HYBE is NOT the good company you think they are (my problem with Hybe)

[@trinichan5103]

Imagine stanning a company

[@sayakasbiggeststan3941]

FR THO

[@kseagull3536]

I can't, it's weird

[@HypeGrlie]

Fr it’s so weird 💀💀💀

[@Tharinya10]

Same

[@Ososkkisksksmssmsmssmssms]

My sign of a obsessed stan

[@dayeotmoegeo]

Moral of the story : Stan kpop groups , not companies. Thankyou💜

[@gshubhs]

People be talking shit about SM and other companies but they will be the same people who say that hybe is the best company.

[@njarasoarumpf8464]

aprreciate to see some people that speaks fact in the comment section

[@nicoleloss7987]

Talking nonsense

[@hw5062]

No literally they will be like "jyp is bad" "SM is the worst company free aespa" or "YG handles comebacks so poorly" but when it comes to hybe it's all sunshine and rainbows? There are valid problems with every company and its not helpful to idols if you treat companies as if they can do no wrong

[@brennathecatlover4360]

@@hw5062 I would love to go to yg lmao u basically can branch your career out besides being an idol and get 70% of money and the building is really nice lol

[@namjooning1017]

you literally can't compare HYBE to SM. Slave contracts are good in your eyes. be so fr

[@holo6933]

The way that Hybe handled TXT’s world tour is also ridiculous. Like, logically, it really makes no sense why they gave them such small venues and overall just didn’t bother to give them a large scale tour that could’ve given hybe more money and txt more attention.

[@RM-of2oz]

Because they had already brought the venues. If u knew anything, TXT was suppose to tour in 2020 and at the time they still weren’t exceptionally big especially not big enough to have stadium and arena tours. They used up the venues they had already brought. It’s not really a bad move

[@nicoleloss7987]

This was their first tour. No one get big ventuues on their first tour. So grow up . Bighit / hybe said txt second tour will have bigger venues

[@trinichan5103]

I wouldn't call it ridiculous. Sure we wished they had bigger venues so getting a ticket wouldn't of been so difficult and expensive but after I went I was actually happy the venue was small. It made the concert feel more intimate. Especially when they were able to run around and wave at us. That definitely wouldn't of been possible if they were performing at a stadium unless they did something like BTS or Billie Eilish by going on a platform that swung them around the stadium.

[@sivanabanana889]

yes it made me sooo mad like txt are so popular its not fair for them or the fans give them what they deserve😭

[@PeachyPechx]

@@nicoleloss7987 bro enhypen also had their first tour and almost all their venues had a capacity of 10,000+ only two didn’t and enhypen and txt are in similar levels of success and popularity

[@roundround1287]

With NU’EST’s disbandment, they announced the termination of their contract two weeks before that it was going to be the day before their 10th anniversary and pledis already had the whole anniversary promotion ready to go. People talk about it as is pledis fault or the members decision, but please explain to me WHY would they spend tons of money on the anniversary promotion and then disband their own group???? And Ren talked about the disbandment in Aron’s podcast and said the decision wasn’t theirs. You can talk shit all you want about pledis but they work under hybe. These company stans don’t know anything about gfriend or nuest and have the audacity to speak on things related to them, spread misinformation and defend a company who sees them as ATMs, ready to give them cash at any given time

[@soft4taeng]

I didn't know much about NU'EST disbandment and everything that happened, but that just sounds so awful. There are definitely many things that hybe needs to clarify, both with NU'EST and Gfriend's disbandments

[@ericjiayu7408]

@@soft4taeng nu'est members have said that they didn't know what to do after disbandment because they didn't think about promoting alone, it's suspected that they were going to renew contracts (ex. baekho and minhyun did it) but finally, they weren't given the chance to do it as a group. the meaning of their song "again" was changed after the disbanding news, at first the whole album was marketed as a present to the fans for their 10th years anniversary because then, they would have a proper comeback. sadly, none of this things happened and all thr publicity and banners that were prepared had to change. jonghyeon (jr, nuest leader) have recently talked about the disbandment again, they're still in touch and the 5 members are usually in their fanmeetings and solo concerts. it' just so clear that they didn't want to take parts.

[@justapilisone]

Don't forget how Gfriend had a bunch of activities planned before the news of their disbandment. The girls didn't even know until it was on the news. They certainly weren't planning on disbanding. Something fishy is definitely going on around here.

[@sunkijayloppaa3037]

@@justapilisone it's def not source music nor pledis's original decision, ofc it's hybe's. They thought they ate bcs they can just debut lessera n newjean, that's why they throw the oldies to the bin. Weird, they only value the young one, especially minors. Im gonna swear fuck at them if they mess with fromis in the future. On gyuri situation i understand it's her decision, but if something shady is happening to fromis bcs they have a new younger members girlgroup n thought that it's time for fromis to expire, i would throw hate train to them, watch me 😠

[@s__9939]

The way you ate this up

[@eggymoon]

I liked bighit when they were only managing bts, now it became a farm of money and people are just willing to buy anything from them. At this point I feel like they do whatever they want in concept since they are sure people will buy their shit. They've been growing unhealthy die-hard fanbases that are willing to do anything for their group. If you say anywhere that one of their group has bad music you're sure to get a flood of hate from the fans, I've been leaving some comments about how bts music became bad and people attack me for that despite leaving constructive criticism on why. For Gfriends and NU'EST it's definetly the company decision to disband as they probably saw them as 'old group that don't make that much money anymore' they gave them both 1 comeback and seeing how they didn't do as well as their other groups they disbanded them. Some people need to realize that hybe is a company just there for profit, especially since BangPD retired from his CEO position.

[@njarasoarumpf8464]

totally agree.

[@justgladiolus248]

I don't really understand why people keep associating bighit=hybe when hybe=to all the companies under it. Like, when bangpd pulled out as CEO I knew that hybe really isn't the bighit entertainment I know. So I disassociated bighit from hybe all the time...

[@justgladiolus248]

And the English comebacks maybe a little bad, but their music isn't becoming bad.. maybe not to your taste but I don't think their music became bad.

[@steakoncearmyengene9326]

@@justgladiolus248 because when there's no HYBE... Only Big Hit and thing seem to be a bit calmer then. Now its just chaotic and messed up.

[@steakoncearmyengene9326]

@A why you gotta hate a song that was meant to be a gift for their fandom? You are no different than the main commenter.

[@smalllightbulb3492]

Absolutely truth. HYBE and it's subsidiaries are like JYPE and it's divisions. Of course they will have a general overview of what their subsidiaries are doing. That's how companies work. And it's a company so their endgame is profit. They'll throw their artists under the bus if the bottom line is threatened. Look at the Kim Garam situation...Although these last few days I'm getting more convinced that she was allowed to debut because it brought a lot of attention to the group (even if negative) Now they kicked her out and did 'the right thing', they can just go on.

[@JaneJannie]

yeah, and that people will support the group just out of sympathy for "look how hard it was for them to debut" after the scandal might be literally the company's dirty strategy

[@nicoleloss7987]

Hybe and source music defend garam. So grown up. Stop talking nonsense. Hybe is only for resources. All companies under hybe work independently. So get your facts straight.

[@fgkajfr2347_]

​@@nicoleloss7987imagine stanning and defending a whole fucking company ☠️ you get your facts straight

[@nabilahidayat921]

i think txt changing concepts makes sense in a way that their discography basically links with each other showing the journey of a teen growing up including all the emotions and all that jazz, but I know probably only ppl who actually follow and/or stan txt would already know that and for non-moas it would probably seems confusing in hindsight. I'm not defending hybe here I'm defending txt's overall group concept, and at least there concept changes make sense with the content of those eras and they also pull off every single one so yeah

[@nicoleloss7987]

Hybe is only a parent company. All companies under hybe work independently.

[@Luna-dn8pr]

same thoughts, their concepts' progression is actually really natural when you get it

[@nabilahidayat921]

@@nicoleloss7987 yes i know that, like i said i was only defending txt's discography and hybe wasn't really relevant to my comment anyway if that makes sense

[@Mashka14]

HYBE Entertainment has been mishandling and mismanagement with not just BTS and their comebacks music promotion but the comebacks of their other Groups but they also have not handled the not just Kim Garam situation and other scandals and rumors involving their other artists what’s worse HYBE entertainment only cares about making more money from the popular groups

[@yoongiverse.]

all bighit groups’ music was better before hybe, I will stand by this forever

[@brigc7755]

I mean I def agree, HYBE just cares about money and while their training system may be less cruel than other companies, they still suck in MANY other ways. But I will say BTS basically owns everything they do, and said they hit a burnout after ON was released, so I don't think HYBE was at fault for how BTS's other comebacks performed/ sounded.

[@Imurbae888]

HYBE is not an entertainment it’s a music label they don’t manage to group it’s the companies who manage the group’s like understand

[@nicoleloss7987]

Hybe is a corporation. All companies under hybe work independently. They all manage their own artists.

[@HopeeInk]

The list goes on: - overworking their staff and artists especially BTS - selling us overpriced merch and albums especially to army and carats (flippin’ 130$ for a PJ and y’all seemed to have only a problem with it for a week) - the way they handling SVT in general is giving sus.! - selling damn NFT’s - chart manipulations, well this one is under investigations but it stinks even continents away - literally buying every small company underneath the sun, many labels have subs but most of them are self created. Kpop is an oligopoly, but HYBEs somewhat ruthless strategy to get to the top, stay there and turning everything into their favor is concerning and I feel like not enough people care about it. HYBE is trying to building a monopoly and no one is saying anything. They literally tried to buy SM and HYBE disciples are still defending - the misogyny that runs in this company, even when it comes to staff but especially when it comes to their girl groups. - whatever is going on with the BTS military situation, it sus that government officials are visiting their company. Not them trynna bend the laws yet again. The list is even longer, but it’s making me angry already. I’ll stop it’s Sunday so I might pray for the HYBE higher up to get some of their humanity back.

[@blackatblu]

i agree with everything on this list!!

[@justvibing2171]

The misogyny not enough people talk about this

[@HopeeInk]

@A well there is always the claims of chart manipulation when it comes to BTS, but personally I don’t believe in that nowadays. BTS is just that popular, period. They the most followed kpop artist on any given platform and ARMY are hugh so this one doesn’t make much sense for me. They grow seemed also reasonable at least to me, but all that it’s not the case for HYBE’s new girl group Le Sserafim. They won Music Bank a couple of months ago, in the middle of the Garam situation (also something to add on that list) and against a strong musician with a big fanbase and casual listener base in Korea, we’re talking about the biggest Trot and Ballad singer in the country right know. This would raise an eyebrow on its own, but the fact that Lim Youngwoong got 0 broadcast points didn’t made sense to people. KBS explained it with the fact that his song didn’t get any radio play at all on their channels. Knetz floated the internet to deny this claims and even dispatch made an article detailing where and how often the song got played on KBS stations, making that argument invalid. With that all unfolding the police started investigating and came back with a guilty verdict. Proving that KBS producers indeed manipulated those points (people assume that HYBE bribed them, because why else would they let these girl win). Allegedly it was all a scheme to deflect from the fact that their group was tanking due to the Kim Garam situation and people actively boycotting the debut domestic and even internationally. Notable is that the song reverse climbed the charts and is doing quite well for being released that long ago.

[@HopeeInk]

@A well this one explaining would take actually a little bit longer. In 2012 Big Hit debuted the girl group GLAM. And to say they tanked would be an understatement. They basically fall apart after a member left for the group for “personal reason” right after debut. The thing is that it’s widely believed that she was kicked out for being a sasaeng to artists like SHINee’s Onew but mainly SuJu’s Leeteuk. These claims were never proven and it’s actually notable that she still is close friends with many top idols like Nayeon or Jisoo (they besties). This wasn’t the end of the group that came in 2014 when one of the members blackmailed together with a friend a big actor at that time. He behaved inappropriately towards that friends despite being married. They recorded all those incidences and threaten to release them if he doesn’t pay. To cut it short he confessed to the police, they tried to flee the country and got caught and sentenced to 2 years of probation. The group was disbanded on the day of the sentencing. Now I’m telling you this story, because HYBE’s response to that was to never ever let a female enter that building lol. I’m exaggerating, but seriously they transferred all their female trainees to source and held only boy audiences for nearly 10 years. And I’m sure they only started to change since the girl group market is dominating right now. And those groups are also run by their subs not Big Hit same. This move alone screams misogyny, since their response to some girls doing the most was to demonize females as a whole and to cut them off just like this. Also there are stories of female employees being mistreated during working there, they were forced to work in a hostile environment and were belittled constantly, allegedly. Those claims vanished from the internet, but they were there! I mainly talking about big hit, so them before the merge and their conquest tour.

[@nicoleloss7987]

Pledis mangers seventeen. Learn your facts. Hybe only gives resources. All companies under hybe work independently.

[@feat.onewoo]

Finally someone who sees that debuting minors is problematic...

[@rosequartz-b6h]

This is random but belift handled ENHYPENs last 2 comebacks rlly weirdly bc they had given-taken, drunk dazed and tamed-dashed 3 great tt but when blessed cursed came out I was suddenly so confused. belift rlly flipped enhypen's musical concept like so damn much. their last comeback wasn’t that great in my opinion, why would belift drown their vocals in auto tune?? I couldn’t even tell who was singing with jungwons voice being one of the easiest to tell I couldn’t even find his voice :/ there is a bunch more I could rant about but this comment is getting long 😅😅 edit: ye srsly what happened to the vampire concept????? enhypen is slowly blending into all the other boy groups of kpop. the vampire concept is what made them special.. it was actually the reason why i started stanning them so why would belift take away something that made their group special??? belift is a great company but srsly wth were they thinking???

[@stephenc214]

I really enjoyed pass the mic, my favourite comeback from them so far, and I think their rapping was really good, it’s just about taste at the end of the day 🤷

[@W0NYSPE4RL]

​@@stephenc214 I really like the comeback as well and I even ordered the album but that´s not the point, the point is HYBE doing a full 180 on Enhypen´s musical and aesthetic concept, it was so drastical and out of nowhere that it seems like it was just setted up to confuse the public and the fandom, taking away what Enhypen was known for and giving them a basic and standard concept every other boy group is doing right now, making a lot of people lose interest on them. Ofc they ate it up and we loved it, but where´s their musical identity? We need the vampire concept to come back asap and more music like border day 1 and border carnival

[@ayanoitami7163]

Agreed! I'm not a fan but I really like their vocal and their vampire concept. I always think it's neat. Together with TXT magical concept. Personally, It's a lost for me :"(

[@v-ullet9528]

I agree with the concept and music style changes, just like how it happened to txt, it was too 180° of a change. but with thee auto tune one, yes enha are good vocalists but the auto tune used on their songs from the to now are actually used well and in a stylized way.

[@rosequartz-b6h]

@@ayanoitami7163 yeah 😭😭

[@ijustmakeplaylists905]

I mean I agree with pretty much everything but one other thing worth mentioning is I-land. I watched it and enjoyed it at the time but at the same time so much of it seemed so cruel for no real reason especially with the voting and honestly its just asking for trouble - voting to help talented trainees makes you seem unloyal to friends while helping/ protecting friends before talent makes it seem like people don't care thta much. Not to mention how young so many trainees were... like you shouldn't have multiple 14 year olds (especially considering many weren't Korean or raised in Korea) in this situation with cameras everywhere. I won't even talk about dive into you 😐

[@lisey5420]

completely agree. when i watched i-land, i also couldn't really connect with the trainees because i felt the tension and the competition between them. and some things like the voting system just didn't make sense to me and seemed like they just wanted to create some drama

[@nelliebellie2222]

Whats wrong with dive into u it was the best song on the show 🤨

[@nelliebellie2222]

@@lisey5420 Welp it was on mnet after all

[@lunaraus6846]

@@nelliebellie2222 many trainees were minors at that moment

[@nelliebellie2222]

@@lunaraus6846 Ik but I still dont see anything wrong with the dive into you song tho

[@angelgemag9330]

The first time I heard that bighit was changing into hybe, one of my first thoughts was "this can't be good," And my fears for this new change were confirmed when this company began having more scandals, problems and complaints in management than a fairly smooth amount of successes. But that's just me.

[@nicoleloss7987]

Grown up. Hybe is just a resource. All companies under hybe work independently. So check your facts.

[@sivanabanana889]

finally someone talking about fever being inappropriate. no one seems to care that niki is 16 all the fans and the company keep asexualizing him poor kid. i also think puma by txt was really not appropriate like they were tied up at some point or smt and like kai was 17 at the time and taehyun barely 18 its weirdddd

[@Artzychick_98]

I also came across a tik Tok of some sort showing comments say how they were glad Niki turned 18 like how disgusting is that shit

[@raya_chb]

i swear hybe stans are ridiculous

[@riamalia9966]

i still cant believe hybe has stans.

[@dezcircus]

Hybe booking those small ass venues for txt made txt underestimate their own popularity, thats just straight up annoying bc txt are rlly popular grp both internationally and in kr.

[@nicoleloss7987]

Wow. The venture were book during the pandemic. This is txt first tour. No artists gets big ventuues on their first tour. Bighit already said that txt will get big ventuues on their second tour

[@dezcircus]

@@nicoleloss7987 enhy- got bigger venues than txt??

[@magaliscarsi]

Just to clarify for some people on the comments. HYBE =\= big hit. Because people seems confuse sometimes with how, dos example, BTS is handle and how, for example, svt is. That's because they are under different companies. (Big hit and pledis) Some of you need to learn how HYBE is subdivide.

[@nicoleloss7987]

Correct. All companies under hybe work independently. They all have their own friends. They all have their own rules . Hybe has no say in debute ,comeback and disbandments.

[@soomi]

I think certain groups under HYBE coming back around the same time is because every kpop group has their own team of creative directors, planners, marketing etc. In some companies (like JYPE) they really even out the comebacks, so nothing entirely overlaps, but it's sad to see it's going wrong in HYBE due to different sub-companies having different plans. And none of them communicate with each other 😥

[@nicoleloss7987]

Do you even understand anything. All companies under hybe work independently. Hybe doesnt control debute or comebacks.

[@cecilelpt5808]

@@nicoleloss7987 you are delusional

[@vvt66410]

txt’s tour situation is so messy 😭 they have one of their biggest venus yet booked in Manila but they wanna limit the seats? Im so confused. since they performed in lollapalooza and summer sonic and everyone tuned in to support them why does bighit limit them so much.. i truly wanna believe this is because bighit wants txt to experience a more intimate crowd so they interact with the fans up-close for now before moving on to bigger venues but it’s still ridiculous to me..

[@nicoleloss7987]

This was txt first tour. No one on their first tour get big ventues. Second bighit stated txt will have big ventuues for their second tour.

[@Can_think_of_a_name]

One thing that really put me off Bighit is when BTS were called out by a Rabbi for posing on a Holocaust memorial, Namjoon wearing a Nazi hat, BTS using Nazi-esk flags at a concert and Jimin's atomic bomb t-shirt and Bighit apologised for everything *BUT THE HOLOCAUST PHOTOSHOOT!* That's probably the worst thing any K-pop group has done and they just ignored it! (This was in 2017) Then when BTS' disrespected the dead *again* with Yoongi using a Jim Jones clip they lied about Yoongi not being the producer and not knowing what the clip was but in their film/docu thing there's literally a clip of Yoongi adding that part in and he is the producer, Dispatch also came out and priced they knew what the clip was but they lied again! (They also said he was "flustered" not sorry...) They're terrible with apologising for things I mean BTS have a whole rap sheet of racism, colourism, CA, etc, Enhypen has the whole fatshaming thing, the the whole thing with Garam, and the way they handled the GLAM situation, they can't handle any of these situations right and just end up making things worse The minor thing happened with Jungkook too, I remember debut 15yr old JK lifting his shirt up and hip thrusting the camera not to mention War of Hormones which happened when JK was maybe 17? (I think) www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/bts-k-pop-nazi-japan-atomic-bomb-tshirt-controversy-jimin-rabbi-jewish-south-korea-edited-a8630136.html (them being called out) www.nme.com/news/music/bts-criticised-by-jewish-human-rights-group-after-wearing-nazi-style-hats-in-photoshoot-2401403 (their awful response)

[@ayoayo1044]

Let's add HYBE working with a Russian company DURING the war on Ukraine to the list. HYBE x SAN(Russian company) kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXimf3h5oK-LiJI

[@RM-of2oz]

They did apologize for the Holocaust shoot, what are u even talking abt??? A Jewish center reached out too then and they put out a statement saying they don’t support anything of that batureb

[@Can_think_of_a_name]

@@RM-of2oz They apologised for the Nazi hat, Nazi flags and Jimin's t-shirt, not the photoshoot. They acknowledge all three of those things but not the photoshoot

[@RM-of2oz]

@@Can_think_of_a_name yea they did, they issued a apology and deleted the pics

[@Can_think_of_a_name]

@@RM-of2oz They deleted the pictures after being called out but no apology was relieved and I've looked for one, O can't find it anywhere, if you have it them send it to me if not then you're just lying. I already put their response to being called four by the Rabbi and it wasn't there, feel free to find it for me though (not like that would make what they did ok or that their company apologising on their behalf means the members are actually sorry, if they were they'd say it themselves but hey ho, they don't give a fuck)

[@l3y4h]

🥲what happened to ENHYPEN's vampire concept?? I was so looking forward to actually figuring out what the story was, and how the story was gonna play out in their mv's, but now they just changed with their MANIFESTODAY1 albumn. I mean, there are still little hints in the mv, like in Future Perfect when Jungwon uses his power at one point, but other than that, it's like they just stopped with the concept. If you compare their old mv's with the new ones, there way more vampire stuff in the old ones then now. Atleast they still have the webtoon🙂Anyways, I still love ENHYPEN❤❤ But idk if fever is supposed to be sexual, because ppl have been saying it's supposed to be about the sun. idk lol

[@tubatuwariwari99]

I hate hybe with every cell in my body but saying txt's concept changes are sudden and random is just not true at all bc their concept changes follows their storyline so it definitely makes sense and there is no problem with it at all. I do agree that enhypen's concept changes are weird though.

[@sunououo]

yall proving this persons point in the comments by defending hybe acting like its the best company😭

[@nicoleloss7987]

I'm not defending anyone just stating facts. Because this video is nonsense. Hybe corporations is the business section of the company. Hybe has 3 other branches hybe labels, solutions and platforms. Hybe labels supplies resources to the sublabels but doesn't infere with daily operation. All companies under hybe work independently.

[@ancientmingyu0604]

I was guilty stanning a company in the past as well, KQ. I've since realized my mistake because why would I stan a company for literally doing the bare minimum when it comes to treating their artists like actual human beings? Also, I'm solely referring to their treatment of Ateez, Maddox and Xikers. We don't talk about Block B because that's a whole different topic. What I do think is fair to say is amongst all the companies I have read and researched about, KQ is the best of the bunch in terms of management and how the idols are treated. They have their faults like everyone else and at the end of the day it's about the money but I will never forget Eden, the head of their production team Eden-ary, saying that he doesn't want Xikers to cover a song from Monsta X because the boys are still too young for the concept, in comparison to Hybe and it's sub-labels. I've had several people say "I really hope Hybe is gonna acquire KQ in the future" and I'm like ??????????? HYBE BETTER KEEP THEIR DIRTY HANDS OFF KQ

[@Chinathomas_]

KQ a mess too

[@ancientmingyu0604]

@@Chinathomas_ How so?

[@hikyeom]

the fact the niki was 14-15 in fever era makes it so wrong, and jungwon and sunoo were definitely minors at the time too, im not sure abt the other members tho. but hybe/be:lift should've been more careful with concept

[@morelka1872]

There is one thing I also blame Hybe for. They actively support Russia this year and make new collaborations with russian companies, which is not okay at all. Nowadays, most of the commercial companies left Russia, to not pay taxes and not support the war, because this country need money every day to supply their army and kill innocent people. Hybe is a huge company with an enormous influence, and if they had stayed neutral - it would have been ok, they should not involve in this. However, they decided to support imperial invader with money. I’m sure you haven’t heard of this, I can send proofs if you want. Stay safe.

[@breakthewall.mp3126]

Agree completely. I'm glad I stopped listening to their groups a couple of years ago, so it's not sad for me to completely ignore hybe's content

[@thursdaaychild]

I just hope HYBE won‘t push other their groups to cooperate with Russia.

[@babanaki8528]

Could you please reply with some links, that support your claims? It's true that this is the first time I'm hearing of this.

[@morelka1872]

@@babanaki8528 There is a video explaining this situation with English subtitles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXimf3h5oK-LiJI I think it will be the best source because it is in English.

[@v-ullet9528]

I actually see a lot of comments in Russian characters, maybe because they have a huge fan base there🤷

[@HailToTheMeep]

J-HOPE NOT HAVING PHYSICAL ALBUM: THINK. Does it not ever occur to you that J-HOPE may want to have his album OUT BEFORE LOLLAPALOOZA in Chicago USA? Physical albums take TIME to produce and will DELAY album release?

[@nicoleloss7987]

Jhope started he didn't wanted a physical album. So respect it.

[@HailToTheMeep]

@@nicoleloss7987 Your comment contribute nothing to this conversation.

[@ah-chook968]

the funny thing is that hybe isn't even a comepnay and doesn't manage any of those groups u just put on that list 😭

[@VT-ng7tc]

Doesn’t manage any groups here? Enhypen, Lesserafim, Newjeans,BTS,Seventeen,TxT,Fromis_9? All of these are managed by HYBE

[@nicoleloss7987]

No. Wow you don't understand anything. Hybe corporations is the business sector of the company. It handles all business deals,legal action, distribution of music and venues. It only deals with the companies not the artists. Hybe company us divide in to different branches that handles different parts of the company. Hybe labels is were all the music companies are. But all companies under hybe work independently. Hybe doesnt infere with the daily operations of the company. Hybe labels gives the resources to the companies if the need it. Each labels gets the same amount of money to debut their groups and for comebacks. The other branch of the company has all their others business like I.T, GAMES, AND EUDUCTION. the other branche of the company is the platforms and weavers store.

[@johnjackson3735]

Garam is innocent of bullying and violence according to the official school disciplinary report; therefore, she should have stayed in Le Sserafim. Garam defended a friend verbally who pleaded for help when Eunsoo took hidden photos of Garam's friend in her underwear and hacked a facebook account to post them online under another name to incriminate an innocent student. Eunsoo's rich father used his influence to push through a disciplinary committee that was biased against Garam. Yet, the level 5 offense that Garam received for defending her friend with a cuss word or two carried 0 severity points for violence and was the most common one given at her school, while Eunsoo's very rare level 8 offense carried 16-20 points in severity of violence which was beyond suspension. Yet, the rich father used his influence to get Eunsoo to transfer schools before the punishment could be implemented and jealous Eunsoo bullied Garam at the new school by getting boys in online chat rooms to threaten violence against her and keep inviting her so she couldn't leave the chats. Garam also had insults and obscenities written on her desk at school. Eunsoo's intense jealousy of Garam debuting in her favorite kpop company was one of the primary driving forces for the lies and corruption to drive Garam out, but another pivotal reason the powers in kpop and South Korea were so rabid in going after Garam is that she stood up to the rich elite's perverted "right" to post child porn online, use blackmail to control girls' lives, and incriminate others by stealing their identity to post it so they don't get caught. In their demented minds, this is what they call a perpetrator of crimes. As a result, Eunsoo's rich father purchased a dirty law firm to file a fraudulent lawsuit with the ulterior motive of destroying Garam's career since it coincided with Garam's debut in Le Sserafim and had nothing to do with the stated intent which was accusing Garam of bullying, since the school incident happened four years before and was caused by the violent actions of sexual harassment and theft of a facebook account by Eunsoo. According to the Korean Broadcasting System (KBS), Garam was by far the hardest hit target by Kakao Organization affiliated with Starship with 336 slanderous articles written to destroy her reputation. Kakao is currently under investigation by the FTC for reverse viral marketing. Kakao falsely claimed that Garam was an ex Starship trainee who was removed for bullying other members which was a lie. Furthermore, Kakao is responsible for the slanderous picture and article claiming that Garam had written down with Ive and other famous kpop groups on a blackboard, even though Garam is not seen in the picture and even though she hadn't attended that school since 2018 which was long before the group IVE even formed. Finally, they are responsible for lies about Garam bullying other Le Sserafim members. it is obvious that there was a coordinated conspiracy to cancel Garam, especially with the fake evidence and fabricated photos spread all over the internet by the fake victim, Eunsoo, her rich father's purchase of a dirty law firm to file a fraudulent lawsuit with the ulterior motive of destroying Garam's career, and Kakao's viral flooding of the internet with negative and slanderous articles against Garam who was innocent of the false allegations. While Hybe appeared to defend Garam in a superficial sense by putting out an official statement that recounted Garam's version of the story, it was done in an impersonal way with statements like According to Garam. Furthermore, it was issued too late, since it also announced that she was being placed on hiatus. However, the real incompetence and undermining by Hybe came from their refusal to let Garam make the public statement she requested in mid-April and their refusal to let her release the official school disciplinary report which she also had available in mid-April. Even worse, Hybe's complete betrayed of Garam came when they refused to release this critical information even after Eunsoo's side released a cropped and marked on part of the school disciplinary document which only indicated Garam's offense. Furthermore, they didn't release the testimonies of the many students that supported Garam's innocence. Hybe also never filed lawsuits for libel or slander against all the false information and incriminating faked photos posted by the fake victim (real bully) or against the death or sexual assault threats that were posted online which badly damaged Garam's reputation and traumatized her psychologically, especially since she rarely left her dorm room during the time of her hiatus because of anxiety and depression. This downcast condition and isolation persisted for an extended period even after Garam left Hybe and went home. This cyber witch hunt fueled with malicious lies didn't give Garam's side of the story which would have been based, if it had been allowed to take place, on official school evidence, direct testimony and the emotional resonance of Garam's personal appeal. The effect was to create great hype at the moment of debut but to destroy the mental health of Garam who was falsely accused and served as the scapegoat for the group. There is even a haunting scene in an ad in which Garam falls really hard on a car which suggests that she is Hybe's fallen sixth angel, since Le Sseragim means six angels. Then after a long hiatus and a period of silence, Hybe dumped Garam with no attempt made to clear her name, even though they had all the evidence to do so and even though they had used the excuse of an upcoming trial against Eunsoo as the reason not to reveal the evidence to exonerate Garam. The defender against sexual exploitation, Garam, was severely punished and Eunsoo, the sexual offender of Garam's friend and facebook hacker was rewarded. Therefore after Garam's unjust cancellation and while sunk in the depths of depression, it was left up to Garam with the help of her faithful friend Yudimi to muster up the strength to clear her name by releasing the official school disciplinary report and Garam's explanatory statement in August, in which Garam refuted many of the falsehoods by saying she never drank or smoked, never bullied or ordered anyone around, never transferred schools and never used violence. She also had the honesty to admit that she would have handled the defense of her friend a bit differently now that she had the perspective of more maturity but was adamant that in principle she had done the right thing because her parents had taught her the importance of defending a friend in a time of adversity. But honestly, Garam's actions seem really honorable and reasonable considering the severity of the offense: yelling and saying a couple of cuss words at Eunsoo for posting half nude photos of her friend as a profile pic online and hacking a facebook account to incriminate another student. Better yet, I thought of Garam's actions as a wise lesson posed as a question: If every member of a group and its fandom had the guts to defend a targeted member the way Garam defended her friend against a powerful and perverted enemy like Eunsoo, wouldn't all these unjust bullying cancellations like of Jimin, Soojin and Garam come to an end? In Garam's closing address in her letter, she thanked her fans with a harbinger of hope, GaramDream. And the strength of Garam's and Yudimi's efforts freed from Hybe's draconian restrictions turned the tide of public opinion in Garam's favor. Presently, there are some hopeful signs such as Garam giving thanks to her fans on her birthday for her video banner in Seoul on November 16, and 6 days later the first beautiful photos of Garam in her yellow school uniform appeared on twitter. My hope is that if Garam wishes to return to music that she will go into jpop in Japan, as I think it would be safer and give her far more freedom of expression and action. Garam is also quite popular there, comments are more positive for her there than in South Korea, there are far fewer risks, and Japanese songs are longer with storylines that include acting in the videos, which is a great fit since she is currently studying acting at the School of Performing Arts. Plus, the big money influences and propaganda and cancellation campaigns waged against her in kpop will have far less influence in Japan and she will have better protection in Japan from the depravity of lies, misogyny, jealousy and hypocrisy. However, I will support her in whatever she decides to do especially if it is kpop or kdrama because she will need a lot more protection then. Garam is one of my very favorites because of her great beauty and charisma on stage and her fabulous singing, dancing, and her strong integrity of character at such a young age. Her soothing sweet vocals with a touch of sassiness in Blue Flame and Sour Grapes are like a delightful dream and her beautiful ferocity in Fearless is captivating. Her heartbreaking story and efforts to rise again from great persecution are a true inspiration and remind me of an epic movie, so it is certainly no coincidence that she is studying to be an actress. I just wish her the best of success, happiness with love and trust from family and friends, and warmth and understanding from all over the world.

[@allways_alexa]

As a new Engene (literally for about a month), it did cross my mind how Hybe gave them generic concepts (except for Dark Blood). And even if I just started liking the band, I can objectively look at their discography and sometimes think they are being modeled after BTS sometimes with their sound. I love BTS but I would hate for the label to not give the ENHA boys a chance to shine distinctly on their own. The BITE ME concept did so well because they took risks there but again stumped at the K-netizens’ plea for changing choreo and all. But again the whole vampiric theme is great! On the other side, &Team is under Hybe Japan with 4/9 members came from Iland like the rest of ENHA. But you can see the lack of promotion in platforms where they could be bigger. Instead, HYBE keeps debuting NEWER girl and boy groups without helping the established ones gain more traction. And yes, like TxT, Enhypen, &Team to name a few. Clearly, they’ve become more greedy and understandably so, but all cases in point in this video are indeed factual. It’s sad for the boys/girls whose music we each enjoy. I’m not subscribed to Hybe, just the groups. I watch their Official MVs though and stream their music on Spotify. I engage on their Tiktok and IG too since those are the only socmed i have.

[@deepthigodabavenkata8471]

For comebacks, "All boats rise with the tide". Bts is the tide. The entire kpop industry does what hybe does, it is very profitable. Unless a group is aiming for a music show win, having a comeback close bts is better than any other time.

[@deepthigodabavenkata8471]

Unpopular opinion/ conspiracy theory, this phenomenon was discovered when blackpink had a comeback when bts was blowing up. In my opinion, this and the girl crush concept being new is what made BP so popular.

[@andrewalltheway]

@@deepthigodabavenkata8471 Your opinion will remain unpopular.

[@kadyll1396]

The entire kpop industry does what hybe does? Have u ever seen nct and exo release a song in the same month? Or red velvet and aespa? Or twice and itzy? Or ikon and blackpink?

[@deepthigodabavenkata8471]

@@kadyll1396 umm... this isn't what I meant. I meant groups having a comeback near bts' comeback. I feel like they have statistical backing for doing this. Btw, atleast one of the groups you mentioned in each of your line is old/inactive.

[@kadyll1396]

@@deepthigodabavenkata8471 groups having cb's near bts? Well, im not a bts fan, but i didnt see any top group i like doing that. And when exo was active, they didnt hav cb's in the same month as nct. Red velvet literally had theirs 4 months before aespa, and bp and ikon never clashed when they were yg's only groups. So even when they were active it didnt happen.

[@namjooning1017]

I didn't want to be so harsh but reading through the comment section I- Yall's ignorance is showing. You know nothing about Hybe, or business at all. It's kind of sad because yall really think you understand. I mean I kind of get it. There are literally zero kpop companies that have the Hybe business model. It's hard for ppl who are coming from JYP or SM or even BigHit Ent. to get it. Took me a while too. But to have 411 completely clueless people, that's a bit much

[@namjooning1017]

I'm not defending anything here. I'm just saying. Hybe isn't a company it's a corporation. BIG difference.

[@sreepragnya291]

I really loved enhypen's old concept.. i started to stan them bcz their concept ws unique but now its like any other boy group

[@soomi]

I don't think HYBE 'owns' these sub-labels, they just provide them a platform in the form of a collaboration. Sure they likely have investments and stock, so they profit from every single thing put out, whether it's Source or ADOR, etc. But in the end the sub-labels are their own respective companies with their own rules and system. Sure BigHit (the source mother company) might have some imput, but I doubt they have the entire last say in a lot of things. They're more collabs than a boss with employees like you describe.

[@nicoleloss7987]

Yes all companies under hybe work independently. Hybe own stack in all the companies. But hybe only gives resources it does infere with any of the artists.

[@nicoleloss7987]

Hybe only owns bighit and ador. But they are independent companies.

[@vvt66410]

I really like bighit’s strategy with txt’s concepts and that’s what really keeps me interested in them. None of their concepts sounded the same at all and they’re always trying something new but suit to the members’ abilities and showcases their versatility. But this doesn’t work with enhypen. Their earlier concepts suited them so much and i wish they didn’t have this sudden change. A typical boygroup hiphop concept just doesn’t make sense for them because as far as i know they don’t really have any rappers. Drunk-dazed, given-taken and fever was the perfect foruma for them. I’m just surprised how they turned from one of the few 4th gen boygroups with a pretty good discography and concepts to just an ordinary boy group.. i really dislike their new songs but i’m looking forward to what’s next for them

[@namjooning1017]

HYBE isn't a company per se. Hybe Corporation has Hybe Labels, and under Hybe labels we have BigHit, Pledis, KOZ, ADOR, Be:Lift Lab, HYBE JAPAN. They are (and their contracts state that they are) independent labels. Hybe employees have said that the head office rarely gives them any sort of input. There's a video that can explain it better: kzbin.info/www/bejne/emebn2WBfJulgq8

[@mochiyeosang1908]

Those polls where people vote Hybe as best company are so funny to me lol

[@mochiyeosang1908]

@A wanting to make money isnt what makes a company bad

[@nicoleloss7987]

People don't even understand that is not a regular music company it is a corporation. Their are 3 different branches to the companies. People also don't understand that all companies under hybe work independently. Hybe corporations is the business section of the company it has no relation to the artists it deals with the companies. The other branches of the company are hybe labels, solutions and platforms. Hybe labels is were all the music companies. Solutions is were all the technology companies. And platforms is were vlive ,weavers and the weaver's store. Hybe is not involved with the daily operation of any of the companies. Hybe only makes money base on the % ownership and contracts agreement with each company.

[@nicoleloss7987]

Hybe labels supplies resources to the companies if they need it. Hybe also gives each company the same amount of money for debute and comebacks.

[@nicoleloss7987]

People also don't understand that hybe has no authority to disband any group.only the company and artists can . When hybe payed off pledis and source music debits . They have a agreement hybe will get a % of profits from the company. And in agreement hybe would supplie resources if need but not infere with the mangerment of its artists.

[@butterbuttersbetter3689]

This video doesn’t understand the concept of individual independent companies under an umbrella corporation, nor does it understand the difference between governance and management.

[@jrjejune]

You provided so much constructive criticism to Hybe, and I appreciate your efforts in creating this video. I hope Hybe pays attention to their flaws and improves.

[@Hellokitty_391]

#freeSVTfromhybe

[@HailToTheMeep]

So. You think HYBE should debut one group..... what .... per year? So if they have 20 groups, one of them will have to wait 20 years to comeback? What make you think TXT is going to be overshadowed less if they debut a year later? Or a month later? INSTEAD of being able to ride the wave of people who are checking out HYBE LABELS channel? That was how I ended up enjoying SEVENTEEN. I agree with the abrupt changes in "concept" with TXT and Enhypen. Especially for ENHYPEN. As if someone in charge of artistic directions had been replaced, or ordered to change. Something weird is happening there. Garam? HYBE is not a court of law? How is it their responsibility whether she is guilty or not? They stood up by her side as a company and that is the ETHICALLY thing to do! You would rather artists are thrown under the bus no matter what as soon as accusations are surfacing? Letting her go is also the right BUSINESS DECISION. REGARDLESS of her innocence or guilt. Because that is irrelevant. The issue has become bigger than the group.

[@nicoleloss7987]

It is normal for kpop group to change concepts. As group starts to mature some concepts might not fit anymore.

[@HailToTheMeep]

@@nicoleloss7987 Abrupt, I believe, is the operative word here

[@nicoleloss7987]

Jhope was the one who decided on no physical album. Jhope said it in his vlive . Respect his choice.

[@brennathecatlover4360]

Someone literally got mad at me cuz I said hybe doesn’t give af about u or the idols and uses them as a cash cow. And they’re like “every company does it worry about sm rn” like no shit the majorly of companies only care about money same with sm but at least sm doesn’t hide the fact they don’t give af unlike hybe. Then someone was like “they’re everywhere hating hybe and Bts” like no honey you’re mad about the truth that hybe isn’t the utopia u think it is and Bts are problematic like every kpop group

[@nelliebellie2222]

7:11 Maybe its just me but I have to disagree with the Fever concept being overly sexual since its not. The fans sexualized Niki beacuse they choose to that has nothing to do with the concept and the compnay. It has everything to do with what the perverted fans wanted to see as they still sexualize him till this day and its not only when hes dancing to fever. On the other hand Lesserafim's choreographer should of known better with that dance move since it is still provocative and Eunchae and Garam were and still are underage. And yes I know they didnt perform it on stage, but it was still shown in the mv which is still unacceptable so I agree with the Lesserafim's situation because the company had a choice to remove that part of the mv before it was released and make them do something else but they didnt.

[@soft4taeng]

Although i think fever’s concept wasn’t exactly the best choice for the minor members, i understand what you mean. At the end of the day stans find a way to sexualize anyone no matter what concept they do, even if it’s an innocent one. And regarding le sserafim’s choreo you’re absolutely right: even if they didn’t show it in live performances it shouldn’t have been in the mv in the first place. I wonder what went through the choreographer’s mind, they seemed to have forgotten about Eunchae and Garam’s ages.

[@nelliebellie2222]

@@soft4taeng Exactly thx for responding

[@sunkijayloppaa3037]

But heeseung's bed scene is not necessary if it's not aiming for some baiting, y know ☠ still agree with you tho, since other than that, fever lyric re actually abt an unrequited love, that u're burning from your own love bcs u just can't unlove your person of interest even though it hurts like hell. I remember singing fever while crying, thinking abt a love that i would never get lol. So yea, while the lyrics itself is not inherently sexual, the image, the shoots n the whole mv is just giving sensual vibe, i could say.

[@jingl3ball]

@@nelliebellie2222 coming back to this after that clip of enhypen literally doing a sexual move on stage….

[@nelliebellie2222]

@@jingl3ball Which move on stage?

[@abir9971]

Honestly there’s no such thing as a good company I thought P nation was a good company that was until Jessi,Hyuna,Dawn left

[@happyfreakangel7233]

i am a late kpop fan. i was always confused why they need different versions for one album.

[@zhisu2665]

BTS only started being treated "good" after they got famous but even then they're still extremely overworked.

[@KOOKlEDOUGH]

I don't particulary care for Hybe or anything, but a lot of this is just speculation. By asking "do you really think?" and being like "I'm sure it's like this" with several of your points you're not presenting any facts really. There is a lot you can say ab Hybe and it's sub labels, and all you said in the video weren't wrong but a lot of this is basically just speculation because we don't know... idk just a thought

[@nicoleloss7987]

They don't understand any. All these people in the comments section need to take business class and music management class to understand . All companies under hybe work independently.

[@emmabruh]

Company stans are weirddddd fr, listen you can be a fan of multiple groups under one company and that’s totally fine, but constantly defending a company with all that you’ve got is so weird, like get a life these companies only care about money - debuting minors and constantly giving them slightly suggestive concepts is straight up disgusting and they’ve done it multiple times now - disbanding Nu’est just days before their 10th anniversary while they had a bunch of stuff lined up so said anniversary, even the members said that they didn’t even have a chance to say something….so shady - disbanding Gfriend when they had just reached their biggest peak yet - countless amount of cultural appropriation ( which is sadly common in all of Kpop) -actively supporting Russia…I mean we all know why that’s not okay - I despise need SVT to get out of their claws, the only reason they haven’t gotten to them is bc Woozi and Bumzu make their music themselves

[@FlagGov]

I'm not sure about the laws in Korea, but in America if a company is very large and buys up their smaller competitors, they would need to be very careful about communication among subsidiaries (like coordinating when different albums will be dropped) in order to avoid being sued for antitrust violations. Two things I'll add. Outside of BTS & Seventeen, I've seen a fair number of lives where it seems like Hybe group members were concerned about their words in a way that seems as though they feel they're being scrutinized by their staff (I hope that's not the case). During I-land, I thought the producers/coaches gave criticism in ways that sometimes seemed punitive rather than constructive. With their newer boy groups (I'm not as familiar with their girl groups), I don't feel like they're doing a great job differentiating the music styles between groups. It's great to experiment, but when the groups feel like they don't have a sound of their own, it can feel like they're churning out songs and giving them to the next available group instead of crafting something fitted to the group.

[@lemizinga7578]

🙄🙄🙄u people hv too much Time in ur hands

[@Dreamer-fw6dl]

I'm not a fan of BTS's new music like this year's comeback they could have done something else not giving us the same thing I just lost interest and I'm now waiting for their solo albums. In my opinion, I think groups should just stick to their own concepts that made them well-known cuz that's what works for them and for a lot of people. But people blaming hybe for the disbandment and all that we know knowing about is sad cuz all companies have groups that have disbanded or artists working as slaves so no company is better all of them are equal money-making machines that's it.

[@sunsunisreal5349]

Well I think not of BTS new song because it had meanings behind it, all the things they went through and their journey, and I'm sure you love some idols( I'm not gonna mention who) music that are absolutely meaningless, since most of the netizens don't know korean but yeah, and I hope you don't get me wrong but I was trying to clarify that the song was actually good since they've worked hard. 😊

[@Dreamer-fw6dl]

@@sunsunisreal5349 yeah i get your point. Yes, the songs have heavy meaning but still, there was something missing. Run was a good one they tried. But they need to change the producers or something cuz the way things are going ain't it. I don't know those other idols since I'm a fan of good music. On a scale of 10, I'll probably give them a 4. Is not wrong to sing about how they've come I like but don't you think they are dragging that at this point. Like Dynamite and Butter were top notch but it's been like 2 years since we had a new album and now they went into a break for let's say 2 years those are 4 years of break. BTS has a lot to offer for sure as an army I know their potential but BigHit/Hybe needs to sort their issues real quick.

[@sunsunisreal5349]

@@Dreamer-fw6dl yeah your right , it's got something no actually everything to do with the producers and Hybe, I think hybe is kinda shadowing bts for other idols to stand out. I suddenly feel like a lawyer. 😂

[@Dreamer-fw6dl]

@@sunsunisreal5349 strategic move for them to have more than one group with high incomes and fame😂😂😂😂😂look at you soo smart😂😂😂😂

[@sunsunisreal5349]

@@Dreamer-fw6dl lol why do I feel like I know you 😆 🤣 😂

[@VIDAH_]

Well said. Never understood why people stan a company UGH

[@loonatheverse]

Bighit was good until it became hybe

[@nicoleloss7987]

Wow . Hybe is a corporation it is the business section of the company. Hybe has 3 other branches hybe labels, solutions and platforms. Newsflash all companies under hybe work independently. Hybe labels only supplies resources to it sublabels it doesn't infere with it daily operation.

[@pmmcrn]

And because HYBE literally cooperates in russia AFTER the war has started. I cant imagine how some ukrainian armys must feel, especially if they lost close friends and or family members

[@rowanjoy419]

Actually is not, a company would not ask you for your school records, that is weird, in your resume you just put in what school you went, nothing else, nothing about your grates, just what school and how far do you get, that means if you graduate or not and that is it, obviously you put in the resume if you have other work experiences but you do not have put a freaking easy, they do not have the time to read that sh1t.

[@no-wi8oi]

hybe did defend garam and deny the rumors

[@johnjackson3735]

No Hybe betrayyed Garam but so many Hybe company stans trying to whitewash the horrible injustice and abuse of a minor they committed. This has made me see why Hybe is so despised. Horrible Hybe forbid Garam to release ANY official evidence or testimony from the many students which attested to her innocence. Instead, they forbid Garam to release the official school disciplinary report that she had prepared on April 15 three weeks before debut. They also LIED to the students who testified to Garam's innocence by saying their testimonies would be used at trial. Evidence of Hybe's betrayal is best evidenced by the fact that opinion turned greatly in Garam's favor after she and her friend Yudimi had the guts to release the official school disciplinary report after Horrible Hybe dumped Garam r likely taking a payoff the dirty big money daddy of Eunsoo, the rich jealous pervert who posts child prn online and hacks facebook accounts to frame innocent children for the crime. Instead Hybe throws brave defenders of friends who are victims of bullying under the bus. The statement they sent out only said that Garam claimed. The company did not corroborate the claims themselves because they were going to sell out to corrupt perverts but what more to expect from a corrupt company that dumped the great group GFriend.

[@hyungwxn]

But they still kicked her out of the group

[@no-wi8oi]

@@hyungwxn garam was getting alotttt of hate ig thats why they couldnt let her stay but they should’ve at least done more just like how jyp protected hyunjin from hate

[@johnjackson3735]

@@no-wi8oi She was getting hate because of Hybe's horrible response aggressively making threats and then not following it up with the ample evidence of Garam's innocence which they forbid her to release. Hybe's treachery and abuse of a minor under their care Garam is clearly show because Hybe refused to let Garam release the official school disciplinary report which she had prepared on April 15, refusing to let her release the many student testimonies attesting to her innocence and forbidding her to release a personal statement and when she did release the evidence opinion changed in her favor. .

[@hyungwxn]

@@no-wi8oi that’s what I’m sayingggg

[@Ish-c1h9v]

It was all good when it was Bighit Music now Hybe corporation is just about money and business

[@Purple_dolphin-m1x]

With regards to txt concert venues. Y'all need to stop saying its cause its their first tour. Enhyphen got venues with 10 000+ seats for their first tour and TXT are more popular ( both int and in kr ). Stop saying that these venues were booked in 2020/, then just give the venues to newer artists ( like new jeanss or lesserafim ) to help them grow as artists while allowing TXT to shine as they are capable of doing so ( not sure if that makes sense )

[@bastetowl3258]

the reason some glam members scammed though was because bighit wasn’t paying them and they needed an income to survive. in the end it was all big hit’s fault for not investing in them and shelving them in favor of bts

[@ariesaraya1822]

The only reason I dislike hybe is because of vlive. They bought it just to shut it down and debut their shitty weverse. I dont even stan hybe artists but because of their greediness we don't get any lives from other idols.

[@LOSTONE_tony]

You where way to kind to Hybe and all the labels. Hybe and its babies and most other labels not associated with hybe are absolutely horrible. Yes they are trying to make money, but you can still do that with dignity. All these labels have zero Honor or Ethics, they completely infected with unsurmountable greed. The industry is completely toxic from the labels to the stans. The labels set it up and start the fire, and the stan feed right into all of it. Stans hate this group or this soloist, they think their no good or they have done something so horrible. Maybe they aren't the best or have done something wrong. Listen to what you like and it doesn't matter who else likes it and if you don't like something don't listen, you don't have to hate. If an idol has done something, well most stans have family friends co-workers neighbors that have done or are doing far worse than these idols if it not themselves and your not trying to shame them to death. All the hate shaming and attaching by stans is usually far worse and more disgraceful than what the idols have done wrong. The idols are surrounded by toxic waste from the labels to the stans and they still smile and do their best to entertain us. they do it while being held to absurd standards and under the biggest microscope there is. Turn that microscope on yourself and your family and friends and see what you find. Are you going to try to shame them to death ??

[@luanaoliveira2505]

yess thank you!! but do you know whats worse?! is that when someone actually speaks out about this problems, HYBE stans, who call themselfs fans, come to you saying that you are not a fan of that group and that you are a hater!! Since when do we need to stan the company to be a fan of a group!! since when do you need to buy their albums or subscribe to their company youtube page to be called a fan?! This is ridiculous!!! A fan supports their idols in the healthiest way they can, there is no rules or steps to become a fan! And also what annoys me about Hybe fans is that whennever this company to thigs to a certain group, just like you said JHope deserved a physical album, instead of organizing something, like stop buying merch for a period of time, in order for the company to see that we are not happy (because the only thing they see is obviously money), no they come to the internet/ social media and just talk about the subject, and do nothing!! do you know why? Because it will affcet the popularity or whatever of that group/soilist!! The only thing that we as fans have to show the companies that we are not happy is our wallet!!! will it affect the group? yess, but its only temporarily!! Sorry for the long message but this toppics are annoying!!!

[@nawelkahloul3988]

nobody said that hybe is a good company but it's 10000000000 times better than companies like sm & yg . & many things that were mentioned here were done by other companies too lol

[@nuestforever.]

I’ll never forgive them for disbanding NU’EST 😒

[@love.251]

Periodt slay

[@20f124]

Fromis had their retro concept from feel good. Feel good and We go came out before Butter and before HYBE even acquired fromis

[@winddragonlundholm1792]

All companies biggest reason for exiting is to make money, how they help people by doing so is just an afterthought and a bonus. Stop acting like hybe is evil for wanting to make money, say that capitalism is.

[@kag_17]

Yeah what HYBE is doing is what all other companies literally does.....

[@nnnnn_91]

That’s what they are saying. Hybe is like any other company out that, they’re just proving how hybe isn’t good how hybe stans portray it to be.

[@sunkijayloppaa3037]

Jay : Even puppies re tuned by capitalism

[@nicoleloss7987]

Hybe is a company. It job is to make money. Talking nonsense. How do you think it pays its staff and artists. Off the money that it make. Take a bunesess class and music management class. Because none of you understand the real world. Talking nonsense

[@milkovinc]

EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS. THANKS FOR SPEAKING UP ABOUT THIS. i love almost all hybe groups but i literally despise hybe because of how they (can't) handle their groups and i also hate it when toxic company stans keeps justifying everything hybe does.

[@nicoleloss7987]

Hybe is a corporation. All companies under hybe work independently. All companies have their own staff. Hybe has no say on debute, comebacks and disbandments that is up to each individual companies. Hybe only is their for resources.

[@milkovinc]

@@nicoleloss7987 so? it's still a bad company.

[@younhakim29]

​@@milkovinc it's not a company, it's an umbrella label. And FYI, a label just provides resources.. it doesn't manage any activities whatsoever

[@milkovinc]

@@younhakim29 it still doesn't change the fact that they can't handle all the groups. ok then i put the blame on soumu, belift, pledis and bighit but still it doesn't change my opinion. hybe is not the perfect company or umbrella whatever you call, everyone make them to be. only newjeans and seventeen are mediocre managed and seventeen didn't even debut with them, so i find it pretty normal.

[@younhakim29]

@@milkovinc then you can call out the respective companies for being incompetent, not the label lmao. The label just looks over the financial, legal and other jurisdictional activities. Also, I wasn't even trying to argue with you btw, I was just providing enlightenment just in case you didn't know.

[@dont.look.at.G]

honestly about the schedule releasing stuff, yall can say what you want, but jyp is extremely clever with their groups comebacks...

[@baekju9838]

I'm happy for my fromis girlies because ever since in otr aka the shittiest company, the management and the staffs are always taking care of them and even when they transferred to pledis they didn't quit or even change groups. YES PEOPLE THEY STILL ARE THE SAME TEAM AS BEFORE, evn though there are new additions to the staffs

[@sunsunisreal5349]

First you must be really clever at school, second I agree , the G friend disbandment was meaningless, enhypen's fever knowing that niki, jungwon, and sunoo where still minors at that time , and the same concept problem, like Hybe come on you've got most of the best artists out there and your doing their images bad you can do better, and that same timing thingy I absolutely agree with , like wth what are you trying to do. I think I talked too much 😅 sorry but I was waiting for this for long and yeah. 😂

[@nicoleloss7987]

Wow you do realize hybe is a corporation it has no relation to the artists. It hands business deals and other stuff for the companies. Hybe has different branches of the company. Hybe labels, solutions and platforms. All companies under hybe work independently. Hybe is not involved with the daily operation of any of the companies. Hybe only makes money base on the agreement with each company.

[@sunsunisreal5349]

@@nicoleloss7987 dude ik each work independently but at the end of the day everything is based on what the ceo of hybe wants, imagine you want to travel wouldn't you ask your protector/the one responsible of you first? The same case with hybe none of the company work as freely as you think they take permission from hybe THEN do the sh*t so yeah.

[@thatminari]

Hybe and Yg are the worst big companies

[@skarbuskreska]

Your boss comparison is totally wrong. That's not how it works. There are other umbrella companies like Hybe for example some that hold several car brands, and yes indeed they don't interfere, ever car brand company does their own thing, they are managed totally different. And the only thing that the umbrella is interested in, are numbers. How you achive your numbers/sales/revenue is not of importance (unless you break laws or so), but they will not manage into how the designers design the cars, how the assembly lines are set, which new car developments are done etc. They care for the money only. Same with Hybe, each company manages their own artists, does their own music etc. Thus they prevent them all sounding the same, looking the same, etc. There will be certain collaborations like e.x. variety show, Webtoons and storylines, Weverse concert and recently the Soobin and Seungkwan Live, but the music and concept paths and management styles are different. As for the other points, it's inevitable that their groups will compete, TXT change concepts but had always a clear paths, the Garam situation might have ended that way because she wanted out not because Hybe didn't want to protect her, disbandments happen (although I agree the Gfriend one was weird), j-hope never complained about the physical album, said he took part in ALL choices, so there was no hypocrisy, the minor thing is indeed a problem, especially when the ages deviate so much, like the other members might be naturally at that stage but then the younger ones still aren't by years. And as for Enhypen, personally I think that Belift is the worst in my opinion from all the companies to manage the group. Apart from the sound that went into a direction that I didn't like (but that is personal, so still ok), I think they did not really let the potential of members shine, like I was really curious about Jungwon after Iland, but he doesn't really shine, the same for Heeseung and others, they don't let them participate in writing much. But what I dislike the most, is how when they have lives they look so concerned to the staff each time, compared to TXT who literally joke with their staff, Enhypen seems to be totally under control by Belift.

[@jlt960004]

I’m here for bts and bts only. I just kinda shrug when it comes to the rest. Yeah hybe ain’t perfect. They do actually get a say in what all their subs do except BigHit. BigHit separated themselves when hybe because public so bang pd could let the artists not have restrictions. Yes txt and bts having overlapping schedules is a problem but literally sm does the same and so do western labels. Guess what, you might be friends but you’re still each others competitors. Are we supposed to just wait 3 months for another group to wrap up while our album that is finished just sits on a shelf collecting dust because * checks notes * we want that win on Inkigayo? And ffs jhope even said in his documentary that comments about the lack of physicals bothered him. If you’ve watched how bts’s solos have gone, they are all so incredibly different from each other. If you really think the company was behind that decision I’d like to point you to the nft situation. Hybe was moving in the direction of nfts for all groups but RM came to the executives and said “not for bts” and THEY LISTENED. Hybe wanted yoongi to do a stadium tour but he himself said he’d rather have an arena tour since this is his first solo one. Hybe stood to make a lot of money off of nfts from the group, stadium tour from yoongi and physicals from jhope yet didn’t. Hybe and BigHit listen to bts and I’m tired of entitled fans or people that don’t stan bts not taking their word as is. Bts have some HUGE leverage in their careers it’s time we listen

[@nemochingu1855]

i will never forget hybe for disbanding my girls gfriend

[@nicoleloss7987]

Hybe can't disband any group. You really don't understand. Only source music and gfriend can disband them. When pledis entertainment, source music and koz entertainment came under hybe their agreement started that hybe can't infere with the mangerment of their artists. Hybe stated they would only give resources to the companies. All companies under hybe work independently. Hybe only make a profit on the agreement amount companies made a contract with them for.

[@yooyoyoyoyo243]

At the end of the day. Companies are companies. There is so "good company" as people make it seem. It's all an image

[@Sanatizer_143]

Im still glad enhypen had the vampire concept in dark blood And make sure to check out their new album!

[@RaySong-zl5rc]

And fromis 9 is always being left out by hybe Not enough promotion Like Wtf

[@togahimiko8549]

Im so sad for what they did to GFRIEND

[@yesseos]

agreed with 100% off what your saying except for txts concept changes bus they never really changed their concept to follow trends or anything its just that their concept is growing up and aging as a teenager so that's why its always slightly different

[@o.m9514]

Just because someone is making noise about an idol, it doesn't mean they did something, it could really just be jealously but just because people are really holding on to it like it means, something, THAT permanently ruins something, eg Garam, and MANY others.

[@nicoleloss7987]

To the person who made the video I would like to says that even if bighit had bts and txt comeback close together brought group won awards and sold millions in album sells. Pledis entertainment seventeen sold millions in sells. Fromis9 did well .

[@Diaaazzz]

Hybe has set sucha low standard for idols talent tbh yg new girl grp is so putstanding but leserfaim is a hot mess

[@nicoleloss7987]

First I would like to say to the person who made the video that hybe doesnt have a say in when companies debute or has a comebacks. Hybe doesnt infere with the daily operation of any of the companies all of them work independently. Let me explain something to you hybe only supplies the sublabel with the resources they need.

[@choisoobin1224]

Ppl actually Stan company’s 💀⁉️

[@masfiajuthee7770]

When it was named big hit it was much better than now as hybe

[@nicoleloss7987]

Wow you don't understand anything. Hybe corporations is the business section of the company. It business is only with companies it has no real to the artists. Hybe has 3 different branches hybe labels, solutions and platforms. Hybe labels gives resources to the all companies under them but doesn't infere with the daily operation. All companies under hybe work independently. Hybe solutions is the technology and education companies. Hybe platforms is vlive ,weavers and the weaver's store.

[@masfiajuthee7770]

@@nicoleloss7987 i know that. I mean the era when it was big hit and they were only managing bts

[@Junjisboi]

it was a horror n mature not carnival

[@sophietessier8998]

garam situation is so sad, a minor girl was bullied out of her dream. the victim never had closure. the inapropriate leaked photos of garam's friend are out. Builling case are taken less seriously and become more and more like a joke. From the fiew information about the trial, all we can understand is that both partie were in the wrong and imature ( what people expected they were 14 ) all of this is so maddening. All the crazy fan and anti leaking fake bulling accusation leading to people not lisenting to real victim. all the supposed white knight went bulling a minor as if they weren't idole who injured and killed themself because of unfair online harssement. We just got out of AOA scandal that proove that the netizen souldn't be so extrem and wait for official proof. As if T-ara didn't loose their carrier out of fake accusation. i'm so sick of this, people mental health is at risk here, can't people just shut up and plead for justice in a appropriate and following the law? the victim was already filling againt garam, the issue was already take care of ... insult never lead to nothing good, i even the victim got nothing good out of all of this because, garam crazy fan also bullied her. what a mess hybe fuck up !

[@nicoleloss7987]

Hybe and source music defend garam. But no one believed it . So the company did what was best for garam and the group.

[@nicoleloss7987]

And because garam is a minor the company can't speak on everything because of the law.

[@noshintasnim3205]

I also would like to add a few things ,such as the protection of the idols in public we know how Enhypen and TXT were mobbed by SO CALLED FANS; the world tour should have been an WORLD TOUR rather than an AMERICAN TOUR , I personally don't mind the small space capacity as it was TXT'S first time but also moas aren't that active when it comes to streaming mvs, watching interviews, shows like TO DO and more. This just puts HYBE at a confused state to estimate the number of MOAs who will be attending the concert . I really dislike the Garam situation. There are alot of things that we do as children that we may regret later on. If she was a bully in her past, then that's that . But if she is a changed person now and the members didn't have any problem with her than why does the people of the internet, plus there is this whole cloud of unanswered questions. The promotion of Solo artists is another one. There is this artist called Lee something who is under Big Hit I really question about his activity as an idol cause there is so little that HYBE has done. Plus Zico, the entire K-industry's fastest rapper. He is under his own entertainment which is under HYBE. But the question is , how much can he do all by himself?!! I do understand soloist will always be less popular cause people literally live for interactions. Smuts, shipping of members of one particular group (example-Taekook) are also forms of promoting idols that fans do. I in no means support these acts of the fans but it would be a lie at the very least to say this doesn't increase popularity of idols among the fans who enjoy those stuff. When there is no members the fans have nothing much to do . All the 'XYZ being done with the membres', ''Try not to laugh ,,My favourite XYZ interactions','XYZ's problems/habits' also come from contents released from activities just as TO DO, RUN . This is also something fans find harder to do cause it kinda doesn't exist for soloist. And stuff like vlogs at the time of promotion is also less cause of there being only one member. But this doesn't mean you can't try or do things to promote soloists...

[@nicoleloss7987]

Lee is very successful in Korea and other Asian countries. Zico is also very successful.

[@Ellie-El]

In my opinion HYPE handled the Garam situation better than most companies would’ve. They defended Garam right away still let her debut and when she was still getting hated on they put out information proving her innocence and stood their ground. They then put her on hiatus bc she was indeed being affected by the hate giving that she was only 16 years old and then after a while they ended up kicking her out of the group seeing how everyone was still hating and was liking lesserafim as 5. So they kicked her out bc of her mental health seeing that no matter what they did she was still going to be hated, the only ones that we can blame for the way the Garam situation ended are the “fans”

[@wewannafocuson-9985]

Honestly I really do have to agree , as kpop stan of most of the hybe groups. It's quite true that we have been defending the company knowing the fact that most of the things they do are absolutely degrading and questionable such as their little trend with combacks and the sudden switch of concepts, I do have to say that although fever was a really good song , it was indeed very sensual with half of the members being minors at one point it became a little weird aswell, for the garam situation of course we don't even know if she is guilty at all , if she had done such a thing then they shouldn't have included her in the line up at all which was rightfully mentioned here, so I do agree with all the points here we all should be a bit more open minded

[@nicoleloss7987]

It is normal for kpop group to change concepts. And has members age some concepts will not fit anymore.

[@nicoleloss7987]

All companies under hybe work independently. They all have their own staff. Hybe is only for resources.

[@wewannafocuson-9985]

@@nicoleloss7987 precisely

[@Niyanicole05]

Now why jay the thumbnail

[@sahibsultanshah7612]

PERIODTTT💅🏻💅🏻💅🏻💅🏻

[@v-ullet9528]

Even with just the Garam situation, HYBE is 😬. I really thought they will keep her until proven innocent, I even believed that she's innocent. But now they dropped her in the middle of something and just ruined her life by being exposed on the gp, wether innocent or not.

[@nicoleloss7987]

Wow. Everyone demanded that the cut garam from the group. They did what was best for garam and the group. Hybe and source music defend garam. But everyone believed the rumors. So get your facts straight.

[@v-ullet9528]

@@nicoleloss7987 You're right, they did what's best for Garam and Le sserafim but don't you think it was too late? Yes, by kicking Garam out of the group will get her out of the spotlight of hate and Le sserafim will have peace as a group. However, the damage has been done. They stood with her even before debut. They kept her, debut her, defended her, and then let go of her in the middle when her and the group are already potentially suffering mentally. All of this could have been done sooner but they didn't. Until today, I still believe Garam is innocent and deserved better. In conclusion, neither HYBE nor Source Music handled the situation well.

[@-Blue_Beary-]

Man I'm just trying to find a good (decent) company to audition at 😭

[@cupcake-cx5ov]

Good luck ❤🎉😂

[@Sanatizer_143]

Bpm entertainment exists

[@VIDAH_]

Thank you so much for bringing up J-Hope's situation! They released a physical version for every single artist, even for the rest of the BTS members' solo and they left J-Hope out !! This discrimination and mistreatment are so blatant at this point! They throw J-Hope under a truck for their bs ESG strategy and their image! All of his hard work went in vain cause we lost all the important charts !! Not to mention his non-existent promotions !! Hybe acts as if J-Hope is not even their artist !! Hope he doesn't renew his contract in 2025 I can't bear this company anymore.

[@BAMMIE7613]

u do know right JHOPE WANTED IT TO BE THAT WAY. Did u skip all his content where he said that or what??

[@VIDAH_]

​@@BAMMIE7613 When on earth he said that? he NEVER said he wanted his album to don't have a physical version! NEVER! Hybe threw him on under a truck and people like you clowning around as always. On the contrary, he mentioned how frustrating it has been for him in his documentary. I don't need someone like you to tell me about his content, I'm fully aware of every single word he has said by now.

[@VIDAH_]

@@BAMMIE7613 You people's hypocrisy never has an end when it comes to Hobi. Company stans at the finest. Yall never have eyes on the mistreatment he is receiving! Yeah, he wanted the album that he worked on it over 2 yrs to be treated like a mixtape and have 1/3 promo of what other members are getting? Are you believing your own bs? lmao Jesus christ. there are hundreds of articles that Hybe did experiment on a bts member then we have you saying it's his own decision lol

[@BAMMIE7613]

@@VIDAH_ u just proved u didnt watch any of the content jhope put out. everything about his album was decided by HIM. nd the frustation he said was towards fan like u lol u solos are really something else

[@VIDAH_]

​@@BAMMIE7613 There is not a single reference you can use to back your bs up lol and this speaks volumes about how baseless you're talking rn. The production was up to him not the promotions. Promos are always on the companies. Not even Lolla was planned beforehand until Doja was excluded from lineup. He straight-up talked about how his album having no promo was frustrating for him and all the feedback he was getting from his acquaintances about it! J-Hope never mentioned it was his decision to not have a physical. Just compare the sloppy promotion of his album with Jimin's for example. JITB didn't even have a release timetable and you're saying it was Hobi's decision? lol You are disrespecting Hobi at this point! Being a company stan in 2023 is disgusting mate.

[@ginadawn5319]

I also dont like how they handle bullying within the groups like with Enhypen. Memebers shouldnt be making jokes about anothers weight. Also just because that person laughs doesnt mean they actually think the joke about them is funny. its truly disgusting.

[@nicoleloss7987]

Grown up. They are not bullying anyone. Sunoo has a mouth and can speak for himself. They all live sunoo. Also please understand the difference between how males and females act. Because this is normal guy behavior.

[@lilyglaze2396]

Ok as a korean, I’ll be very honest, i think this is a problem with mistranslation. I watched the clips that people said were problematic, and they were normal, well at least for Koreans, Most of the clips were taken out of context, and on top of that weren’t translated well.

[@shpengu4589]

I know it’s been a while but I think that issue was totally blown out of proportion, and some ppl still think of enhypen as bullies. I’ve stanned many groups before enhypen, like bts, svt, skz, and all of them have in some instance mentioned the weight of their fellow members, calling them pig or talking about how they eat so much. This is gonna be a shock to westerners but these comments are totally normal in east Asia. I’ve heard it from my family, from my friend’s family, and even from strangers I barely knew. While I don’t think it’s a good thing to be talking about weight, it’s still the norm in Korea and I find it so unfair how enhypen was subjected to that hate train while kpop stans pretends their faves never said anything similar