SPAD Risk 1

A Network Rail Training film about the risks of a SPAD (Signal Passed At Danger) and how to prevent them. This is Part One

[@frazermountford]

I feel like im getting a complete telling off whilst watching this and im not even in the rail industry

[@ChangesOneTim]

Yeah, the tone of this guy was somewhat irritating. Too much of him and it risked becoming a turn-off to many guys.

[@khmcc5556]

Same

[@ChoppingtonOtter]

I've only a passing interest I railways but find these videos fascinating. I don't think the public really appreciate just how much concentration is involved in driving a train.

[@GWVillager]

My enjoyment of this video is curtailed by the realisation that Paul doesn’t actually work for First Great Western

[@True_NOON]

Tbh that leaves more operators open , that havent really come to forituan other than the NCL

[@FishbedMyBeloved]

Moral of the story: If a spad occurs, the fabric of reality will be destroyed.

[@PottersVideos2]

Not really, but a lot of people might not come home at the end of that shift.

[@notaplic8158]

@@PottersVideos2 ever heard of a joke?

[@letsgamingyt1]

y e s

[@BritishRail60062]

Sadly that was the case in 1988 with the Clapham Junction train crash which involved three trains and all three drivers and many passengers were killed on that day :(.

[@darrencafferty]

They should put a banner repeater at Micheldever. would be an idea.

[@MrAlex-ej8ov]

i agree 100%

[@devstrainvlogs3200]

Yeah

[@AshBehindtheCamera]

Agreed but still hasn't happened

[@Urbanspacefox]

Especially as from what I’ve seen of footage of the station there ARE starter signals for trains approaching from the opposite direction...

[@maxwellwynne-shepherd7852]

Yes I agree. A banner repeater would definitely lower the SPAD risk.

[@TheBVE]

EEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKK that noise. RIP headphone users.

[@kinocchio]

*SPAD TRAP INTENSIFIES*

[@True_NOON]

The intro is 🔥🔥🔥🔥 🚫🧢

[@Jerram89]

I think that if you stop whilst the AWS Sundial is on some sort of flashing light warning should automatically activate and potentially also you should be interlocked out of taking power until you press the AWS acknowledge button. I know this isn't quite a great method (would drive you nuts in yards), but I can see starting against danger spads averted in many cases by some sort of automatic, positive alert. Removes the classic human risk of forgetfulness/laziness in setting the DRA.

[@sp4ghetticode]

6:32 Love this passive aggressive part

[@DiddlyDom]

Its that dude again! He's in the Class 180 Vid,is he an actor?!!

[@RWL2012]

Yeah Paul Tyreman. i love how he is so formal and professional and in First uniform in those FGW videos, and here he is in relatively casual dress and surrounded by an Apple sticker, a pair of Wharfedale passive speakers powered by a Technics amplifier, and two Sony video monitors of different vintage, what a lej haha :)

[@johnnyboy3949]

Paul. He is a legend.

[@Jerram89]

I wonder how their unions let those companies get away with making the drivers do piddly customer service tasks at every station? If you ask me most of those first few spads were greatly contributed to by company policy that essentially requires the drivers to break their concentration from driving.

[@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819]

Deloached the problem is the passenger asking the driver a questions - the passengers don't know when not to ask drivers questions.

[@milkandduckrailway323]

The passenger wants info and the driver is the closest for him to ask. The passenger does not know about spad risks.

[@fetchstixRHD]

There’s a passenger who wants to know what train (s)he needs to catch, and just arrived at the platform. The first member of staff they see is the driver looking out of their window, so they ask about where they’re going. Are you expecting that drivers shouldn’t answer any questions asked even if they know the answer and it’d make the passenger’s journey that bit more pleasant?

[@dominicmackrill5953]

Fully automatic trains like the DLR then the problem could be solved

[@milkandduckrailway323]

There is still a train captain

[@XNick291X]

ALWAYS, set the DRA at stations where the signal is at danger, there is no platform signal, or the last signal was showing a cautionary aspect and make CLEAR messages towards signallers and drivers!

[@WilliamHBaird-eq2hp]

Very informative .... Thank you!

[@Scotford_Maconochie]

Thanks for having posted that on my 21st birthday!

[@lrt614]

Should the driver have set the DRA when he left his seat

[@Jerram89]

The problem with the freight driver's spad (radio discipline) is that the "by the book" procedure is far too unwieldy. It is true that neither of the staff were using it properly, but it appears to be so long (notice the driver is actually reading a script (like that would happen!)) that it has failed to take into account the human predisposition to laziness and is simply a rule asking to be broken. It also fails one of the golden rules of radio communication: it is not concise. In my opinion the procedure requires urgent modification to allow for radio exchanges that are short, easily adhered to, easily understood and thus the safest possible.

[@Jerram89]

Jerram89 It must be said though that form-based safe-working (shown later in the example) is a good way to communicate complex, important or lengthy instructions.

[@ChangesOneTim]

Things have improved a bit since this video. Full read-back and lengthy wording can leave people tongue-tied, as well as feeling stupid in the case of conversations for routine working procedures. Radio token block scripts are a example of a fair compromise and all staff know where they stand without over-lengthy chit-chat.

[@straightpipediesel]

You're plain wrong. They're not reading off the script. They are both reading off a pre-printed form, so there's no memorization. Further, remember that all radio communication is recorded, they go back and audit the recordings. It's only the British that are lazy, go see how the US does it with track warrants.

[@Jack-Wall]

The communications example @10:30 and @12:30 seem very longwinded when compared to, for example, air track control - ground operations. Two different situations but the read back aspect seems much more efficient on the aircraft side.

[@TroyVan6654]

Exactly. Such longwinded protocols are exactly what leads to shorthands and slangs. In this connection, simplifying comms protocols actually would improve safety.

[@TroyVan6654]

An ATC-style transmission might go something like this: Signaler: Signaling Center. Driver: Signaling Center, this is train 4404 from A to B standing at signal AD0799 in advance of the signal. Requesting permission to pass the signal at danger. Signaler: 4404, [understand you're standing in advance of signal AD0799;] hold position. Conflicting move signaled. Driver: Hold position, 4404. There is no need to repeat the signal number multiple times in one message; the point is to ensure the other side got it, which can be confirmed when it is read back. The bracketed language is optional, because there's no risk of danger when you give a "hold position" instruction. It's usually dangerous to use the word "not" to reverse the meaning of a message, no matter how many times you repeat it. Better to use an alternative phrasing, like "hold position", so there's no chance of the other side inferring the opposite of what you mean if a part of the message is lost. Also "hold position" is much shorter than "you don't have authority to pass the signal at danger; don't move the train until told otherwise". Finally, the "stand by" instruction can be omitted: what else is the train gonna do sitting there but wait for you to get back to it? As to the second transmission, I would shorten "driver of train 4404" to "4404", but not much else.

[@danwoodhouse9290]

7:28 - i'll get you to shunt back when the other blokes got the road??????????? dosent even make sense

[@PottersVideos2]

+DANIEL WOODHOUSE He actually meant "move forwards", no doubt the slang term "shunt back" actually means the opposite!

[@PottersVideos2]

+phillyslasher Either way the freight train has to call the signaller for authority to pass the signal at danger as his wheels are occupying the track circuit meaning that the signal will be at danger either way.

[@CoastwayCrossings]

​@phillyslasher I agree also that what they said didn't make sense. But on your point of signal blocks, here in the UK we have a small area after the signals called a signal overlap, so that if a driver overshoots a danger signal there is a safe area where they won't collide with trains on converging lines. In this situation the front of the train is only occupying the overlap and not the track of the block after it, so trains can still be signaled over the points on the converging line.

[@lolzlolz102]

@phillyslasher The loco is only ahead of the signal either due to a loco runround/change or due to shunting. In these scenarios the route/points could have been automatically released further down line line allowing the signaller to set other/conflicting routes...this is why drivers must gain the signallers permission to start ahead of signals. The block can only be considered belonging to the train if the train had entered the block on a proceed aspect.

[@straightpipediesel]

The words are "I'll get you THE shut back when the other bloke's got the road", that is once the other train has departed, he will allow this train to continue with shunting operations.

[@robertbilling6266]

It's just occurred to me that it would be safer if the AWS were to repeat the ping if you take power with the sunflower showing. That way you'd not forget it.

[@Brandon-ev8sf]

This is not a network rail film, it's a railtrack film.

[@adammaher6601]

Sometimes if a signal cannot be seen (Because of a Bend) they use what's known as a Banner Repeater Signal

[@sebastianfrost9969]

Many Words I could normally think about, as well as learning about, especially at school Here are the contents to SPAD Risk 1 00:00 Intro 02:14 Risk 1 Platform starting signal at caution, next signal not visible 03:10 SPAD TRAP 03:35 Explanation 04:10 The Right Way 04:26 Risk 2 No platform starting signal and the next signal not visible 05:19 SPAD TRAP 05:37 Explanation 06:04 Failure to use the DRA Device, in SPAD situations Mandatory 06:35 Risk 3 Train or movement reversed, starting ahead of a signal 07:38 SPAD TRAP 08:10 Explanation, Very Serious Collision! 09:27 Verbal Authority, no authority to move the train 10:28 Explanation 11:10 The Right Way to pass a signal at danger 12:41 Conclusion 13:04 Risk 4 Starting against a signal at danger 13:42 SPAD TRAP The Signal Is Still On! 13:51 Explanation 14:38 Looking Back 15:04 Final Explanation and Outro

[@PottersVideos2]

2:30 That is how that driver got fired!

[@johnnyboy3949]

Is there any video Paul hasn't appeared in?

[@winkymick]

0:17 that spark

[@milkandduckrailway323]

Does anyone know the name of the music used at the beginning?

[@Darkmotive]

The most patronsising presentationI have seen so far ! No Fit For purpose !!

[@railwaymechanicalengineer4587]

How amusing, when you realise we used to hack up and down a four track mainline with steam hauled express trains at up to a 100mph, without even AWS. (Waterloo - Bournemouth until 1967) Indeed even with 90mph EMU'S the London-Brighton line (& others) didn't get fitted with AWS until the late 1970's. And these were some of the busiest lines in Britain !!!

[@JintySteam1]

Everyone in the class room dances to that music :P

[@PottersVideos2]

2:50 Does he receive the ready to start signal as a green flag instead of two on the bell?

[@squarewheelsorguk]

At 10:01, even when they're trying to do it correctly, it's not very good. In my view what the signaller should have said is: "Negative. Remain where you are, I will call you back after a conflicting move has taken place."

[@STBYRUD]

The radiotelephony makes me cringe, verbose and clunky, and still not poignant enough to prevent misunderstandings - they should really look for inspiration in the aviation world... (Driver of... who cares, say the train number as your callsign - 'you do not have authority to proceed' can be shortened to hold position - leave out unnecessary information to the driver (line is in use by goods service, again, who cares, he is holding position)

[@stefanogrgic6399]

They're on a duplex radio, identifying apart from the first contact is completely useless because there's nobody else on the line besides the driver and control.

[@frazermountford]

I had wondered by the tone of this video was played to those drivers who had a spad and had to be “further trained” before they were allowed back driving again

[@timbervalleyproductions]

This screams 1990s and early 2000s more than anything else.

[@darrencafferty]

@linuxbot3000 The DRA is put on when the Driver leaves the cab, eg to go get a cuppa or take a piss :)

[@drdoomspire3038]

We need a 10 hour loop of the intro

[@Quantera_Visuals]

The presenter is also on the First Great Western training programme.

[@dantebingham6043]

Yup, his name is Paul tyreman and has done plenty safety vids about the railways

[@TheArkamedBat]

In the last SPAD risk,this wouldn't happen if there was a GD. Once again, *keep the guard on the train!*

[@milkandduckrailway323]

ytp spisks

[@CycolacFan]

Use the DRA then stick a Post It note on the windscreen too. Sorted.

[@johnkelly1083]

Then stick another Post it note on the door window to remind you of the one you put on the windscreen.

[@CycolacFan]

@@johnkelly1083 then another on the screen to remind you of the one on the door… this could work.

[@johnkelly1083]

@@CycolacFan indeed!

[@idadho]

Network Rail tries to use mental discipline to resolve issues with poor signal positions and various other design weaknesses. Relying on memory rather than optimal positioning of signals should be addressed. The DRA could be improved to include an At Danger dash indicator. As soon as the At Danger is observed, the DRA would be set to At Danger. Allowing a moment of time between seeing the At Danger signal and activating the DRA creates a risk. The sunflower also appears to be poorly positioned. An aircraft would never have so many procedures that require accurate memory.

[@justaconcernedkid5630]

Is he blinking morse code? Did railtrack kidnap him to make these?

[@Un-Grand-Central]

man where so they get these bangers of theme songs

[@PottersVideos2]

13:15 This isn't a SPAD trap, this is a SPAD risk created by incompetent staff driving and dispatching the train. Both of these men should have done their jobs properly instead of the dispatcher dispatching the train against a red signal and the driver moving his train without checking the signal.

[@owenslanejunction7544]

What's the song playing in the background

[@GreatWestern-yp8mq]

Anyone know what the music at the start is?

[@QwertyScream]

GreatWestern 43125 Specially created fro this film.

[@SANTISSIMOPOOOOOL]

I always wonder how is it possible in 2013 you don't have a simple Signal Repeater in the cabin of trains in England! Take example from the SCMT we have in Italy!

[@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819]

Paolo Aaron Avantaggiato it too expensive in these days of privatisation.

[@milkandduckrailway323]

or maybe a normal banner repeater

[@blueb0g]

No, it's just a light.

[@denelson83]

Remember, it's supposed to be "ding ding, OFF and away".

[@PottersVideos2]

Not just "ding, ding, and away"!

[@denelson83]

@@PottersVideos2 That's correct.

[@Siege69m]

I'm never going on a train again. I thought all this stuff would have been automated by now, but as it turns out the equipment is the same as it was in the 1960's.

[@jacobmaynard3504]

l?

[@russellbrown7028]

+Calum MacLeod Right on, Calum. Glad there are some people out there who can see through the bullshit screen. Nowadays, its all about working out fail-safe ways to blame the driver(or other running staff) if something goes wrong, as distinct from doing the utmost to eliminate the hazard in the first place.

[@poopsonlavega]

Next time, I hope they will use the sound when the driver pass the red signal (really annoying sound)

[@Greatanotherchannel]

RailTrack that company that caused all the train crashes in the 2000s due to terrible business practices

[@PottersVideos2]

13:05 Holy shit!

[@darrencafferty]

Hey Kids, don't do Acid on the Railway lol

[@Biggles2498]

The same principle as Pilots communicating with Air Traffic Control.QED

[@DOCTORDROTT]

why don't they fit an "off" indicator at the platform, or banner .repeater, simple fix

[@jasont1177]

The dispatchers voice kind of reminds me of John Oliver

[@DaveDVideoMaker]

In SCR, if a driver passes a red signal, they will automatically brake, and stop for 20 seconds.

[@drdoomspire3038]

And in snow hill lines in Roblox

[@drdoomspire3038]

Except it’s locked for 45 seconds

[@nightw4tchman]

07:34 I'm sorry but my response as a driver would be, "Wait, what?" not ok so I can proceed.

[@rapman5363]

This was filmed in Sept,2001

[@alexuk2000]

we need a YTP of this

[@PottersVideos2]

There already is, just search for "spisks".

[@amiausUSA]

I made a short YTP on December 2016, on location at the Verkehrshaus in Lucerne, the same place with so many road signs in green, blue and white, from all over Switzerland. A DRA is shown in the video.

[@ElliottHurst]

All platforms should have a starting signal or at least a repeater

[@SprinterPlayz]

the DRA reminder sign at Micheldever is tiny

[@alfiepotasnick3744]

I think the moleman978 should watch this

[@razourlight962]

03:31 makes him look as if he's being repossessed. lol

[@OwainsTrains]

Between 0:11 and 0:22 does anyone notice the sparks coming of that train

[@alastairoxby8037]

That's very common. Especially when it is raining or snowing.

[@Drone3774]

5:24 then there should be a repeater at that station

[@isaacroebuck9514]

09.03.01 almost exactly a week before 9/11, maybe if the terrorists had saw this video they wouldn't have had passed that signal.

[@dkbmaestrorules]

09.03.01 in British date is a bit more than a week before

[@EnchantGaming2003]

That’s March 9th 2001.

[@MrAlex-ej8ov]

spad signal passing at danger

[@MrAlex-ej8ov]

woups signal passed at danger

[@MrAlex-ej8ov]

i have always loved the look of the aws sunflower

[@MrAlex-ej8ov]

no coutionary indication when leaving the station -rhymes

[@MrWhite-pn7ui]

Oh yeah?

[@PottersVideos2]

5:30 Correction: incompetent driver.

[@PottersVideos2]

13:20 Looks like a Chiltern Railways train.

[@EnchantGaming2003]

This was NSE (Network South East)

[@RWL2012]

@@EnchantGaming2003 nope this is from the early privatised days, so would have been South West Trains and Railtrack

[@RWL2012]

The 170 (which existed by then) also says "SOUTH WEST TRAINS" on it

[@PottersVideos2]

@@RWL2012 This is a Class 465 EMU. It must be a former Network SouthEast train - so most likely it was in fact operated by Connex South Eastern.

[@JB-nz7cn]

Is it just me?.. but where was that message misunderstood? I know the signaller should of used the term propel back instead of shove back bwtf? Driver error !

[@PottersVideos2]

He said "shunt back"

[@rockandroll626]

he looks like mac of csi

[@N00N01]

16:15 strathenam corner / fast up 😉

[@rithurajr5898]

Indian railway

[@umaildd7049]

5:00

[@HDTransport]

South West Trains Class 170

[@BasingstokePSB]

Micheldever. Not Micheldeever

[@PottersVideos2]

7:20 Is this driver even from the UK? How did he not understand what the signaller had told him? That said the signaller wasn't clear enough and should not have used the words he did.

[@payasovic68]

Piss poor comms!

[@russrh]

SPADTRAP

[@bobbyo7822]

"Luckless driver" = incompetent driver.

[@maz1699]

6:34

[@beaniepud]

0:10 the London underground is

[@HDTransport]

I think it means 'National Rail' and doesn't count the tube

[@PenzancePete]

Bring back the proper AWS horn instead of using that pathetic little bleep.

[@lrt614]

Should the driver have set the DRA when he left his seat

[@lrt614]

Should the driver have set the DRA when he left his seat

[@PottersVideos2]

Yes