Species 8472 is back and what are they planning?

Star Trek Voyager Season 5 In the Flash

[@RobertEskuri]

They're the only species to make the Borg flee in terror and make them regret trying to assimilate them. They're awesome 👍

[@joshuabowmans7139]

I remember the episode, where they first made contact with the Borg. Species 8472, blew them up and then they went to the planet, that Borg had assimilated and blew all of them up, while they were still on the planet's surface. They were more powerful than the Borg, Species 8472 the scorpion race. Boom baby boom!!!!!!!

[@joshuabowmans7139]

A combination of the two, the Borg and Species 8472, the scorpion race. Talk about a very powerful, super advanced armored design, alien mutant super machine!!!!!!!

[@joshuabowmans7139]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@MasterChief-sl9ro]

Bull Shit.. The Borg feared the humans. Why they never tried to invade. As the ending episode showed. Humans destroyed a Transwarp Conduit. One of only 7 in the Galaxy. Not to mention Humans free the Borg from the collective. Which become rebels for the alliance...

[@solenya200]

@@MasterChief-sl9ro clearly you havent seen the movie first contact

[@Tekrothebountyhunter]

"He may look human, sound human, and even smell human, but no doubt about it, he's alien." So...like most aliens in Star Trek?

[@EnhancedCognition]

That is due to the original progenitor race that produced thousands of species on every type of planet that are "in their image" according to the lore, which undoubtedly makes it easier to create aliens for the shows.

[@HellsRaven4444]

@@EnhancedCognition Yeah, but still, it would have been nice for Star Trek to explore more in interacting with non-humanoid species. We can have a classic insectoid hive-mind species, an avian species, a liquid slime-like species. All sorts of possibilities. Too bad TV shows really never have the budget to do all that. It's gotten better over the years with cheaper yet better VFX but these types of aliens only appear either in novels, games or high budget movies.

[@JanetStarChild]

@@HellsRaven4444 It happens a lot in the Star Trek animated series ...for obvious reasons. @ ΩMEGΔ I never liked that explanation. It has such a big hole... If all life seeded by the original anthropoid species has the potential to become humanoid, then it should have happened far more often and regularly. Earth alone should have looked like _Zootopia,_ with virtually all animal species becoming humanoid.

[@1234kalmar]

@@HellsRaven4444 Limitations of technology. Well, and of budgget. Funnily enough, today the reason would be audience stupidity. "We have to make the aliens humanlike, otherwise people won't be able to relate to them!" Not to mention the old classic "tHeY UsEd tOo mUcH CEE GEE AAI!!!"

[@JanetStarChild]

@@1234kalmar Let's be honest though, too much CGI is a terrible thing. Now, a combination of CGI with real practical effects yields the best results. Just look at the first _Jurassic Park_ movie and _Terminator 2_ for examples.

[@halwakka504]

"This'll make him rever to his original form. We have no idea what he's going to turn into and no idea how he'll react, so let's not have any precautions or security crewmembers present in case something goes horribly, horribly wrong."

[@kaijiesoo8588]

no security required that alien was dead :p

[@calvinjackson8110]

He was dead.

[@halwakka504]

Dead by earth's standards. The Federation runs into thousands of new species of beings and animal across hundreds (if not thousands) of worlds, in this case an entirely different dimension; surely they'd have protocols to prepare for the unexpected when dealing with an entirely alien corpse that has "still chemically active cells." This was as careless as approaching an unresponsive vessel without heeding General Order 12. ;)

[@OneofInfinity.]

I'd expected at least a force field to contain any armful bio pathogens, surely the Doc wouldn't want the captain to get contaminated.

[@ireallyreallyhategoogle]

He's dead.

[@fryfry377]

On the one hand, it's kind of silly, because... having as much info on Starfleet as they do, 8472 likely knows Earth doesn't have a defense against them. (Voyager being isolated and unable to communicate their intel.) However, if they are somehow unsure about a confrontation with the Federation, this speaks of the mindset of 8472: immediately retreat when you don't have a full advantage, then brainstorm and come back with different methods. Stealth, in this case.

[@GladiusTR]

In hindsight this meant that they were fully confident that the BORG were no threat (and they were right)

[@GameslordXY]

​@@GladiusTR If they thought that ,then they wouldn't try to purge the galaxy with Borg being 1st extinct species. They would just destroy 1fleet for initial self defence/testing Borg firepower, defences,strategy and inteligence+1 fleet to set an example(broadcasting the fight accross the galaxy)+1 for the road/because they can.😂

[@KuDastardly]

If it wasn't for the new secret weapon able to one-shot kill Species 8472 ships, it's possible Species 8472 probably wouldn't have established an anti-Starfleet training facility in the first place.

[@anthonyscarfe4853]

Think of it from their perspective prior to the Borg invasion. They were the only thing living in their universe. A new type of life from a completely different type of universe suddenly appears and tries to exterminate them. They stop the Borg invasion and go into the other universe in order to put an end to it once and for all. They find out that place is full of different life forms and the Borg are a collective version of them. Obviously this means that in order to remove the threat completely they should kill everything. A separate collective called Starfleet/Federation is also out to get them and actually has the means to do it efficiently with just one ship. They also notice that the two groups are enemies with each other, but are willing to set aside that in order to focus on the extermination. They call off their invasion and decide to reassess their knowledge of the other universe. First thing is to understand if this Federation is really something to worry about and if it can be removed. Next thing is to check out the local area of where they came in. While doing that they also find at least one other life form that is trying to hunt them down and seems rather good at it. That’s what’s shown of them and it seems perfectly logical.

[@josephaether377]

this species was my fav part of all of voyager... i wish they had done more with them.

[@xendordawnburst9969]

Well, the Borg seem to be making a return in Picard... why not them!

[@Tigerman1138]

Jake Sangria in the STO they refer to themselves as “Udine” or something like that.

[@Captanuki]

@@Tigerman1138 Undine

[@jayjohn9680]

How about an 8472/federation blast through of the Borg. 8472 communicates with Troi: we have adapted to all of the nanaprobes... join us in the destruction of your enemy. (Troi contacts picard)

[@dhinton1]

I don't think the writers knew WHAT to do with them. I wholeheartedly agree.

[@greencello599]

Species 8472 had a bad experience with humanoid lifeforms, thanks mostly to the Borg. After encountering Voyager, it is more than likely that they gathered their information from the Collective. However, given that their replica uniforms were still early DS9, the Borg had yet to assimilate any Federation vessels with the newer uniforms that were seen in DS9, First Contact, and Insurrection. They also didn't know that Voyager, and later confirmed the Equinox, had no way to contact Starfleet, let alone bring more Federation ships to their position. The first clashes Voyager had with Species 8472 were more akin to knee-jerk reactions. Voyager saw the bioship on the Borg cube, an away team was beamed over to investigate, and Harry Kim got hurt when the team was attacked. All very rational reactions by a being who never encountered such individuals before. It was frightened and angry, and it thought the team was an ally of the Borg. With this episode, a proper understanding was established between Voyager and Species 8472. No other ship crew can say that they entered fluidic space along with purposely going into the Q Continuum, without a Q snapping their fingers.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

they are planning on breeding with you to make 8472 human hybrid children those monsters

[@sjh3217]

It's kind of interesting that at the very same time the Dominion was trying out this tactic back home, a far greater power was doing the same thing, with exactly the same target in mind.

[@toomanyaccounts]

species 8472 was pretty xenophobic hence the training facility to monitor reactions. a number of them probably didn't take the form changing and hence were not at the facility

[@thewewguy8t88]

You bring up such an interesting point that makes me think species 8472 and the founders may have been the same race at one point as they also seem to have similar mindsets to species they don't fully understand and or can't control. Like for example humans but then again star trek treats humans like they are something that no other species or life form has been able to emulate( even the q seem to find humans fascinating) and the implication is they could become something more advanced then the Q in time.

[@njintau]

"Species 8472 is trying to infiltrate the alpha quadrant!" Meanwhile, in Star Trek Deep Space 9...

[@snakemanpete55]

Forget the 8472 let's just look at seven in that tight blue suit

[@henrybrowne7248]

I love looking at 7/9 in all her outfits.

[@christopherdean1326]

@@henrybrowne7248 I remember watching a documentary about "Voyager", and someone asked the costume designer if there was any padding in her suit. No, that's all Jeri" he replied....

[@pjc2001]

I’m just discovering Voyager now by watching reruns on the Heroes & Icons channel. The other night I watched the episode where Harry has a crush on Seven and when she asked him if he wanted to “copulate” I nearly fell out of my chair.

[@harryjohnson615]

Imagine being assimilated by 7 of 9, what a luxurious treat ❤

[@terenceflanagan1225]

Only good thing about this show

[@LessAiredvanU]

Love how the last two shots are of a Klingon and a Vulcan; "So, Earth is in danger... how sad! Never mind!"

[@GreyDoofus88]

If Species 8472 did endeavour to make a hostile incursion in the Alpha Quadrant, even the Vulcans and the Klingon Empire wouldn't stand a chance against them. Plus Torres is half human.

[@tyler7239]

Tom really missed his calling as a historian.

[@theodiggers]

This is gold

[@tyler7239]

@@theodiggers I hope you meant latinum. Because if not and considering this is Star Trek, ouch. 😂

[@theodiggers]

@@tyler7239 gold pressed ;)

[@tyler7239]

@@theodiggers SHALE! 😂 Thanks!

[@brett76544]

Figure he liked doing holodeck programs, you could say that he became an author of the day.

[@branimirantic3625]

"The question is - Why are they training to pose as human beings?" The top brass of the very advanced space ship from the elite space navy were asking themselves...

[@sebaszwarc6028]

It looks Tom is the only smart man in the ship who knows history

[@TsutomuTomutsu]

2:27 I wouldn't worry about an all-out invasion of Earth. They're just going to blow it up.

[@Galilee1964]

It blocks their view of Venus ! Where's the Kaboom?

[@brianwesley28]

True.

[@leeeastwood6368]

sinkingships offools, I had one, but it wasn't waterproof!

[@Name-ps9fx]

Blowing up the Earth to get a better view of Venus sounds more ecologically sound than destroying it merely for an intergalactic highway...

[@williamsquires3070]

Only if the have the illudium pew-38 explosive space modulator. But, wait, last we heard, Bugs Bunny stole it from Marvin the Martian. So there’s no telling where it might be these days... 🤣

[@alexandermathieson4774]

8472, the borg, founders , and many more, went from undefeatible foe to mild inconvenience

[@THX-bz8bi]

Samething with stargate the only other series i didnt see this happening was babylon 5.

[@uxiono.3026]

Our first reaction to the Borg in TNG was probably: They're scary! But they're cute compared to Species 8472

[@kylethekidable]

True, but also take into account that a part of what made species 8472 so scary is that our first look at them was a handful of small ships obliterating a ton of Borg cubes. They're scary through the transitive property of "that guy just heat the fuck out of the scary bully, he's even worse"

[@Turboy65]

A major flaw in the makeup of the Federation is revealed here: It's centered on Earth. The correct response to this shortcoming is to expand and diversify and distribute the Federation's fighting power among many planets, and also, spread the cultures and populations among many planets, to such an extent that the complete annihilation of any single planet, or several planets, is not fatal or even crippling to the Federation as a whole. And I point out that only having a single primary shipyard (Utopia Planitia, Mars) for the Federation is a major strategic misstep. The Federation should have not less than three shipyards all capable of producing all types of ships. They should be dispersed widely within the Federation's territorial space. In general, anything the Federation has ONE of, is a problem. A problem that can be addressed by creating more of them.

[@usamwhambam]

You know these Star Trek shows are just fiction, right? Sort of like that Biden is really the in charge of the president office.

[@elizabethjansen2684]

Money, likely other federation planet want benefits of members but not the costs.

[@dhinton1]

the Federation is "centered" on Earth because that was where it was founded. just like the Klingon (Kronos), the Romulan (Romulus), and the Cardassian (Cardassia Prime) Empires. I don't disagree with the logic of this argument ... but there is a practicality with having a center for each power.

[@marcziegenhain8420]

They missed a great opportunity to bring, for example, a Riker or Sisko copy into the 8472 Starfleet Command complex. Or at least let a copy say: "I've been transferred to DS9/to the Enterprise, I couldn't be prouder."

[@AhWhyIsTherePoopInYourMouth]

Species 8472 should've been the prominent villain in Voyager. Like the Dominion in DS9. Sad that they didn't expand the story.

[@Noobsaibot21]

Unless you suggest that 8472 jump out of fluidic space every so often to attack, I'd have to disagree. DS9 was pretty much set entirely within a specific region with some episodes entirely confined to the station. In contrast, Voyager was a long journey home. The only way it might have worked is if Voyager was entirely travelling through their space and their space would not be interesting enough to do that for an entire series or even more than two episodes. Probably the better Voyager episodes involved them having to traverse hostile alien 'normal' space (Kazon, Borg, Hirodgen) - regions with hostiles but also friendlies, neutrals and quiet areas. And once they were past it, they generally didn't experience much more from the residents of such areas (aside from the Borg who are everywhere of course).

[@alphanerd7221]

Sure. make Voyager suck like DS9 with the supposedly unstoppable villain that's always getting stopped.

[@radscorpion8]

@@alphanerd7221 ds9 didn't suck. You are wrong. OBJECTIVELY WRONG

[@alphanerd7221]

@@radscorpion8 Write better if you want to try to pretend to know what narrative fiction sucks. You are clearly too ignorant to have a valid opinion.

[@deandoxtator7137]

I wish the Enterprise had come into contact with Specie 8472. Or showed up in Voyager to aide in their battles against 8472.

[@jmwoods190]

Especially in the Voyager series finale- instead of having Janeway's older self doing most of the work, Janeway's present self enlist of the help of 8472 to get back to the Alpha Quardrant, perhaps even leading to a first contact between the Federation & 8472!

[@WatchThis-ek2og]

8472 should have been made into a Star Trek movie with the Voyager crew getting reassembled back together again as the only Starfleet officers who have experience fighting them and know how to close their singularities.

[@matonmongo]

"They will try to destroy earth." "A logical assumption, they did threaten to purge our galaxy of all life." ;-p

[@Noobsaibot21]

That was a bit of a dumb one from Tuvok alright :D

[@BioGoji-zm5ph]

@@Noobsaibot21 He'd been served Neelix's cooking for years at this point. His intelligence was bound to start dropping eventually.

[@Noobsaibot21]

@@BioGoji-zm5ph Tuvix lives on :P

[@michaelschaumburg589]

I always loved this show .. If Roddenberry’s family could remake this, omfg .. and don’t end it like the other, keep continuing, make other aliens we’ve never seen..

[@WatchThis-ek2og]

The problem is that Star Trek has covered all 4 quadrants of the galaxy now. The original was in the Alpha Quadrant, TNG in the Beta Quadrant, DS9 in the Gama, and Voyager in the Delta.

[@dhinton1]

One of the times that I disagreed with Kathryn ....... HOW they got their information about Starfleet HQ is important, as well as their choice in simulating Starfleet HQ. it is MOST likely that they got it from the Borg ... but a recreation to that level of detail is unsettling. MORE unsettling is the possibility that they already had visited Earth, cuz (while Voyager was in the Delta Quadrant) they'd be able to do so virtually undetected.

[@WatchThis-ek2og]

I prefer to think that 8472 went to Earth, it makes them scarier that way.

[@dhinton1]

​@@WatchThis-ek2ogabsolutely. and it is ENTIRELY possible that they did do just that.

[@jhvfgvsfgbfr]

species 8472 was so cool i miss them

[@MahsaKaerra]

What I don't get is why, having established trust at the end of this episode, Species 8472 doesn't take them back to Earth. They clearly have the means of covering the distance in a short time.

[@schizowallflower]

Janeway didn't want to use any cheats or hacks to get home. She wanted to do it the good old-fashioned way.

[@austinboylan5476]

MahsaKaerra 1. We don’t know that for sure 2. Even with established trust, it doesn’t mean they want to take a former enemy deep into their territory nor hand over their technology to do so themselves.

[@gprimr1]

There was a lot of potential with 8472 not explored. I wished they had done the storyline with Janeway siding with 8472.

[@Firthy2002]

Same here. I always wish she'd made more of an effort through Kes to try and establish a dialogue with 8472.

[@danmarsh7985]

@@schizowallflower + story telling mechanism

[@WadeWilson_]

I don't understand how they're able to lessen their mass, unless 8472 is just extremely buoyant and they just change size

[@ThunderAppeal]

Gives new meaning to the term 'morning wood'

[@marcusambrose2493]

Who would have ever guessed that my atm pin number, was a star trek episode.

[@nullburger]

Sorry, Kathy, but you're too late. The Changelings got there first.

[@TechnoMageB5]

Changelings/Dominion vs 8472...that would be an interesting sub-plot.

[@jeremybk54]

imagine what a fight between a fleet of bio ships and Jem'hadar would look like

[@aaronsalentine7876]

+Wise One1494 The Jem haber are horrible at war i would like the see the Breen fight species 8472.

[@EnforcerX71]

8472 would annihilate the Dominion.

[@FLAME4564]

perhaps Species 8472 must have been studying the founders shapeshifting ability and manage to adapt and duplicate that ability

[@gustavgnoettgen]

That's sick. And that's why it's called 'sick bay'.

[@baltsosser]

I absolutely love the 'date' this video was uploaded.

[@emizerri]

Why?

[@MrDibara]

HAH! I just noticed it! XD

[@MrDibara]

@@emizerri Look at the uploader's profile name. ;)

[@jasonsmith6508]

Doesn’t matter how bad things get, Chakotay only thinks about getting his end away! 😂😂

[@seldermer]

Species 8472 takes no responsibility and is doing a tremendous job.

[@WatchThis-ek2og]

Species 8472 has the right to defend itself.

[@epoch707]

yet they still cant cure male pattern baldness

[@LordFoxxyFoxington]

In the future no one will care about baldness. Now, if youll excuse me, im off to make myself a nice cup of tea. Earl grey, hot.

[@fingers002]

Now that thars' funny. . don't care who u are

[@koktelici]

What is there to cure?

[@chrisryan1445]

That is assuming it is a disease not simply an effect of aging. As far as I know, no Baku were bald

[@Commanderb2]

@William Hutchinson the EMH is based off the original programmer in looks and personality as seen in Deep Space 9.

[@bremCZ]

What would they have done if the species was a blue whale.

[@xorcyst420]

well at least we would know what the species that sent the cetacean probe look like.

[@watergateii3090]

Keys would have cut him up and sold it for drugs

[@leonkernan]

Build a whale tank and wait for the probe to arrive.

[@partgard1]

HARPOON THE FUCKER!

[@matthewshepherd5390]

Get spock on the case

[@ezekielbrockmann114]

Janeway : Aliens are invading the Alpha Quad. Chakotay : I have a date with destiny!

[@zcustomcarnesi]

8472 should have been in the series more.

[@lordbyron3603]

Hahaha....LOL. Did you see how Janeway jumped back like a terrified cat !

[@asdf9C]

ya, the voyager started a fight with them, and now they are just defending themselves. star fleet keeps making one fuck up after another..

[@patrickstewart4715]

"Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing" Oh doctor... lol

[@BioGoji-zm5ph]

Eddie Quist never truly died, did he? He just adopted another name and went into hiding for centuries.

[@thehellyousay]

Janeway: Voyager may be the last defense against an all out invasion of Earth. The mainly alien crew: Yeah, and...?

[@whiteknightcat]

Earth, an insignificant little lump of rock orbiting a minor star in the outer rim of the unfashionable end of the galaxy.

[@ericpode6095]

@@whiteknightcat They should be more worried about the Vogons........

[@whiteknightcat]

@@ericpode6095 Thank you for catching that!

[@vsync]

lol Chakotay... "but this doesn't mean I can't still get laid right?"

[@garlandremingtoniii4679]

Damn. Talk about being HUGE!!

[@Darrencardinal]

Captain JaneWay is awesome i would follow this woman anywhere

[@Kube_Dog]

She's terrible, why the show was not good. Second choice, the first actress bailed. She's great in Orange.

[@DIANAROSS4EVER]

+Kube Dog You're terrible

[@axelfoley1406]

Jay...that was lame af lol. You gotta do better than that...

[@weylandyutani9622]

Beylix Genivereive Bujold

[@kazmosis5326]

Nice scene. Dr on point and Captain super good.

[@williamrosen3179]

And thus the setup for much of the early STO missions was born

[@rowlandbuck2703]

He forgot to bring gizmo.

[@fjccommish]

The Newest Odd Couple - 12 of 18 was thrown out of the Borg Collective, You Can't Pronounce His Name was banished from fluidic space. Can these two mortal enemies live in the same apartment without driving each other crazy?

[@lovipoekimo176]

I was a little shocked when Janeway stepped into frame @ 1:04 with that ginormous 80s hair.

[@HorizonsleatherBlogspot2012]

90's

[@jayjohn9680]

Doctor: I must remind you that like all cellular life… species 8472 may eventually become resistant to the nano weapons. Janeway: what did you just tell me???!!! Omg???!!!! 10 episodes into the species 8472 war: Janeway: weve pushed back at them hard chakotay! Dam hard!!! We can find a new configuration against their resistance, something!! Chakotay: I don’t see any other option, we have to use the omega weapon and weve got to use that spaceal portal to get the hell out of here. To hell with the prime directive!

[@YD-uq5fi]

But this episode ended with at least a truce and even some pleasantries between UFP and Species 8472.

[@Sean_O]

Janeway's hair looks good in this episode. It does look good in season 5 in general.

[@Marguns21]

his foot is going right throught the screen XD

[@ohlawd3699]

Awesome.👍

[@bmaiceman]

BOOTHSBY........ Well you sure have a knack for the dramatic I'll give you that

[@SmithnWesson]

It only took a few seconds for that drug to penetrate through all the tissues in the body even though the heart wasn't beating. Evidently, mass was also spontaneously created from nothing as the final beast was much heavier than the original.

[@elizabethjansen2684]

Good point about mass

[@nataliamontelongo2781]

that's the fiction part in science fiction

[@ShanghaiRooster]

@@elizabethjansen2684 It might be to do with density. Species 8472 comes from fluidic space, so maybe their bodies are much less dense than a human being (which might explain why they feel so uncomfortable in that form).

[@The_Etchaleon]

the new business borg

[@davidboda1640]

Invading Steven's groin

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

Here in the West we have our own version of a Species 8472 invasion.

[@francoisona]

From Tuvok's face you could tell he was thinking 'Earth.. Earth.. always Earth how about Vulcan?'.

[@Ergzay]

Starfleet command wasn't on Vulcan.

[@anthonyflabi4854]

This is some good shit! Species 8472 was a great addition to Star Trek: Voyager.

[@dixievfd55]

They still try thirty years later. The only casualty was spacedock.

[@casperhelix]

Robert picardo and Kate Mulgrew were perfect for Star trek. They're like Frasier and Sam in Stargate! Although i don't remember Frasier having much technobabble lol

[@catcameron2495]

"We're going to need a bigger bed."

[@skynetprime82]

It would've been interesting had species 8472 went up against the dominion specifically the jem'hadar

[@HomerSimpson-gr1uj]

Star Trek. When the CGI budget is 5 dollars and they don't want to explain shit.

[@adamf.4823]

Back in 2010 or so all I did for a week was smoke weed and watch this show and I have precisely zero regrets about that.

[@lionchild999]

Today is my birthday and I'm about to do the same thing the whole month

[@gorgeous6737]

😂😂😂👏👏👏

[@adamf.4823]

@@lionchild999 A month is pushing it. Make sure you take a hike or do yoga or something.

[@slavaukraini54]

3 months

[@adamf.4823]

@skin09588 It's funny you leave this comment today because just last night I was thinking it's time for a repeat :)

[@mrpoohbearlvr]

Geez i missed these episodes, Now i have to watch them to see what the hell happened!

[@MrBimirud]

I suppose, in hindsight, it was a good thing Voyageur got lost. They singlehandedly saved earth from at least two catastrophic alien invasions.

[@marioriospinot]

Nice.

[@KILRtv]

And thus the story continues with The Undine.

[@Paul-A01]

With the weapons 8472 have at their disposal, they wouldnt need any of this to destroy earth.

[@neorenamon]

I was waiting for someone to say, "So... no pressure..."

[@pegasusted2504]

Jack O'neill was in SG lol not TNG ;~)

[@Keldaj]

that's funny......Species 8472 looks like the Chaos God "Set" from Ancient Egypt, the head shape, the long snout as a mouth and "ears" there is a kid with an extreme bacterial infection that somehow developed the same exact look.

[@Cooliron24]

There won't be no invasion, it'll be them putting a 1/2 dozen ships together and taking a sniper shot from space.

[@stephaniesunwright5650]

Janeway looks beautiful in these Video haha

[@BarbadosBeerFestival]

It’s soooooo odd that Jane and 7 of 9 didn’t like each other in real life.

[@elizabethjansen2684]

Actually that wasn't the problem, the actress playing Janeway was insulted they went the sex appeal route with 7 of 9's costumes. They did eventually get along better.

[@xadam2dudex]

A) out invasion of not just Earth but the whole alpha quadrant

[@1DerangedWarrior]

Given the Lore that has developed for Trek since this episode. Here's a question. At the end of season 3 of Picard, we see they are now scanning during transport for Borgified people & shapeshifters. HAS the Federation finally learned to up their security game enough where they now scan for ALL potential hidden entities that they know of currently. Species 8472 is a prime example, and this episode happend long before the end of Picard season 3. So we have species 8472 Further back than this we have the worm eating things that took over Admiral's and captains in TNG and then theres Picard season 3 Borg & Shapeshifters. (Im sure there is more that i cant remember) IS Starfleet security finally getting the memo that there's ALOT of wolve's in sheep's clothing.

[@spartybrearly7221]

Jeri Ryan 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@sebaszwarc6028]

Vorlons are back

[@votancamazotz9877]

Soooooo...were the Dominion and the Undine planning a attack on Earth around the sametime?

[@ib_aryayogabharata]

Votan Camazotz Dominion War already over when Voyager set.

[@skyeplaysgames6734]

Arya Yoga no it wasn't. The war was in its last year or so in this episore

[@Zeakthecat]

while i get that the federation was at war with the dominion at the time voyager was treking across the delta quaduant, however janeway left one vital flaw: they stated they would purge the galaxy of all life, so think about it, they wouldn't just put a bullseye on earth. bajor, qonos, romulus, and many other homeworlds would be effected in the beta, alpha, and gamma quaduants.

[@toomanyaccounts]

earth is the headquarters of the federation which gave the borg tech to nullify 8472.

[@Zeakthecat]

@@toomanyaccounts that was obvious

[@Mustang-bk4ns]

Lol 😂

[@tommymann69]

The borg

[@mostlymessingabout]

Earth earth earth... there's a billion other planets and races to worry about

[@DantesonofSparda85]

As stated in DS9: you attack Earth, you effectively cripple or collapse The Federation

[@kvmairforce]

Humans are arguably the most powerful race in the universe (aside from god-like entities), in such a short amount of time, look how powerful they have become.

[@quoniam426]

Problem is, Voyager and subsequently Earthlings were the only one who could come up with a weapon that would make the 8472'sdefenses worthless. Imagine being part of a superpowerful species that can chew on anything but one day, some puny race comes by and reveals to be the first ones ever to destroy one of yor ships and kill some of your species... You'd consider them as a threat to be delt with ASAP. Apparently 8472 are very coutious in their approach, they could have invaded the Federation months ago and destroyed everything, but as they didn't know if Voyager had informed them about the 8472, they take their time to study their enemy to learn how they think and more importantly how could such a simple species could have come up with a weapon effective against them.

[@Dougurasufilm]

Even though this scene was pretty cool, I can't help but feel that the idea behind this episode just brings down species 8472 completely. This seems like a Romulan or Cardassian plot if anything. Species 8472 wants to infiltrate Earth? By disguising like humans and learning our culture? That's so "meh". Give me the episode "Prey" over this one any time.

[@Turboy65]

"To defeat them, we must become them." And end up so alien, that your connection to your own species is all but lost? That's hardly a victory for ANYBODY.

[@alphanerd7221]

Romulans and Cardassinas couldn't pull this off.

[@DavidKnowles0]

It because they didn't know that Voyager was stuck in the Delta Quadrant they thought the nano probe weapon was in Starfleet/Federation hands. An any when they last encountered a Federation ship they lost dozens of vessels. They would have considered any open attack on the Federation suicided. Plus their primary goal was to discovered the secret to the Federation weapon.

[@Dougurasufilm]

@@alphanerd7221 The Federation itself could do this easily, kinda even did with the Ba'Ku, why wouldn't the Romulans and Cardassians be able to?

[@Dougurasufilm]

@@DavidKnowles0 no it's because this episode was written badly. Now Species 8472 is schemer. Unlike in Scorpion where they were a big invading species infecting other creatures so that they would eat themselves from the inside out. They were scary, they were a swarm of wasps that could take out the Borg. After this they were just "we have to try to understand their culture" dropping any sort of mystique.

[@joshuauriarte452]

TBH I hope this species is added to new star trek again.

[@Alpha1SLS]

Live and learn.

[@hawk7825]

I like species 8472

[@hamsterminator]

Why does Paris feel the need to explain how infiltration works with a 20th century example? It's not a complicated concept lol

[@mechanomics2649]

To provide precedent and supporting details for his theory. It's not a complicated concept.

[@afterburner8083]

Shapeshifting is real

[@ionmaria2888]

What episode?

[@calvinjackson8110]

The Borg and Species 8472. For me give me the omnipotent Q any day. He could hold all the Borg in his left hand and species 8472 in his right hand and fling both so far apart it would take a GOOGLEPLEX number of years for them to even be a trillion light years apart!!

[@CHEBCAEI.F]

Is this your final form?

[@pqrstzxerty1296]

They planning to take all our E10 petrol.

[@thewewguy8t88]

You know I have thought about this but what if species 8472 and the founders were the same race in kind of the same way vulcans and romulans were the same race. I mean think about it both species are shape shifters and exist in a way that's really alien to humans and other human Like races. They just evolved differently plus in there natural state they seem to be connected psychic powers to at the very least communicate with each other. That being said I could be totally have no idea what I am talking about.

[@JulioMartinez-hy2mu]

Can soneone tell me what season and episode are those where species 8472 appears? I've been looking for them in Netflix, but I can't find them. Anybody?

[@barkybarkdog63]

Play Star Trek Online to find out more!

[@jhvfgvsfgbfr]

Star trek online is not cannon its his own story

[@darrenyoung6137]

Which season and episode is this?

[@dlc1119]

"Do it." Yeah, let's not bother with having a security detail at hand.

[@PyroJohn19]

I know the senior officers are primarily human. But, Earth isn't so important that it should rank above the Alpha Quadrant. That's a bit of an insult to Vulcan.

[@toomanyaccounts]

Earth is the headquarters of the federation and starfleet.