Sonic 3D Blast - 50Hz Vs 60Hz - Upgrading the hardware

[@redhotsonic]

CONFIRMATION, PLEASE READ: So, I've had a fair few comments saying that with Traveller's Tales being based in the UK, the game's original aim was for PAL and that it's actually NTSC speeding it up (rather than being made for NTSC and then PAL dragging it down). After asking Jon Burton via Twitter, he has now confirmed that this is NOT the case and it was always intended for NTSC. Source: twitter.com/JonTt/status/1341105836832092160?s=19

[@Editor909]

I could see why people thought this, but then why do the special stages run faster on pal? What an odd thing to occur.

[@redhotsonic]

@@Editor909 Sonic Team did the special stages for the Saturn version. TT did them for the Mega Drive (Genesis) and they're still slower than NTSC.

[@Editor909]

@@redhotsonic ohh ok. Thanks for the tip :)

[@_mr-needlenose_8218]

NTSC because... I don’t even know because I don’t like slower music it throws me off

[@strangedude9008]

@@_mr-needlenose_8218 maybe it wouldn't if you didnt ever hear the faster version.

[@EvangeRei]

At first I was like "Wow, JP cover is already having Adventure style, is that a little tease??" and then release date arrived and just explained everything

[@GerbilSoft]

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S You have found the secret 50k subscribers screen

[@rjrozeTV]

guess you could say everyone "hit" the subscribe button

[@ym2612girl]

lmao

[@fnln3011]

Fun is infinite®

[@hyperthethiccboi8698]

Yay!

[@Jackgalaga]

NO WAY! NO WAY!

[@LunDruid]

Let's just take a moment to appreciate the Saturn port's fantastic music.

[@jcoolraichu]

Eh always thought the genesis music was better but that's just me

[@mil3sperhour]

Richard Jacques is so criminally underrated! You should check out his Metropolis Street Racer OST cause there is TONS of more songs like those in there.

[@poble]

I much prefer the genesis soundtrack tbh

[@jcoolraichu]

@@poble Yea same

[@billzee89]

The mega drive/ genesis one is farrrrrrrr better than Saturn

[@CrashFan03]

it's bizarre to see that it wasn't fully optimized for 50hz considering it's a british game

[@Oysterblade84]

@Danny Sweeney Yeah total opposite of ''The Terminator'' by Probe Software UK who actually forgot to optimise the game for 60Hz resulting in really fast music. The LinKueiBR/DUSTINODELLOFFICIAL hack actually optimises the audio for 60Hz rather than 50Hz so the music matches the 50Hz speed.

[@kellymountain]

​@@Oysterblade84 from rhs: CONFIRMATION, PLEASE READ: So, I've had a fair few comments saying that with Traveller's Tales being based in the UK, the game's original aim was for PAL and that it's actually NTSC speeding it up (rather than being made for NTSC and then PAL dragging it down). After asking Jon Burton via Twitter, he has now confirmed that this is NOT the case and it was always intended for NTSC. Source: twitter.com/JonTt/status/1341105836832092160?s=19

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

It really is weird, you’d think they would’ve corrected it.

[@Julian_Pepper]

As I recall, the Saturn port was an assembly code port from Genesis to Saturn, so it retaining the Genesis PAL limits makes sense.

[@NovaCore777]

It looks like you got 50k at just the right time, making this a Christmas gift for all of your fans! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year RedHotSonic!

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

It’s really surprising that they didn’t optimise it properly, but it doesn’t bother me really because I mostly play the PAL version and it feels almost too fast already, it must be crazy hard to control in the 60hz version. It feels very natural to me at 50hz, quite slippery and speedy, but once you get used to it it’s not that bad.

[@indielicious9733]

This game is a real BLAST on 60Hz! ...Anyone? ...I'll see myself out.

[@luisjogos821]

Blast,3d blast... i get it

[@gertytk5528]

Every Genesis game is a blast because of blast processing!

[@JarekTEK]

@@gertytk5528 :)

[@jellybear7615]

Oh I see.......

[@cay7809]

Sonic Blast

[@Saiune]

i will always have a soft spot for my 2nd sonic game ever even if it's not perfect. But i love the saturn version of this game! (especially the music) congrats on 50k red!

[@ShiningProdigyTAS]

Sonic: faster than the speed of sound! Pal mega drive: pulls out uno reverse card

[@cgnfake6721]

It sounded kinda good when you mixed the 1st stage theme with the 50hz and 60hz. Had someone actually decided to do a mashup, I feel like it could have come out really nicely.

[@kurichan355]

2:50 When you play a bad flash game and you click play twice:

[@Miles_3298]

9:34 - I just want to take a moment to appreciate the way that you're fighting that boss. The Cool Way, that is. Good stuff. Also, I'm among the (smaller?) crowd that loved this game as a young one and still kind of do.

[@hacktrixapii]

Red, huge congratulations on 50k subscribers. Also, remember the "Does it work on Real Hardware" series? Those were good! Rewatched the whole series three times!!

[@hacktrixapii]

I actually expected the Saturn to fix some of the slowness on the PAL Mega Drive. I was searching for a certain Sonic track I was going to use n a future video, and found the song for the special stages of S3DB. What a banger!

[@brayden6449]

AKA Weird model smiling Sonic vs blue Super Sonic.

[@tylermaxwell9687]

The last time I was this early, KZbin wasn’t a thing I’m not joking

[@makalinus]

628th boissssssssssssssssssss

[@ruchellemiller8423]

Hahahahaha

[@555elohwssa8]

Wow an actual original comment I am shocked

[@JulianR2JG]

Last time I was early, it was BC

[@ruchellemiller8423]

LOL 😂 I

[@themcguinnessexperiment617]

I'm gonna miss this series.

[@CharlesShow]

Sup

[@themcguinnessexperiment617]

@@CharlesShow Oh hey! Nice to see you here.

[@kirisuna19]

@@ViSat6002 Won't be any different!

[@diskdem0n]

Why? Is it gonna go away?

[@meralklc871]

Is the series cancelled now??

[@Nitroxity]

I've always played the NTSC version and I'd still say Sonic is very controllable. DX improves it obviously but I always still had a great time with the original. Honestly I think the aversion to the game (especially in the US) may have to do with our audience's general unfamiliarity with isometric platformers, whereas Europe had plenty of them!

[@stunnastream11]

Technically you can make your own Japanese copy. Jon made Japanese scans for the Diretor's Cut for both box and cart.

[@XentinelSB]

The last part about hairstyles got me good lmao

[@sonikku1011]

Congrats on getting 50k subscribers! 3D is a meh game for me, I grew up with the Genesis version and have more nostalgia for it’s soundtrack. It’s certainly not the worst Sonic game I’ve played. Sik’s no flickies hack is my personal favorite way to play the game.

[@JoSephGD]

So, all Classic Sonic games have been exhausted, outside of a few spinoffs... When's Sonic Adventure: 50Hz vs 60Hz?

[@alfiehicks1]

Not sure if this is a joke, but literally the only difference is that the PAL version supports PAL60, which means it runs in 60Hz and makes use of the higher vertical resolution. Other than that, 60Hz mode in PAL has identical performance to NTSC. There is a 50Hz option in PAL, but this only makes it run in the lower vertical resolution and at 25fps - the game still runs at the same speed, just a bit choppier.

[@t0biascze644]

dreamcast hardware is optimized for 50hz so it runs at same speed

[@stephenmorris8619]

The reason this the tracks on the Saturn version is the same speed is the fact of Redbook Audio use, the same applies to Sonic CD's non PCM tracks.

[@goblinmcgameface]

[ 2:50 ] Wouldn’t ya know it, that sounds like my mind throughout my play-through!

[@wormarms4143]

MAMA LUIGI??? HAHAHA

[@divinesonic2243]

They removed Puppet Panic act 1 music why? It was always one of my favourite tracks from this game.

[@dannyleedawber]

Congrats on 50K here's to more annoyance from m- I mean 100K subs yeah that's what I meant 🤞😂

[@pcostel1]

Man sonic 3d on the Saturn had such a dope soundtrack.

[@andresbravo2003]

My Most requested video! Thank you RHS for uploading this comparison!! 😇🙏🏻😉

[@M3KAI5ER44]

2:50 That was really enjoyable actually, a nice mix.

[@mikofox9798]

The bare console with the spinning disc and fan looming over t about to fall onto it will haunt me til I die. Thanks, RHS.

[@avermineplayer_2]

Sonic and Knuckles 50hz vs. 60hz? I've been waiting for a video for almost seven months!

[@ElPackster64]

Amazing video RHS! And congratulations for the 50K!!

[@abneryates4304]

wow. i always wondered why i had almost no trouble controlling sonic as a kid, but lots of trouble controlling sonic on emulators on this game. now i understand why after the explanation of it being easier to control him with 50hz. thank you for clearing that up! that mystery will no longer plague me.

[@HEXlDEClMAL]

Nice to see ya get to 50k subscribers! You absolutely deserved it.

[@diskus_invr]

2:50 this kinda feels like you're in a long empty hall with the source of the music moving further and further away but staying pretty much the same volume

[@adamsfusion]

The main gameplay slowdown of the Saturn PAL version isn't surprising. The game was ported to C from the original 68000 assembly almost straight across. Without any timing adjustments, it's likely and almost certainly clear by the footage that it's still tied to framerate.

[@MorbyGanaWho]

So... Sonic Adventure 50hz Vs 60hz? Or perhaps spinball? Or mean bean machine? The 8-bit games?

[@RadioTails]

Fun fact. The 16 Bit US and EU versions of the Sonic 3D ROM are the same. The subtitle that appears depends on the Hz setting: 60Hz = Sonic 3D Blast 50Hz = Sonic 3D Flickies' Island I have been meaning to make a code where you choose which one to load. May go and do that now!

[@PatSmashYT]

I love how the saturn thats compatible with 240V is the one having PSU issues in the UK

[@littleguystar]

So the short series is over. Congrats on the 50k subscribers!

[@higoizmahnameiszetcat]

0:20 im cant stop laughing on america design

[@itsNikash.]

Ooh, the return of the speed comparison videos, but with an upgraded boost. 6:36 a nice, cheaper alternative, and temporary solution. Some very interesting results from the PAL side of things.

[@AGwolf2097]

RE: Load times I have the US and Japanese versions of 3D Blast for Saturn, and the Japanese version loads faster than the US version. I wonder if load times were improved for the PAL and japanese releases... Also, always been a fan of 3D Blast, got it on launch day for the Genesis, never had a problem playing it like so many people have complained.

[@UltraSonicHero]

I've always been into Sonic 3D but not the Genesis or Mega Drive versions because I loved the Saturn soundtrack because the songs were more appeasing than just 8 or 16bit. Once played this on the PC when I was a kid and I would always play it over and over again.

[@ВадимКоваль-е2ы]

Thank you for putting so much effort in this kind of videos

[@rxtrotheyoutuber]

0:20 Wait where's my Japanese copy

[@advanced1000]

Why the japanesse dont exist?

[@tortallbaali]

I like the series but I found a few different things in the PAL and NTSC versions of sonic spinball

[@DarkShamilKhan]

I never knew Sonic 3D Blast had a 50hz

[@paddy844]

@Mihnea Bărbulescu Its a britsh game All TT games came to the PAL market.

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

Technically Sonic 3D Blast didn’t, but Sonic 3D Flickies’ Island did!

[@BabySonicGT]

The European boxart for sonic 3D blast looks so cool the black just looks perfect

[@senorsigma327]

congrats for the 50k subs RHS i watch all your videos and i love them :)

[@senorsigma327]

oh and i subscribed like in september

[@ct1660]

Have you considered running Jon 's Director's Cut edition of Sonic 3D? Would love to see a video to see if it works on actual hardware.

[@ArpeggioPegasus]

4:32 if RHS doesn't indicate that it was captured on an emulator, I think it's safe to assume that this footage actually proves that it indeed runs on real hardware.

[@erpresident1312]

Very interseting video. Subscribed!

[@megadriveleo]

Do Sonic Spinball! These are so entertaining

[@mymomschannel9452]

The Japan sonic scares me LOL also Happy 50K and Merry Early Christmas I might not be on KZbin for a while because I have KZbin kids this my mom Phone but just know I'm always watching you on my Fire TV stick your so fun to watch!

[@NunofYerbizness]

I still wonder why no one has yet made soundtrack swap hacks for Sonic 3D Blast yet… It'd be neat to hear the rest of the game's Genesis soundtrack in the Sonic Adventure style.

[@Editor909]

Congrats on 50k! :) Idk what else to put here so have a good day and stay safe :)

[@devingiles6597]

Hey, redhotsonic. It was a coincidence that the Sega Saturn port of Sonic 3D Blast (or Flickies' Island) released in Japan on the same day as the European launch of the Dreamcast on October 14, 1999.

[@ScatterbrainPete]

Correct me, if I'm wrong but I believe that on that same day Japan also got Sonic Adventure International, which fixed a few things present in the original Japanese release from December 1998.

[@goclunker]

Segy stratrun meha Dave

[@RealCrateAbyssGuy]

0:20 funy also as an american, we do infact cover you with Sonic 3D Blast (yea we don't call it Flickies' Island)

[@someguynamedethan4293]

What you you think about doing a sonic spinball 50h vs 60h

[@Ladiesman21717_von_doom]

Congrats RedHotSonic You Deserve it your Amazing

[@connorplays6263]

If I ever go back to Sonic 3D Blast I'm mainly going to play the saturn version through emulation

[@ruchellemiller8423]

THIS WAS AWSOME I LOVE THIS SERIES

[@riseoflion2104]

The Japanese version of 3D Blast on the Saturn is really damn expensive too, gg for getting it RHS!

[@paddy844]

Yeah, its one of the last games for the System as far I know, The Dreamcast was already released in Japan at that moment.

[@riseoflion2104]

@@paddy844 Yeah, they stopped producing the Saturn in 2000, one of the last games on the System. Tbf it's kinda sad, the Saturn has some great games

[@paddy844]

@@riseoflion2104 Especially when you look at the Japan only games. The saturn was a great console.

[@canned-confusion7950]

i just realized I'm an idiot because when i first saw the menu for sonic 3d blast Saturn when the menu said help meaning a help menu i got real creeped out for a sec

[@icecoldbluesonic]

Never did I think I would see the day this happened?

[@Mr_Gamer-Random]

I was honestly surprised when you got the Sega Saturn

[@SluggishRain]

Glad America (a.k.a me) could hold your back here with there being no Japanese Mega Drive copy

[@Absi5the]

Huh I thought it was a sonic 3d blast directors cut review but this is still great nice vid rhs.

[@Turbulation1]

He already did one

[@Absi5the]

@@Turbulation1he didn't do a review on it.

[@Turbulation1]

@@Absi5the well he played it kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZebd2uCeZlom7c

[@mauriciominicuci6544]

3:45 you can't fool me, it's a pun XD and i give it count that the name it's different before you say it, and i was like "wait, 3D Blast isn't that long" XD ×2

[@bluecooler524]

sonic 3d's sync fall appears to be more short than sonic 3

[@ScatterbrainPete]

Are you ever going to cover the 3D Sonic games on the sixth gen consoles (Adventure 1&2, Heroes, Shadow, possibly Riders and the PS2 version of Unleashed and Zero Gravity)? It's definitely an interesting topic, considering that there's a PAL60 option being added to the mix and apparently not implemented well in some cases, which leads to things like Heroes on PAL Gamecube running too fast on PAL60 or Adventure 2 reading button inputs twice).

[@Thamus979]

Wow this is a cool video I played that this year and I liked the game

[@alfonsoinfante7598]

Me encanta tu canal gracias por los subtítulos en español

[@diamondmanpixel76_ng]

2:02 I think that I know what's happening: As you explained in the Sonic CD video, the FMVs are at the same pace. Perhaps Sonic 3D Blast on the Genesis/Mega Drive was going for the same thing here. 7:12 That's because it's CD audio, like with Sonic CD. P.S., maybe you could do Sonic Adventure 50Hz vs 60Hz?

[@pacomatic9833]

2:47 Why does that sound so pleasing

[@madbesthelogoremaker2375]

Can you do Sonic R 50hz Vs 60Hz Next?

[@titaniumex2556]

Imagine if the Sonic 3, Knuckles and Sonic 3D Blast music were optimized, while the Sonic 1 and 2 music was only optimized... just to play 17% slower instead of at least 8 MHz faster like in the arcade (according to a Sega Genesis VSTi called Chipsynth MD)

[@AlexParr]

Ooh, I like the new TV you have there! What model is it, and could you possibly tell me the model of the other one you had?

[@redhotsonic]

This new one is the BVM-D24E1WE and my old one was the PVM-20M2MDE :)

[@deathmatchguy12]

once i got on this i heard THIS WARPING VISUA-

[@paddy844]

The reason why the game was never released in Japan on the Mega Drive is that the Mega Drive actually discontniuted in Japan at that moment. The last released Mega Drive Game in Japan was Mahou Monogatari. Made by Compile. The same think is with the saturn version. It was only released in Japan because they didnt had a Sonic Game for that console. The thing I wonder, wasnt that game actually devolped to run better on Pal? TT is a britsh studio. You said Jon so I would say you are familiar with his channel? (Gamehut) Like always a great Video :)

[@redhotsonic]

I did wonder but I'm not sure if it was made with PAL in mind; going by all my points. I think the slower speed on PAL is just a coincidence because when Jon (GameHut) makes a video relating to Sonic 3D, he's always demonstrating it in NTSC and not once (to my knowledge) has he mentioned about PAL or it being made with PAL in mind. I did contact Jon several months ago and recently again for an interview but unfortunately I never got a reply. Thanks for the info on the missing MD release for Japan. I never thought of that!

[@paddy844]

@@redhotsonic Yeah youre right I looked again brefly at some of his videos, and it always looks like the NTSC version. Maybe it was a game that was made for the american market. But why they didnt made it with PAL in mind then they are actually a british company. Jon was a little unactive as far I know, maybe thats why he wasnt responding. when you want I could try contacting him. I need to correct my statement with the Saturn doesnt have a Sonic Game. Sonic Jam and R were released on Japan. But as far I know the Japan release of Flickies Island only happend because of not having more Sonic Games for the System. and it was very limited in Japan. As far I know one of the more expensive Sega titles for the console. I am gald that I could helped you with my Info about the missing NTSC-J Version of Sonic 3D on the Mega Drive. Keep on going :) I hope you will reach the 100k as far as possble :)

[@ZonicMirage]

Yeah, Sega dropped the Mega Drive almost immediately after the Saturn's release. The MD was a pretty massive failure on the domestic market, so they went all in on the Japan-centric marketing/support for the Saturn.

[@redhotsonic]

We finally have an answer! twitter.com/JonTt/status/1341105836832092160?s=19

[@PlasticCogLiquid]

I loved this game too! Played through it on the PC version :]

[@awesomeman235ify4]

3D Blast didn't have a passport to Japan.

[@paddy844]

The reason why the Mega Drive/Genesis Version never got released was that the console actually didcontinuted in Japan in Spring 1996. Mahou Monogatari was tha last official in Japan released Mega Drive title.

[@awesomeman235ify4]

@@paddy844 I know, I was joking, I know video games can't have passports.

[@hyperthethiccboi8698]

Man this video sure was a 3D Blast.

[@keiyakins]

I suspect the FMV was running at 25fps in pal, and 20fps in NTSC. It very much skips frames, to save on storage, and those are the most convenient skips, being 1/2 and 1/3 respectively. (well technically NTSC is running at a hair over 19.99 frames per second because we slightly reduced the refresh rate to cram in color, but close enough)

[@bangerbangerbro]

DMA works faster on PAL machines as well I think.

[@keiyakins]

@@bangerbangerbro I don't think it does? though it's faster relative to screen refresh, since that happens less frequently.

[@bangerbangerbro]

@@keiyakinsI guess that is probably it, though vblank might be a bit longer relative to the length of a frame on PAL? I'm sure I remember reading something about the actual DMA rate being faster, not just per frame. Something do with that is why Titan Overdrive 2 only works on PAL machines, I think.

[@GioPutty]

I never understood why sonics shoes were orange in some game gear and genesis games

[@stoopidmansidiot]

After playing the JP Saturn version on Mednafen, I can confirm that the Panic Puppet music oddity is a regional difference. Not only that, but some zones like Rusty Ruin have had their act 1 & 2 tracks swapped for some bizarre reason. One positive note, however, is that the previously silent Special Stage results screen plays the act clear music in the JP version.

[@redhotsonic]

Rust Ruin's music is fine for me on my JP disc. Same with Special Stage clear music. Its just Panic Puppet act 2 being duplicated.

[@stoopidmansidiot]

@@redhotsonic Oh, that must have been the wrong zone I was referring to. I could have sworn at least one of the zones had the act 1 & 2 music being swapped. Or was that because of the sound test?

[@redhotsonic]

@@stoopidmansidiot I thought the PC version swapped them over for some reason and not the Saturn?

[@stoopidmansidiot]

@@redhotsonic I checked, and the PC version doesn't swap over the themes. As for the whole act 1/2 music swap thing, that's probably just how the tracks are listed in the Sound Test. Sorry for jumping to conclusions!

[@IronsWorks1990]

Wow my Model 1 PAL Saturn has the exact same issue, makes a groaning sound when you turn it on. I actually thought it was the laser because I didn't see any leaks on the capacitors.

[@Sean-D78]

Traveller's Tales is based in the UK, so I wonder if the PAL speed was the intended speed they were going for 🤔

[@redhotsonic]

We finally have an answer: twitter.com/JonTt/status/1341105836832092160?s=19

[@XAutumnXonYT]

This gesture at 2x speed is hilarious 3:20

[@nicholaskroeplin81]

3d blast for saturn is LIT

[@tommybakes5972]

Hope you have a good Christmas

[@stuff31]

SMASHING 16.9 CRT BRO!

[@xiaolin867]

Owie owie oooh oooh ouch my ears 50Hz and 60Hz music both at once ooooo ouch owie ow ow

[@brayden6449]

Can’t wait to see “Sonic Spinball: 50Hz vs 60Hz” for 60,000 subs.

[@GrounderSez]

spoiler alert: they sped up the music but the gameplay is still slow for the pal version source: i own it

[@redhotsonic]

I have both regions for years. But until I am actually able to beat the first level, this video isn't coming anytime soon =P

[@anttails]

6:14 I had the exact same problem with my model 1 Saturn and ordered the same ReSaturn PSU. So far so good. Just make sure you get a good AC Adapter or else you might end up with some noise on the picture (I experienced that, replaced the adapter and it went away)

[@jerryalexis576]

I find the faster speed on NTSC better for me. Maybe I'm used to it or just the fact that sonic goes faster, but I don't get many "bs" hits from enemies.

[@MARS_UNOVA_burn]

Good job on the 50k sub

[@WakoDoodle]

Ah I remember buying this for PC back in the day ^^ The original pc (or at elast the Eu version) was based not on Genesis, but the Saturn Version. Which means: Weather Effects, a more HD music collection (with ambience) and smoother polygons + a new intro all on PC! However since I bought this AND Sonic CD (which the cd is busted now sadly), I got the deep scary eggman voice in both; so after watching SATAM, imagine my surprise when eggman was not at all scary. >.>