Soy Misconceptions: Setting the Record Straight - Prof. Dr. Mark Messina

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Recorded at VegMed 2016 / Aufgenommen beim VegMed 2016
© VegMed - www.vegmed.org / www.vegmed.de

[@teenaneuner3376]

I am 62 years old and , within the past year, have changed to a 'whole foods plant based diet'. I have seen a big difference in health issues I have. During this time I started to consume, for the first time, soy products. I really appreciated this lecture because I think that it gives a very detailed explanation of soy and what it's affect or non-affect it has on our bodies. I grow weary 'arguing' with people about the 'harmful' effects of it's consumption. Thank you .

[@IronManagerOfficial]

Excellent overview of the current scientific literature on soy food! Thanks for making this lecture available to the public domain!

[@mireillelefevre6092]

IronManager the only problem in my eyes is that dr mark messina is biaised... if you do some research on the internet,you will find out he is sponsored by the soy industry in the US 😣

[@harishkumarko]

Mireille Lefevre Just look at 39:33 mark of the video.

[@charlenewuerch9537]

thank you. great lecture

[@timothyray4440]

There is so much conflicting information out there about soy, with everyone claiming that they are right, that it is hard to know what is true and what is bunk. It is frustrating.

[@harishkumarko]

Timothy Ray if you are in USA or Canada it's better to avoid soy in my opinion since soy in these two countries is predominantly GMO meaning glyphosate ingestion.

[@timothyray4440]

Thank you! Yes, I am totally aware that over 90% of our soy is GMO and that glyphosates are heavily used on them. I only consume organic soy products, which are not supposed to be GMO, and I do not consume a lot of them. My big confusion, and I am not alone, is whether soy products do in fact interfere with human hormone levels or not. Some people say there is no effect, and some say it will give a guy man boobs. With so much conflicting information, it is hard to know what is true.

[@harishkumarko]

Timothy Ray I am still confused with the fermented vs unfermented soy debate. But this presentation is clearly sponsored by the soy industry. You can see the sponsors at the end of the video. So I am skeptical of the claims made in this video. Here in India we don't have GMO crops. Plus soy is not preferred by many people and even when they eat it's in less than moderate portions. So far no risks here. But a lot of products on the supermarket shelves have started using soy isolate proteins which is of concern to me.

[@hakeemshabazz3207]

Timothy Ray I side with Shaolin and Tibetan monks and everyday Asians.😄

[@SunFellow941]

NO organic soy is GMO and it is effortless to obtain.

[@colonyofcells]

In asia, unfermented soy can be eaten daily. Soybean can be cooked with vegetables. Sweetened soft tofu is a popular snack. Yuba can also be used in dishes. There are probably asians who drink soy milk every day.

[@lilaclady4591]

I put 1/2 cup of organic WestSoy unsweetened soy milk on my cooked whole grains every morning. Good way to get protein.

[@mgfatso]

Great speech! Thank you for sharing this important information!

[@elainekain]

Also - always look at who funded the study and how they can profit from the findings.

[@random-w2v]

Elaine Kain that was my very first thought... he works for a literal soy company... I ended up here due to a soy allergy so luckily I don’t need to know if it’s bad in general or not. It’s lethal for me and difficult to avoid!

[@Jeevaas.....channel]

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[@Jeevaas.....channel]

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[@manicmandownup]

@@random-w2v your statement is uninformed and incorrect.

[@MrRezillo]

@@random-w2v Everything you could possibly eat is going to be lethal to somebody.

[@annabelle7626]

Eat primarily fruit and vegetables, some simple grains (rice) small amount of protein. Drink tea and water. Avoid highly processed foods. I wouldn't eat lots of soy.

[@whocriedwolf23]

Fantastic detailed overview of soy - based on a huge amount of solid scientific research and human history evidence.

[@brystonfan]

you are an ignorant fucktard

[@soleil80]

I think I agree with you for the most part... But, You forgot to mention that all you have said only applies to organic soy. I dont beleive that you can get all these benefits on MONSANTO GMOS crap of soy. Problem is that I am not sure if there is any organic soy left in existence due to the harm of soy by MONSANTO.

[@daleg5380]

no question that organics are good. But the mainstream critics of soy included the organics. That's clearly propaganda of the dairy and meat industry coz here in our country, we use Tofu as alternate for meats.

[@josexavier1685]

GMO soy is used as food for the lifestock (cows, sheeps, pigs, etc). In the EU, if a food contains more than 2% of its weight from GMO food source, it has to be displayed on the label. This, however, doesnt apply to "live" food - animal products. If you feed a cow GMO soy all the time, theres no question more than 2% of the cow's weight is GMO. So in the end, meat eaters eat GMO, whereas vegans who consume real soy, consume no GMO... And by the way it is forbidden to sell GMO soy for human consumption in Slovakia at least, so you can be sure that every package of soy you see on the shelves is non GMO soy.

[@cosmicswirls4093]

For soy to be so controversial I would just stop eating it and I don’t have to deal with it ... alkaline electric eating is the way raw fruits and vegetables... sun water and air

[@shauntelgill9384]

YAY! im gonna go and grab a soy burger now.

[@angelawilliamson6765]

Still a bit undecided, point though to make about soya, and it's derivatives, it in so many different food sources that we consume without realising it. so maybe we are eating more than what we thought we were eating. Many people can't afford organic so will be eating genetically modified soy. I would like to know about how soya is actually processed and if this is harmful to us? Last question does the doctor have a conflict of interest in anyway? Because that would undermine the information he has presented..

[@margerygalbraith9014]

I do a lot of translations of scientific studies, so I feel I am in a relatively good position to assess the rationale of your presentation. I began listening, after reading really scary articles and hearing arguments all indicating the danger and harmful effects of soy products. After hearing your extremely logical and well substantiated exposition,covering all the controversial issues raised, I feel relieved and sufficiently convinced that my 1 spoonful of protein shake powder per day is not going to cause me any significant harm, considering all the other possible health and other risks to our lives we face from innumerable sources in our daily lives. Thank you. I have subscribed and look forward to hear more of your talks.

[@justrosy2635]

You shouldn't be comparing calcium absorption from soy to that from milk, as milk's casein causes the calcium absorption to plummet; something the dairy industry doesn't tell anyone, but knows very well.

[@vivekvivek-nn1xo]

Absolutely correct

[@Amy-fu8mm]

excellent!!!

[@bjornmormont6644]

Mark Messina, why are you citing your own studies? Also why did you not tell the public you are involved in soy business?

[@mireillelefevre6092]

Björn Mormont i have also been wondering ..esp as not a single time has he mentioned the concern related to GMOs ...soy is a huuuuge issue in this regard! I live in Indonesia where soy is consumed daily and it is a cheap protein source for most people BUT over 70% is imported from the US,ergo Mosanto soy and all its consequences. BTW here men with low sperm count are recommended not to eat any soy products (among other recommendations)... I am vegan and only buy organic soy beans ( i make my own soy milk,yoghurt and tofu) but i do not eat it daily. As always better cross check several sources rather than relying on a single one and verifying who is sponsoring him/her...

[@bjornmormont6644]

Mireille, I am also a vegan and I also consume soy like 2-3 servings a week. I am not against soy. I am sure it is safe in reasonable amounts. >only buy organic soy beans ( i make my own soy milk,yoghurt and tofu) but i do not eat it daily Good for you. Better to rely on a variety of protein sources than depend heavily on one thing.

[@elainekain]

Which leads to questions such as what soy is he involved in (commercial / organic), what does he promote, is he maintaining integrity between his words, beliefs, and finances? If I researched and believed in a product, then I would promote it as best I could; if I thought it was dangerous and still chose to make profits off it, then I have lost my personal integrity. Most of the AMA, corporations and governments are run by those of the latter mentality, crooked and greedy.

[@Jason.of.the.forest]

Damn. Pretty lame. 45 minutes wasted on potential propaganda.

[@FinleyFuns]

There is nothing wrong with citing your own research if it is peer reviewed and found to be credible. Coming straight from the source is the best thing. Yes, absolutely, if the findings are questionable and seem to be motivated by something other than finding the truth, then one shouldn’t put a lot of weight on the presenter’s conclusions. Otherwise you run into a situation where you take the advice of your furnace repair man who did his own “research.” If someone is involved in the business that is being discussed they should make a disclosure right at the beginning. If independent reviewers with nothing to gain agree with the person, then who ducking cares. Take their info with a grain of salt, but not all scientist who work in a particular industry mislead people.

[@j8aguava35]

I believe him when it comes to organic soy if someone is telling you it's bad put it to the test cause research is not accurate.

[@catalinarestificar9924]

Very nice and substantial topic. Im drinking soy milk since 1998

[@pharmasteve]

What a great advert for the soy industry that sponsors him. 39:33

[@JeansiByxan]

No different from the dairy industry funded studies.

[@imactuallyHimtho]

Alexander Jeans - Exactly. So stay away from corrupt people and their studies

[@Saludtotal48]

contrary to what Pharma Steve says...this is a scientist from Loma Linda University ....and has nothing to do with industry. I think he presented a clear cut studies....the data is clear!! All you have to do is go to Pubmed and look for the studies yourself...LIke I did...!! Latest studies confirm what he says.

[@jameshighland6769]

pharma steve - They for sure don't fund his research. The event vegmed is sponsored by the various players in the industry. It is there in all the vegmed videos. I assume vegan product manufacturers are the ones who organize these events. So duh they are the sponsors. Same with the meat and diary industry. Relax. Soy won't kill.

[@4xDiscovery]

Thank you for sharing this great presentation. So the new commercial should say "Got Soy" or what ?

[@IceDogXena]

haha, nice one

[@IceDogXena]

I'm told to avoid soy, corn, sugar, carbs, meat, farmed fish, dairy, tap water. What should I consume? Vegetables, fruits, beans and distilled water. I'm trying to lose weight and be healthy. Can someone help me.

[@DuntoiRab]

You answered your own question, just add some nuts and seeds, sprouted if possible, you don't need a lot and you're good to go. Use your imagination with herbs and spices to make really tasty mels.

[@DuntoiRab]

Oh the reply above covered B12, if you cook most meals then add enzyme supplements. It's not what you eat, it's what you absorb that's key.

[@bigbabyjesussurfing]

Maxim Iltchenko eat dog and cat and drink sewer water.....great for weight loss.

[@chrisnamaste3572]

Watch videos by Dr Greger and Brenda Davis on what to eat.

[@helenaford2617]

Please may I have the link to the notes of this talk I appreciate and also thank you for an excellent scientific presentation.

[@MsClrs]

Not buying this speech and “research”. He did not mention about GMO vs NON GMO! Avoided talking about the elephant in the room! US eats GMO and most of Asia eats NON GMO! So that could very well be the reason for soy causing cancers in the US right? Why did you not talk about that?

[@daleg5380]

It's not soy that causes cancer, it's your addiction to meat, fried foods and processed sugars! Dont blame it to soy, blame it to your addiction to junks! Im Asian, I Import soy from US, I drink a liter per day and Im a pure Vegan. I did this for 5 years already, and why im not fat? Why dont I have cancers? why am I healthy? most of us are. Simply because we cease to eat the foods that you people are craving everyday, the meats, dairies, eggs, fried stuffs, refined sugars in pasta, pizza, etc. Again, dont blame it to soy.

[@psiclops521]

I didn't see a definition of a "serving" of soy. I eat tofu several times per week and sometimes twice in a day, but how much tofu is a serving? If my wife and I have edamame before dinner, how much is a serving?

[@cheddarpuff]

Psi Clops The slide at 7:37 states one serving of soy is about 25 mg.

[@lavellnutrition]

Are you referring to GMO or Organic Soy?

[@catalinarestificar9924]

Thank you so much for sharing this information

[@christianrodriguez1720]

Still confused

[@happyeverafter3369]

BAHAHaha. At the end one of the sponsors shown is ALPRO and PROVAMEL

[@lalylaly27]

What do you mean by this?

[@lisar3944]

he oversimplifies so much of the discussion about estrogens. He has cherry picked the bits he wants to support his argument, and left out anything "inconvenient" let alone "complex", which really makes me doubt his objectivity.

[@manictiger]

I mean, you can see the sponsors at the end... So, yeah. That happened.

[@VickiTakacs.]

I think the fact that he lists pub med govt right off the bat says everything. Also if you don’t think all soy is truly gmo here you are kidding yourself. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rquckqucmK6mj9U

[@susannec659]

31:58 He had me until he started talking about high protein and phytate and blocking of mineral absorption

[@MJane194]

Cows milk is also fortified with calcium! Same process :)

[@Punkyrooster6]

People are so uncomfortable with 'yes and, but sometimes no'. They want everything to be 'either or'. Typical cognitive process about soy for consumer of health information... "Ummm it's too complicated and industry has contributed to research, therefore the assumptions I want to be true are what I'm going to default to"

[@chittychatkittycat9243]

There are several wfpb Dr's who devoted life to foods & lifestyles that heal. So, they will agree with this presentation. Esselstyn. Campbell, McDougall, barnard, etc.....

[@tinamarie6146]

watch Dr Axe video on soy....a lot easier to follow and more informative

[@flyingnunfan0798]

Right on

[@flyingnunfan0798]

Don't

[@flyingnunfan0798]

Creed

[@markh5399]

Animal models are not a predictor of human outcome effects? Why do them.

[@Rakupenda]

They can sometimes tease out human outcome effects, but they aren't always accurate. Only way to know for sure how it'll affect humans is to test on humans.

[@XiaoFeng895]

Animal studies are accurate. That mean they are sometimes correct and sometimes not correct. Many face paints and shampoos give people rashes because they do not give rashes to the rats. Not precise data for peoples.

[@kristiank1276]

Foliorum Viridium theobromine is lethal to dogs, morphine is lethal to rabbits. Penicillin is ineffective on guinneapigs. Isolation studies on primates are invalidated by not being generalisable to closest primate species, let alone humans. The data suuucks from animal studies...at this point its done because freaks get a kick out of it, and tje animal testing industry is huge and developed. The book Animal Liberation has a very interresting chapter on animal testing, its a good read ( but harrowing! )

[@Seekerofknowledges]

MARK H I stopped right there. This guy need someone to shake off his coconut tree !

[@fitawrarifitness6842]

People love conspiracies though.

[@theartificialsociety3373]

Soy products are high in protein and fat. People in general should eat a fairly low protein, low fat, high carbohydrate diet. Therefore, soy should be eaten as a smaller part of an overall diet. People think they need beans and or nuts for protein or vital nutrition which is not true. Only if ones diet is just fruit or sugars can one get into nutritional difficulties. If one eats the classic starchy staples and vegetables then that is all one needs but adding soy, beans, nuts as auxiliary items for interesting diversity is fine if it is a small part of the diet. Note, people should be very careful of any processed soy products which can have too much protein or fats. Tofu is traditionally meant to be eaten in small slices whereas people tend to eat large amounts. Tofu is served in Chinese restaurants in the US but in quantities far exceeding traditional amounts whereas the plain boiled rice and vegetables are served in quantities far smaller than traditional levels.

[@IceDogXena]

Buddy eating mostly carbs (>50%) keeps your insulin levels high and you get hungry in a few hours so you want to eat more carbs. Setting you up for diabetes. Look up keto diet, it argues against carbs. Moderate amount of whole grains is a better way to eat.

[@manictiger]

That's completely wrong. We spent millions of years eating high fat, high protein, low carb. Only in the last few thousand years have we started stockpiling large supplies of carbs, much of which HAS to be processed AND enriched, to deal with the fact that they're full of anti-nutrients.

[@dorianphilotheates3769]

To put the question of soy to rest once and for all: unless your people have been eating it for millennia, don’t eat it.

[@hakeemshabazz3207]

Why should people avoid eating soy?

[@darkangelprincess101]

You only need to avoid it if your allergic

[@mele2904]

Authentic Chinese tofu. After the 16 min mark there is reference to buying fatty meat. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHbMioCfatGBiqM . Hardly vegan, sorry fad dieters. Quality and diversity along with a non sedentary lifestyle is where the health is. The speaker may have good intention but you have to be mindful of the industry lobby he represents. Some of his claims might have merit but do your own due diligence and cross reference. You might find that you become better educated than the speaker. Just maybe.

[@christianrodriguez1720]

Dr. semi says no \

[@eCitizen1]

Good information, but hard to enjoy.

[@cosmicswirls4093]

If you have to cook it it ain’t for you!

[@MrRezillo]

Too many precious people around with nothing better to do than make a fetish out of alleged allergies: ooh! soy is bad for you! Ooh! GMO! Ooh! GLUTEN! One thing is clear about all the "gluten-free" crap on the market: someone is getting very rich off it. Jeez, get a life, folks.

[@VickiTakacs.]

Grain Brain, Wheat Belly but these books are about wheat. I know that when you stop wheat and all grains your brain fog disappears in a month and most do not even know they have it. I was remembering dialogue from old black and white movies I’d seen in the 60s. And anything grown or pushed in this country, no thank you.

[@_Jack_Miller]

I want transparency into his banking records, any LLC or umbrella companies he might have, his wife's job, or income. I see far too many conflicts in this video to believe this information. He's paid from a chemical company,

[@markh5399]

Harmfull Bulll shit.

[@hs4xace]

★★★★★