockey comments(as a Caps fan)

[@johnburman966]

Based on African experience there will be a flight to bigger towns where pockets of the former life will survive, while the rest of the country slowly degenerates, services break down, nothing gets fixed. It's not a spectacular event, just slow collapse.

[@mendyboio3917]

History of climate, in the ice cores, shows a 5 degree celsius rise in temperature. As soon as the Artic ice is gone. There is no future.

[@rockstarofredondo]

This guy is pretty funny.

[@thomasdunham5427]

all the years of waste is catching up...

[@jackgoldman1]

I prefer the word "transformation". Humanity is always transforming. Especially in the past 200 years from 1800 to 2,000. Humanity added 6 billion more humans, which is the root of all problems. We can do better. Hopefully we will. If not, we will transform, in good or bad ways. Utopians worry me always changing and always malcontent with things being pretty good. Too many parasites, not enough producers. Too many over educated parasites. Protect yourself.

[@omg_wtf]

...and now for some good news...

[@maryevans7855]

He is brilliant! He is the one who would be able to help people to survive the collapse of American economy.

[@tomarthur676]

We now have a potato in the Whitehouse.

[@ninahettema6427]

C'mon, man. That's rather insulting to potatoes.

[@robertbelcher5068]

And its contentious whether the current potato is a downgrade or improvement on the previous president, a clown :/

[@davidtrindle6473]

Anyone, anyone, anyone is an improvement on criminal trump.

[@Jaysonbc1234]

@@davidtrindle6473 🤪🤪🤡🤡

[@livingyourlife3130]

Кто после Дмитрия Юрича?

[@irvingandralphandchester5220]

What would you suggest to Russia to become the replacement superpower now that the Untied Status is faltering? Immigration, to correct that dwindling population trend? Bring back some of the emigrees and their families? A new Silicon Valley and tax-free entrepreneurial area in Krim?

[@wmc9722]

As a plausible alternative to either the US or China in terms of global leadership, Russia is outmatched and outclassed. Putin lacks a positive, constructive vision for his own country, let alone the world. Putin’s diplomatic, military and strategic successes, notably in the Middle East, cannot disguise fundamental domestic weaknesses: chronic underinvestment, overreliance on energy export revenues, poor infrastructure and social provision, endemic corruption, rising political discontent, and a pervasive, fearful sense of state lawlessness. Putin has largely defined his foreign policy in disruptive opposition to the US and the EU - by slavishly befriending China, courting Eurosceptic east Europeans, meddling in the Balkans, backing outlier regimes such as Iran, selling arms to anybody who asks, manipulating other people’s elections (and his own), and generally subverting democratic states'. My opinion: Simon Tisdall, October 19, 2019.

[@rockstarofredondo]

Dave Cockayne Do you reaIIy beIieve Putin wiII move against those oIigarchs when he works cIoseIy with said tr;be?

[@deborahdean8867]

Americans survived the total collapse of the Great Depression without social collapse. Europe survived their even worse economic depression without social collapse. That's an obvious truth. It wasnt the communist system that saved russia from social collapse. Mutual cooperation within society endures social survival. In America the churches do as much charity as the government. And local governments have more flexibility in responding to needs and changes than in a totalitarian system or a centralized system.

[@TheNoblot]

The American century is Over / since 1989 and the end of history by American political scientist Francis Fukuyama shows the facts of today the entrepreneurs of the west believed on a fiction, and eat the illusion of FUKUYAMA. This fact has giving the possibility of a soft landing for America & the entrepreneurs & bankers the west created since 1776. They did not understood the wheel 🎡 of time today they don't either.😥 Reason why you got Crazy TRUMP USELESS OBAMA & CRIMINAL BUSH front page 📄 CLINTON as American presidents tailored to sink the nation & they have😉🤗 Joe Biden🦼 is the last pope if you like. Look to the bright 🔆 future & the third renaissance 🎨🖼🎭🎪🎞🎹🎵✍ for the mind & the spirit 🤗🧐👽😇

[@Withnail1969]

The Great Depression was by no means a total collapse. Total collapse is when there's no more cheap energy to run the economy.

[@alexcarter8807]

The USA came close to a much-needed revolution in the Great Depression until its ass was saved by FDR. It was indeed what you'd call "communism" that saved Russia and saved the US.

[@deborahdean8867]

@@alexcarter8807 the economy was recovering by the end of 1930 I believe. ..... employment had improved steadily .....until the government stepped in . Another thing about the depression era was the long drought out west. The government was helpful there as they promoted large scale land husbandry/farming techniques. It's why we have trees planted around fields today.

[@porcudracului]

​@@deborahdean8867wrong on all accounts.

[@CCCPCHRISTIANE]

How does he imagine the territorial division of the United States after the collapse? Will California and Texas be independent countries? Will the WASP create their own country in the north?

[@therealscot2491]

The wasps will gi were ever they need too its irrelivent we will do what ever we must to survive.

[@davidorourke4311]

Interestingly alot of the North has more German Americans than English Americans specicly a belt from Indiana to the Dakota's and Also Pennsylvania. This may eventually influence new boundaries in the North East and Upper Midwest.

[@wmc9722]

@@davidorourke4311 Call you writ Irish?

[@davidorourke4311]

@@wmc9722 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Americans

[@wmc9722]

Me too. Emil (b.1880) left Germany for America.

[@truthaboveall7988]

Elon stole ur X logo 😂

[@elitejeffrey3719]

7 Minutes in lonely and drunk sounds like Nancy Pulaski

[@suewarman9287]

22222 views? yeah, right!

[@loanshark1757]

A problem with the United States is that everything has to be packaged and branded so as to appeal to the consumer. Even the most logical practices need to be "evangelised" in a cozy and appealing manner. A nation growing up on a propaganda diet of Rambo and terminator movies will never find it easy to practice many of things in this talk. The 400 year old legacy issues will further complicate the issues beyond amelioration. This country is in serious need of some serious culture. That will be a hard task.

[@thecookiechannel7083]

Does civilization collapse or just governments? Is it obvious, or does it take 100 years to decline? Those who can save during good times, will always be better off in bad.

[@thecookiechannel7083]

@Kit I didnt use the plural. Lots of governments have failed without civilization collapsing. Some would argue we still have civilization.

[@thecookiechannel7083]

@Kit my stupid point is that just cause you have hard times does not mean all order and civil cooperation necessarily ends. What Demitry talks about wont necessarily lead to a major collapse of civilization AKA mad max.

[@thecookiechannel7083]

@Kit and so very many havent

[@thecookiechannel7083]

@Kit I guess I dont know enough history. Which ones are you talking about that collapsed in less than one life time?

[@thecookiechannel7083]

I apologize as I appear to be wrong. Looking into it, What I considered to be government collapse are often classified as civilization collapse.

[@dfs20111984]

Shit! We are screwed. Mad max for USA

[@daltanionwaves]

Liberals so completely misunderstood guns as survival tools, and as a means to democratize self-defense to the most weak and vulnerable, even against the strongest oppressors and criminals. The main difference between a slave and a citizen, is the citizen is allowed to defend themselves against violence and exploitation.. He sees gun ownership as a negative, but also advocates post-collapse militias, so long as the militias are restricted to corrupt police officers and psychologically unstable ex-military... It makes sense to someone who is completely unfamiliar with the actual reality of these things through life experience or analysis of data, and bases their understanding and ideas about them on the political dogma they've learned over the years. At least the ignorance of people like this, will provide an advantage to the rest of us in a post-collapse society. Especially those who understand the economics of free markets (black markets) that inevitably become the primary means of trade for free people.

[@lv8708]

54:40

[@vaydaimages]

Ignorance is instantaneous ;))

[@TheNoblot]

The American century is Over / since 1989 and the end of history by American political scientist Francis Fukuyama shows the facts of today the entrepreneurs of the west believed on a fiction, and eat the illusion of FUKUYAMA. This fact has giving the possibility of a soft landing for America & the entrepreneurs & bankers the west created since 1776. They did not understood the wheel 🎡 of time today they don't either.😥 Reason why you got Crazy TRUMP USELESS OBAMA & CRIMINAL BUSH front page 📄 CLINTON as American presidents tailored to sink the nation & they have😉🤗 Joe Biden🦼 is the last pope if you like. Look to the bright 🔆 future & the third renaissance 🎨🖼🎭🎪🎞🎹🎵✍ for the mind & the spirit 🤗🧐👽😇

[@IAMschizoaffective]

Spooky.

[@alexcarter8807]

What I find interesting is, if this is a lecture from a year ago, where is the large beard Dmitry had grown a year ago? Where is the mention, even in passing, of the covid pandemic? And, a year ago, travel was quite restricted, and yet Dmitry was still jet-setting around? This reminds of of "new" documentaries supposedly shot in, say, 2019, but everyone's watching CRT TVs and no one's got a smart phone. I just watched a docu supposedly about 6 months old, about Hitler's fiancee, where I recognize the voice of the narrator from the 90s. I think this is part of the 'hypernormalisation' the US is undergoing. In the case of Dmitry's lectures, it really doesn't matter if they're a year old or a decade, they're all good. If there's any update to this probably 10-year-old lecture, it's that Dmitry's been surprised lately to find that the US has not been following the stages of collapse he originally outlined, but had chosen to collapse sociologically first.

[@steventdavies]

This was recorded in 2009

[@jomow9335]

Did he say donkeys? 🤣 What about war? Is war still an option? (dark humor)

[@alexcarter8807]

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume this lecture is actually from 2010 or 2011, not from last year. And, the economy slowed down so much out here in California, I remember there being more horse traffic than car traffic on the roads by where I was living.

[@ertelmisegvaltastajobbolda7775]

The guy makes some good points, but ultimately sees everything form an economic point of view. This is the weakness of his argument. In the case of the US it won't just be the state collapsing, but the whole culture collapsing. Orlov doesn't really account for this in his narrative. One should augment this by reading such works as the Fourth Turning or listening to 3rd positionist critiques that have recently been made.

[@YoungChunds]

He breaks down the collapse of all societies into 5 parts, with culture being one of them. He’s stated that cultural collapses are usually the last stage to happen, but in the case of the US it happened first. You really think you had some novelty point bringing up culture lol

[@JoeHeine]

Alpine Clan this is correct.

[@gringott12]

Don't read his book, it is a real mess. If I could distill his nonsense and lack of perception of the facts, he advocates a type of lower case "c" communism with localized independence, something like the failed kibbutz movement in Israel. If you want true insight into what really makes civilizations collapse, read "Sex & Culture" written in the early 1930s.

[@gringott12]

@@YoungChunds This guy is a mentally disorganized person, just read his book. Total mess.

[@panchitaobrian1660]

oh, how nice of him to cite "Soviet government" that gave the terrible non-bread to starving people of Leningrad. Yes, when German and Finnish nazis kept the city in a blokade. The anti-soviet people are always russophobes deeply inside, and they never learn. What he is saying about the prosperous Russian Empire and the criminal Soviet collectivization are another exemples of his utter incompetence in everything that has to do with the real Russian history. But yeah, he is much better than the American analysists, not that it is a difficult thing

[@unchiekun]

1:20:22 poor do best

[@tacticalgaryvrgamer8913]

When you fed the donkey the WSJ you lowered yourself to the same level as your enemies. Rise above the biaS my friend

[@Matt-oq4jq]

lol

[@Zedzian23]

Dmitry Orlov: Author, Futurist, Linguist, Propagandist, Chief Troll at Internet Research Agency, St. Petersburg, Russia

[@12over7]

This is why every able bodied conservative should be an active part of their local militia. Don’t believe the propaganda, most militias are not racist blood-thirsty whakkos. Be part of a community that can help your community when this happens

[@funny-video-YouTube-channel]

Fun presentation that was based on the idea that mineral oil was the basis of wealth. We now have very cheap solar power, wind power, hydro power. + Electric cars, buses and trains for transportation solve many issues that he feared.

[@MR-tn5kv]

epSos.de - it isn’t cheap. In California, Germany, prices doubled with solar & wind. One reason it isn’t cheap is because, unfortunately, it isn’t reliable, so you always need an alternate, RELIABLE backup power source.

[@pierredecayron1304]

I'm sorry, but i just wanted to say i think you are so wrong, Oil are so important in the current system, solar and wind power are too small and not good enought to maintain the system by themself. you are fooling yourself if you think Electric car will fix the problem. Maybe i'm wrong but just wanted to make you think cause i felt your comment was so obviously wrong.

[@SuperLammens]

what have you been smoking?

[@xrxs1020]

"We now have very cheap solar power, wind power.....," which constitutes a drop in the bucket.

[@johnjackson9767]

Energy is a very small percentage of what oil covers in industrialized society.

[@user-go7in7rw7r]

Agente duplo kkkkkk não me convenceu kkkkk

[@Flitalidapouet]

I think going to live in another country is way better. Russia, Malaysia, Indonesia are good examples.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

The Pravda-eating donkey is worth the whole talk.

[@michaelbdougherty]

Fun, but almost certainly wrong. The British Empire went bankrupt, and lost its Empire in two wars they nominally “won” and yet they did not see roving bands of former police extorting them. The US has become much more inventive at energy extraction at home, and lowering carbon use (slowly). Even while it’s politics become stupider.

[@elitejeffrey3719]

What's he talking multitudes of people died under the Soviet Union?

[@elitejeffrey3719]

Look it up in history there were also those that were murdered and those that were killed with experimentation

[@elitejeffrey3719]

This is the type of jerk that would have supported the Russian sleep experiment

[@NoPrivateProperty]

trump should go into the fentanyl business. how poetic would that be?

[@alexcarter8807]

Who knows what he's running on ... it's pretty well established that his hero Hitler was running on a potent cocktail of drugs, it's a thing with dictators.

[@jt4369]

Housing prices will continue to head lower….he said. This speech did not age well, ten years later.

[@cosmothewonderdog8602]

Hopefully he bought bitcoin with the proceeds.

[@patricksullivan2816]

This man is completely humorless. Dead pan delivery.

[@TheNoblot]

you also have to understand that the American colony has English as its language, therefore they are not real Americans as a fact they are imported fellows for a particular purpose 🤔 Mr ORLOV therefore do not expect any bright wisdom, from 1492/1776 pilgrims, they are what they are 😥

[@panchitaobrian1660]

he is brilliant now when speaking of USA but all his ideas about the demise of the USSR are wrong. He couldn´t know a lot of information and documents that came to public years later and in the years of "perestroyka" and the collapse of his country he was just one of many russophobic liberals, like a lot of other Soviet "dissidents". The smartest of them came eventually to realisation of how wrong they were, the rest - not so much. Orlov is one of the smart ones, but it is so unpleasant to admit your own wrongdoings...

[@davidtrindle6473]

I don’t think he knows what he’s talking about.

[@TheNoblot]

THE COLLAPSE OF AMERICA IS ON NO WAY OUT 🧐👽 ⏳ EUROPE BETTER GET IT TOGETHER BEFORE IS TOO LATE🤔 JOE BIDEN IS THE LAST POPE & after him is the renaissance of America 🌎 how soon 🔜 ⏳🤔 In Europe is the Artistic & spirituals renaissance after the plague as predicted 🎨🖼🎭🎶🎵 time ⌚ timing ⏳🤔😉🧐👽😇

[@TheNoblot]

The American century is Over / since 1989 and the end of history by American political scientist Francis Fukuyama shows the facts of today the entrepreneurs of the west believed on a fiction, and eat the illusion of FUKUYAMA. This fact has giving the possibility of a soft landing for America & the entrepreneurs & bankers the west created since 1776. They did not understood the wheel 🎡 of time today they don't either.😥 Reason why you got Crazy TRUMP USELESS OBAMA & CRIMINAL BUSH front page 📄 CLINTON as American presidents tailored to sink the nation & they have😉🤗 Joe Biden🦼 is the last pope if you like. Look to the bright 🔆 future & the third renaissance 🎨🖼🎭🎪🎞🎹🎵✍ for the mind & the spirit 🤗🧐👽😇

[@brandonwalters9437]

The sympathetic communist.