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[@ggoddkkiller1342]

How many thousand dollars for iVANKY? Not more expensive than iSTAND i hope..

[@jungervin8765]

"8GB of ram in M seriies is as good as 16GB in other system" THEY KINDA RIGHT? XD Sam you are a clown. It is a blatant lie. I have more free time, I don't need to watch your crap videos anymore.

[@ryanellis4370]

Hey, why don’t you use da Vinci resolve for I mean it literally works perfectly on every OS and it’s actually way better than premier and final cut for only I think $295 one time payments and you can start practicing on the free version until then. I mean seriously like give it a try. It’s literally replacing Adobe premiere in Hollywood for one thing so that tells you how good it is. It’s pretty hard to use though, but once you get used to it, it’s definitely even way better than final cut, at least for the most part. Seriously, give it a try. I’m sure that especially with the way better color gambit thatthat offers that will be very pleasantly surprise.

[@Ikram232]

iFUNKY?!

[@musicalneptunian]

Ubuntu Studio or AV Linux are the best Linux distros for video editing. Not as good as a Mac. But one thing that you probably have never thought of: in Linux you get a quiet environment. No Anti virus humming along. No phone homes. You get the RAM and CPU not being distracted. If you have ever done a 3D render and noticed that the render square went to mud while your anti virus program was scanning, that is the noisy environment that Linux avoids.

[@JohnSmith-op7ls]

Saying 8GB is enough for most people isn’t at all the same as saying 8GB on a Mac is like 16GB on Windows or Linux. The first is reasonable, the second a bold faced lie.

[@Assestionss]

especially when comparing it to linux, it doesn't even match.

[@aperitifs]

8gb for normal use, not video editing.... They should have 32gig at base model...it's 2024

[@crazywarp36]

light normal use* the minimum should be 12gb but yeah@@aperitifs

[@harrison00xXx]

@@aperitifs Not really, except you talk about the Pro machines which should have 32GB for real. Airs could be 16GB and more, but still, 16 as ABSOLUTE MINIMUM and "not recommended". I have in my windows desktop PCs since like 2012 16GB minimum, better 32 if RAM is affordable (which was the case long ago before they upped the prices for NO REASON), thats over 10 years ago!

[@jaredcrane7547]

You should be getting 16gigs as base ram now regardless of this. 8gigs was standard in 2015. It’s just getting ridiculous

[@filipniklas]

"What do I miss?" "My money" fantastic delivery 10/10

[@dubsb540]

My Windows laptop with upgraded 64 GB Ram and 2 TB 980 pro SSD would also satisfy most people. I used to be an Apple guy, until they started soldering everything.

[@TheRealJellyBomb]

Same here 👌

[@LaurentCourtin]

Unfortunately, more and more Windows laptop makers started soldering everything too, and switching to ARM in the near future will probably make things worse. I'm afraid we're going to have to get used to the situation, at the very least with laptops. Desktops, especially for gaming, are an entirely different breed.

[@mikem9536]

@@LaurentCourtinLong live the Desktop PC!

[@LaurentCourtin]

@@mikem9536 Long live the not-mini desktop PC ! Sadly, many mini PCs have soldered parts too >_

[@ultrademigod]

@@mikem9536 Self built I hope

[@JJFX-]

The fact that in 2024 Apple is even selling prosumer level hardware with 8 or even 16GB of RAM and an SSD smaller than what I bought in 2014 is borderline criminal. This much memory is so cheap these days that doubling both would be little more than an accounting error for them. The whole point is to keep people looking to upgrade and if that doesn't work, the SSD now sets the countdown to when that machine effectively becomes a shiny brick.

[@vogonp4287]

Yeah. Even the base model Steam Deck comes with 16gb standard.

[@cjeelde]

Since 2020-21 there's 3 different MBP! M Standard 13/14" - 8 GB RAM M Pro/Max 14" - 16/18 GB M Pro/Max 16" - 16/18 GB Apple really need to do something! Make sure that all Pro morels got more RAM than Air. In the end of the day: what is "Pro"? Apple must be more clear about it! Because of the branding!

[@JJFX-]

@@cjeelde Plus that 8GB of RAM on the standard MBP is still "unified" memory shared between the CPU and GPU and it has only 2/3 the bandwidth of the M3 Pro so in reality it's even worse than it seems. They also limit capacity depending on what CPU you get and don't make it clear how many memory channels each chip variant has.

[@cjeelde]

Exactly! But you forget this: that unified RAM is also for the SSD controller! That M chip got a built in SSD controller. I'm honestly impressed by how good 8 GB RAM is for Macs with M chips but it's def not a Pro feature with that little. 8 GB is good for average people that don't use Pro apps for their living. MBP14 M3 should start with 16 GB RAM. Same thing with that old MBP13 TouchBar M1/M2. It's mainly a branding problem. The problem is not the hardware itself.

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

Sure adding just another 8 gigs of RAM would cost them just 20 bucks, which some might see as an accounting error for such an expensive device, but it's not about that. It's about selling those 8 gigs extra for over 100 bucks. This has been the most profitable business model they came up with. Charging hundreds of dollars extra just to get some more disc space and RAM. And that's the reason it isn't just an accounting error for them. It's their money maker business model.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Sam yesterday: ruthlessly roasting Vision pro and tim cook Sam today: my old macbook wasnt powerful enough, so i bought a more powerful macbook

[@Emoralis]

I mean it’s a love hate relationship. I would consider a MacBook because the M series chips seem appealing. It would be quite the investment to keep up with my pc though.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

@Emoralis nah I get it haha. Apple does have the cleanest tight-knit ecosystem when it comes to devices.

[@MegaMulec]

duality of man

[@thrumbo]

​@@Emoralis True. That chip alone is enough to make me consider buying their devices. but theres lot of things that i hate about apple that make me dont want to give them money again.

[@ViridianFlow]

Have you seen the Daniel Thrasher/Steven He Collab? It explains Sam perfectly.

[@BalkansWay]

Apple selling “Pro” Macs with 8 Gb RAM for Pro Price is such an Apple move .

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

why shouldn't they ? 1. it's enough for 99,99% of people 100% of the time 2. it's cheaper 3. why not then ? oh i see, you want the 16GB for the price of the 8GB, yea, not gonna happen

[@markkealy4417]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl 1. no 2. clearly 3. of course, and with the way apple works I doubt it too

[@baoquoc3710]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl lie. Around me, no one has a laptop with 8GB of RAM anymore.

[@vikas_kr]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl 8GB and 16GB manufacturing cost is only marginally different.

[@mixamalik]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl is 99,99% of people using Mac aren't doing anything more demanding than 1 safari tab? then why not to buy an iPad or a Chromebook 5-10x cheaper?

[@stijnd5268]

8gb of ram for a browsing machine is more than fine yeah, the problem is how they themselves advertise and price their laptops while only having only 8gb's of a ram

[@harrison00xXx]

I see even 16GB as "browsing machine" specs.... 32GB is getting into "usable" terretory, beyond 32GB are somewhat "professional" finally.

[@nonamenosurname8516]

I think as Apple see it: for normal everyday usage (internet, movies, music) you buy laptop with 8GB and thats enough. You really dont need more. If you want to do something more with your PC, then Apple thinks you should buy Mac studio which is built better for more demanding usage. I have no problem with this. What I really dont like is the fact that difference between 32GB and 64GB is like 20USD, same goes for NVMe SSD, they are super cheap even 1TB which is kinda standart this day. But Apple is charging insane amount of money for it. You are paying 600USD for 64GB and 1TB SSD and for that price you can buy 96GB ram with fastest 2TB NVMe SSD on the market or you can go with middle budget version and buy 64GB and 1TB and save 300USD. And those basic capacities aint free so 600USD is only difference not price for those components. So price for 64GB RAM and 1TB SSD in Apple PCs is about 800/900USD. Which is totally insane ! That cost way more than fastest consumer CPU.

[@stijnd5268]

@@BobDevV Thats what I said, these laptop aren't browsing machines. If you want only that you buy a 200$ chromebook, but most people who buy apple products refuse to admit thats an option.

[@kingjarif6822]

thaths apple fans for u@@BobDevV

[@llothar68]

If you only do use a webbrowser, why the fuck you think you need a mac system at all?

[@erebostd]

Sam is talking about the difference of 8 gb, and here i am, rendering in the background with my (cheap) 64gb and considering if the upgrade to 128gb could be worth the speed up & more capable multitasking. Here around that would cost me 150 bucks for that 64gb, so basically exactly 1/3 of what apple wants for enormous 16gb of more ram. 460 bucks. It’s insane 😂

[@doctahjonez]

I've been thinking of upgrading my Thinkpad to 64 gbs 😂

[@GrandHeresiarch]

My literally dusty 3 years old gaming PC tower has 64 GB inside, with all sorts of unnecessary RBG.

[@ItzMeKarizma]

Haha, I have 48gb ram (had 16gb and added 32gb) and now I'm thinking about making it 64gb in total. Imagine if I had an Apple device...😂

[@theNimboo]

You know what bugs me about Apple Trade-ins though? If you gave them the extra $400 for 1tb of storage they don't give a shit. You might as well have gotten the base storage because they don't give you any extra for that extra ram. Really kinda shows their hand. Like they know it isn't worth that much so they won't give you that much, but they make YOU pay that much. I really really hate Apple man, so fucking greedy.

[@windowsxpdude]

'why 8gb is not enough' let me stop you there, it is quite self explanatory.

[@AlexMkd1984]

​@MrDjBigZlie apple told you

[@AlexMkd1984]

​@MrDjBigZkeep lie

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

it is enough for 99.99% of people 100% of the time period

[@poppers7317]

RAM is dirt cheap. Why Apple why?

[@WaterCat73]

Because it's iRAM, where 8 gb is iMore than 16 gb, if soldered with iRon

[@reahs4815]

NVME storage is also dirt cheap but getting it from apple is like 4-5x the price

[@username7763]

Because their pricing model works for them. It makes their computers appear to be competitively priced. If anyone falls for buying the base model, they'll just throw it away and buy another again blaming themselves instead of the company that told them it was fantastic.

[@terminationshokv]

When the customer’s computer craps itself, the customer can blame themselves and go buy a new one. 2x money!

[@doctahjonez]

Capitalism baybeyy 😂😂

[@yt_Ajay_]

I cannot believe Sam didn't do a "Lost in Serbia" series. I would have watched the hell out of that.

[@BozesanVlad]

Swap *kills* SSDs Well played Apple. And happy spending Apple users for all new apple computers, cos you can't be eco if you don't fill landfields, the right to repair (or just to replace a SSD) Apple say is bad.

[@TysonJensen]

If you put in an SSD from 2013, sure. But a modern SSD has 10,000+ write cycles before it dies, and SSD drive controllers make sure to spread the pain across the entire drive instead of letting it mindlessly use the same sectors over and over. (when SSDs were first being put in as primary drives, they had less than 1000 write cycles, use those for swap and your machine runs fast... until the SSD dies less than a year later). I used SSD for swap back when it was a very expensive idea -- 2006. Those ones had 300-ish write cycles and could be used for a few months and wouldn't be put in as someone's primary HD for that reason.

[@gundamned4879]

@@TysonJensen okay but why would i want to use my boot drive as ram when i can just have more ram if they still had upgrade slots

[@BozesanVlad]

@@TysonJensen You'll write it over and over, as you said: SSDs are faster, but so the CPUs and Video cards (8 gb RAM are shared with video card), so i will require more writings when they move data from and to swap, *faster and required more by design* Oh, I forgot: SSDs are soldered and can't be replaced. Anyway, thank you and to Apple that you produce filth (they build it by planned obsolence, you use them just to throw it away). Best eco and smooth brains (not apple, you).

[@Betancourtdm]

I've had an M1 Mac Mini since launch. The SSD is only down about 7% when checked with SMARTMONTOOLS so I'm not worried. Wrote 178tb total and read 333tb.

[@zawarudo1041]

@@BozesanVlad b- but apple wanted to be eco, and remove all carbon from the atmosphere (sic!) - havent you look into the crass and cheesy "mother nature" advertisement of theirs? Its all esg from there. Only apple can be so double-thinking and get away with it

[@ceasormayhem101]

Selling a MacBook with 8gbs of ram is like selling a truckwith the engine of a lawnmower. You can drive to the worksite, but you can barely haul anything.

[@mikem9536]

Like a full size truck with a 4 banger?

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

nope this is not true at all, Operating Systems changed the way they work they allocate as much as possible all the time, that's why people without any clue (most people) think you need more, which is not true at all. you can edit videos fine on the very entry level mac just fine

[@ceasormayhem101]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl as was demonstrated in the video, footage recorded from multiple angles, basic animations or prolonged use will cause significant slowdown of the hardware. You shouldn't need to restart software multiple times in a single editing session. I would refer to that as suboptimal.

[@markkealy4417]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl rewatch video

[@ceasormayhem101]

@@markkealy4417 I did. I didn't see anything that doesn't say my point doesn't stand. Even if the upgrade was not that much of an improvement in his opinion, it still functioned better than the previous iteration. Plus not all programs are going to be optimized specifically for this hardware skew, bump ups in hardware can remedy slowdown in software. Plus the issue is not that laptops have 8gb skews, it's that apple is pushing false information in their marketing. Plus in my personal experience, 8gb hasn't been enough for me since 2014, and it's not gonna be enough for me now, if I'm do to any task requiring heavy use of hardware. Nvidia pulled the same Crap with the 3060ti, stating that it had faster ram than the original 3060, but the 3060 still outperformed the 3060ti in tasks requiring the use of onboard memory. Even the 4060 with its "faster" vram, only outperforms the 3060 in significant margins in DLSS performance. So don't buy into apples marketing crap. When companies wanna save a buck, memory is one of the first places they go. They can increase ram speed all they like, but the amount of memory will always be a bottleneck.

[@DavitTheCore]

My Mac died today. I'm getting a Linux computer

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

welcome to the penguin gang 🐧

[@doctahjonez]

Based

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

which is a mac xD

[@aperitifs]

Using your soldered on SSD as ram will render that Mac dead until someone finds a donor Mac with used chips.. apple really have thought about screwing there customers hard.. I would plug in a external fast SSD and try to tell macos to use that as virtual memory.. if that is possible.. it will save the life of your unit ..

[@reahs4815]

shhh dont tell them that

[@harrison00xXx]

Not possible, at least not with the features apple have by default. The thing is... Apple uses at least MLC/SLC SSDs what i have heard (not sure tho...), unlike the really unreliable and unsafe modern SSDs relying on TLC and QLC mainly which is highly unreliable when using a lot of write actions. My 512GB model from 2021 is already beyond 150TB written (heavy 4K AI upscaling/denoising usage, i would have needed 32GB Ram so badly) and trust me, i have "abused" the soldered SSD for a while but i made sure that i have 300GB+ free space on the SSD so over 65% unused space to make sure the individual NANDs are not over stressed.

[@aperitifs]

@@harrison00xXx big issue if someone uses your Mac without you knowing to mine crypto,. They shouldn't have ever soldered on the SSD regardless.. tho glad to hear your doing well.. I watch Louis Rossman . His vid apple soldered in ssds are engineered in the worst way possible.. I highly recommend watching.. 491k views 5 months ago

[@reahs4815]

@@harrison00xXx There is nothing wrong with TLC and QLC SSD's. My 4TB QLC SSD has a rated endurance of 800TBW which is pretty much infinite and it only cost 200$. My other 1TB TLC SSD only has 82TBW on it so far (5 years) and it has a endurance rating of 600 TBW Apple also heavily rips you off when it comes to RAM. RAM has become really cheap lately but getting it from apple is 2-3x the price and you are only getting soldered RAM too

[@retrocomputing]

@@aperitifs I haven't heard of anyone installing miners on MacOS (without knowing), it's kinda hard to do. Also mining (we're talking about mining Monero here) requires CPU, not SSD writes.

[@Chuck_vs._The_Comment_Section]

Imagine you have bought a premium notebook at a corresponding premium price and cannot even upgrade/replace RAM or storage. On top of that, this premium manufacturer goes to great lengths to make its own products increasingly irreparable. - What a dystopian view of the future, isn't it? But fortunately, the responsible customers would NEVER buy such devices and therefore such devices could not prevail. - The invisible hand of the market will take care of that! No need to intervene or even regulate!

[@zawarudo1041]

"responsible customer" will buy another apple overpiced product because of herd mentality, desperate need to be "cool" and "pro" and because of paralysing fear of fomo.

[@joshuaa3075]

Apple to customers, "don't skimp". Apple to Apple, "skimp on the customers"

[@rocketmunkey1]

Oh No they've gotten to you too, Not you Sam Not you too 😪you might not have noticed your 8GB of RAM but your SSD certainly did !

[@tzviasegal3003]

Sorry, but for this kind of money, there should be user upgradable ram and NVME, like my i9 laptop that came with 32 gigs ram (upgradable) and 1.5 tb NVME (since upgraded to 4 tb) and 16gig 3080 graphics. Yea I have a MAC too... a basic M2MBA... for reading emails and watching youtube and other basic stuff. The serious stuff is done on the i9... I am shopping for 64gigs ram for it now... Gee, I don't have to take a bath selling it and another bath buying some ULTRA laptop... just for 32gigs more ram...

[@doctahjonez]

This is why old Thinkpads are the way to go 😎

[@leduyquang753]

Having (to put up with) a 700 $ Acer laptop. I could work fine when it had 8 GB of RAM, but with just 60 $ I bumped it up to 20 GB and don't have to worry about RAM usage anymore ever since.

[@Zarrar2802]

@1:45 "Asks me for more RAM than humanly possible" *PC Master Race laughs in 128 GB RAM*

[@_underscore_9271]

Remember, ram doesn't have any moving parts, when you run out of space, you can just start installing it on the outside of your pc, let it hang off loose, and connect it through increasingly long wires

[@harrison00xXx]

Ah yes, you have 128GB Ram? Or are you just lying? Also Macs with more than 96GB Ram exist as well, so just stop crying nonsense when you dont have any argument or funny to say.

[@ehenningsen]

​@harrison00xXx 192GB and now there are 64GB chips coming out, max will be 256GB of RAM on a windows/linux laptop. That doesn't include the VRAM from a dGPU

[@smallbutdeadly931]

For gaming, there are diminishing returns after 32gb of RAM at the moment. After that point, its mostly professional creative work that needs more RAM.

[@llothar68]

My iMac still could eat 128GB RAM. But it's a 2019 model, so sad i will have to install Windows on it soon.

[@MrMichaelfalk]

impressive they can sell shared ram as something better.. 8gb shared ram its worse than 8gb not shared..

[@bbrainstormer2036]

Not shared, unified. But while that may have some potential advantages, 8 gb of ran still means 8 gb total of ram and vram. So no apple, 8gb of ram on an apple machine is not equivalent to 16gb on a windows machine.

[@antred11]

@@bbrainstormer2036 "Not shared, unified." What, exactly, is the difference, in this context? It is shared with video memory, is it not?

[@bbrainstormer2036]

@@antred11 It's a pretty subtle difference. With shared memory, the gpu and cpu share the same physical memory, but they don't mess with each either's segments. In the case of unified memory, the cpu and gpu can both access all of the memory. This means, for example, if I load a texture into memory, I don't need to load it twice (once for the cpu and once for the gpu), I can instead just load it into memory once, and both the cpu and gpu can access it. How well does this work in practice? I don't know. But that's the idea

[@captainheat2314]

​@@bbrainstormer2036isnt that the same that as AMD and intels integrated gpu's?

[@bbrainstormer2036]

@@captainheat2314 I don't know. Wouldn't surprise me though

[@apolloaerospace7773]

About Davinci Resolve on Linux, the free version doesnt support most video codecs, making it mostly useless, the full version should be fine though. Personally I use Kdenlive, not shure if any of this is helpful to you, but as we Linux users know, trying is free(dom).

[@kindofanmol]

My $650 Nothing Phone2 has 12GB RAM

[@unkown34x33]

Soldering is a bullcrap! I don't care if it's more efficient, which I think it's nothing, I have to right! To upgrade.

[@kiryuukazuma04]

Even my phone has more RAM than this laptop

[@tedzards509]

Im already excited for the "Apple reacts to the Digital Markets Act" and the "The EU reacts to Apples compliance with the DMA" videos.

[@sambanerjee6796]

guess 8gb wasnt enough for even their own apps lmao

[@johnl.8616]

I just ordered a One Plus 12 phone, paid $700 for a 16 GB ram and 512 GB of memory. How do they limits a laptop to such low numbers when phones have more power.

[@harrison00xXx]

A friend also came up with a 24GB Ram phone. My iPhone 15 with 4 or 8GB Ram (i dont know, i dont care, its a PHONE!!!) is about as fast as his ultra performance gaming phone. Only in 3d benchmarks the gaming phone pulls ahead because of a better GPU. Then i showed him my iPad Air results with the M1 and "just" 8GB Ram.... M1 chip with 8GB Ram blows the 24GB Ram smartphone away. Its not only specs, but in the case of apples 8GB Ram on desktop computers, thats just in my opinion illegal anti consumer nonsense.

[@gruiadevil]

Have you tried using a Windows machine with a powerful CPU, 8Gb of RAM and a TinyOS or LTSC? Browsing, editing, and everything you listed there, can also be done on that. So 8Gb is 8Gb. Saying 8Gb is 16Gb is simply not true. If it's enough. Sure. Stuff still works. It might just work better if you had more RAM. Also ... disk caching is bad for your SSD. If that one's soldered on too, or can only be bought from an Apple store ... you-re royally F'ed

[@donaldswanson9647]

Apple is about spending not computing. If you bought it then its mission complete. Congratulations on a job well done.

[@Alex-hv3ir]

As someone who used a 16GB desktop for years and now has switched to a 8 GB MBA... they aren't the same. i would say the 16GB on the desktop are more comparable to 12-14 GB on the macbook. Especially when playing games or editing big things... there's no other option than more ram.

[@harrison00xXx]

16GB are just absolute minimum, thats a well known fact since MANY YEARS. 16GB Ram were affordable in 2012 already for basic, cheap budget builds.

[@mastroitek]

yeah a friend of mine in 2017 had to get a macbook for school, he went for 16gb of ram because it was all he could afford and he said that the machine was sometimes really struggling when editing 1080p videos. I can't imagine editing anything on 8GB. And in itself 8gb are basically the bare minimum for a smooth surfing experience at this point (as long as one does not open 30 tabs)

[@DigiDriftZone]

@@harrison00xXx Yes, I built my desktop in 2016 with 32GB ram, 8GB is a joke, I'm surprised anyone can get by on this for very long, definitely not in 2024 wit how bloaded all websites and software are getting....

[@DysfunctionNoMore]

Yeah, my 16gb laptop with a 25% faster CPU really struggles in multitasking compared to my old 32gb laptop. I couldn't imagine 8gb

[@jiffonbuffo]

​​@@DigiDriftZoneThe 8gb ram mac defender probably bought an iPhone 4 8gb (storage) back in the day. 😂

[@reinardharmse4375]

Right now I'm using an Asus TUF F17, with 16GB and upgraded with a 1TB 980 Pro, and the 500GB Intel one it came with as a secondary drive.

[@TheDextermat]

Kiss that soldered SSD and data on it goodbye and do your backup! Since not enough memory means ssd disk caching .

[@doctahjonez]

Even worse is that if the ssd dies the bios will die with it, thanks Apple 💀

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

these SSD's are not comparable to others, they last easily the lifetime of a mac which is about 15 years, it wont die for sure soldered is far better, having people access the device is terrible practice, ruins the second hand market, which for windows people is something they don't even consider. thats why apple is always cheaper, way cheaper even@@doctahjonez

[@definingslawek4731]

Agreed but at the same time the kinds of users which will buy an 8 or 16gb ram laptop in 2024 will never ever write enough data to the ssd to kill it. I am a filmmaker which writes massive files regularly and I still have yet to see a single ssd die, some of mine are 8 years old.

[@jal051]

As Apple said. 8Gb are the same as a quatrillion GB. You couldn't notice it. As for not fitting in your bag. Don't give Apple ideas. They'll make a bag for only $499.

[@punchilux5783]

Wow I actually watched the entire sponsor part of the video. That dock looks cool af.

[@paulharrison8379]

Reviewers have been saying that low end computers are only suited for surfing the internet for 20 years. The trouble with that argument is the fact that the first time I heard the argument was for Pentium 4 PCs with only 0.5 Gb of RAM. Are modern entry level computers still only capable of surfing the internet? If it is true that Macs really need 16 Gb of RAM and a 512 Gb SSD then why are Apple deliberately lowering the performance of their entry level Macs to Pentium 4 levels by not charging the cost price of around £50 for the correct amount of RAM and flash memory?

[@MotownBatman]

You had the Money to Travel. Then......CHONK!!!

[@Gurenn83]

I bought an M2 Mac mini but just 8GB RAM. I was told to wait for 4-5 weeks to get the 16GB RAM. I bought the 8GB coz I need it for work at home and can no longer wait. Now my Activity Monitor keeps at a consistent yellow and at times hits the red graph because of my workload. I find it silly that I have to close some tabs and apps just to free up the RAM. And I find it silly that I have to wait that long.

[@tkps]

I find it silly that still happens in this day and age of far more RAM than ever for far cheaper and easily upgradable on any other machine. Why do people keep buying those bloody things? Once that brand loyalty has gone, Apple is finished as it should be. They're taking the piss at this stage.

[@y.__.y--]

If you get the wrong tool for the job, don’t blame the tool.

[@anthonykoller4459]

8 GBs is ok for internet users and office work, but 16 and above is important for photographers and video editors

[@grigorascosmin7461]

About the shift key you should (unsurprisingly) ask apple. All the laptops that I owned had normal size shift keys. However the current one that I own is missing the right ctrl key which trust me, it hurts more than a short shift key :)

[@username7763]

With all the keys they have taken away, you should be glad to have any left at all. There just isn't space for any, other than all the space left over and taken up by the speakers and the massive touchpad. But other than that, there just isn't space.

[@retrocomputing]

It's not an Apple issue, it's ISO (European) layout vs ANSI (US) layout. You just don't see European laptops as you're in the US

[@traveller23e]

I hate the keyboard on my work laptop because it has ANSI hardware layout and I'm in Italy, so in real terms that means the key was (mis)placed instead of the PrintScreen key, the enter key is the wrong shape, and the ù key is in the complete wrong place (above the enter instead of beside it). Add that to the fact that I'm a computer programmer forced to use a Windows operating system and the Windows version of the Italian layout has no way to type ` or ~ and it's a really fun time.

[@retrocomputing]

@@traveller23e you can easily edit your layout on both OSes

[@donedeal00051]

16 GB? Whoa! Living large

[@youfookinwot]

the exact emotions when buying anything new from apple

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

yea, 8GB is indeed enough and upgrading is indeed worth it

[@vpsjdon]

2:22 Macbook chonk has your comedic timing! Seems like a match made in heaven lol

[@DASPRiD]

Not to forget, that's 8GB shared memory on the Mac. So it is actually *less* than on a PC where GPU and CPU have dedicated RAM each.

[@spongerobert]

It's also shared on all pleb tier/normal office windows laptops that don't have dedicated graphics. Intel HD and AMD Radeon uses system RAM as GPU RAM. On intel HD it has a dynamic sort of vibe but on AMD Ryzen laptops I've noticed that the Radeon graphics allocates X amount of RAM (usually 2GB, maybe adjustable) that actually shows up in task manager as dedicated GPU RAM but then you'll notice in task manager that your system RAM is 2GB less. I kinda like the AMD vibe better because then you know what your working with RAM wise instead of thinking that you have X amount but then really you don't.

[@DASPRiD]

@@spongerobert Well, I'm counting desktops and laptops which are in the same price bracket and workstations (like what the Macbook Pro should be, or Mac Pro).

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

yea but it performs better than any pc and 8GB is plenty enough for everything 1000 chrome tabs no problem

[@DASPRiD]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl Pretty sure my 13900k still outperforms even the M3 in any serious benchmark. So no, it does not perform better than *any* PC. And 8GB is a joke when you do something like running a development machine with many docker containers or rendering something in blender.

[@chrisbernecker]

It's so cute to hear Apple users talk about their specs and the money they wasted. My 17" notebook with i9-13900 64gb RAM and 8(!) TB m.2 SSD's and a 4090 cost me 3200,-

[@coryv5679]

When you are too far gone and won't admit Apple is pretty shit for the price you pay.

[@DreamDevourer1]

Why do people keep buying them and then complain? Stop buying bad products, they couldn't care less about your complaints if you keep buying

[@yay4this]

My friend, you mock Tim's Apple Co. ..you're still the fan.

[@applepro5934]

Thank you for a fun yet honest review. You brighten my day, keep it up!!!

[@MrJsbigred]

Most underrated channel on YT

[@raycon921]

math: 8=8 Apple: nope 👀

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

and as he said, they where absolutely right

[@DigiDriftZone]

I had that debate too if to go with the 14" or the 16", after much deliberating I am glad I went with the 14", it is noticeable bigger than the 13.3" I had before but still manageable to bring with me: it fits on airport and train trays, on those small cafe tables, etc and at home or at the office... I have it hooked up to a couple of 27" 4K displays anyway... But watching your video I do wonder if 16" would've made it more usable than a 14" + iPad sidecar when travelling in some circumstances, hmm :)

[@harrison00xXx]

With desktop usage on external screen the 14" is fine, for heavy mobile usage or just internal screen only (on the go), the 16" is the better pick tho. I dont regret the 16" M1 Pro, still blazing fast, long battery runtime and amazing screen beside other awesome things such as speakers etc. My 16" MacBook Pro also serves as iPad battery extension when i dont have my (also 100Wh) power bank with me.

[@DigiDriftZone]

@@harrison00xXx Yes, very good points, the larger speakers, better thermal management, loads of advantages. In say a hotel room it was killer to have a larger screen. But then it doesn't fit on the plane/train trays, in some coffee shops and it's a bit clunky in meetings and I really felt the difference in weight on my back and it didn't fit in many of my bags, so I went back to 14" + iPad sidecar. We need a laptop with a foldable screen heh.

[@whkee]

I'm happy with mine M1 MBA 8/256! Fanless M1 MBA still have many Fans🥰

[@TheMack]

So now, put an M3 processor and 32GB of RAM in that I-Wank-y dock and we'll be all set! 😀

[@sweealamak628]

Even their tech support lies. I was facing sidecar freezing issues pairing with iPad and all they told me was restart, put the device closer and install latest OS. Only after a year of use, I discovered it was due to lack of RAM! Sidecar is RAM intensive which was discovered after users documented it with the Activity window.

[@CheerupA1]

I like how Apple has created an industry of adding ports to their computers

[@philochristos]

I'm tired of having computers with keyboards that suck. I never know they suck until after I've bought them.

[@siyzerix]

If your laptop has ddr5 ram, you can buy a 96gb ram kit. Now final cut's 86gb ram won't be an issue.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

Macbook goes up to 128GB, mac pro 1,5 TB

[@siyzerix]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl Some windows laptops can go to 128gb too

[@TheB1nary]

I manage a network of nearly 2000 devices - all of which have 8GB of RAM. It’s more than enough. Perhaps not for the ‘influencer’, but definitely fits the requirements of most modern operating systems that know how to manage memory.

[@Iraijus]

I'm currently using an older Asus laptop, but I've already ordered the Framework 16. Looking forward to using that!

[@maythesciencebewithyou]

Most people really don't need more than 8 gb of RAM. However at the price point of these machines they could have easily put in 16 gigs, make the people who really need it also happy and still make tons of profit, but they are greedy as fuck, that they really need those 20 bucks they save per machine.

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

you made that entire android video about privacy and FOSS and you're still using MacOS XD great video as usual Sam :D

[@retrocomputing]

It's still the best OS, that's why both Linux and Windows copy it on a regular basis

[@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT]

@@retrocomputing nah, Linux MacOS are both UNIX clones and windows doesn't seem to know what kind of OS it wants to be lol

[@username-mb2qh]

Sam got trapped by that Final Cut Pro hook.

[@retrocomputing]

@@Eren_Yeager_is_the_GOAT so you value the 70s foundation more than the decades of progress made after that. MacOS has the Unix certification but it doesn't mean much to the end user

[@cassiuscartland]

mba 2020 with 8gb of ram for 999 was quite a good deal actually as it was enough for most people in that market. What I dont think is acceltable is shipping a “Pro” laptops basr model as 8GB

[@darylnd]

I had the base model M1 MacBook Air. I kept getting low memory alarms. I upgraded to 16/512. I still got low memory alarms. I bought the Air because my camera bag is sized for it. I'm currently on a Lenovo ThinkPad, running Windows 11. I pop into Linux occasionally. Unfortunately, I can't get images to print properly in Linux (a photo doesn't really exist until it's been printed, IMHO). The same files that print beautifully on Windows or Mac come out fuzzy, color-shifted messes on Linux. That's really what keeps me from going full Linux.

[@nathleflutiste]

Your printer doesn't have driver from its constructor ?

[@opsihota2118]

I'm in Real Estate, I had the M1 MacBook Air base for 2 years and then the M2 MacBook Pro base. With my work load it's basically exactly the same, I notice no difference. For most professionals like accountants, lawyers, realtors, etc the base works just as good.

[@percy9228]

two big things your missing. Sam is editing on his machine, so different use case, second, you didn't get your m2 macbook a few months ago. programmes and browsers just keep increasing in RAM. in 2 years 16GB won't be enough. and you'd want your machine to last 5 or 6 years. So If I was to upgrade right now, I'd want 32GB so you don't have to worry. and in 6 years, imagine people selling a 16GB model.

[@sackboy5683]

Tim cook: he bought a newer more expensive MacBook? My plan worked!

[@spongerobert]

I've been using a 2nd hand ThinkPad x270 for my daily work. I don't do video editing at all, but it's been good despite being about 6 or 7 years old. It's finally getting to the point where it's starting to feel sluggish with my daily tasks.

[@punchilux5783]

I stuck with my mid 2012 MacBook all the way up to when the m1’s came out! Had to do a few upgrades (solid state hd swap, ram) along the way. It was a real workhorse. Now I have the M1 Max MacBook 13in. I do miss the extra screen real estate- as a music producer my workflow is insanely fast compared to the old MacBook. But shout out to the 2012 pros. Happy I skipped that whole touchbar and no useful ports on the pro’s phase. Wtf was that lol.

[@Louis-L186]

I still need to figure out why so many people buy these types of computers (three time the price of what it should be, and you're restricted to only software and parts they validate)

[@harrison00xXx]

Because its not as bad as you think? There were at least in 2021 enough notebooks with 16GB Ram as well by default with the same price, so at least the M1 Pro (base model) was somehow competetive in pricing. I dont even mind the 8GB Air models, thats a joke i dont want even to believe its real, as much as 64GB storage iPad Airs for over 700$ lets say. I mean i get you, you probably talk about the 8GB Ram/Air models, but stepping up to the Pros, things changed. Not so much with M2 and M3 Pro, they are still a joke and 32GB Ram minimum would have been appropiate, but yeah, thats apple.

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Macbooks hold value at being powerful portable editing tools that get years of OS support. You can use other brands, but apples really carved out this public image of "being for creative types" and being seemless within their own device ecosystem.

[@Louis-L186]

@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 Yeah I get that they have a brand image, hope it goes away because they are really the worst in terms of sustainability and even market interoperability

[@celticsfan1554]

i mean professional editors dont even use apple tools they use premiere @@smittyvanjagermanjenson182

[@johnnykeys1978]

independent thought is difficult for some people.

[@rocketmunkey1]

The Caittites face at 2:32 sitting on your laptop, "right no more computer fun time for you, until I get my Tuna sandwich !!!!" 😂

[@Twosplinters]

You should know it's the Tuna SamMeowch 😂

[@ColinsCity]

I have 8GB of RAM on my 17" 2009 Macbook and it's fine for browsing/watching videos, photo editing, audio production and processing but i wouldn't try and edit a video on it, especially as i can't get iMovie to work on it, i'm guessing it's specs are incompatible with the last version on Monterey and it's hard to find the version that came with El Capitan. I can't believe they are still shipping 8GB RAM 256GB SSD models in the 2020s when 4K videos use an enormous amount of storage, it would be fine if it was a budget line for students and light users but it's for their pro models that cost thousands. I personally believe a base pro model should be coming with 32GB Ram 1TB SSD especially for the prices they charge and the fact nothing is user upgradable/fixable.

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

yea but thats not Apple Silicon, not comparable.

[@ColinsCity]

@@JohnSmith-pn2vl I know it's not the same but there is no way 8GB of RAM should be on any base model for such an expensive device that purports to have such powerful chips inside it, a lot of people can't afford 16GB with 512SSD for the M2/M3 so they go for the lower base model and end up with a dead macbook sooner than they should

[@openjaws]

I got the 8gb M3 macbook pro 14 for software development, i run 2 emulators, while having like 20 chrome tabs, spotify playing, code building in the background. although the laptop uses a lot of swap, ~ 14gb its still snappy most times, app launching and build times do take longer to complete though but still fair.

[@alet3348]

You do understand that this way you are killing your soldered SSD, right? No problem with that if you buy macbooks every 2 or so years. Whats your milage "smartctl -a disk0"? I have MBP 13" with 16GB ram, 512GB ssd, currently 9.5TBW, its almost 2 years old now.

[@assassinul95]

8gb of ram on a laptop that expensive? That's the definition of stupid

[@JohnSmith-pn2vl]

it is enough for 99,99 % of people 100% of the time, do not compare this to wintrash you can edit videos on the very entry level macbook without a fan easily jsut as he did. 1000 chrome tabs? no problem with 8GB apple silicon is just such a banger

[@michaelhonormusic]

8GB for creative work will NEVER be enough! Min is 16GB, at least 32GB for a hazard free experience.

[@BlindMansRevenge2002]

Two years from now he will be doing a video with a 32 GB MacBook Pro with 2 TB hard drive and he will still miss his money

[@whoshotdk]

Look, I can't get an iVANKY. I already have an ANKER. My friends are looking at me weird.

[@julianmorgan79]

256gb of storage and 8gb of ram in 2024 is wild 😂 apple users must all be long jump gold medalists with the huge logic jumps they have to make to justify their purchases.

[@cadenchurchill4296]

Impressive how much you can get out of a base model Air, but very glad I upgraded the RAM and SSD on mine. Still runs great and has literally never slowed down.

[@qwertyuser8541]

How much for the upgrade ?

[@cadenchurchill4296]

@@qwertyuser8541 Would have been about $450 CAD with the education discount. Got the 512GB SSD and 16GB of RAM. Wouldn’t upgrade the storage higher than that as it’s so ridiculously expensive, but definitely feel these upgrades were worthwhile

[@zeemon9623]

I'd love to get one of those docks you got so gracefully sponsored by. Too bad they only run on Macs.

[@vikingro]

550 Freedom bucks for that thing - which for the money I really hope that it does what it says on the box. What's wrong with Belkin and their 250-300 bucks same-purpose thingies? (When not at price reduction, I've got one of those at half a price.)

[@zeemon9623]

​@@vikingro There isn't anything wrong with the other offerings per se. I just happened upon this one earlier and I like the specific array of ports as well as the looks. It's no big deal either way. I thought "ooh, this one looks interesting" and now it's not interesting anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@vothaison91]

Guys, Sam needs our support. Send him support.

[@rockerkunal]

so what do I miss? my money heheheheh

[@Celestial_Cryptid]

0:15 lol I remember getting that error like 5 years ago Firefox would use 150gb of ram and it was flashing red, they still haven’t fixed it. But interestingly it never paused or had any notifications just got extremely hot until I shut it down.

[@nathleflutiste]

What computer I'm using well ? Well for more than eleven years, I've been using an HP Elitebook 8560p, upgraded to 8570p motherboard (yes HP only changed the motherboard, brillant Idea too bad they did not follow), so from a I7-2620m to I7-3630qm and from 4gb to 16 gb (damn at the time I could open more than 40 tabs with just 4gb), and the original 320gb hard-disc with a second 500gb SSD (I still had to get the DVD player out for that one). 15" screen, and the smoothest touchpad I've ever used. Absolutely great keyboard with numpad. All of that running with Ubuntu since the first year, and a wacom bamboo fun graphic tablet since the first year I got this computer (I'm unable to use the laptop without this tablet now, it's so much comfier and more efficient than a touchpad or a mouse). Still going strong.

[@pubwvj]

I went from a MacBook Pro 17” 16GB 2011 to a MacBook Air 15” M2 8GB 2023. To my surprise the 8GB really is enough. It was an involuntary upgrade as my old machine’s power supply died while I am in the Philippines. My plan had been to get a MacBook Pro M3 Max 16” 32GB but there was not time and the 8GB MBA was all that was available. I have been very pleased. It feels like I have more than the 16GB I used to have.

[@spongerobert]

RAM isn't always everything but it is the least expensive component so them still doing 8GB models on something you can't upgrade is really cheap especially since these are supposed to be ultra premium machines. Also, there's such a thing as swap file so if you have an ultra fast SSD (like most premium, modern machines) you won't actually notice the lack of ram but your SSD has limited writes which will wear out pretty quickly if you continually run it like a machine that's supposed to have 16GB RAM.

[@mb-watches]

I really was surprised to see what the m1 MacBook Air was capable of. Recently got myself the M2 Max with 32GB and this is like blasting through vids and footage. A little bit overkill to be honest. So well done and good choice Sam, cheers and happy weekend 👍🏻

[@markclayton8977]

Buying the 8GB MacBook Pro is like buying the cheapest Mercedes on the lot. The only thing you’re paying for is the logo

[@winlux2]

Swapping on the SSD causes a huge wear on the NAND, there are numerous reports of failing SSDs on year-old MacBooks.

[@definingslawek4731]

I somehow doubt anybody buying an 8gb or 16gb ram laptop in 2024 could ever write enough data to their ssd to kill the drive. That does not change that it's problematic how apple does it of course.

[@QUANTUMJOKER]

I bought an M1 Mac Mini in February 2021 after my heavily-upgraded 2008 Mac Pro died, and I was very happy with it - it's smooth, stable and very fast, and even handled complex games pretty well. However, I bought an M1 Max Mac Studio in August 2023. It's an outstanding upgrade, and overkill for my needs as a writer, editor and moderate gamer. My M1 Mini with 8 GB of unified memory engaged in near-constant swap memory activity, which isn't good for the lifespan of the SSD, but with 32 GB, my Mac Studio never carries out swap activity and has more memory than I'll ever need. By the way, I had a great time playing Resident Evil Village on my Mac Studio for Halloween last year, and I look forward to playing Death Stranding in a couple of days. :D

[@csumme7]

Using a HP elitebook 820 G3 that now runs ChromeOS Flex. and has 16gb of RAM.

[@user-wq8cp3bi9k]

Dont buy apple products!!! THE MORE YOU BUY THE MORE THEY FUK US WITH THIS PRICES...

[@organismseven3700]

There was a time when every Windows/PC product had minimum "recommended" specifications printed on the packaging. Nearly everyone knew it was bullshit. Apple, even in 2024, thinks they can get away with the same bullshit. And it seems they are right to do so. Before anyone gets there knickers in a twist, I have used/owned Apple kit and Windows/PC kit for decades. I am not a fanboy of either. They both have their good and bad points. But the Apple marketing machine is in a league of its own.

[@kissadev.]

There is already a comparison video between this and a 16 GB windows machine... and the Macbook stand behind in every single aspect.

[@UnwieldilyElephant]

I have the same Mac, (M2 Pro, 14") and I love it. I still can't get it to turn the fans on.

[@cardboard_boi]

ya know i hate so much on apple computers, but they have their own place. once youre walled into their ecosystem

[@harrison00xXx]

Not so much the ecosystem for me, but more the fact Mac OS is better to use than any windows OS...

[@cardboard_boi]

i can understand that. i mean you could find some custom distro of linux, but id only imagine that would just be a nightmare that only looks like mac os . to be honest, with how simple it is, its understandable why people love it. i mean if i gave mac os and windows to my grandma, which would she enjoy more? i mean ease of se is very important especially if your not one to tinker around as much@@harrison00xXx

[@EPhotoAlbum]

Great video as usual. I like that you have no problem mocking anyone. Or letting us share the journey of tech you have.

[@user-ww9yw4zi8m]

Just desolder the ram and install as much as you want, easy to do.

[@AlessioCollura]

Why people keep buying macs and complaining?