Soooo about Titan Strand…This is awkward (Review in progress)

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[@somebody7205]

What annoys me is that the grenade is not available while the super is active. They said themselves that they found it hard to get close the enemy. So why not just make the grapple available while super is active? Having 3 buttons on the controller that all do the heavy attack is depressing, couldn't there be something else there?

[@PocketTuna]

I felt the same way.

[@justintrippe5616]

Hilariously, the hunter in their roaming super similarly has two attack types as well BUT as a hunter you can STILL access your grapple during it. Makes little sense to me as to why the berzerker is limited in that reapect

[@Ungalo872]

I think after stasis they didn't want another OP situation. For sure it'll get buffed and tuned later down the line

[@PocketTuna]

100% I have a video coming on this as well which is why I’m not all that angry about it. Everyone that complained about stasis being OP and cried nerf has no room to talk about Strand being too weak at launch.

[@romangilyard8529]

Yeah it was cool when you could spam abilities in campaign but after completing the campaign it really doesn't do anything too different other than raise people up but the Bola grenade does that but at a much farther range

[@PocketTuna]

Yeah pretty much. Blue balled you the whole campaign for no reason basically lol

[@vanderlin4966]

Seems like someone isn't buildcrafting properly :0

[@VenomEmi]

one problem i got is when we use the shield and make the enemy stay in the air, whats next? you stay there with no mele charge looking to the eyes of the enemy with no bombs or something, and the titan needs the melee but no punch, no heal, nothing, just punch 3 times and thats all

[@PocketTuna]

In my opinon the melee doesn't do enough but that might be for all classes right now surprsing enough

[@Auzzymandias]

I've only played the first mission because I bought the dlc on pc and I'm stuck on console until my new graphics card comes in, so I can only say that berserker felt good at the spot you first get it at. Very fast animations and great hit regs unlike some melee supers I can think of (looking at you sentinel) but yeah it felt like they just combined the light attack spam of fist of havok with the long range heavy attack of behemoth. I don't understand how they had this woven blade idea, and all the concepts of strand, and didn't think to make something like Kratos' chaos blades. It would be a solution to not being able to grapple too since you could fling a chain blade out like the hunter super can use the rope dart. Or even better, if they're insistent on not letting us grapple, the chainblade could be used to pull enemies to us.

[@PocketTuna]

100% this bringing enemies to us would've been sooooo dope

[@jacobpinson2834]

I love how half the time they place turrets where they need you to look instead of putting in the work to frame things well

[@fragment1296]

While going through the story I ended up just using thunder crash and hammer of sol near the end just felt lack luster over all.

[@PocketTuna]

same. I used thundercrash for the ending

[@itsjustgusluna6927]

Same hahaha i ignored the strand thing on Calus and just use my hammers hahahaha

[@Andrew-zf6yb]

It’s the bungee classic. Units that explode and boss quake when you get close and a super and build made to get you close to them.

[@PocketTuna]

Get close. Do some damage. Dies immediately after. LMAO

[@blueangels111]

Don't forget the enemy that literally takes you out of your super if you get close

[@PocketTuna]

@@blueangels111 lmaooooo just feels bad

[@Andrew-zf6yb]

@@blueangels111 those also so fun

[@blueangels111]

I was moderately worried from the title you meant you were wrong and strand was awesome lol. There are so many people who are acting like it is absolutely amazing and anyone that doubted it is wrong. A lot of people telling me that I was wrong when I said titans exotic is boring. The exotic is extremely strong for sure, but it is still boring in my eyes. The aspects are boring, the exotic is boring, the class is boring. The melee is literally aggressively slapping someone with some tin foil. Great, you suspended them, now what? Strand is an absolute blast, the fun you can have with grapples and tangles is unparalleled. And everyone saying it is unlike anything we've used, they're right. But the subclasses (from what I hear) all suck. By the end room, i just used solar. In that one where "you" blow up the radial mast, you need to use strand to blow up the suppressors. I found myself actively wishing I could go back to my solar build, and frustrated that I had to use strand. And strand titan with the overcharge was suuuper fun. I also think byf put it best. Half the campaign felt like things were there just to shoehorn you into using strand, and not because it made sense. the campaign was strand, not protecting neomuna from the witness

[@PocketTuna]

tin foil lmaoooo exactly what it feels like when shit gets hard

[@pieman930]

They do us so dirty with the exotics for titans every dlc and now another fucking roaming super that is worse then the others. There was nothing NEW about this subclass and just felt like a merged striker and stasis

[@PocketTuna]

Exactly this.

[@monkeyjamzter]

Friend was playing titan and the CC it has with the boots and aspect looks really fun

[@PocketTuna]

100% The best part of Berserker strand so far. The barricade with the exotic is soooo good. Nerf in bound lmao

[@ironwithin5361]

I love the absolute smugness because of having been right all along

[@PocketTuna]

HEHEHEHE gotta let' em know!

[@vincentridley2774]

If I could only pick one I'd pick titan strand

[@PocketTuna]

How come? I played a little of warlock and I absolutely adore that super. It feels nice despite being a nova bomb like super again

[@vincentridley2774]

@@PocketTuna warlock is nice but I enjoy titan bc I keep enemies flouting all day. With a good build you can get abilities back pretty fast. The mod system seems smaller and we got nerfed but once you figure everything out you see why a nerf was needed bc how good some stuff is

[@PocketTuna]

@@vincentridley2774 Yeah agree after you get some fragments strand feels SO much better

[@Blind3866]

So first comment, and honestly, having played through the Legendary campaign, getting teased with strand for all of 5 mins at various moments was...boring, adn frankly in most of those situations I was better off Using ThunderCrash to get the job done faster. The skills were ok, and like you said, everything I could do, so could hunters and warlock, so the only real thing I could do that was " unique" was my super, and while great on Add clear, still has the issue that getting into melee range is dangerous when it comes to bosses. The one thing I found that was "helpful" was the utility of using my shield to lift enemies up so my team could do dmg to certain...Tough..enemies. but frankly, I was just underwhelmed the whole time. I didnt have the wow factor of something that is new and exciting. It just felt boring. I know they talked about how they want it more focused on gun combat, adn that is there, but frankly with the increased difficulty, i just find myself staring around a corner emptying magazine after magazine into a single enemy waiting for them to die cause i can never get my power level high enough to chew through them like before. I feel weak, bored, and just lacking all around. Honestly, I could have done everything they had Strand doing, but as Fist of Havoc, and the only differences would have been that it was Blue, and enemies would just die instead of getting strung up like a messed up puppet target practice demonstration.

[@PocketTuna]

Very well said, that's all there was to it. I'm so disappointed

[@raptorprimal1077]

I like titan strand better than i thought i would but i hope they actually give strand and stasis another super in future like all the light subclasses do. Could also make room for a stasis or strand minigun like all the titans fuckin want

[@PocketTuna]

I feel the exact same. I still like it I just feel empty inside for some reason.

[@jaredstuteville6499]

Definitely and I (as a joke) felt insulted at the final boss.

[@PocketTuna]

@@jaredstuteville6499 I used thundercrash for it

[@CDR_Storm]

Titan main, my general opinion so far is like a 4/4.5 at best with Strand. The melee is ok though the targeting can be hectic for the amount of times I just whiff past and enemy not more then 5 feet away from me. Then just melee myself off a ledge cause the targeting. Grapple is still cool though I'm so use to the campaign cool down then the open world version. Then the super, pretty good for ad clear and suspend enemies but the biggest killer for me was the removal of the "spin attack" from one of the earliest ViDoc's of Lightfall preview. If they kept it, the super would be up there more with DPS with a good build. There is just no survive ability with BladeFury with most times I pop the super I have to run away and spam the range attack. Overall, I hope that somewhere down the line they'll get a 3.0 update and be just right, not to OP but (hopefully) not another class just forgotten about cause it can't hold it's own in endgame.

[@PocketTuna]

I’m tired of whiffing melees lmao

[@Sirthrobinhood]

Having played through on my titan, and now my hunter. The synergy on abilities for titan just isnt there. The kit they force you into feels clunky and disconnected, where as on hunter it feels like the abilities flow nicely into each other. I found myself getting increasingly frustrated everytime i was forced into strand on titan, but looking forward to using it on hunter. It just simply wasnt fun to use berserker on harder content. Id love to see what we can do with titan strand once all the fragments are unlocked but for endgame content it seems ill still be a thundercrash or bubble boy.

[@angelousmortis8041]

EXACTLY! I got Strand's Grenades and Aspects unlocked and then decided to move over towards my Hunter and... Yeah. That was better. So much better. Holy fuck, even just the MELEE is better than the Titan Melee. You throw it into a group of enemies and it's back super quick.

[@jthegreat3627]

My thoughts exactly

[@PocketTuna]

Sad times

[@painlessplate58]

I don't have light fall but I watched the whole video cause your one of the best destiny 2 youtuber

[@PocketTuna]

Thank you so much. Thanks for being. A part of the fam :-) i appreciate ya

[@hiredmuscle404]

when i saw the 3 melee charges i was PRAYING that Severance Enclosure would get some use other than on a bonk build but as usual i was disappointed

[@PocketTuna]

OoooOOOOO have you tested that yet? Sounds like it could possibly be good?

[@hiredmuscle404]

@Pocket Tuna didnt work...either severance enclosure only works on light sub classes or they forgot about which seems more likely

[@nycto5335]

The build I've found useful has been using the new Exotic legs. Spamming shield wall let's you CC the fuck out of enemies and stuns some champions. But ehhhh. I found it funny how in the ViDoc they mentioned how the melee is supposed to be this combo thing but if used optimally you usually only have one charge on it. I've tried building into melee cooldown but the shield wall build is still more useful and the melee does not do as much damage as i think it should. The Super ends up feeling like a better Striker but not good enough to pick over a lot of the other super options. The neutral game is kinda fun but I can't say much since I haven't tried Hunter or Warlock yet which could be way more fun comparably in their neutral game. So I'll make up my mind on that after I try the other two. I like how they stayed true to what they said about APM (actions per minute). Creating and picking up the tangles, grapple melee, CC with shield wall, etc. on top of the usual shooting creates a kinda nice loop of pressing a lot of buttons and stuff. Also yeah the grapple cooldown is so bad. There's a fragment that should help with it but it's time gated right now. The only time I felt like Strand was useful in the campaign was in the last fight. I could grapple around the area to avoid Tormentors and the CC would let me DPS the Tormentors easily. Second phase was also easy. Just grapple around and use Witherhoard and finish it off with a Super. But yeah they should've just let us buildcraft with it earlier. If given the option most of the time it was better to stick with whatever build you had on instead of trying out Strand.

[@PocketTuna]

You said it best. It's definitely just a better striker

[@draysmusicalshtposts6340]

This gon be super nitpicky, but idk why they renamed the subclass when as of right now, it's main selling point isn't a meh Melee and admittedly fun super: it's being tanky suspend city. Strand has my gorilla ass actually sitting back and using my guns for once. I think the whole loop of stripping the enemy's ability to fight back away as you pick them off fits the Tyrant moniker far better than it does berserker. The class, while good and pretty fun, feels incongruent with its own namesake lol.

[@PocketTuna]

My thoughts exactly!! I've never used my guns so much on the Titan class lmao

[@AtameJones]

Those last two missions on legendary solo as a warlock really tested me. I feel like I would've liked the campaign a little more if there had been one or two more mission so we could've got a peek at what the witness wanted the veil for.

[@ltsmithneko]

You could actually sit underneath the stairs in the calus fight n' shoot through em, then walk forward on the pipe and shoot em safely in the 2nd phase. Figured it out when I fell while grappling round everywhere. : P Could be handy in master solo flawless

[@gibster9624]

The super that misses a 3rd of it's melee's and couldn't possibly be enjoyable at all for controller users. I've legit had a grapple melee and all 3 melee charges whiff right before a wyvern turns be into a chalk outline because let's yet again not acknowledge the game engine doesn't do melees well and yet again force titans to have to suffer with bad hit registration while hunters get an easy to use rope dart that basically makes you yoshi only instead of turning enemies into eggs they get turned into orbs of power. And we knew the lash ability would be frustrating either the Gauntlets were going to be needed just to make it good or lash by itself would be so good the boots would be redundant. The best part about strand tho is Titans neutral game is crazy strong with shackle grenade and some of the insane fragments. Indefinitely suspending a champion or tormentor is op to say the least. So cool we can be the back in content we are under level for but you try using that same build in overleveled content and enemies die too quickly to even hope to spam abilities.

[@PocketTuna]

Neutral game so good save the 3 hit melee

[@____vVv]

Strand is enjoyable , but not on the titan as how it is rn , totally agree with you!

[@PocketTuna]

They should just make all the fragmetns easier to get and release the aspects now.

[@Fenyxclips]

Strand should've been unlocked a whole lot sooner in the campaign. Many problems with the campaign though is that most of it is entirely AGAINST Berserker and doesn't explain shit! Honestly I like Bladefury but the melee should be something else. Throwable like the mini hammer.

[@PocketTuna]

Agreed

[@burningwolf122]

I'm still pissed about the mod and ability changes the cooldowns are so long and on top of increasing difficulty, and being a titan it's impossible to play they should have done it one at a time they did everything all at once and it doesn't feel very fun to me

[@PocketTuna]

I'm trying to pinpoint exactly where the main issue is here, it's strange to not have that christmas day feeling on a new expansion like this.

[@angelousmortis8041]

Even with HoIL, the Cooldowns are so fucking long. It's horrible.

[@shadowowl7011]

The strand titan abilities are alright in my opinion but not super it feels like they put zero effort into making something new for titan with green dawn blade heavy attack and the light attacks that is done by every other titan subclass

[@IcorthwasTaken]

Hello! Warlock main here and regarding Strand. To keep it short, it just feels wrong in so many ways. It isn't as viable as you would like it to be. And for the long answer. Warlocks are the fundamentalist and gain the majority of their benefits from having some form of effect active and creating a singular, strong impact upon the Battlefield. And Strand does the exact opposite. It's enjoyable but it only has one gimmick behind it, which is the threadlings. You end up wasting half of your threadlings on an enemy that tanks them before realizing it may be more effective to just use the 'Bola' type grenade. The Melee takes too long to recharge, even if it has multiple charges. The Ultimate summons less Threadling then I would have imagine and usually is a waste. And why not use Solar, Arc, or even Void? They all have ways to generate additional energy, better Crowd Control, and more importantly. Overall more versatility.

[@PocketTuna]

Hmmm very interesting. I’m going to have to grind my other 2 classes to have a complete strand review. This honestly breaks my heart for the warlock because if any class is the most fun and has some great gameplay it’s usually the warlock

[@IcorthwasTaken]

@@PocketTuna Thats merely my opinion on the matter, the lack of impactful fragments avaliable may be the main cause. But the base kit says a lot.

[@PocketTuna]

@@IcorthwasTaken I agree

[@IcorthwasTaken]

@@PocketTuna And queue Bungie un-time gating the Fragments, so I dearly hope it does something good.

[@PocketTuna]

@@IcorthwasTaken hell yeah, my optimism worked out

[@dionsweat64]

I have a lot to say about strand titan but I will settle with this for now the titan melee is just a copy and paste super light attack hunter has a dart that bounces through targets and comes back warlocks have 3 needles to throw seems to me like bungie don't give a f *** about titans oh I almost forgot that melee on strand titan has a base cooldown of 1:54 while the sunbreaker shoulder charge does more can be spammed for movement without losing a charge and has a cooldown of 1:41

[@PocketTuna]

HA, classic

[@ElyjahDHerring]

Thee only thing interesting with strand titan as of far right now is woven mail

[@PocketTuna]

I need tog et used to how close you have to be to a tangle to proc woven mail. It has potential to be a better overshield

[@ElyjahDHerring]

@@PocketTuna yeah I thought of that to I wish the woven mail buff activated when you stand near it

[@sw00p8]

i'm really hoping that they find some way of making the subclass enjoyable, but every part of the titan kit just feels so useless and uninspired.

[@PocketTuna]

Yep. Everyone called it

[@Furinalover2736]

I love Titan Strand. It is so much fun to use to me even through the campaign.

[@PocketTuna]

That’s good, I’m definitely enjoying it more after the fragments

[@isiahmoore9363]

Can it work? Sure. But melee everything for buffs is not viable and just lame. I would have preferred they buff behemoth or rework the exotics. Bungie was truly lazy with Titan

[@PocketTuna]

Sameeeeeee

[@jackbraham3341]

Needs a spoiler warning on this video

[@PocketTuna]

You're probablt right, I tried my best tho lol

[@genuinearity8790]

It's about using Strand..that itself isnt an indication?

[@guz711]

titans look lame

[@PocketTuna]

They don't play any better

[@Sargatas]

I rated strand titan on 8/10. Despite his melee orientation he is the most various class among all 3. Warlock can only deal damage with threadlings, this is literally the only thing he can do. He even can't stun any champion by himself. Hunter is an actual joke in pve. He has 2 mobility-oriented aspects that do nothing in pve. Compared to titan's lash (especially with exotic boots) his strand dive is so weak that it's not even funny. His melee being AOE doesn't deal any sencible damage and his super (being roaming either) expires in 3 seconds if used constantly. Maybe in pvp hunter is good but in pve it's nothing but a mistake. But titan has: huge crowd control, crazy resists, ability to literally fight in the air with his melees and super (actually he has 6 melees since super recovers all 3 of them), and he is the only class that can heal himself and the team with strand abilities, specificly with green balls. And in addition he has the best strand exotic among all 3 classes. So for me titan is the best strand subclass because of his ability to do all kinds of things combined in 1 class.

[@PocketTuna]

I respect your rating. Some good points here, I need to spend some time with Hunter.

[@Sargatas]

@@PocketTuna I had too much complains from my hunter clanmates that they can't beat Calus or some other missions solo because they have no damage in strand. So I come and help every time wiping out all ads and controlling tormentors 24/7) P.S.: by the way Calus fight was damn cool.

[@PocketTuna]

@@Sargatas hmmm that's interesting, I thought suspending on hunter would be a million times easier

[@Sargatas]

@@PocketTuna too small area and very strange respond. Sometimes you just jump god knows where and my thoughts were like "I fell off the ledge...at least it was stylish")