Kpop hard to swallow pills it's time to accept

[@starzies]

The Wonho opinion is spot on. Ppl complain the industry only cares about looks then objectify the hell out of idols.

[@2FullMoons]

I stan Wonho since his MX days and I swear even in the interviews he does there ALWAYS has to be a question about his body. But to be fair, Wonho does seem to play a lot into it with all the content he provides to his fans, so I don’t think he minds it, on the contrary. But I do think that it’s super weird to stan an artist just for their body. And he’s so talented too, he literally makes ALL his music, but not many talk about that.

[@anyone1111]

@@2FullMoons exactly! And it’s more prevalent with men… very questionable and devastating imo because we know that’s not okay but with male idols it’s just normalized… like objectifying honestly

[@starzies]

@@2FullMoons yea same, i have no problem with him being proud of his physique and wanting to show it off but i'd like more people to talk about his music too. Im obsessed with Eye On You.

[@lynxyyy]

yeah

[@roter13]

I personally think that Wonho doesn't mind the objectification. He plays into it a lot.

[@_lady_melz]

I always felt bad for Bahiyyih since gp999, I liked her and thought she had potential but I could tell that her own fans were pushing her off a cliff. She didn’t have a lot of training or experience going into the show and her supporters kept pushing her to a pedestal that was unattainable and they still do. But she still does her best with what she’s given so I respect that

[@sur_un_nuage]

during gp999 i said that i like bahiyyih a lot and i would love to see her debut but i’m not sure if i want her to debut in the final lineup of gp999 because she was receiving a lot of hate and her fans started replying to the tweet i made about her telling me they want her to debut in the gp999 group despite everything and now they want her to leave kep1er or for kep1er to disband like they don’t even stan the group she was in so i keep thinking i was right about how i felt luckily kep1er is a temporary group

[@Forever_Soul]

@@norabeckwith6893 She's a TROLL 😁

[@waverteu]

@@norabeckwith6893 She is literally just a troll and nothing else

[@aangisbestboi3984]

no one puts her on a pedestal you people are just so in denial that she can actually be talented at something because of all the false narratives you people make abt her

[@Forever_Soul]

@@aangisbestboi3984 Fans do casually use the word talented

[@2FullMoons]

Your take on how the girl crush concept is held in such high regards compared to any other concept is so true. I even noticed that with the hate IVE gets for their soft femininity concept. They are called untalented because of their stage performances when actually their concept does not entail them doing backflips and swinging their hands all over the place. Their choreos are meant to be delicate and elegant which is difficult to achieve too, yet when other groups do girl crush, they get praised for it just because their stage is more energetic even if in reality their execution is not good. And I see this mostly coming from western fans where a more intense form of femininity is popular nowadays, because koreans and that part of the world love IVE and their soft approach to femininity, that’s why they resonated so much with the public, there is a market for that. It’s kinda like the stereotype we see pushed here in the west in movies and tv shows where it’s always the pretty, delicate and feminine girl that is seen as dumb, untalented and b*tchy and the edgy, more masculine girl is the good one. Why can’t we just appreciate how diverse this generation of girl groups is and call it a day?

[@soft4taeng]

Yeah you’re absolutely right and it’s so ridiculous for people to expect ive to have crazy dance breaks and things like that, because such choreos would just be SO weird and out of place for their elegant concept. They have proven they can pull off hard hitting choreos if they want, but just because they don’t usually do them it doesn’t mean they are any less talented, it’s just a matter of concept.

[@vixxexo6855]

Gfriend, IZ*ONE and Apink have also done feminine concepts, but they actually have members with talent. Like Gfriend have hard dances and all of them can dance and Yuju is one of the best kpop vocalists. Apink have Eunji and Namjoo who are decent vocalists and the others can also sing. IZ*ONE even if they had deadweight like Hyewon and one and only most overrated Wonyoung they still had Yuri who could sing and Chaeyeon and Eunbi who are great dancers, they also had Yena who is a decent allrounder. While IVE does not have any particular talented person. The most talented are Yujin and Liz and even then their talent is not that special. Liz and Yujin are just lead vocalist material and Gaeul is mid for a main dancer. The rensning members especially Wonyoung and Leeseo have no talents.

[@2FullMoons]

@@vixxexo6855 being the most talented or having what you call ‘special talent’ is irrelevant, if the artist uses what they have to reach people then that’s all that matters. Not everybody is born with incredible vocal abilities but that does not mean they can’t become singers. Some of the most beautiful music out there is sung and created by mediocre vocalists and it still manages to touch people. If talent is the only thing that you care about then go watch talent competitions or artists that have what you want and leave the rest for the ones that enjoy it. As for the IVE girls, they are all at least decent and some have a lot of potential to develop further.

[@chuckles613]

@Vixx Exo lol what a lengthy comment with no substance. Ive is just as talented as their peers. This false equivalency is just ridiculous. The whole point was that ppl discredit Ive because they are not girl crush, and here you are doing the same thing. Was wy not in the dance line of izone which had very intricate choreography? Obviously as 1st place she is talented. It wouldn't kill you to admit Ive is a talented group, no reason to pretend otherwise

[@Emmacoffee8]

You just absolutely explain this whole thing so well👏🏻👏🏻 I noticed it too, like not a lot of people are into the feminine, elegant concepts and it's sad. I really love these concepts a lot. People are something else yes

[@chenles_defender]

The part about rigging is so true, even in award ceremonies. In Mamas for example, I once saw comments about how one specific group wasn't nominated for best male group category and calling Mnet "snakes" and "riggers" for not nominating them, when in reality their album sales and digitals were weak compared to the already nominated groups. As long as your faves don't win anything, every award is rigged.

[@kangtaehyun5165]

ur name?

[@gracetoleafoabossmann]

what's up with your name? what did mark haechan and jeno ever do to you?

[@chenles_defender]

What does my username have to do with my comment?

[@kangtaehyun5165]

@@chenles_defender well your username definitely stands out and is hateful

[@straykidscravity7289]

Your name 😑

[@thatcoolchicken8405]

And also the 8th one. Yes, TXT of course got a lot of attention fir their debut because they are under BTS company. But I also think that if a group truly makes bad music and doesn’t stand out, they will genuinely not make it far doesn’t matter what company they are from (like some JYP groups). So of course the company’s image is a good booster but its also very important to be talented and able to compete with other groups. TXT proved that.

[@leviberg2377]

If you’re referring to NMIXX, they’re monster rookies still. So you’re wrong 🤣 O.O has over 100,000,000 Spotify streams and they won an award at MAMA. So don’t start with false info.

[@Y2Kvrina]

@@leviberg2377mixx have zero impact compared to rookie groups like nj lesserafim Ive and he’ll even KEP1ER o.o did not chart well or view well the won rookie of the year at mama nothing else Second of all there are multiple groups under JYP who people think don’t make good music but are only listened to cuz their under JYPE no one mentioned nmixx u did so clearly says enough about what u think about them.

[@leviberg2377]

@@Y2Kvrina This is once again false. NMIXX won the Hot Stage Award at Inkigayo and an award at MAMA. As I stated earlier, their Spotify is popping off and they are known among idols for their performances. O.O was charting again in Korea a few months after it came out because their performances were going viral. So no, they don't have zero impact, and you'll see that in 2023 they'll do even better than in 2022.

[@leviberg2377]

@@Y2Kvrina And also, the reason I brought up NMIXX is because they've gotten so much unnecessary and unwarranted hate. Same for ITZY. Both groups get hate for making music that many people like.

[@Y2Kvrina]

@@leviberg2377 I never said that they had zero impact I said compare to their rookie groups their “achievements” are nothing compared to theirs. NMIXX is 100% known for their vocal capabilities as well as dance and rap and yet I promise you almost ALL ppl will tell you that their music sucks.. the only decent song in their discography is dice and yes it’s hard to judge since they only have like 4 songs but still. Like I said o.o did not chart very well it charted just not that well

[@femboywonho8637]

wonho literally has so many videos showing off his talents. its heartbreaking alwys seeing the body comments. comment on his stage presence. his body control with his movements. his laugh and his smile. how amazing his happiness is

[@Won_core]

Frr, I've never heard him sing before, but his stage presence looks cool👍

[@PrincessNana08]

The Bahiyyih part is so true, like you're setting up exxpectation for other people that Bahiyyih can't meet and ultimately that would only come back to bite her

[@deanxzayn1408]

No6. IVE. Like they have the digitals, music show wins, paks, raks, sales, virality, and literally every kpop person knows all their songs and know the dance and yet people say they were rigged to win?!?!!. I get kakao is suspicious and stuff but IVE got the receipts while you don’t

[@mokalicious_s]

You have a point Bringing down other groups while saying your faves are amazing is wrong Like what about “ this concept/ music style stands out to me” “Their visuals are unique” “I prefer these types of songs and that’s why I stan them” Positive to your favs without being negative to others

[@TooSpicyForYourHeart_]

Fr Bahiyyih stans are the ones most people dislike compared to Bahiyyih herself

[@ericjiayu7408]

i think anyone really hates her, it's more about her fandom and the way she ended up debuting...

[@Ososkkisksksmssmsmssmssms]

Bahiyyih stans gotta chill tf out, when anybody comment on Bahiyyihs skills them stans think you’re just a hater who hates Bahiyyih and it’s sad.

[@2yj1stfan]

@@ericjiayu7408 she ended up debuting because people voted for her just like how yujin got into the group because ppl voted for her, not liking her fans does not give ppl a reason to dislike her💀

[@ericjiayu7408]

@@2yj1stfan she had a (false) vote manipulation scandal, she didn't enter the top 9 during the show, she didn't have screentime (mnet fault).... it isn't the same case as yujin. i'm not justifying the haters but it's important to know what is happening

[@lorelai4731]

@@2yj1stfan No Yujin earned her votes through her own hardwork and the years she put in CLC. bahiyyih just made her popular brother show up in a survival show and suddenly his fans are mass voting for her to make him happy. It's not the same.

[@Jump1ng666]

THIS. Literally straight up FACTS. Well done video, just enjoy the music, nothing wrong with disliking a group, but it has to be a legit reason and not like "copy, boring, shit" etc.

[@ruum9]

Pill 5 reminds me of RV lol, when happiness dropped everyone agreed that it was rushed and a hot mess, people were even hating on them for "stealing f(x) spotlight", but it still charted so well. Cuz they're an SM group afterall

[@radioactive_baby]

Hiyyih is such a sweetheart and doesn't deserve the hate that she gets and, while I'm sure the fans mean well, there is going to be people who disagree. Opinions are fine as long as they aren't rude for no reason, or bullying or threatening Hiyyih. When she was selected to be in the line up, there was a ton of people making petitions to remove her from the group, along with people literally sending her death threats

[@Imsickoftrynapickauser]

I never understood all the hype for Bahiyyih she's overall basic in pretty much everything. I think the only reason she stands out is cause she looks different from everyone else other than that shes not really the best dancer or singer.

[@ruum9]

It's definitely because of the shit mnet put her through.

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

Completely agree

[@Imsickoftrynapickauser]

@@norabeckwith6893 oh I'm not a bahiyyih hater I think she's a good person but her skills are severely over hyped

[@norabeckwith6893]

@@Imsickoftrynapickauser oh ok my mistake

[@Forever_Soul]

@@Imsickoftrynapickauser Bahiyyih is not someone you will hate but her toxic fans...💀

[@polar7335]

Your opinion on Bahiyyih just sounds like you’re justifying the hate she gets. “Her fans may be defending her but that makes others more upset so maybe just sit back and let her get dragged!” Is what you’re implying. If I comment “Bahiyyih is such a great vocalist” I have Kepler fans saying, “no she isn’t x member is better”. If I say “I love Bahiyyih’s dance lines!” A Kepler responds “she’s the worst dancer” I do not have to mention another Kepler member with Bahiyyih praise and Kepler fans will insert their fav into the conversation. Me saying Bahiyyih it girl, Bahiyyih main vocal is in retaliation of Kepler fans and antis saying she is talentless. Bahiyyih has lost all her confidence since her show and being in this group so if me “over hyping” her skills makes her feel appreciated I’ll continue to do it.

[@kawtheralbardawil8993]

I swear that always happens I think they want us to say oh yes your right my bad that’s Member is much better than her what I was thinking about 😊 ?

[@blackbear7624]

She is basic. She isn’t main vocal, her tehnique is bad still. saying she is main vocal shows how deaf you are

[@TT-ee1vv]

Agreed

[@Everythingz127]

N.o 3 is just stupid, how can you call your idol a trendsetter when you bash anyone who follows his/her trends in the end, making you idol lose the title of trend setters. That's just stupid.

[@Welchs-Fruit-Snacks]

T H I S .

[@gojo6418]

Yeah hypocrite if you ask me

[@mytime4798]

bruh the one with new jeans is so true since they came out with music no one is kpop has done before, people started hyping them up and started gatekeeping their sound and etc.. but they forget that kpop is literally black music 💀 So really we're the ones that did it first.

[@sur_un_nuage]

bahiyyih has such a lovely stage presence like it’s just enjoyable and she has sooooooo much potential in my opinion like she could be a very well balanced idol if she is given more room to show her talent 🥲 literally no need to overhype her because she deserves respect regardless of whether she is the best or not, she’s still pretty good

[@HappySunrise98]

The Wonho one is so true. If people were to comment on a female idol’s body, there would be an uproar. But it’s completely fine and normalised to do the same to male idols. Double standards

[@isimpforjihyo3243]

6:11 * cough**cough * so much Liz and geaul Stan’s to wonyoung * cough* cough*

[@soft4taeng]

But it’s mostly just people that token stan Gaeul and Liz only to hate on Wonyoung, those are not real Dives.

[@isimpforjihyo3243]

@@soft4taeng damn right

[@ky_piece]

Hey now, I've been a Wonho fan since MX, his music is good asf & he seems like a pretty cool guy!! The objectifying is really annoying though so agreed

[@gabdongipark]

I swear you cant talk about a woman body without sexualizing them nowadays but for Wonho it is okay apparently. Like he is more than a body

[@ky_piece]

@@gabdongipark Yuppp, double standards

[@kawaiibev]

Wonho is an incredibly talented idol. The man can sing, dance, on top of that his stage presence is powerful without trying too hard.

[@pamela6817]

i was the first person to defend hiyyih, and still am cause her haters are s1ck in the head but what you said is very much true. i do think she is talented ofc, but she's not the most talented of her group and that's OKAY. she's jut one year in her career with barely any proffesional training, and she's doing great and improving. her stans need to love her as she is and stop with the inferiority complex bc it seems like they're always trying to prove her haters wrong rather than just loving her for the growing talents she currently has... it's weird.

[@aangisbestboi3984]

you people put out so many false narratives abt hiyyih, then get mad when her fans try to fight back on those.

[@pamela6817]

@@aangisbestboi3984 trust me i was there since day one of gp999 defending her😭

[@aangisbestboi3984]

@@pamela6817 then you should one, know how and why hiyyihlights came to be like this and two, shouldn’t be so comfortable downplaying her talents just because reptilians don’t wanna admit that she’s better at something compared to the other girls

[@pamela6817]

@Aang is best boi i know well why her solo stans ended up the way they are and i understand. also i never downplayed her talents i literally said she is always improving ???

[@thatcoolchicken8405]

HEAVY on the 5th one!! I’ve noticed this soooo many times. Like a big artist publishes a song that isnt good but still wins over less known groups in music shows and even win a Dapsang or something just because they are mor known. It pisses me off becuase people are just liking a song because of the artist and not because of the lyrics, melodie, meaning etc.

[@blackbear7624]

That’s the messed up thing about kpop fandom culture. They take the artist’s achievements as their achievements. So the only thing they care about is wins, views, and etc instead of the music itself. Like people literally has a stream party where they play the songs 24h nonstop on their unused device to increase streams. Like tell me that’s not bot behaviour

[@Dollie_Punk]

I agree on the Wonho situation. His vocals are amazing and he proved that with some of hi songs like "Lose". I will admit that Wonho is hella attractive but he's more than just his looks. The only time I've ever spoken up about his looks is when ppl were bashing the photos he was posting of himself on Instagram when it was his personal account for one and it's his body and if he chooses to post pictures of himself in more revealing things then that's his choice and his choice alone and ppl just need to stfu and let him do his thing. And with the Bahiyyih thing, I feel like she can never really catch a break. First ppl always compare her to her brother when she's her own person with her own personality and her own way of presenting herself as an idol but I think some ppl need to stop holding her on such a big pedestool because not only does that taint their own image as her fans, it taints hers as well as the ppl who go out of their way to shit on her will find the smallest thing that they find as a flaw as an excuse to shit on her more.

[@kaehui_]

I completely disagree with the Bahiyyih opinion. I feel like when you say that a fandom is setting up their fave, you’re kind of in advertently saying that because of the fact that the fandom is setting up their fave that the hate that person is receiving as somewhat justified whether you meant that or not, that’s just the implication that comes off. I mean since pre-debut Bahiyyih it’s gotten so much hate, so no I don’t really see it to be that big of a deal that they’re “overhyping” her. For whatever reason I see this opinion a lot, and I think that the energy that y’all give to this should be more directed towards Bahiyyih antis and ot8 Kep1ians that shit on her constantly. Because if you see a hiyylight saying that Bahiyyih is the best singer or a dancer in Kep1er and you don’t agree, you can literally just ignore, it but you can’t ignore someone comparing her to a horse or someone literally slut shaming her. I just don’t get why most of the energy isn’t being put towards her antis, because no matter what they shouldn’t be hating on her, because she literally hasn’t done anything.

[@soft4taeng]

I totally didn’t mean to say the hate on her is justified because it isn’t, not at all. This girl has done absolutely nothing to deserve such backlash, but what i’m trying to say is that overhyping her is not the solution. Some of her stans choose to overpraise her and bring other members down to uplift her, which just makes her antis more mad and this only ends up backfiring on Bahiyyih who’s already getting a lot of hate as it is.

[@soft4taeng]

@mindy:) I have no problem with people praising her for her talents, it's just that i've seen many of her toxic solo stans saying things like "she should be in the dance line instead of..." or "she's actually the one who deserves to be the center instead of..." and this is just absurd. OT8 stans are awful for discrediting her and i have called them out in the past, but toxic Bahiyyih stans are just as bad.

[@renrin_]

@@soft4taeng I'm looking at the comments and you have a whole lot of people justifying her getting hate and I have to say it's pretty fcked up that you guys are letting it happen. It almost as if, you do agree she should get hate! But ot8 stans have a rule in their group to not bring up her mental health and dont care if she decides to harm herself, how is that the same as a hiyyih fan saying bahiyyih is talented? Nah, you got it wrong. Xiaoting fans are the ones who say she should be the center instead of chaehyun. Bahiyyih fans will want everything for hiyyih as will every other fan. Dayeon fans complaining she doesnt have a dance break despite getting everything else in the group. Like every kepler fan is toxic and you guys just like to make excuses on reasons why the hate is justified because why are you here saying, well I love her but she deserves it because her fans are annoying?

[@aangisbestboi3984]

@@soft4taeng literally nothing “toxic” hiyyihlights have done are comparable to the things antis (aka keplians) have done

[@Welchs-Fruit-Snacks]

4. True asf I haven't listened to any of his songs in over 8 months 😭😭 And most kpoppies nowadays only talk about looks.

[@ONLY1JAYJAY]

kai sister fans have the tendency to bring down every other member to bring her up. not to mention they kept spamming #disbandkep1er cuz she got last in a line distribution. But stayed silent when yeseo was literally not even noticed/ignored during queendom era. Y’all don’t care about her, y’all just like her name.

[@Tkara8]

Nah the bahiyyih take is BAD. Im not a fan of her or kepler in general. I never watched girls planet so im speaking as an outsider but it’s absolutely ridiculous the amount of hate she receives for no reason and if her fans want to hype her up and call her the best then let them??? That is NO excuse to hate on her?? Like it’s unbelievable that kpop stans will use fans hyping up their favs as an excuse to hate on an idol. By you saying her fans “set up her” by hyping her up is literally validating all the toxic kpop stans that hate on her. Instead of calling out her fans for hyping her up, maybe call out the toxic fans??? Like bffr.

[@soft4taeng]

I have called out Bahiyyih haters and i'm also gonna call out toxic Bahiyyih stans cause both are at fault, also let's not forget how some of her toxic stans praise her while also bringing the other members down, because that happens way too frequently. Of course there are many Bahiyyih antis out there and those people are awful, but let's not act as if her stans were all saints.

[@Tkara8]

@@soft4taeng nah now you are bringing up stuff that you never even brought up in the video. If you wanted to call them out for their toxicity then you would have. But you wanted to call her stans out for supporting her. Tbh the only ppl that would be upset about that are antis. You cannot justify what you said in the video by bringing up unrelated facts to derail the argument but nice try. I also dont understand how you and other kpop stans can justify hating on an idol just because their fans are toxic. Its such a childish and immature mindset. The hate Bahiyyih received is ONLY the fault of toxic stans. Her fans arent the reason she get hate because she was hated since the beginning if im not mistaken. Idk exactly what has happened in fanwars but she hasnt dont anything to deserve hate at all. Stop excusing toxic behavior. Period.

[@soft4taeng]

@@Tkara8 If anything, the immature mindset in question is treating anybody that calls out her toxic stans a Bahiyyih anti. Apparently now we can only call out Bahiyyih haters but we can never call out Bahiyyih toxic solo stans cause that makes us haters... Also i'm pretty sure you never watched my videos because i have defended Bahiyyih many times, ever since she was hated on GP999 and everytime she was accused of nepotism, so it's pretty funny that you think i anti her.

[@TT-ee1vv]

@@Tkara8 The fact that OP is always making videos calling out Hiyyihlights since gp999 time but yet hasn't addressed the massive hate she gets is really hilarious. Their comments are full of ppl calling Bahiyyih talentless yet they are only confronting ppl who don't agree with the take on Bahiyyih.

[@Tkara8]

@@soft4taeng i really think you lack critical thinking skills bc how do you come to the conclusion that i said no one is allowed to call out toxic solos or that i think you are an anti?? Based on what? Bc i said maybe dont attack fans for non toxic behavior? Or bc i said that ppl getting mad when stans hype their favs is anti behavior, which is it bc why does that bother you? My whole point is that u called out bahiyyih stans for the wrong reasons. Call them out for their toxic behavior, not for supportive behavior like you did in the video.

[@monsta6501]

Well this aged poorly. Kep1er's Love Struck album is looking like a newly refreshed theme for their group and is very much highly anticipated among kpop fans as of right now.

[@saika.magoichi.214]

Though I do agree with you on wonho. You can't deny that he does post alot of raunchy stuff for a kpop idol. Naturally if your constantly posting revealing pictures of yourself to millions of people your gonna get a lot of inappropriate thirst posts online. It's no different from when a popular tiktok pretty boy posts multiple videos flexing shirtless. It's obviously gonna create sexual comments and you can't really blame people for creating those comments because they're just reacting to what he's putting out.

[@igballehasani9910]

funny how you just started talking about how most people cant praise someone without bringing down other groups, I got a notification about a reply who said that newjeans is better than blackpink

[@nemesis9479]

your bahiyyih opinion is spot on. Bahiyyih is average. not amazing or anything but not bad either. and that’s absolutely *fine.* there’s nothing wrong with subpar idols who aren’t as great as their fellow members. as long as they can make you happy, then that’s all that matters in the end.

[@aangisbestboi3984]

we know bahiyyih isn’t the second beyoncé, what’s annoying is how y’all act like she’s so much below the other members when she’s not at all? you guys downplay her talents so much and CONSTANTLY take comments from literal antis abt her talents and act surprised that her fans are so feral

[@onlytheflowerknow]

It's true that fans hold girl crush/badass concepts way higher than songs like stereotype/colouring book/stay this way/knock knock. Just some examples. Soft feminine concepts are so pretty and so is cute and bubbly. People used to love putting oh my girl into the "cute" concept only and how they hate it. But once those groups do a badass concept, they hype it up so much.its 2023 and we still have stans who hate cute, feminine, elegant, soft and bubbly concepts. Groups don't have to break their knees(rip Itzy) or neck and back for you like what. People were saying how stay this way was boring compared to DM which is fkn dumb. They can't have a DM 2.0. same with red velvet, since psycho, fans and non fans have kept saying their recent comebacks are bad cuz they wanted a concept like psycho. They don't care if the song is good. It's been like this for years for so many groups. I'm glad groups like twice and fromis_9 didn't listen and just stayed true to their concepts and style while gradually moving to more elegant mature concepts on their own speed. Compare as if it's your last with any other bp song, it's their best song ever yet people only praise their badass songs even if they are bad. It has to change like fairytale, elegant, feminine, soft and cute, bubbly and ethereal concepts are JUST AS amazing.

[@blackbear7624]

it’s misogyny really. Woman is considered weak is she is kind, polite, elegant, soft. They thought woman has to look and behave manly to be considered strong lol

[@onlytheflowerknow]

@@blackbear7624 you can be strong and powerful with a softer concept!!! Stay this way makes me FEEL SO POWERFUL. I always listen to it whenever I feel down or got out of work. I don't understand people. If the song is good why would you still beg for a darker concept like SHUT UP

[@alpines8099]

These are hard fo swallow? I tought it was common sense, ig not for everyone. Some people treat idols like Bahiyyih (hyper hyping their talents) or like Wonho (oh n000 he is haaawt🥵) like damn, theres rarely an in between.

[@ririrolland5132]

this video sound like she talking to 5yo kids lmao

[@alyseray4416]

i’m actually so beyond sick of the girl crush trend it’s all just melting together these days

[@strayyystayyy]

Bahiyyih is talented but they are also not accepting the fact that the huge reason why she is so popular is indeed because of her brother. Yes she is talented. Yes, a lot of people know she’s talented, but the same time, A lot of people voted for her and know about her because of her brother. That is how I knew about her. Everybody found out about her pretty much because she’s a sibling of a famous idol.

[@soft4taeng]

I mean, considering how little she was showcased in girls planet i'm sure she would have never debuted if it wasn't for her brother, simply because you could barely notice her while watching the sow, but with that being said, i think in the end it doesn't even matter. She's not the strongest at anything in particular but she's a good idol nonetheless and i feel like she deserved to debut!

[@aangisbestboi3984]

@@soft4taeng yall say such backhanded shit like this then wonder why hiyyihlights hate yall smh

[@soft4taeng]

@@aangisbestboi3984 i'm sorry but there literally would be no way for a trainee to make it into the final line up if they barely even get screen time and are not showcased enough during the program. This is not an attack to Bahiyyih but i guarantee that if any other girl was in her place and got the same amount of exposure she got on GP999 she would have never made it. Luckily Bahiyyih automatically got attention because of her brother which does not mean she is undeserving of her spot in the line up. She's talented and i'm personally happy she made it but there's no point in pretending Kai being her brother didn't contribute to her initial fame at all.

[@aangisbestboi3984]

@@soft4taeng idk what y’all aren’t getting. kai made her an ATTENTION point, meaning it doesn’t matter how much screentime she had because people were always gonna tune in for her as she had the spotlight on her. yall act like she didn’t have fancams just like the other girls? hiyyihlights were hyping up any bit of content from her hence why hers were always the most popular. and when did i deny that kai contributed to her debuting? my point is that’s not the biggest reason imo.

[@soft4taeng]

@@aangisbestboi3984 the most popular trainees on Girls Planet were the ones that stood out a lot because of specific moments, while trainees that had little screen time and little exposure like Bahiyyih never really got noticed, so yeah, her being Kai's sister made it possible for people to know about her despite Mnet giving her little to no exposure. So i'm not wrong for saying that she probably wouldn't have debuted if it wasn't for the fact she had a famous brother, simply because it's basically impossible for trainees with minimum screen time to make it in survival shows.This is pretty objective and i'm not saying it to hate on her.

[@yumu5460]

TripleS's concept was long plannee before new Jean's debut, meaning they just both coincidently have similar concepts. And New Jeans didn't invent Y2K

[@aangisbestboi3984]

first off, hiyyih is only behind chae in vocals and as an actual vocals i can give you reasons why, secondly, why does the term hyperboles not exist when it comes to hiyyih? fans of other groups can make the most outrageous claims just to praise their fave but a hiyyihlight will say hiyyih main dancer and all of a sudden everyone and their mums get mad. if someone saying that hiyyih is the best performer or the most charismatic bothers you then you’re a weirdo.

[@Forever_Soul]

Hiyyih not even top 3 in vocals in Kep1er 😂

[@aangisbestboi3984]

@@Forever_Soul lmfao you saying this when she’s the only one able to actually support after chae 😂Bahiyyih sings with little to no strain(the only other person in this group that does that is Chae). She also has a connected range and know how to mix properly for notes higher in her register. Her head voice is very clear and developed. hiyyih also has a wide vocal range, a resonant tone and is constantly praised for being stable. don’t speak on things you don’t know babes

[@Forever_Soul]

@@aangisbestboi3984 are you a vocal coach?

[@aangisbestboi3984]

@@Forever_Soul training to be one and my aunt is one

[@Forever_Soul]

@@aangisbestboi3984 until you're a vocal coach,i cant take your words seriously 😁

[@handlelicker989]

The bahiyyih one is so true 😭 honestly shes my ult bias but I absolutely hate her fans

[@Mayarmageddon]

#5.... *I'm looking at you Blackpink*

[@リリ-p4v]

You are taking a bigggg risk here my friend I’m surprised crazy blink haven’t found you yet. But you slayed 🤭

[@Mayarmageddon]

@@リリ-p4v wow such a big risk

[@リリ-p4v]

@@Mayarmageddon lmaooo

[@cindih78]

You are spot on in everything you said, in my opinion. It’s actually quite sad how many times I post comments such as “think before you post”, “why on earth would you post something like this”, “can you please just praise your favorite(s) without talking about others”, and “didn’t you learn the golden rule…’if you can’t say something nice, just remain silent’.” It truly boggles my mind how entitled people feel that they have no problems spewing toxic crap (such as talentless, ugly, overhyped, etc) about people just trying to follow their dreams.

[@bellsgotitnowft]

Girl these are FACTS 😭✋🏼

[@shimpiyaa]

Also newjeans didn't bring back Y2K it was already popular in kpop before newjeans did it

[@happytobehere4752]

i disagree with you on the bahiyyih statement, every kpop fan does this, everyone overhypes their own favs bcz they see their potential. they can call her the best performer the best dancer the best singer or wtv because it IS their opinion. at the end of the day everyone is biased.

[@siohunndai]

Bahiyyih would not be in Kep1er right now without Hyuka, and people need to deal with it.

[@Alexza525]

But she *IS* in Kep1er right now, and people need to deal with it.

[@2yj1stfan]

but she is in kep1er RIGHT NOW y’all need to let go of that “she would be nothing without her brother” it’s been a year and people need to deal with it

[@polar7335]

Yet, she is the only reason people even tune into a Kepler song. Videos of just her lines have over a million views while the rest 🦗

[@siohunndai]

@@Alexza525 Multiple things can be true simultaneously

[@Alexza525]

@@siohunndai the difference is that one is hypothetical. What you said never happened, therefore it's irrelevant.

[@thisaintboutyou]

You deserve an award for this video 💯🙌.. It was so on point and you included literally every aspect that is problematic in the kpop community.. This video should be viewed by everyone who's into kpop cz my god the fandoms are getting so toxic, coming up with shitty excuses saying "its their opinion and everybody is allowed to have one.." 🙄

[@cry4dayeon]

hiyyih stans are always setting that poor girl up, like I fr saw someone say she's the best dancer and 2nd best vocalist in kep1er

[@renrin_]

How is that a set up though? Its fans praising their favs. The same way chaehyun fans say she isnt the worst dancer or xiaoting fans say shes a good singer. We all praise our favs. How does her fans justify hating on her? Like what is that thought process?

[@cry4dayeon]

@@renrin_ praising ≠ overhyping, by overhyping her and saying some ridiculous shit like "bahiyyih is the best vocalist in kep1er" you're just doing her more harm than good and you're setting her up cause by that she'll just receive more hate than she already does

[@renrin_]

@@cry4dayeon how is saying that we think she is the best singer harmful to her? She lost her confidence and told us this herself. She said she knew keplians hadnt accepted her and she felt awkward being there. Us praising her in whatever way should not make you mad after all the hate she gets. Please tell me how is it a set up to "over praise" because you as a kepler fan know dam well she gets hate no matter what she or her fans do. So are we supposed to stay quiet? So that a bunch of people that hate her wont get triggered and get mad? Do you not read what you are saying rn? And yes I do think shes one of the best singers in the group. Does that make you mad? Are you gonna throw hate at bahiyyih now?

[@aangisbestboi3984]

@@cry4dayeon but she is the 2nd best vocalist, and i can bring the facts to prove it. yall fr just can’t accept that hiyyih’s actually talented

[@cry4dayeon]

@@aangisbestboi3984 2nd best vocalist?? this has to be a joke 😭💀💀 she isn't even CLOSE to Youngeun's level how did she become a better vocalist than her?? the best vocalist is Chaehyun and 2nd is Youngeun, if you think anything other than that then you're completely delusional lmao

[@glori.amorrr]

No one’s overhyping her & no one is setting her up besides her haters that create accounts to get her dragged soo… we’re literally just praising her for her hard work 😭

[@polar7335]

LITERALLY!!

[@leviberg2377]

Yeah this is false. Go take a look at your own fandom before saying stuff like this XD

[@changuk_biased2010]

Speaking of the badass concept, I've seen too many current Chaewon fans saying they're happy she switched company because Woollim would have just made her take the pretty and cute route like Lovelyz, Eunbi, and Rocket Punch. They say Hybe gave her the perfect bold and girl crush concept and I'm just like...just admit you like stronger concept and move on? Why you gotta put others down? lmao

[@양송-k2g]

I don't think it's putting others down. In my opinion she fits the concept she has now so much better than the cute, elegant one she did back in IZ*ONE. I may be a little biased since I enjoy badass concept more but I also like cute, elegant when did well which IZ*ONE was objectively great at, I really liked some of their songs. I just never noticed her in IZ*ONE but in Le Sserafim she's the one that gets most of my attention

[@snatchingcareers4681]

I agree with the unpopular opinion that groups that are popular can drop anything and it will do well. I notice this year groups like Aespa, Stayc, Twice and Red Velvet were under fire for releasing “bad comebacks” but people were praising (no offense to BP) Blackpink for their comeback of Pink Venom and Shut down???? Shutdown is a good song and all but it’s nothing new in the Blackpink song book and Pink Venom isn’t that very good to be praised to the gods because YG finally let BP out of the dungeon. Girls, Talk that Talk, Beautiful Monster, and Birthday weren’t bad comebacks for y’all to be saying these groups have fallen off. I’m just genuinely confused by kpop fans.

[@multistanhuhue1601]

6. Yeah but lately it is getting out of control bearly known rookies are suddenly pulling over 150k sales 💀 and not only smaller companies do it SM - most award shows and lots of album sales HYBE - Le serafim, NJ, Fromis 9 JYP - Jay Park said himself that they faked fans and album sales

[@MeganIsNotHere]

I feel like an example of big groups being too big to fail, it with sneakers, I don’t know anything who really likes that song anymore than a casual listen, but it still became popular and did well because it’s itzy

[@user-3259]

Triple S had a really great debut song but the dance sequence of the music video was set up exactly like the main dance sequence of Hype Boy, especially the stage they danced on like Triple S had a black stage whilst newjeans had a white one. I don’t think it was plagiarism at all but rather inspo

[@gabdongipark]

Finally someone said it with the number 8. I looked at Epex thanks to CIX. I like then for themselves but only know them thanks to CIX and their agencies.

[@HU3NINGS]

And now her fans are saying Hybe will pick her up after d word like🤨🤨🤨 that'll literally confirm all the nepotism shit she's going through...

[@Im.me.hi.]

Loved this video. Like you did it so respectfully. Most people when they do these types of videos are just rude and needlessly tackless when saying unpopular opinions and take it as a change to just talk shit then say well I just said my opinion if you don’t like it you are the problem

[@mmq4017]

n 4. Omggg im so glad u talked about this i hate that some people stan idols for their looks and not their talent or music, I personally got into kpop with the music first (i didnt even know who they were) , then i looked more into mvs, and then i saw their personalities, and until now i still dont really care about looks much its mainly just the music and personality that makes them “attractivel” ig Anyways #standay6

[@beans72]

Sumner 7 is so true. Whenever I praise one of my favs, there’s always someone saying sone sht like “omg ikr ___ is so much better than ___” I do do smth like that where I say “I love ___ so much but honestly ___ is superior in this category”

[@Kpop_content0]

I agree on 7, ALMOST HALF OF THE toxic kpop fandom is bringing up Itzy to their fav bcs of just their songs.. like you can dislike their songs, but bringing up or hating on ITZY is so unnecessary

[@soobinion]

i love ur videos sm! you always speak great opinions and I can always agree with you, keep up the good work!

[@butterpeacan3508]

Ofc op opening doors for bahiyyih to get more hate. I wish Kepler stans would just leave her tf alone and let her live, who cares if fans overhype her fans will always overhype their favs that's literally our job

[@ancientmingyu0604]

I'm so sick of the pushed narrative that little siblings groups aren't their own individual people. I noticed that a lot when Xikers debuted. How are people saying that they're Ateez 2.0 when they're legit just two months old at this point? Like omg ppl, give them time to find themselves! Is that so fucking hard?!

[@dfernandez3482]

1:40 Hikarus wink ☺💗

[@shadotarot]

The NJ vs SSS thou... I love how some ppl just conveniently forget how everyone is doing Y2K at the time.

[@vell2994]

Bahiyyih definitely gets unreasonable hate. And her singing and dancing skills are good. But stage presence? 0% that makes her unappealing as an idol for me

[@jasoninthea.m7471]

People Always be saying rigging like girl korea has different tastes and in Korea Popular artists are different

[@K-PopularOffical]

Everything she just explained is very true and I have thought about this a lot just haven’t told anyone I like how she just put this out to tell everyone these things

[@hyeist]

The sad part is some of these aren’t even hard to swallow opinions, it’s just kpop stans don’t get it.

[@lorelai4731]

"Bahiyyih is main dancer main vocal center material" like girl no she's basic in all aspects and one of the least talented in her group. People just like to overhype her skills cause they feel sorry for her, but the moment her toxic fans bash their favorite idols they'll drop the facade and be calling her a talentless dozen and a nepobaby. It's this kpop stans hypocrisy that bothers me. Don't overhype mediocre idols just cause you pity them or to earn some likes from their delusional fans. There's nothing wrong with being average, bagiyyih is average and that's okay.

[@polar7335]

You’ve commented several times about her on this post. We get you don’t like her move on.

[@katiesto3877]

The 6. one is true

[@JessieBanana]

You make it sound like groups choose their concepts though. The reality very cute concepts are done to appeal to female fans, which are the fans who are mostly here for the music (at least for the girl groups). The cute concepts are largely to entertain men and it’s more about the fantasy than the music or the dancing. When the cute is done well, like some of Red Velvets cute concepts people like it.

[@brookdropemoff2588]

I feel like number five fits newjeans new song zero..

[@sehbasareen6669]

6th and 7th opinion is soo true😂

[@goodbyetimetosay]

Fr on the girl crush thing. I enjoy cute/fun concepts so much from boys or girls. Afterschool by Weeekly was so endearing but then they kinda started doing the girl crush thing

[@strawbby3y]

i agree so much YESSSS!

[@ooriginalkawaipotato3840]

Wow those were some soft pills for me

[@xdinaryheroesluv]

this was the most truthful video i’ve ever seen from a kpop youtuber

[@haghaggy]

number 5 is so truee

[@shimpiyaa]

I agree with 2

[@kitkitlotino4509]

So pretty

[@dolletesy]

i literally love all of your videos, there’s not a single opinion i disagreed with. also i really love the effort you put in your videos :)

[@HailToTheMeep]

"Big 3 or HYBE" 😂

[@anetasz7759]

1. THANK YOU. I agree with all you said about Bahi. I'm sick of seing threads on twt like "Bahiyyih being a main vocal/main dancer/best performer" and I'm just like... pls stop, you're not helping. It's fine to praise your faves but most of her fans praise her and in the same breath drag down xyz member of Kep1er. Whenever I voice my opinion about it I get d3th threats :D... even once someone told me "there's no Bahi biased ot9 fan" WHAT- you can appreciate every member of the group without being toxic and that's sth most Hiyyih just can't grasp... 2. Ppl always want a concept change (usualy for girl crush) but then complain as soon as the teaser photos drop. Make it make sense. 3. Agree 100% 4. Ppl be acting like Wonho is not producing/writing/singing his songs and it there to look good on ig and in MVs 5. period 6. tell 'em! 7. Yes yess 8. Funny how I never saw 4th gen groups from big3 getting as much hate as TXT got (it was funny how ppl with ults from big3 were complaining the most). But the truth is if that group is not going to put out good music the hype will slowly die out. Yes they are still going to do big numbers but not as big as they should considering they have "famous senior privlidge" 9.

[@aangisbestboi3984]

you people hating on hiyyihlights are delusional my god. yall provoke them then get upset when they retaliate

[@DasPolarlichtlein]

_if you don't like to read, feel free to skip this comment_ 😉 *thoughts:* this video is super interesting. it shows excellently how underprivileged human beings are. it shows how suggestible they are. it shows how shallow, hateful, uneducated and unhappy they are. it shows how incapable they are of forming their own opinions. it also shows that many of these so-called netzitens (kpop related) are seriously despicable. above all, it shows how extremely americanized they are. precious korean groups are dead (gfriend or lovelyz for example). annoyingness & obtrusiveness rule the kpop business. this constant "wanting to stand out" and "be cool" at all costs is so tiring. this "i-am-a-vip-behavior" is embarrassing. of course there are always bright spots in between (nice, reasonable, down-to-earth, educated idols, choreographers, producers, staff, ceo's)...but kpop itself will no longer exist in 20 years, or will only eke out a niche existence. who wants to insult me ​​by the way...go ahead. it bounces off me like mosquitoes off a windshield. but beforehand a little side note to think about: _i witnessed the "birth of kpop" in the early 1990s (i used to live in europe but also in korea). so i dare to say that i know a "tiny little bit" about this subject_ ✌

[@lll.24601]

#8, that would happen sadly to one group ATM- xikers. For the Big 4, I would put them in a separate opinion.

[@solithedreamer]

yeaaaaa EXACTLY point 7, i dont get why people have to hate on other groups to compliment their fave, what for... i see it too many times in top comments

[@양송-k2g]

Garam was accused of bullying which she didn't even do and now she's the one being bullied. I got lost in whatever the heck happened but the way she was treated is was so wrong

[@Anjan_-]

I love your points if you call your "idols" trendsetter u are delu unless your fav is snsd boa iu big company thing is real y'all praise new jeans and hate tripleS The famous group example is just describing blackpink I am a nmixx stan like they are my ults and people are like your fav can't sing and then other fav comes your fav can't win a daesang like people make stanning a popular group superior

[@Forever_Soul]

Bahiyyih fans are the one setting her up for the hate she gets.I mean, she's not the main vocal,main dancer, main visual or 4th gen IT girl they are talking about.I actually think Bahiyyih is likable but its just her fans that's makes me dislike her.They keep trashing other members specially my poor Dayeon.I honestly dont have high expectations of her since she has the shortest training time among the members.Even when she keep making mistakes, i cant blame her. I hope she can at least minimize it and improve her vocal.That's what i think she can help Kep1er.

[@polar7335]

Dayeon aka mnets daughter, aka the most pushed member of this group that brings in zero new fans, aka the girl with a lisp who ruins every song on top of the song already being genuinely horrible. 🫶🏼

[@icybird9999]

Hold up. Give me one instance where Hiyyih EVER made a mistake. Please. Cause I've never seen her make an actual mistake on stage, ever. Don't drag her for lies you created. Edit : (also, don't mention mistakes and not mention how many your girl Dayeon has made. Cause that right there is an example of YOU setting her up.)

[@Forever_Soul]

@@icybird9999 Stop playing dumb with me or ill upload that to youtube 😁

[@icybird9999]

@@Forever_Soul Do it, please. Honestly, cause I don't recall any major mistakes, if any, that Hiyyih has made on stage. There are already various videos of Dayeon, but as you said, we shouldn't drag other members down to bring others up. 🙂 Edit : also, if you search on KZbin and even Twitter, literally nothing comes up for Bahiyyih, at all. From GP999 days to present, there's no instance of Bahiyyih making a onstage mistake.

[@Forever_Soul]

@@icybird9999 R*ddit ot8 sub has it. I just dont want to upload it

[@ancientmingyu0604]

As a Wonho ult I could never agree more to this!! It's literally so upsetting. Of course I'm over here saying that I could die a happy death it that man crushes me between his thighs but has anyone ever thought about that his dancing is insanely smooth and fluent for someone of his size? What about his angelic vocals? Like, literally, that man has a voice crafted on the heaven's altar and all I see is ppl speaking about his body only. When he came to Europe during his first solo Europe tour last year I went because I wanted one of my ults to be my very first Kpop concert experience and it was absolutely magical 💙 One picture of him my sister took during the concert is to this day my phone wallpaper and that won't change until he comes back the next time. There's not a single song in his discography that I don't like and that's only the case with Ateez, one of my other ults. Not to mention that he's also active in the production of his songs! And he made a ring once and engraved it with the birthday date of us Wenees and when he enlisted he made a post promising to not take the necklace with the ring on it off until he's back. That man loves us to death and he's actually one of the few idols where I actually, whole heartedly believe so. Pls stan him for him as an artist and not solely his body 💙

[@Risalingisa]

It’s funny cus newjeans concept isn’t even y2k like it isn’t even close to y2k but they have took some inspo from black artist

[@Forever_Soul]

Those are bsides songs in kpop if were being honest 😁

[@zhisu2665]

One particular group that has been consistently dropping mid songs and a large number of their fandom admits that, yet they still hold onto the bragging rights of numbers despite knowing that it only makes the groups music worse.

[@Kpop.addict_Drama]

Nah cus that whole "stop wasting their talent give them this concept" be getting me so mad. Example is weeekly id always see fans saying how they wish for a girl crush concept and then when they all got it it wasnt really the best. I mean weeekly was fine the way they were. Also I hate how people bring down other groups to put their fave group up. I literally see the comments all the time like sometimes the backhanded compliments just be too much. When people deny that groups are more successful in companies that have successful groups already its so dumb. I hate when people hate on groups who come after a really famous group (one example army to txt once to itzy) its fine if they succeed at first because of other groups it doesnt mean their whole career is fake tho they were hard just like the other groups to get where they are

[@antoncutie]

Tomboy is the worst song i've ever heard, Love Dive ate them tf up

[@ha._.bbangbby]

My thing is with #7 is that if you really have to bring down other groups to make your favs look good, that just says to me how good you think they are, which isn't that good...

[@Welchs-Fruit-Snacks]

Why does 3 sound like blink/SM stans? 🤔

[@siohunndai]

It sounds like basically every major 3rd gen fandom, newjeans stans and mys

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

What do you mean??

[@Welchs-Fruit-Snacks]

@@btsismyoxyjin2013 Blinks will gatekeep the hell out of everything and then turn around and say "Omg BP are such trendsetters" (Like Lalisa's hairstyle and Jennie using hair clips.) SM stans act like everybody wants to be SM 🙄

[@btsismyoxyjin2013]

@@Welchs-Fruit-Snacks Oo....ok . Thanks for explaining

[@MochieeeMoon]

@@Welchs-Fruit-Snacksikr, remember when NMIXX lily and ningning (not just her but also the entire Aespa because apparently they copied BLACKPINK for being a 4 member group💀) got death threats and attacked by blinks because apparently they copied Jennie and Lisa look.😭 Literally no one owns a hair style or look (unless it belongs to a particular culture but in both of these cases it’s not). It’s ridiculous how blinks reacts when they see a group that has a similar aesthetics or look.

[@jeanjean0]

soft 4 taeng the reverse sojang. 💛

[@Jeffersonjeffing]

listen it maybe mean to say this. but kepler is mid. and if they disband its because the market is oversaturated and they dont have good enough music to stay relevant.

[@soft4taeng]

I personally think they're very talented and i wouldn't say they're mid, but their concept and music are definitely not appealing to the general public as much as those from other 4th gen girl groups. They're gonna disband in about a year since they're a temporary group and i hope that after the disbandment the girls will move on to bigger things