First Time Watching Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith - A NEW Fan is Born

[@mimic1984]

Fun fact: Hayden Christensen (Anakin/Vader) and Ewan McGregor (Obi-Wan) trained in fencing and fitness for two months to prepare for their final battle. As a result of their practice, the speed at which Kenobi and Vader engage the duel (in the completed movie) is the speed in which it was filmed, and was not digitally accelerated. 💜

[@Raged_Consumer]

I believe they were also told to slow down a bit.

[@indifference1015]

​@@Raged_Consumer Yes they were. Which makes it all the more impressive.

[@noOne-in8gp]

How many times have you commented?

[@Knowthyledge]

Yea Nick Gillard is sorely missed in Star Wars!

[@ЯАга-я4л]

​@@Raged_ConsumerI thought it was in Ep1 with Maul

[@spinosaurusiii7027]

One detail I love is Maul is pure rage Dooku is a fallen Jedi Grievous is a cyborg Vader is all three

[@BadRastafari97]

I fucking love this, mindblown

[@fornax5798]

Maul got his legs cut off. Dooku got his hands cut off. Grievous got set on fire. Vader relates to em all.

[@Imperials3nate]

Wish they gave more depth to all 3 in the films, especially Maul.

[@dbzdiehard7209]

​@fornax5798 oh god I didn't even think about that, that's crazy

[@goodisgood153]

@@fornax5798 oh damn

[@wingedbluj1674]

"Then his fate will be the same as ours." What Anakin said there was true... everyone in that room died by his hands.

[@EskChan19]

And on a Death Star

[@ShannonLynn21]

"Somehow, Palpatine returned"

[@kamixakadio2441]

@@ShannonLynn21 Non-canon

[@jacquesmassard9226]

They also all return from the dead ​@@ShannonLynn21

[@MitchisaTurtle]

@@ShannonLynn21there is no sequel trilogy in ba sing se

[@TritopolisD408]

"You were my brother, Anakin! I loved you!" - such a powerful delivery, it just rips my heart out everytime. That final lightsaber duel and Order 66 both go so hard.

[@madamsamoyed5732]

Agreed. Ewan McGregor did an amazing job.

[@WyvernKing3423]

Absolutely tragic.

[@cpob2013]

especially after anakin just screamed "i hate you" he still had love

[@chauser400]

And you’ll find in the clone wars that obi-wan doesn’t love lightly.

[@pabloc8808]

After all these years and God knows how many rewatches, Order 66 and the final duel still hurt

[@Fairburne69]

"So this is how liberty dies. With Thunderous applause." One of my favorite lines in any movie.

[@s_napps]

That one and “I don’t believe it” “That is why you fail” Goes. Fucking. Hard.

[@inspector_beyond]

Fun fact: Each of the antagonists in this trilogy symbolized Vader's characteristics: - Maul is the representation of Vader's rage - Dooku represents Great Jedi that fell - Griveous represents who Anakin will become - a great warrior that lost most of his body and was placed into uncomfortable cybernetic encasing, without which he cannot live. George Lucas described Prequels to his team like that: "It's like poetry, it rhymes", which he's not wrong about.

[@jefferyandbob3137]

@@OscarSolis-j1m Memeable doesnt equal bad. People love Breaking Bad as a genuine masterpiece for example and all the big moments are memed to hell and back.

[@LIGHTNING132YTG]

@@OscarSolis-j1m burner account much?

[@ninjanolan6328]

And the operating scene is a direct allusion to Frankenstein's monster, (with him being cuffed to the table, and his creator standing off to the side). Vader has become the amalgamation of everything he swore to destroy. In George's own words, "He sold himself to the devil."

[@Abdullah7536]

@@OscarSolis-j1mA lot of people‘s criticisms for bad writing resolves around the fact that they have a lot of misunderstandings about the prequels. For example, the dialogue, while not especially great, is not bad written at all. Instead, it takes a different approach from what we are used to; George takes a very unconventional, Shakespeare-like approach. This is mostly seen with Anakin though. George‘s quote and subsequent explanation is an understandable and valid defense.

[@dreyrosas9916]

Maul represents Anakins obedience as a sith apprentice, following orders without thought of his own, not really his rage or anger

[@shinyagumon7015]

I always liked how this movie's name is actually a callback to the fact that George Lucas actually wanted to call Episode 6 Revenge of the Jedi until he realized that revenge isn't really all that Jedi like.

[@Amused_Comfort_Inc]

Which makes the influence the dark side has seen that much more real too, I feel like 1 2 and 3 really drive home the use of the force and what it really means to be a Jedi

[@illogicalbear6200]

​@@OscarSolis-j1m that was a bonus, but not the reason. They had plenty of budget by then.

[@Commander_Shepard.]

@@OscarSolis-j1m Sure, a multi-million dollar franchise changed the title because of one letter. Let's just forget there were already posters and merch released with the original title, and it would have cost more to rebrand all the merchandise. Man get out with that BS. 😂

[@Commander_Shepard.]

@@illogicalbear6200 That's not even a bonus, because it was more expensive to rebrand the movie after all the promotion and merch released with the original title. In the end it costed more.

[@loganwendigo937]

No matter what anyone says about the prequels, this is my favorite Star Wars film. Just the entire thing is an epic tragedy, a full scale galactic war, an orchestra playing throughout, it’s an amazing film. So happy to see y’all love these films too!

[@cameronwiscovitch4186]

Fun fact! When Obi-Wan covers his mouth I’m shock after saying Anakin killed the younglings, it’s actually because Ewan McGregor kept laughing every time he said youngling and was hiding his smile.

[@HumbleCurate]

I heard it was actually because Anthony Daniels (C3PO) tripped over something off screen and fell, and Ewan is just trying to hold it together

[@D3viant517]

Guess even he thought that plot point was ridiculous

[@kai.xx6]

@@D3viant517 With the knowledge of the comics it sorta make sense but saldly they never gave us an explanation in the movies. If I’m not wrong it's because of what they reminded him, they never showed us but he was always excluded at the temple, he never fitted in and was never really accepted as one of them or recognized by the Jedi and the younglings were always a constant reminder of that

[@D3viant517]

@@kai.xx6 Even so having him go from smiley mister “this is where the fun begins” guy to mass innocent child murderer in the span of a couple days just seems like an asspull Lucas did to make anakin seem super edgy.

[@Yugi3344]

@@HumbleCurateI’ve only heard the first story and it seems more likely as I heard it took a lot of takes to film that bit

[@thewinterprince1731]

The reason Grievous coughs despite being a robot is because he isn't one. He's a cyborg who has replaced roughly 90% of his body with cybernetics. His lungs are one of the few original body parts he has left, but after they were damaged in a past fight seen in the Clone Wars cartoons, he became weaker and gained a debilitating cough, turning him prone to running from dangerous fights where he once would have curb-stomped them. Frankly, I wish we got to see more of Grievous in his prime. Dude was TERRIFYING, capable of fighting off four jedi at once with ease to the point that he actively hunted them without fear.

[@MysticPaladin]

And his organs are coated in a highly flammable oil to keep them moist and functioning.

[@DHehsgssisi77]

I think he was created with the remains of Syfo Dias?

[@chambatips3619]

Ruined by the fat dude

[@Asari547]

wasnt there a short story about grievous and how dooku placed a bomb under grievous seat to make him dependent on cybernetics and him?

[@DHehsgssisi77]

@@Asari547 maybe I don't know

[@spencergrady4575]

While Anakin isn't wrong about killing not being the Jedi way, remember: Sidious clearly was not unarmed as we see by his Sith Lightning. Dooku, on the other hand, was literally unnarmed and Anakin beheaded him.

[@Broomer52]

It’s more accurate to say Jedi don’t murder. They take lives when necessary but never on a whim or out of vengeance. Dooku was no longer a threat and Palpatine was.

[@spencergrady4575]

@@Broomer52 essentially what I said when I mentioned Sidious was not unarmed and used Sith Lightning and Dooku was literally unarmed. Also, they seemed to understand the context based on their reaction when Dooku was killed and what Anakin said after.

[@Verebazs]

Palpatine was pretending to have no more power. From Windu and Anakin's perspective he was defenseless, so Anakin was right to warn Windu against killing him then and there. Even if Windu suspected it was only a rouse, he had always been the biggest stickler when it came to keeping the Jedi Code, so by Windu's own standards he had no right to strike Palpatine down, while Palpatine was begging for mercy. In fact, Windu's statement, that Palpatine is too dangerous to be kept alive, is a direct callback to Palpatine himself saying word-for-word the exact same thing about Dooku, after Anakin beheaded him.

[@spencergrady4575]

@Verebazs you kind of proved my point... Anakin was asking Windu not to do exactly what he did, and was goaded to do by that very person 😂 As for pretending to be weak... Windu initially did say arrest, and Anakin even heard that the second time it was said. Following that, Sith Lightning is used to the point Windu's saber was literally bending. Obi-Wan put it perfectly to Qui-Gon, "Anakin had the training and wisdom to choose otherwise, but he didn't."

[@seevideonow]

Context matters. Dooku wasn't a threat and had vital information about the second Sith lord. Palatine had total control of the government and was the most powerful being they'd ever seen from both a physical and political stance. He wouldn't be in prison for long, the Jedi knew that the clone army wasn't really theres, and if he was a sith lord that meant that he was controlling an entire army on the opposite side. Yes, the decision Windu made was technically against the Jedi code but Anakin only latched onto that argument to justify learning Palatine's secrets and it let him do the mental gymnastics to murder every Jedi. They were already crossing a line when they decided to engage Palpatine at all, they were commiting treason. The brilliant part about a Palpatine was that he didn't just beat the Jedi and take over the galaxy, he basically forced them all closer to the dark side by just being in the war and making practical decisions while making them look like the bad guys trying to overthrow a legitimate, elected head of state. None of that absolves Anakin though and lopping off Palapatine's head was the right choice.

[@vincible45]

This movie has aged like fine wine throughout the years and BY GOD does the Clone Wars Series has done this movie justice

[@chrissolace]

The CW series is SO good. I hope if they’re wanting to do more SW content, they go there.

[@emilylewis5373]

I love Hayden's acting in this movie. The scene with padme and finding out she is pregnant, the worry and happiness both flashing across his face, to the coldness of him killing the younglings. he does such a good job in the movie.

[@HellBent_]

Frfr, honestly his acting is really good in a lot of scenes in this movie particularly. It's just an unfortunate script and direction kinda led to some interesting moments, but that's true of pretty much everyone in these movies

[@Miodude]

If you do, you should check out the behind the scenes of that moment. That dead look in his eyes is on camera.

[@emilylewis5373]

@@HellBent_ The script held a lot back. Honestly the best scenes in clone wars were the padme and anakin scenes that were cut. The writing was a lot better in those and we saw more of them as a couple.

[@Fordo007]

the script and delivery of the dialogue he did the best he could. But the body language and emotion on his face he nailed 110% all the time.

[@thehighseer23]

Honestly, I'm convinced that Lucas cast him because of that edge that he can bring out for the darkness in Anakin. He does all right in the scenes where he is uncertain of himself or what you might call "normal" Anakin, but when he's upset, he kicks up to another level. Even in Attack of the Clones, his stand-out scenes were when he lost his mother and then when he admitted what he did to Padme. In Revenge of the Sith, one of my favorite scenes for him is when he is venting to Obi-Wan after the council meeting and finds out that the Jedi are asking him to be shady after snubbing him. Both Hayden and Ewan are doing a great job in their back and forth and it hits what I think is Hayden's sweet spot of holding back how pissed he is... but that anger still gives him bite and energy in his performance. Now, after seeing his recent reprisals of Anakin in Obi-Wan Kenobi and (the far better) Ahsoka, he feels fully in control of his performance in a way he didn't really seem to be at this younger age... but I guess that's expected. I really appreciated his appearance in Ahsoka. I hope he does more.

[@SebasTian58323]

From the novelization of the revenge of the sith. "Thank you." Darth Vader turned to the last living leader of the Confederacy of Independent Systems. Nute Gunray, viceroy of the Trade Federation, stood trembling in an alcove, blood-tinged tears streaming down his green-mottled cheeks. "The war . . . ," he whimpered. "The war is over-Lord Sidious promised-he promised we would be left in peace . . ." "His transmission was garbled." The blade came up. "He promised you would be left in pieces.'' And later. "You loved her. You will always love her. You could never will her death. Never. But you remember . . . You remember all of it. You remember the dragon that you brought Vader forth from your heart to slay. You remember the cold venom in Vader's blood. You remember the furnace of Vader's fury, and the black hatred of seizing her throat to silence her lying mouth-And there is one blazing moment in which you finally understand that there was no dragon. That there was no Vader. That there was only you. Only Anakin Skywalker. That it was all you. Is you. Only you. You did it. You killed her. You killed her because, finally, when you could have saved her, when you could have gone away with her, when you could have been thinking about her, you were thinking about yourself. . . It is in this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side, the final cruelty of the Sith-Because now your self is all you will ever have. And you rage and scream and reach through the Force to crush the shadow who has destroyed you, but you are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory, and so with all your world-destroying fury it is only droids around you that implode, and equipment, and the table on which you were strapped shatters, and in the end, you cannot touch the shadow. In the end, you do not even want to. In the end, the shadow is all you have left. Because the shadow understands you, the shadow forgives you, the shadow gathers you unto itself-And within your furnace heart, you burn in your own flame. This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker. Forever . . ."

[@thehighseer23]

Probably one of the best novelizations I've ever read. Somehow Matthew Stover nailed gritty, psychological Star Wars in a way no-one else has been able to, ever. Shatterpoint, also by Stover, is a juggernaut of a novel about Mace Windu that doesn't really hide the fact that it's a Star Wars version of Heart of Darkness (that novel that Apocalypse Now was based on). I haven't read either in over a decade, but moments from them live in my mind forever.

[@Kirk-36Moshpit]

​​@@thehighseer23I think the Blu-Ray takes after the novelization a bit; I recognized some lines from the book that weren't in the theater cut. I remember being in Barnes and Noble as a kid and reading parts of the book and a random guy just decided to buy the book for me (shout-out to him). I must have read that book a dozen times, and I can still recite parts of the book word-for-word, if asked.

[@Kirk-36Moshpit]

I really wish the movies had more facial expressions from actors to show their state of mind; in the novelization Anakin turned into a straight-up psychopath, and I wish we got to actually see that in the movie. That lack of expression, to me, is where George Lucas truly dropped the ball with the prequels.

[@jacquesmassard9226]

the novel is fire!

[@JohnYoo39]

Damn that's amazing

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

Something that is noticeable when Palpatine is telling the Darth Plagueis story is he slightly smirks when he finally mentions that his apprentice turned on him, which is a neat little nod

[@RobDog-l8v]

Love the tiny detail at 33:28. When Anakin first started his lightsaber, Palpatine tensed slightly and moved his fingers -- as if getting ready for a duel. But quickly recovers and calmly continues the conversation. For a brief moment Palpatine might have thought he'd gone too far (or too soon).

[@Freefall984]

3:09 the projectile hitting the republic ship is a kitchen sink. The animators put it in as an inside joke, because they were throwing everything into the scene including the kitchen sink

[@ThePolishValsion]

Ooh, now I understand when CinemaWins guy said "everything is in this shot, including the kitchen sink"

[@kassironskillet]

52:40 great attention to detail with anakins eyes. In this scene, he’s feeling regret, and therefore he doesn’t have yellow eyes. He’s not bracing his hatred in this moment. but as soon as he begins to embrace his hatred during the climactic battle, that’s when his eyes turn yellow!

[@isaakneighbor2471]

"You were my brother Anakin! I loved you!" Damn, tears every time.

[@Miodude]

Worste thing is, you can see Anakin's mouth moving a bit during that scene. In the original he begs Obi wan to save him. And Obi wan saies he can't.

[@rikk319]

@@Miodude That wasn't "the original". That was a variation of the scene. George Lucas, like most directors, often films more than one version of a scene, then chooses during editing which one to use.

[@Joel-bt4tt]

Sidious actually does know how to keep people from dying. As he states Plagueis knew and his apprentice learned too. He never tells Anakin that he was that apprentice. He tells Anakin he doesn’t know to string him along so he can be like “keep serving me and eventually we’ll figure it out together.” The novelization states that when Sidious puts his hand on Vader’s forehead on Mustafar he is using the dark side to keep him alive until the clones return with the medical capsule.

[@WolfODonnelfan]

Now this is entirely my own theory and I have not read anything that supports this belief, but I believe that the secret to save someone from dying is 'a life for a life' which is why Padme dies while giving birth. Essentially, I believe that Sidious used some sort of dark side ritual to transfer the life force from Padme to Anakin as Anakin should have died from the damage taken at Mustafar, and this gives a better reason for Padme to wilt away as the 'lost the reson for living' doesn't sound like her. Yes, she loved Anakin, but I believe that Padme also loved their children and they should have been enough for her to keep on living.

[@solarguard7301]

Fun Fact: the reason R2-D2 never listens to Luke whenever he tells him to stay with the ship is because when Anakin told him to, he never returned. he didn’t want to lose Luke the same way he did with Anakin also, they were originally gonna have a lightsaber gauntlet in this movie, a gauntlet with 2 lightsaber blades attached on the sides, that the jedi Plo Koon would’ve used instead of a normal lightsaber

[@ravenguard047]

But…didn’t he get his memory wiped along with C-3P0?

[@MitchisaTurtle]

@@ravenguard047no anakin never had R2’s memory wiped

[@b3yourself91]

@@MitchisaTurtleanakin never wiped any of the droids, it was bail organa that did that I believe

[@masterswordwielder]

​@@ravenguard047In the movie and the reaction they say/acknowledge that 3PO got his memory wiped, but not R2

[@toriecarter2711]

@@ravenguard047 Most people don't bother to talk to droids like they're sentient beings, except people like Anakin. Most don't even understand the beeps-boops that astromech droids communicate with & need another droid like C-3PO to translate (once again, something Anakin does is understand Artoo~). Luke starts out needing Threepio to translate for Artoo, but by the 5th movie he's talking with Artoo without translation. Small spoiler: Anakin was also very against ever wiping Artoo, even when Artoo had secret info. Droids that don't get wiped start to develop personalities, and Anakin did want Artoo's personality ever erased. I always wondered if Bail knew this and that's why he didn't wipe Artoo?~~~

[@malvegil1838]

In the book, it was explained that promoting Anakin to Master would have given him access to the Jedi archives, possibly enabling him to find a way to prevent Padme's death.

[@jades5772]

The sad thing is she would Not have died in the first place if anikin was more pationce If He would Not turnen to the dark side she would have been alive

[@Fordo007]

@@jades5772 Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. He had visions of his mother and did nothing and they came 100% true and he could have stopped it had he acted. Padme he see's dying and him trying to stop it causes it. I'm sure there's a timeline where the reverse happened and he saved his mother by doing nothing and Padme then died because he didn't try to change the vision.

[@peregrinning]

Or maybe they could have gone to an actual doctor

[@malvegil1838]

​@@peregrinning That's what they did. The med droid couldn't find any physical cause for her condition.

[@Senkoau]

Which was why he was obsessed with becoming one and basically proved over and over again he wasn't ready to be a master.

[@Zombiewithabowtie]

41:33 "Find him... Find him.... Fives... FIND HIM!"

[@Fiddlefiddle5000-qv1ly]

The mission... The nightmares... Im finally... Frrreeee😢😢😢

[@MitchisaTurtle]

AHHHHH 😭

[@melindamuller4466]

SPOILERS

[@Fiddlefiddle5000-qv1ly]

@@melindamuller4466 ITS FIIIINNNNEEEE they dont know the reference

[@memelord7567]

Fives :'(

[@loganmaximus2160]

In this movie, Yoda first reveals that Qui-Gon Jinn has figured out the path to immortality, as we have been used to seeing in the original trilogy. You may not have noticed, but in the last movie when Anakin's mother died and Anakin was killing the Sand People, they showed Yoda feeling his pain while meditating. The subtitles say, "Qui-Gon Jinn's Voice: No Anakin!!! No-o-o!!!!" That was the first sign that Qui-Gon wasn't fully gone, and Yoda was able to hear him

[@donnyouttheway4091]

BRO WTF???! Seriously?? I thought that was a random person Anakin was slicing. I mean I was 4 in 1999 and I never thought to cut on subtitles when my pops bought the DVD. I didn’t even know what that meant at that time. And I never thought to cut them on now as an adult.

[@pulpjedaii]

Fans are kinda split on when Anakin is accepted into the council. On one hand, he has done a great deal for teh war effort of teh Jedi and Republic, but on the other, his rise trhough their ranks has been unorthodox and somewhat rushed, he doesn't have the requisite wisdom and restraint that comes with mastery in the Jedi Order. Also, as Anakin stated, the Council elects its own members and the move by the Chancellor to interfere in their affairs was unwelcome.

[@thomasschmelzer7676]

Yeah, him having the outburst really proved he wasn't ready for the rank of Master. He still needed to mature as a man.

[@VergilTheMotivatedKatanaMan]

​@@thomasschmelzer7676 The Councils pushed him away rather than giving him some good advice, the Jedi have many flaws even though Anakin aren't mature enough but that doesn't mean The Jedi Councils are right though. The propechy of The Chosen One is bringing down both the Jedi and the Sith, there's too much Jedi in the galaxy and also less of the Sith. Don't give me started of what the Jedi did in Old Republic.

[@Nin-Saber]

Some fans also view the Council as some sort of power ranking because most of the strongest Jedi are present there. This makes them believe Anakin should naturally be there since he’s the 3rd-4th strongest Jedi but, as you said, being a master is about wisdom, restraint, etc. Anakin isn’t ready at that point.

[@TheDarkOne1920]

​@@Nin-Saber Anakin was supposed to be a master a very long time ago, but because of the council he wasen't made one. So I literally can see why he is mad about it.

[@Veradun99]

I was also under the impression that one of the requirements to become a master was raising a padawan to knighthood. Maybe that's just a fanon thing but it seems like something the jedi would say. to be master in the order you must have actually been a master to a student.

[@mitsukitai2713]

My take on Obi-Wan's "Only the Sith deal in absolutes" is the following. Obi Wan is stating an absolute, not dealing in them. To deal in them, it would require putting forward a proposition with one clear choice, and one awful one. Doing so removes the need for debate, or reasoning. Obi wan is stating such a mentality is something only embraced by a sith. A minor distinction, but obi wan is not debating anything at that point. He has resigned to accept Anakin is past reason, and is well and truly a sith

[@rikk319]

Being so black-and-white is literally in the Sith Code, so Obi-wan was right on target.

[@axxjazz.]

also obi-wan did not attack in that moment, he defended himself, anakin made the first move

[@contentiouscritic]

@@axxjazz. disagree, obi-wan lights his saber first signaling resignation to combat, while saying "I will do what I must".

[@bigma5e]

What blows my mind the most is how Palpatine knew about Anakin being married. He would literally dive into Anakin's brain and learned everything. George Lucas even came out and said Palpatine was putting the nightmares of his wife's death in his head to further his path to the dark side.

[@parkerboy795]

Padme didn't tell Anakin not to tell anybody. She and Anakin decided together because the Jedi code forbids relationships like theirs.

[@axxjazz.]

yes one thing they didn't quite realize is that the jedi are basically monks, that forgoe any earthly attachments

[@SyxxPunk]

The Jedi Code does not forbid romantic relationships. Kit Fisto is married, openly.

[@dwilliams380]

⁠@@SyxxPunkit does indeed. The only openly married Jedi is Ki Adi-Mundi. His marriage is not one of passion, but of duty. On his home world, females outnumber males something like 4:1 or greater. So every male must marry multiple females and bare children otherwise their race would eventually die out. I believe this was also a condition of his release to the Jedi as a Youngling. If not, it was certainly understood and accepted. Romantic attachments of any kind are disallowed. However, there is a grey area, similar to that of the Nights Watch in GOT. Jedi are not allowed to form romantic attachments, but is dispassionate sexual activity an attachment? It can be, but not necessarily. So it’s possible that some Jedi engaged in horizontal activities, and maybe there are species that require that sort of thing for a survival purpose.

[@Bemis_Art]

Fun fact, in the novelization of this movie, when Anakin meets padme before going to mustifar(lava planet) 3PO asks R2 what’s up with Anakin, and all R2 can say is “I don’t know… he doesn’t talk to me anymore…”

[@shadowstorm9119]

Damn! I've never heard that before. That's heart breaking, but now that I think about it, he really doesn't speak to him

[@mimic1984]

Just for a little more information, there were over 10,000 Jedi Knights across the Galaxy, so only more or less than 100 survived, but most were eventually hunted down and killed (or turned in a certain way, but you two haven't explored what that means just yet)

[@ljeans531]

Slight correction, at the beginning of TCW there were around 10,000 Jedi. Over 2k died before the formation of the clone Army and there after. We don't have an exact number how many Jedi were left before order 66. But it ranges from 7-8k. Still a lot of people to kill😢

[@Kevc00]

Which is an insane success rate, like even if say 2,000 Jedi died in the clone wars and if only 100-200 survive, because some media suggests up to 200, that still means the clones killed 97.5%. That number of 10,000 Jedi Knights also doesn't include younglings or padawans as they hadn't passed their trials to become full members of the order so easily add another 2,000 onto that number so we are probably back up to 10,000 Jedi so 98% kill ratio. That is impressive which is why it annoys me when people complain about any Jedi surviving Order 66. After 19 years of hunting by A New Hope those who survived were either extremely well hidden or had turned to the dark side. Either way it doesn't diminish Luke's achievements like some suggest.

[@luke4685]

Bro… Tha’t is a Super Masacre xf

[@Kevc00]

@@luke4685 like 97.5 - 99% effective depending on the numbers. But either way god damn, love em or hate em, the clones are good.

[@emilylewis5373]

@@Kevc00 Exactly. The whole creation of the inquisitors and the systemic hunting of survivors makes order 66 more terrifying to me. Even in the old eu there were tons of survivors who were hunted by hands.

[@HeyShotgun]

In the clone wars tv show , yoda actually shows more care for anakin than depicted in the movies . It’s wholesome.

[@BlandSpagetti]

Shout out to the wookies the moment they heard the Jedi had been betrayed by the clones they didn’t hesitate to help

[@silverneon4675]

Fun fact: When the darth vader helmet is being put onto Anakin, you can faintly hear him say “padme help me.” I haven’t known that for YEARS and now that I do I can’t unhear it. It’s so chilling

[@anamewillcomelater]

It's not in the script, the captions or the novelisations. It seems to be one of those situations where your brain can pattern match the gargled sounds to comprehend the sound in a way you expect it to (i.e. once someone tells you that's what it says, then you can hear it, but it's not actually there).

[@Imperials3nate]

​@@anamewillcomelater Sounds similar to how when the Emperor's picked un in RotJ, his yell kinda sounds like he's shouting "Anakin no/why!"

[@timothycambron]

“I’ve been looking forward to this”

[@wingedbluj1674]

"This is where the fun begins"

[@nilso3196]

Oh man i wanted to make this comment 😢

[@ToaCody1]

46:18 Yeah, you're gonna want to keep that mentality in mind as you head into the Sequels.

[@Bensen555]

"dew it" sean and eric: Hahaha 😂 ruff: O_O gotta love the difference in their reations 😅

[@dreadpiraterobertsnumba5]

Palpatine, how did you do as the pitcher in that baseball game? Palpatine: Threw it.

[@jaguarotacoa7538]

Palpatine, wow, how did you score a 100 on that test!? Palpatine: Knew it.

[@rainbowprism6242]

It is sad that the Jedi that looks the most like the villain (the one who died in fighter ship) is the one who is the most gigachad of Jedi who risked his life to save "expendble" clones.

[@TheMaskGamer2007]

Watching Clone Wars made Plo Koon's death far more sadder.

[@Stuntmachine14]

Plo Koon is a top 5 jedi. He cared for the clones so much. Clone wars is awesome

[@J__T]

Plo Koon is a favorite of Dave Filoni which is the whole reason for why he is like that whatsoever.

[@flaminginferno6641]

​@timmychungus-di2rkwe're still using cringe terms like cringe?

[@tomnapier221]

watching star wars through the eyes of "The Seduction of Anakin Skywalker" all 6 movies. it's just a chefs kiss story. Is it perfect writing? in some parts no. but it is a ancient greek tradgedy, its art. and the extended stories are just other threads in anakins story. everything returns to him and the world he has created or fought for or died for.

[@Necrosym13]

Fun fact: Ian McDiarmid who plays palpatine in the prequel trilogy also played the emperor in star wars episode 6.

[@stingerbrg]

@19:59 Anakin is only there because the Chancellor demanded it. Of course they're not going to take him seriously as a member. It's the same as if the CEO puts their unqualified favorite nephew in charge of your team.

[@peregrinning]

Not only that but the jedi order is a private religious order that self governs. Yes it has ties to the senate, but in the capacity of an outside advisor or contractor

[@rikk319]

It's more like if a boss names his new 18 year old employee in charge of his own parents' bank account. Palpatine was just giving off huge authoritarian vibes everyone who was sane should have noticed years before.

[@Senkoau]

@@rikk319 Well a massive war is a fairly good distraction and even then they did start noticing and worrying.

[@fraizuh]

"Only a sith deals in absolutes." That's a statement, not a deal. Anakin's deal to Obi-Wan was "Submit to me or be destroyed" which is indeed a manner that only a sith, or their underlings would deal in.

[@complex2live]

So you guys cut the scene out, but during the Grievous fight, there is a moment Grievous tries smashing Kenobi's head with his foot. This is a reference to the 2004 Clone Wars miniseries where ke kills a Jedi by grabbing his face, smashing it into the ground, and then throws him at a wall. And did I mention he was fighting 5 jedi in that battle?

[@rikk319]

That animated series was just dripping with over-the-top combat scenes, like that one, Anakin vs Ventress, and Windu solo vs an entire droid army.

[@MedicJR]

1:05:01 it was actually a real life setting in a real desert. The cameras were just from 2005 because that’s when the movie was made 😂

[@benjaminroe311ify]

Actually that opening scene in this movie before blue ray already looked incredible in the theater there were dozens of gasps and mouths wide open when those starfighters dropped into battle on opening night.

[@peregrinning]

19:59 keep in mind that anakin is only 23 here. At his age Obi-Wan was still a padawan. Quite frankly anakin has no place even being knighted yet, much less being in the council. And palpatine should not have any say in the council of a private religious order. But here we are. Anakin's anger and entitlement that palps feeds into is one of many reasons he is not remotely ready to be a master.

[@ChanningNobles]

When Obi Wan told Anakin he loved him, That made me tear up😭😞

[@Artaimus]

So one of the cool lore things is in Palpatine's office is a big display that him and Anakin stand before. In it is depicted users of the light side of the force defeating users of the dark side of the force. He is literally flaunting his connection to the force while the Jedi think he's showing respect to them.

[@Lupinemancer87]

A little trivia for Ruff, as I don't know if he's aware of this. When someone becomes a Jedi Youngling, part of their training is to go to one of the many caves scattered all over different planets to find a Kyber Crystal which is the source of power for a Lightsaber. This Crystal starts out clear, but once it is awakened by the Force, its color changes to match the nature of its master and this also determines the color of the lightsaber's blade. Originally, there was only Blue for Jedi and Red for Sith, but during filming of Return of the Jedi, George Lucas changed the color of Luke's lightsaber to green as the blue color would have melded in with the blue sky of Tatoonine. He later canonized the green color as a result. I don't know if this has been changed since or not, but originally green lightsabers were for Jedi who were more attuned to the Force, while Blue represented those better in martial combat. When Sam Jackson demanded his character have a Purple Lightsaber, as purple is his favorite color, George Lucas allowed it and later canonized the Purple color as well. Since then more colors were also added, each reflecting different natures of their wielder.

[@Fordo007]

I liked the old EU explanation that some crystals are just different colors so the lightsaber color is different and Jedi used Ilum for crystals where they were only blue and green while some planets had rarer crystals of other colors like purple, yellow, orange, cyan, silver, etc... and Sith red crystals were synthetic to fit the Sith 'machine' theme and cheating and manipulating the natural order to get what they want.

[@Zombiewithabowtie]

I had heard that Sith lightsabers were uniformly red because Khyber crystals are universally attuned to the Light side of the Force. When a Dark Side user creates a lightsaber, or turns to it, their Khyber crystal is corrupted which creates the red colouration.

[@nothingmusic42]

@@Zombiewithabowtie a Dark Sider focuses the Dark Side i, through the crystal in a ritual known as "bleeding: the Khyber crystal, turning it red. Ahsoka took the bled crystals from the Inquisitor's blade she defeated and focused the Light Side back through them, resulting in her blades being white.

[@mase8189]

That’s a Disney change… it’s not Lucas canon. They crystals are already colored, red ones are synthetic. He would have to construct a new lightsaber.

[@ignisinfernal1843]

@@mase8189 That's not true actually. It was Lucas' idea that lightsaber crystals start as colorless and change their color when bonded with a Force user. You can see that in the Gathering episode of The Clone Wars and it's even been said that Lucas also came up with the bleeding idea while that episode was being worked on. It just never got used until after Disney bought Lucasfilm.

[@Gruber122]

Anakin last movie saying how he killed the men women and children. Padme "he would never have killed children"

[@mimic1984]

The Clone Wars animated series gives into much more detail as to why the clones turned on the Jedi. For years after this movie released, us fans never knew why. 💜

[@kevinbell5674]

No, we knew why. What the show did was a textbook definition of retcon. Stop trying to rewrite history by pretending no one knew that the clones were ultimate loyal to Palpatine and the Republic and not the Jedi. It's not a hard concept to understand.

[@reinhardt_tv]

bruh, Anakin, Dooku and Grievous in TCW are...... absolutely different characters, maybe Grievous can be discussed but who the hell is Anakin and Dooku? They have different voice actors, different behaviour, habits and reactions, it's honestly bad

[@studior2962]

Which is why I think the sequels need their own animated tv show

[@EdithCardellini]

No, YOU never knew why until seeing The Clone Wars series, apparently. But plenty of us fans certainly did. It was all explained in Attack of the Clones.

[@andalilbitqueer]

@@kevinbell5674 retcons are fine actually, and considering Lucas made these movies and then made the Clone Wars, pretending this the concept isn't from the horse's mouth is nothing but cope.

[@Toonwalla2010]

I will never forget the first time i saw this film in cinemas all those years ago. The absolute silence when Vader's mask was placed on his face for the first time up until that first rattling breath. No one could breathe or move because everyone was just watching the screen so intently you could literally hear a pin drop. I still get chills remembering that moment.

[@mimic1984]

Fun fact: It was very difficult to animate the fight between Obi-Wan and General Grievous due to Grievous's four arms and Kyle Rowling in a mo cap suit (not to mention him only having two arms obviously) so they made sure Obi-Wan took care of Grievous's hands quickly. (In case you're wondering how I know this, it's something I remember reading in my visual guidebook that goes through the first 6 movies) 💙 💚 💙 💚

[@FirstLast-yh7gj]

I figured that

[@SamLoser2]

I noticed there was a lot of close ups in that fight to the point you couldn't really tell what was happening, especially while Grievous still had 3+ limbs. I think there just isn't many reasonable ways to believably choreograph the fight so that Obi-Wan can defend himself from all 4 sabers, and the close ups hide the 2 or 3 limbs doing nothing that we'd expect to be able to strike Obi-Wan.

[@kevinworytko1099]

42:00 *"The mission. The one in our dreams."*

[@murasakino9173]

Order 66 is the most historical moment in Star Wars that won't be forgotten!

[@gumdeo]

And only Yoda saw it coming...

[@Fernando5455Jr]

Operation Knightfall

[@Only1Noodle]

Trivia fact: The Administrator of Utapau that greets Obi-Wan is the Gyro Captain from Mad Max. The one Jedi's death that hits harder is Plo Kloon. Because in the clone wars show, one of the clones says "we're made to be expendable", which Plo Kloon response with "Not to me".

[@Ringking-ws7bz]

Plo Koon was the best jedi of this era and not many know it

[@Michganfanatic]

I remember seeing this in theatre as a 4th grade and balling my eyes out at order 66. I knew he had to be done but not expecting the total execution of the Jedi

[@JpoeCardRips]

59:42 fun fact, when obiwan says dont try it, he is referring to the flip he does. When Anakin was young he thought obi wan’s move on darth maul was amazing and fantasized about doing that move some day, so obi wan knew exactly how to counter it.

[@Invinci-NeD]

“IT CAME, IT FINALLY CAME!!! The Big One”

[@XanafiedcatGaming]

The two giant black vases in Palpatine's office have the ashes of Darth Plagueis. Palpatine was wearing a ancient Sith robe when he publicly announced the start of the Empire. He really enjoys dropping little hints that he is a Sith so he can laugh at how stupid everyone else in the universe is for not noticing. Darth Sidious was a risk taker that likes being the puppet master playing with the lives of others.

[@finris1]

In the original Clone Wars animated series, it ended with Grievous abducting Palpatine and then getting force crushed by Mace Windu to where he had respiratory problems during Episode III.

[@illogicalbear6200]

For reference, Greivous' vehicle is a quad-legged monocycle. Its a singular wheel that encapsulates the chassis, but with four legs that it uses as jump stat and kickstand. Ive wanted that bike for a long ass time.

[@sachaallari592]

That "So Horribly Green Screened" shot was REAL and was the last shot completed when filming Episode 2 Attack of the Clone as Lucas would not return for 1 shot for Episode 3. It was filmed during a real sunset and the 2nd sun was added in post.

[@domingocurbelomorales8635]

When Padme was buried, you can see the huge belly. They tried to cheat the Emperor, looking like she had died pregnant.

[@axxjazz.]

just saying the "belly" does not disappear instantly, it normally takes a few weeks if not months, the baby would normally way less then half the weight you put on

[@loreking486]

@@axxjazz. you wouldnt be the exact size you were while pregnant though.

[@mimic1984]

Y'all still have so much Star Wars to go through and I'm 1000% here for it all! 💜

[@BlueRoseWolfie]

General Grevious is one of my favorite designs they came up with, his intimidating walk with the 4 lightsabers slashing the ground is so insane I love it. Obi-wan Kenobi in this film cemented my love of short bearded men, "Hello There" was a favorite saying of mind and I still randomly do it. I feel so bad for Vader in a way, he was manipulated greatly, and purely because he was not happy in his position as a Jedi.

[@SpacialRend7]

My favorite of the prequel films! General Grievous is one of my favorite antagonists in Star Wars. He may’ve not gotten much to offer in this movie, but he does show more of his character in the Clone Wars series.

[@joshuana5132]

This actually isn't the reveal of Grievous. Before the movie, there were a number of short cartoons, and he was introduced in that.

[@passerinity]

So the reason Grievous coughs and why Windu calls him a coward is because Windu force crushed his chest and Grievous had to run. However, Grievous can actually copy Jedi fighting techniques and after Windu and he had their first duel, Windu refused to fight him again because he was afraid that Grievous would copy Vapaad. Vapaad was Windu’s unique fighting style which channeled his inner turmoil and kinda dark side energy into fighting for good.

[@Imperials3nate]

They completely ignored that first fact in the 3D clone wars, and just make him weaker as his base stats

[@ICantThinkOfANameB]

Side note, I absolutely LOVE the **Revenge of the Sith** novel by Matthew Stover, he adds a bunch of funny asides to what characters do and think and one of my favorites went something like this: "Obi-Wan’s ship was a hunk of glowing scrap punctuating a long smoking skid mark. Obi-Wan himself, beard rimmed with frost, lightsaber out and flaming, stood in a tightening ring of battle droids. But, he thought, at least he was out of that blasted fighter."

[@robertfaulkkner5508]

As Chancellor Palpatine once said… Do it.

[@soarimg]

Dewit*

[@lukadee-qd9cb]

Dew it

[@gumdeo]

Palpatine: Do it. Obi-Wan: Don't try it...

[@mt3776]

One “traumatised at seeing dooku decapitated by lightsaber”. The other two “huehuehue”

[@tjmoon5858]

It's implied that Sidious' pale form is his true form and he used a lot of energy to hold it, noticed he said "I can't hold it anymore I'm too weak" this implies he used most of his energy on Windu removing his disguise And as to why Anakin still having a blue lightsaber, the red sabers are gained by taking a kyber crystal and pour all their pain and hate in it making it red, this ritual is known as bleeding, red crystals/lightsabers are unnatural, Vader hasn't performed this ritual yet but does so later by defeating a surviving Jedi without a lightsaber, after killing the Jedi Vader took his lightsaber and the crystal and performed the bleeding ritual thus having his red lightsaber Hope this helps explain some things

[@sethrougen8968]

"And as to why Anakin still having a blue lightsaber, the red sabers are gained by taking a kyber crystal and pour all their pain and hate in it making it red, this ritual is known as bleeding," that's disney canon. fuck disney canon. red crystals were either rarely found as natural crystals (old republic era EU canon)... but mostly created by sith VIA sith alchemy because they lost control of places that lightsaber cystals can be found. (lucas canon) bleeding crystal stuff is unnessecerly edgy to be edgy sake.

[@Fordo007]

@@sethrougen8968 Yeah I agree, 'bleeding' seems to unnecessarily complicate things... whey cant crystals just be different colors?

[@rikk319]

@@sethrougen8968 It's fiction, and people can make up whatever the hell they want in their own head...including Disney, since they actually own the rights to it.

[@tjmoon5858]

@@sethrougen8968 yeah but I don't really have a problem with it as it doesn't destroy the story, it instead expands on the lore and story not by much but doesn't really harm it unlike somethings as of late

[@tjmoon5858]

@timmychungus-di2rk no problem 👍

[@PheonixFire]

A great detail is Vader was actually going to try and use the same flip move Obi-Wan did to Maul in episode 1. Knowing him so well, Obi-Wan knew he would, and one last time, he tried to talk him out of it. But in his arrogance, Vader didn't stop to think that not only would Obi-Wan know how to perform it, but he'd know just as well how to counter it.

[@AwesomelyRandomful64]

It's crazy how that blue skinned Jedi woman trusted the clones so much that when they raised their weapons towards her, her first thought was that she they must've seen an enemy so she turned away to look for them.

[@ravenguard047]

50:54 “Hey, so…remember that time you people put a hit out on a senator by the name of Padme Amadala?” *lightsaber slash*

[@pwnorbepwned]

Fun lore detail: Anakin was not the first Knight to be accepted onto the council. Ki-Adi Mundi (big forehead guy who gets gunned down by his troops, and “What about the droid attack on the Wookiees?” is a Master now, but was also a Knight when he made it onto the council. So not only is Anakin wrong to say it’s unprecedented, but Master Mundi was RIGHT THERE via hologram to hear him talking about how insulting that is. 🤣

[@ignisinfernal1843]

Lucas wasn't really taking the EU into consideration much at that point. As far as Lucas was concerned for his story, Anakin was the first, and it narratively just makes more sense that way.

[@kitfistosdentalplan1319]

29:00 the question of what happens if the hyperdrive ring of a Jedi starfighter is stolen is actually totally on point: there is fan speculation that the Jedi were given ships that required external hyperdrives specifically so that the rings could be destroyed to prevent Jedi from escaping order 66

[@domingocurbelomorales8635]

Qui Gonn spirit taught Obi Wan to become a force ghost, (at the end of the movie Yoda said to Obi that someone returned from the netherworld of the force). In all those years in solitude in Tatooine Obi Wan learnt it. That´s why he told Vader in episode IV: "if you strike me down, I´ll become more powerful that you can possibly imagine".

[@cesar88ml]

42:18 fun fact but it used to be lore and I think it still is that the reason they shot her so many times is cause commander bly and her were mission first kind of people so when the mission was kill her out of mercy he made sure she died quickly and still completed the mission

[@MajoraZ]

General Grievous was insanely cool in the 2003 2d Clone Wars miniseries, he was a menace there, it's a shame how he turned out in this movie. You guys should react to that scene, or ideally that whole series: It's only about as long as a movie or so all together anyways.

[@HenrythePaleoGuy]

@@Velg Well, they'd be disappointed going into the film considering how much less cool he is. Best to go back to it than have to see him get treated how he does.

[@666FallenShadow]

my issue with him is that he makes no sense as threat to a jedi, he doesn't have the force so a jedi should be able to overpower him EASILY just by using the force. he has no defence against it

[@Kreytonchild]

hahaha 30:30, you can see one battle droid tapping the other to say "hey, focus, you're going to miss this part"

[@memelord7567]

You guys gotta watch the clone wars, it makes this movie 100x sadder and it adds so much depth to everything, especially the clones, since we you get to know them as individuals, not just one faceless army

[@caras2004]

Fun Fact: The Millennium Falcon can be found at 23:51 in the regular movie It just wasn't owned by Lando or Han at the time.

[@puzzled_pelican3626]

“I will do what I must Obi Wan” Qui Gon Episode I “Only a Sith deals in absolutes… I will do what I must” Obi Wan Episode III 💔

[@richardkutsera4992]

“Only a Sith deals in absolutes…” Obi Wan Episode III "Do, or do not! There is no try..." Yoda Episode V

[@ivanelugo]

​@@richardkutsera4992 I think both sides deal in absolutes, just that Jedi doesn't notice it when they do it, it's like them on Episode I they said that anger and fear just led to the dark force but they still act with anger and had fears on the same movie

[@richardkutsera4992]

@@ivanelugo Yeah I guess so. That is why balance was needed.

[@Titanfell-d3i]

Stating an absolute isn't the same way as dealing in it. Anakin deals in it. Either you're with me or you're my enemy. No compromise, no third option. Just binary back and white view Obi-Wan makes an obseravation. Absolutist statement. Dealing in absolutes is way of Sith, they are famous for it. Obi-Wan himself isn't dealing in it, he tries to talk Anakin down, convince him to surrender, negotiate and find a compromise. He only uses lightsaber as last resort as Jedi should only when realizes Anakin is too far gone

[@Grimbear13]

Additional fun fact (from canon books): The armor Vader wears is designed to deliberately inhibit him and be painful to wear. Sideous did this to kind of collar Anniken but Vader used it to fuel his connection with the Dark Side and become even more powerful because of it.

[@TheMarioandSonicfan]

Now they need to watch the clone wars tv show I am sure they are gonna love when a certain character returns.

[@CreeceMarquis]

31:08 I remember being so dissapointed by General Grievous in the movie. I remember watching him wreck the Jedi in the 2003 Clone Wars series that was on Cartoon Network. I was holding my breath in the theater until I saw that. I figured he was probably slower and still affected by Mace Windu's force crush on his chest during the Chancellor's "kidnapping" though.

[@Briansgate]

A little perspective not many consider. Think about Anakin's life. From the age of 3, until the day he died (roughly age 46) he had to call someone Master. He was never his own person. First Watto, then Obi-wan, then Palpatine.

[@Miikasae]

to me the emotional climax of this movie will always be Obi-Wan first revealing himself to Anakin on Mustafar. at some point while Anakin and Padme are talking, with the camera focusing exclusively on them, Anakin becomes angry and starts accusing Padme. you can see though that he’s not looking at her anymore, he’s looking past her, above her. until finally, we cut to Obi-Wan standing on the ramp to Padme’s ship. it’s crushing. suffocating. and he hasn’t said a word. just brilliant.

[@nielgregory108]

Red sabers emerge when a Sith pours his hate and anger into a Kyber crystal, and it actually bleeds red. That's where the red comes from. Hate and anger.

[@en4833]

That's Disney canon. EU canon is that Sith Kyber crystals are synthetically made because the Sith lost control of all the places that have natural ones to the Jedi. It also plays into the mechanical theme of the Sith and how they manipulate the natural order of things.

[@Stan_man]

@@en4833 However not all of them ware synthetically made, i remember reading one point that Dooku's crystal was gives by Sidious, and that crystal would have belong some previous sith lord.

[@kevinbrooks9074]

Sam and Jake stood under the warm spray of the shower, steam swirling around them. Their laughter echoed off the tiles as they washed away the grime of the day. “You know,” Sam said, lathering shampoo into his hair, “I was reading this article about the history of hand jobs. It’s fascinating.” Jake chuckled, rinsing soap off his arms. “Only you would find that interesting. What did it say?” “Well,” Sam began, “it turns out that hand jobs were a common part of male bonding rituals in some cultures. It was more about camaraderie than sex.” Jake raised an eyebrow. “Really? That’s pretty wild. Imagine explaining that at a family dinner.” They both laughed, the sound blending with the noise of the water. “Hey, knowledge is power,” Sam grinned, rinsing his hair. Jake nodded, smiling. “Just another quirky piece of trivia for the books. Only you, Sam.”

[@snuggies8037]

In the end he did destroy the sith and bring balance to the universe. It came full circle in the end. He was the chosen one ❤

[@veronicavanvoorst]

This movie is great. There's a lot of room for more nuance in Anakin's fall (which other media like the Clone Wars series explore), but the dramatic fall and the disaster hits so hard every time. Plus I remember watching this movie with my grandpa. Thanks for helping me relive those memories.

[@pickleboy6059]

Fun facts on darth plegious the wise: In Deleted/changed script when chancellor is telling anakin the tragedy, he hints that anakin was the life created by midi cholrdians. Hence why he has such a high count and why there was no father. To extend it would actually make sidious the father as he was the one who preformed the experiment (plegious was his master) In episode 1. When sidious is talking to maul on the balcony in Corasunt, the room just inside is plegious chambers and it was that night that sidious murdered plegious in his sleep and became the master

[@Fordo007]

the old EU novel revealed that Plaugeuis and Sidious tried to create life and them messing with the Force caused the Force to backlash and create Anakin to counter them. So in a way they created him... but not really.

[@ignisinfernal1843]

Originally it would've actually have just been Palpatine. When Revenge of the Sith was first made, the intention was that Plagueis was just a story Palpatine made up weirdly enough. It all makes a lot more sense that he'd be the apprentice though so Lucas just went along with it later.

[@Darkdasher]

Also for addition if you hear closely to anakin when he's about to get his mask assemble, you can hear he said "PADME HELP"

[@starfilmsracing]

I didn’t know that

[@ljeans531]

For my own sanity, I have come here to explain the "Rule of 2" The sith are inherently Evil, the Dark side as a part of the force us not Evil, but for most beings it leads to evil anyway. Because the Sith are so selfish and power hungry, when they used to exist in large groups; they would back stab and war with each other constantly. This became a problem when they also attempted to war with the Jedii at the same time. So Darth Bane created the Rule of 2. So if the apprentice betrays the master, he was clearly the stronger Sith and deserving of becoming Master and finding his own apprentice

[@ljeans531]

I'm gonna list the rankings for the Jedi order so you can understand Anakin problem and why the council was very in the right to not grant him Master Rank: *Jedi Youngling/Initiate* = force sensitive being trained to control their force abilities before taking the path of Apprentice or Trade *Jedi Padawan* = Jedi in training under a singular Knight or Master *Jedi Knight* = a Padawan that has passed the trials and earned the rank of Knight. *Jedi Master* = a Jedi who has successfully trained a Padawan to _Knighthood_ *Jedi Grandmaster* = Leader of the high council and highest ranked Jedi aka Yoda at the time. Ps or fun fact, in the temple there are 4 pillars and one in the middle, the High council is the one we see in the movies, the other pillars belong to councils under the High Jedi council consisting of Jedi in their own specialties; research, training, trades, etc.

[@cacklebabygg6156]

The dark side is literally unnatural its a corruption of the normal force and will quickly corrupt you, canonically you shouldn't be able to use it for very long without turning, so Grey jedi would be impossible in real Canon

[@ignisinfernal1843]

@@ljeans531 Tbf, taking Clone Wars into consideration even though it wasn't a thing at the time does make the decision a bit more insulting since he technically trained Ahsoka to knighthood, but she just left the Order because of the council's lack of faith in her instead. It is still understandable for them to be a bit wary of him, though.

[@mikewashko]

Revenge of the Sith was made with a budge of $113 million and adjusted for inflation $178 million. The acolyte budget is $180 million. All I have to say is “How?!?!?”

[@pacmolen3746]

one is a two hour movie, the other is 8 near hour long episodes. theres at least 3x more content in length to the acolyte.

[@mikewashko]

@@pacmolen3746 Reality Check: The episodes of that shit show about 20 minutes each, and they all suck.

[@pacmolen3746]

@@mikewashko i mean, the episodes are LITERALLY much longer than 20 minutes each. youre allowed to dislike stuff spazzy boy, but the episodes are 35-45+ mins each and there is objectively 3x or more actual content in a 8 episode series than a 2 hour movie

[@pacmolen3746]

the shortest episode of the acolyte has a run time of 32 mins and change, and the longest one is 46 mins and change, try having the most basic facts iht so you dont look so dumb lmao

[@mikewashko]

@@pacmolen3746 Whatever shill. I wasn’t counting the obscenely long credits. The show is badly written, horribly acted, cannon breaking, nonsensical most disrespectful piece of Disney Trash I have ever seen. What do you expect tho with a show runner like Leslie Headcase, who has no talent for entertainment. Only able to write what she knows such as procuring women for her predator boss Harvey Weinstein.

[@jacquesmassard9226]

some cool facts i thought were fun 1)in the book, WHICH IS FIRE, Palpatine at first tries to make Anakin think Obi-wan and Padme are having a fling and Anakin gives it zero f's cause he knows the obi-wan likes Mandos and padme likes them young 2) Vader's castle is on Mustafar overlooking where obi-wan took his legs cause Palpatine made him do it and he is Super petty. 3) Palpatine moves into the Jedi Temple as his house cause he wants to have his mourning tea next to pile o younglings.

[@e34YT]

I loved the part where the Sith got Revenge on Star Wars Episode III in the famous movie "George Lucas" directed by "Hayden Christensen" and "Ewan McGregor", famous inventors of "Wars Star"

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10:05 this moment in the novelization is one of my favorite pieces of prose. It describes this moment from Dooku’s perspective