Sopranos-Johnny and Tony talk about Carmine

johnny and Tony meet to chat where Johnny feels Tony out about whacking Carmine

[@borgataa]

"yes hes very healthy... thank god" lol i love how the speak in code like this

[@johnvalencia9927]

absolutely, glad to know others get that too

[@fascinatinglist9654]

Iq of 137 my ass. Tony was slow as fuck

[@lukim2744]

They both speak as if they're on being listened to on the wire 24/7.

[@samhly2]

fascinatinglist Tony was one of the sharpest guys on the show

[@Aivottaja]

@@fascinatinglist9654 That iq was Tony B's. Soprano is a knucklehead.

[@Charlir91]

John always scared me... A true sociopath, killing both friends and enemies and playing both sides with New York and New Jersey. A great portrayel of a mobster:D

[@jbot91]

Richie aprile always scared me. What he did to beansie was a level above screwed up.

[@peepawthecat]

@@jbot91 Richie was a scary violent dipshit so yes they are scary but generally manageable . People like Johnny Sack are true players in the game though with ambition ad intelligence plus the same ruthlessness Richie had.

[@bcmoney5272]

Tony soprano was the same way 😂shit,he worse by the end...

[@redhood444]

@@peepawthecat junior played Richie like a fool

[@patrick4662]

i threw cold water on it right away.

[@mmcneil777]

Johnny was always saying he was a pragmatist, but he actually wasn’t. Initially he seemed like he was, but as time went by it was revealed he wasn’t. Carmine Sr. and even Carmine Jr. we’re way more pragmatic by nature and practice. Johnny was actually very high strung, emotional and insecure, especially when he became Boss.

[@Howard.Stern.]

Johnny deliberately set up Carmine to shut down the construction projects to set him up for being hit. Then tried to expose Tony for hitting a boss to take the heat for Carmine. Johnny without question wanted to be boss in NY and fold NJ into his family. Tony long suspected Johnny was infiltrating his crew. "Sticking his beak in". And Johnny got both Ralph and Paulie as spies without any effort at all. But the FBI were working on Johnny since season one. They even tell Junior they'd let him walk if he gave up Johnny Sacrimoni. Just like agent Harris saves Tony from Phil. The FBI basically saves Tony from going to war with Johnny by throwing Johnny in jail like Junior was.

[@byrongammonbyrongammon9937]

@@Howard.Stern. .......To an extent I agree with your assessment. But Tony Soprano did his part to fan the flames once Carmine Sr. past away. Scammers, schemers....look for opportunities to profit. Conflict provides plenty of opportunity. The longer the flames are fanned.......the more exposure the combatants are subjected to by the opportunists. Tony vs Ralph used by Sack to ingratiate himself with Ralph and get him installed on the Esplanade where he was about set up shop. Tony refused to give Ralph a piece of the casino because he didn't want him getting close to Johnny Sack. Sack exploited Tony's neglect and marginalization of Paulie to his advantage to extract information pertaining to Tony's financial affairs and ultimately demanding an equity share in Tony's HUD business. But Sack's courting of Ralph bit him in the ass when he insulted his wife. Tony's meddling in Lupertazzi internal affairs got Angelo unfairly murdered which engendered Tony Blundetto's act of retribution that ultimately backed Tony Soprano into a corner that he was constantly fighting out of since his main rival, Phil, ended up becoming boss. Moves, counter moves, adjustments, and the messes created makes for a fertile landscape of conflict for the writings to sculpt storylines.

[@stevem2323]

@@byrongammonbyrongammon9937 I disagree, if we put Blundetto out of the picture most of the shit came from John and later on Phill. They wanted to squash New Jersey "thing".

[@gc99289]

I remember not long ago you used to sit in the car. And as far as I'm concerned, you should still be there!!!

[@matthewrider6456]

And in the end, Little Carmine became one of the wisest NY Lupertazzi Family capos in the show.

[@TheNick1111111111111]

Haha Tony's response to this is exactly the same as when carmine calls him to give him the green light to whack johnny sack. "Holy shit!"

[@Cruisey1234]

Page 4 of the boss manual haha

[@ryan7dunn]

The thing that i appreciate most in this conversation between Tony and Johnny is their style and elegance (while also maintaining a mutual respect and a toughness in their voice). See how after Johnny Sack enters Tony's car there is about a ten second period of silence in which both of them act natural to try to put the other in an awkward position and persuade him to speak first. Tony, of course gives in to this waiting game because he is more impulsive, but the conversation remains subtle.

[@jeremy28135]

That’s a great observation

[@sam4success]

I loved this character he had such a presence

[@TheRuckus-ji4wt]

These guys really had a knack for saying very little while also saying so much. Such good writing.

[@Nash9r]

Everyone who has to say "I am a pragmatist" is no true pragmatist - Don Tywin

[@florbfnarb7099]

Dear Lord can you imagine Tywin as a mafioso? A boss?

[@landlockedcroat1554]

​@@florbfnarb7099you WILL marry aj soprano

[@jonjeremy4778]

John was the epitome of money and power in this show. I always liked his character

[@mmcneil777]

Johnny was like-able, but extremely manipulative..

[@martinadrianarcenas867]

aka a psychopath

[@Schyderap]

I know a guy like that (not a mobster of course). Very charming and charismatic at first glance but the more time you spend with him the more you realise what's under that facade.

[@davidgangemi3314]

@@martinadrianarcenas867 more like a sociopath. But he's a gangster in the Mafia so,yeah...add psychopath to the list.

[@chamiley]

this seen epitomizes why and how these guys rose up the ranks and became bosses. They both know how to read between the lines, say very little to get the message across without committing to anything and reading the person's character

[@AnastasiaBeaverhousn]

What??? Read between the lines??? That's how they ALWAYS talk!! It's the mob 🙄🤡

[@johnnymn4monic726]

Wow its crazy to think its been 13yrs since this video was posted and 22 years since this show began. Nothing even comes close to this show, its somehow better than 99% of movies you see, all genres. Theres a list of top 5 greatest movies ever, Sopranos is on that list, the only show ever to accomplish this.

[@chrisdiaz4876]

Just started watching it, stuff came out before I was born. Season 4 has been great

[@louiev2000]

@ryan7dunn Correct. Even when Carmine spoke w Tony over the phone about clipping johnny Sac, carmine kept saying 'I didn' say nothing' and Tony read between the lines, and got it.

[@michaelsinclair8733]

"With all due respect, you wanna go down memory lane, put it in 2nd gear huh." Tony had such a real clever way handling Johnny Sack.

[@rievans57]

This scene displays one of the keys to the success of the Sopranos. Subtext. When a character says exactly what they mean they become flat, one dimensional, and boring. When they say other than what they mean they become fascinating, multi-dimensional, entertaining.

[@theportugueselegend]

Amazing explanation. I think that's why I didn't really got into the "Breaking Bad is the best" narrative.

[@joeventurelli1860]

It's crazy to think johnny didn't have any acting experience at all. Showed up to a cast screening and got the job... And the same with jinny his wife

[@byrongammonbyrongammon9937]

He was in the HBO flick, Gotti.

[@XxShadowGTxX]

You can tell Jinny never acted before.

[@JayyJay92]

Jinny died a while back and you’re over here talking shit.

[@mrwp819300]

@ Joe Venturelli Bullshit. He was been acting years before The Sopranos.

[@CoreyT127]

I thought he won a contest that got him a audition?

[@andresprieto6554]

Johnny appreciate your thoughts, Tony

[@justinh5076]

Johnny Sac was my favorite character

[@jordancarlin9687]

As a Canadian on the west coast I never imagined developing the ability to detect subtle differences between the New York and NewJersey accents but here we are

[@funkymunky]

Healthy as a shine box, this guy.

[@drummerboy8650]

"Page 4 of the boss manual" love that line.

[@Agent1W]

A real hard-head, that Soprano kid. And the ego! I tell you though, when I first met him, decisive as he is...I would have been proud to call him my own son.

[@drummerboy8650]

@@Agent1W Bit of a poseur ask me

[@Agent1W]

@@drummerboy8650 What, what did he say?

[@russialinko6442]

We came for Tony, and we stayed for Johnny sack. The best character in the show.

[@RichiesHouse]

Actually Tony just realized at the end he forgot to rewind his returns at his local blockbuster drop box .

[@turtlehans]

Lol , that God forbid comment at the end always gets me.

[@stealjack6071]

This is one of the best jonny sacks

[@pugachevskobra5636]

I will never get over Tony saying “holy shit” when he realizes what Johnny is suggesting. That was my same reaction when I first saw this scene. Like “fuck dude”.

[@burnlastsunday]

And that's it. That's how fast it takes for a guy to get whacked.

[@gboss5119]

That’s how it happens that’s how easy is it to get whacked

[@kaj7135]

Lucky Luciano ova ‘eeere.

[@Jerrybk6]

The way Johnny and Carmine put hits on each other is how nuance is done.

[@stephenallen4625]

That Over the Shoulder shot of Johnny. Completely dark behind him, and half his face shrouded. Perfectly conveying that Johnny doesn’t fuck around.

[@The_Big_Dawg]

"Holy shit.. Carmine's healthy?"

[@jamesflames1591]

That sit down about Ralph. “Carmine never made that right with John.”

[@Antrizzle2009]

@cekinxxx Esplonade. It's a multi-million dollar construction project going on for the renovation of the Neward waterfronts. Naturally this would belong to Tony, however New York has a hold on it as well so they share the profits. John wants Carmine (his boss) whacked cuz currently he and tony are arguing over the percentage of the profits, hence a work stoppage. John is being effected the most by this because the majority of his money comes from construction. If he kills Carmine, back to work.

[@coffeebeans7912]

@Pappy Van Winkle Somewhere in Northern Canada I believe

[@TruthfullySpeaking2001]

Actually it’s over the HUD scam Tony and Ralph has going on with Zeldman. Carmine and John feel entitled because they share Zeldman with Tony. This beef spills over into the Esplonade. This all started with Paulie telling John family business about it because of his jealousy of Ralph

[@jetelegen]

@Dilly5 He was a boss for about five seconds (not counting his time in prison) and he spent that entire time trying to quell the issue between Phil and Tony Blundetto. Hard to judge his performance at all.

[@winstoncannady4224]

He was the William Henry Harrison of bosses

[@bentencho]

Tony immediately calls Carmine.... "Hey, I'm just wondering about your health. John asked for a meeting and he kept going on and on about being very concerned for your well-being.... I hope you are doing okay..."

[@whywelovefilm7079]

I always loved how Johnny Sack operated. Tony and his crew always seemed like the hot heads who don’t mind getting their hands dirty. Johnny Sack seemed more like the cool headed boss type. Calm, calculated and knows how to get a job done without having things point back to him. If someone disrespected Tony I can see Tony killing them himself. If someone disrespected Johnny, he wouldn’t get mad or yell. He would just look at one his of guys and give them a nod. Then smile at the person who disrespected him and walk away. And that guy would never be seen again...

[@stevenchaney7396]

Dude tried to have someone killed because of a joke lmao.

[@KnaveADV]

Wym calm, he beat the shit outta a random guy because he think he was laughing about his wife

[@suckafool123]

Lol love the cinematography of this show, it's something that the Wire is lacking on in comparison. That last shot of Tony going holy shit while Johnny walks away disappearing in the shadows in fucking brilliant.

[@AlanHope2013]

The Wire was supposed to be more cinéma verité, more of a documentary field, as suits a work devised by a former newspaper reporter. The Sopranos is more related to a Renaissance tragedy in many acts, like a history of the Borgias or something. It needs to be rather lush and director-y, all cunning camera angles, tracking shots and saturated colours. Darling.

[@dewok2706]

@@AlanHope2013 What do constant chess metaphors have to do with "verite"?

[@jackbooth1710]

1:16 Tony saw what was coming!

[@tthomaselli2]

"Put it in 2nd gear, huh?".

[@torosdepamplona]

He was asking for a favor, though. 😂

[@f1aziz]

They go way back.

[@sbnwnc]

LOL. He needs to find 11,000 or so votes

[@GrazsPlace]

Ryan Dunn is the fucking man. RIP Prima Dunna. :)

[@adityavenkatraman7509]

Johnny appreciates Tony's thoughts

[@randomrandom84642]

He'll talk to him later

[@InsaneAndroidgamer]

wow guys top show love

[@Supervisor69]

lol that ending was funny as hell >:D

[@recruitmentch]

He's gotta GOOOOO!!!

[@ontariobuds]

My manual seems to be missing page 4, damn! that seems like the most important page!

[@jerryhamer]

That's exactly why he said holy shit, because he knew Sac wanted Carmine dead

[@troll-fx2zc]

How do you know that?

[@Officialkingz1]

You guys are complete bozo's..You for stating the absolute obvious, like you deciphered the davinci code. And this Joe prick for not knowing the obvious 🙄

[@goldensperm7182]

@@troll-fx2zc listen to their conversation carefully.

[@troll-fx2zc]

@@goldensperm7182 I listened to it 3 times, I still don't hear any implication of Johnny Sac wanting Carmine dead.

[@goldensperm7182]

@@troll-fx2zc well, you gotta watch what happened prior first to better understand. Basically, there was an disagreement between Tony and Carmine with the revenue share for the esplanade, where Tony, John, and Carmine earning a lot of cash. Because of this disagreement, Carmine decided to shut down the esplanade. Of course, it affected them all, and every time it's close, they're losing a lot of cash. Especially John since he was getting a major portion of his earnings there. Like that's his primary source of major income. Carmine was also losing money by closing it, but he also had other means to earn a lot of cash as opposed to Tony and John. And Tony is a prideful man and would just let that be, but John can't let that happen cus he is losing a lot of money. If you listened to the video, John also mentioned that Carmine caused him a lot of money just cause of his decisions, and closing the esplanade made John "Okay, fck this. I'm tired of his bullsht, I want him whacked". He didn't directly implied it in the video, but when he said "Carmine is healthy, Thank God!" He actually mean that he wants him dead as he was just being sarcastic. Also the incident with the joke about his wife when Carmine decided not to let John kill Ralphie, that left a bitter taste for him. The closing of esplanade and Carmine not allowing John to kill Ralphie were his main reasons to want him dead.

[@jefemoreno6414]

This is one of my favorite scene of the show

[@LightmyWay23]

"Holy shit." Exactly, Tony. lol

[@TheShadowProdigy1]

God forbid 😂😂😂

[@caffeinatedbuffalosauce883]

I like how John feels insulted that people even think about supporting carmines kid over him later down the show

[@DrRockso79]

Funny how the esplanade was really just a macguffin.

[@ZorbaTheDutch]

- God forbid -

[@dukenukem252]

Holy Shit.

[@King402Omaha]

i swear one of them is ALWAYS smoking when they talk with each other

[@biscaynebool6807]

That was the HOLY SH-IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT one..

[@Flint92]

I'd really like a close look at the bosses manual.

[@georgegonashvili9952]

John's "call me" sounded like some Brooklyn gumar

[@paddyfc07]

Page 4 of the boss manual

[@princepeterson2497]

Makes me wonder if Silvio ever had conversations about his boss like this one

[@AZ-xs2py]

What. A. Fucking. Scene. 👏

[@AndrewBradshaw3]

Where can I find this boss manual? I would love to read it.

[@stevethomas2285]

They have them at your local library; it's next to the Starfleet Academy manual. ; )

[@jetelegen]

@Dilly5 And all of that occurred before Johnny Sac was the boss (in fact, it was exactly what it was about). I can't go along with the claim that he was a bad boss because of his behavior in the feud with Little Carmine, because it's irrelevant. As for the "he should've taken Tony's advice and gotten rid of Rusty Millio" claim (and I don't remember that from season five, to be honest), that too would've been an act driven by "ego...desire to be boss." No?

[@scottcooneymusic6736]

all the god forbids in this fucking show

[@ajbahus]

"God fuh-bid!"

[@Pilkie101]

Holy shit at the end, Tony finally realised that Johnny Sack wanted to whack agent Harris.

[@nick0875]

Looks like John has been learning from Carmine when it comes to talking in code.

[@Forehead2Brick]

I sympathize with Johnny and Carmine's desire to whack each other, but extending that request to the Jersey "crew" just seems really tacky.

[@stitchgrl777]

this is the best seen ever. Johnny's motive was so subtle but so obvious. It's one of those things where after his last line, the audience is saying along with tony "HOLY SHIT."

[@CROOKLYNSNEWS]

what was the beef with carmine and johnny and do's carmine work 4 tony

[@00_00.1]

"If you want to take a trip down memory lane put it in second gear"

[@realazduffman]

Carmine? He was here with a suitcase and he left. I think he went across the street.

[@byrongammonbyrongammon9937]

This is why Tony Soprano, Johnny Sack and Carmine Sr. were bosses. They said a load without uttering the actual words at all. Phil Leotardo didn't have this skill set which is why the Feds were able to notify Tony Soprano when Phil sanctioned a hit on him.

[@SantomPh]

"some people are better as No.2s" - Silvio Dante, although he was referring to John. Phil was crazier and more impulsive than John, who kept him on a leash until he went inside. Phil is proud of his 20 years but he didn't learn anything from it, he is still acting like Christopher would but with authority. No wonder Butch, Carmine Jr and Coco all wanted Phil to be stopped.

[@kena7007]

Tony never had the makings of a varsity “read between the lines” guy.

[@frankvogel8607]

Sez a lot that they always met without backup, mano a mano

[@mickymac6571]

Frank Vogel they were meeting in secret, they didn't need back up or witnesses.

[@AlanHope2013]

They're both uomini d'onore. Guys at their level don't need backup against each other.

[@pauljrcarty9314]

In the, little carmine gets the bag

[@effortlessawareness8778]

Healthy as a fucking Rhino 🦏

[@realazduffman]

Carmine? I saw him with a suitcase and then he left. I think he went across the street or something.

[@josereyeshero]

Tony hired that egg salad to take carmine out.

[@powerboon2k]

The mere thought of brainless mob guys having conversations this nuanced is hilarious.

[@DrJ-hx7wv]

It's deviousness, not intelligence.

[@poisedforduty]

so this is the first meeting on whacking Carmine....

[@snggarageworld]

i want my wife to give me Boss Manual for my birthday

[@chuckdrake2592]

Why do I be so fascinated about two middle aged men talking in a car at night ?

[@letsgoallin6496]

I know their clothes gotta smell like an ashtray smoking cigars in a car. I'm a smoker but two places l can't smoke is in my car or in my home. It sticks to your clothes n your home/car interior with such a foul Oder

[@AlanHope2013]

Smokers don't smell the smell on themselves. If they did, they would never go outside again.

[@ikosabre]

I happened to notice that when their speaking to eachother, the other side of their faces are always out-of-sight for another, eather due to angle or shadow. I wonder if that,s coincidental or intentional and symbolic of how they can never fully read eachother. Could simply be coincidental

[@ericnjoroge5813]

This is how most powerful people run the government.

[@seanwojcik6068]

Johnny was boss didn’t take shit didn’t back down didn’t hesitate to kill… his downfall … should have had majority rule instead of the target he had

[@anthonysavino5113]

John's plan was wack carmine then Tony then put Paulie in as boss for jersey. He was bullshitting Paulie and Paulie's big mouth caused this whole beef. John could easily control and manipulate Paulie and he knew it

[@ryanherbert2266]

Back when Johnny was still a pragmatist

[@Phenommarkantony]

No, that John wants Carmine clipped, not Tony. Tony's too much of in an enterprice to get whacked like that.

[@deecee3544]

call me !

[@ryan7dunn]

@g79 Because of wire taps and a constant lack of trust between members of "a certain italian-american subculture", wise guys are used to talking in code (more or less subtle). In this scene Johnny tells Tony that life for both of them would be much easier without Carmine around, and he basically gives Tony the green light to clip Carmine, also guaranteeing that he will not interfere afterwords. To this realization, Tony replies with a quiet "Holy Shit" only after Johnny had left his car.

[@DB-fn3fz]

I wish this show was less about Tony and his psychiatrist and more about Carmine, Johnny, and New York.

[@scifinerd17]

Then it wouldn’t be The Sopranos

[@DB-fn3fz]

@@scifinerd17 I just mean, I found the therapist-Tony interaction to be very allegorical but also a total debacle. The complexivity of the report between NY and NJ was a testatory of a grandeur that even outshone Versales, and deserved a more comprehensable plot. I am reminded of a partical example: Tony found himself at the precipice of a cross roads where he was conjugated to decide between going to war verses facultating peace. He was cognified that historically, historical consequestors have resulted from war, and that going to war with New York would have negatory impacts that would effect their respective bottom lines. Alltheless he epitomized that a gallon of blood is worth more than a gallon of gold, he wasn't of capacitance to bury the ratchet because Phil's brother had been expired and he had become the boss of NY, and this caused the show to exterminate in a manure much faster than it was destinated to, in my humile opinion. Tony seeing a psychotrist made him look like a bit of a posùer to NY and he had to live with that stigmata, but he was also a pragmattist and didn't meritate to be put under the telescope of a psycholotrist for the majority of the series. The writers tailored the show to the specificities of his psyche instead of letting the audience collect the dots by themselves. This I found a bit presentuous.

[@likaner1]

David Bru I agree, well articulated analysis by the way. The psychiatrist aspect should’ve had its time and ended.

[@stitchgrl777]

I realized I spelled "Scene" wrong, but ditto :)

[@aswilll]

came here 11 years later to call you a dork for using ditto

[@msinclair1991]

I liked it better when Tony was doing business with Johnny instead of Phil Leotardo. Phil did everything he could to piss Tony off; ever since Tony's cousion Blundetto clipped his little brother there has been a soft spot there.

[@SantomPh]

that started because Angelo asked Tony B to kill Joey Peeps, a member of Johnny's side of the conflict. Angelo was killed by Phil and Bill Leotardo and then Tony B tried to kill them both in retaliation. Tony Soprano is very helpless here, Blundetto is not a member of his crew but his cousin and was acting as a free agent. Had Tony managed to find his cousin first or limit his contact with the New Yorkers Phil would have been much nicer.

[@BxCortez2050]

Pragmatist ???? Im catholic !

[@leaf_fan_b3829]

Johnny Sack was never boss material, shit just at all the shit that happen while he was boss

[@moebetta4224]

"God forbid"..."Thank God"... Can't remember anything intoned so disingenuously.

[@arthuredens]

Johnny was the real downfall of the family

[@DRSTRANGELOVEIN]

“John, Carmine’s fine…” “Yes…. he’s very healthy…. Thank god.” “……” “Blow me.” -literally how I heard it the first time