Spider-Man: Lotus (2023) REVIEW

[@Mytesmyth]

Bro this truly was the most fan film of all time. My favorite part was when spider man lotus (2023) said “it’s lotusing time” and lotused all over the bad guys. Truly a lotus moment

[@cutieapplepie]

😂😂😂stooopppppp

[@grape91]

Exactly bro Me personally when I saw spiderman lotus. Something inside me changed a web blast if you will. You see when I saw this movie an idea came to me almost akin to the radioactive spider coming inside of Peter Parker. This idea told me the true meaning of this film you see. This not a love letter fan film to spiderman its actually a grizzly period piece on the effects of mechanical engineering in the western world and how it effects the economy's growth. You can especially see this when Peter "Patricia" Parker uses his signature "Go Go Gadget Concealed Carry" on shocker and unloads a magazine into him. Overall this movie has completely changed my life and I thank my good friend Gavin everyday for creating this brave period piece amidst an overflow of superhero movies. Incredible watch. 4/10

[@vee-bee-a]

JESUS CHRIST, enough of shitty comments similar to this!

[@abhisheks-ys7dz]

Spuuilers What about morbius cameo when he bought lotus to Spoody by lotusing through air Peak Cinema 💯💯

[@Patriarch.Chadimus]

This joke got old like 8 months ago

[@0Mitzuio]

The Green Goblin actor has been accused of grooming a minor, and the director has been accused of trying to cover it up.

[@Youcican]

Sounds like what green goblin would do

[@kntgaf]

@@Youcicanremember that one story line with norman and gwen 😭 nasty shit.

[@Johnnysmithy24]

I assure you Hollywood does way worse with all your favorite movies

[@Johnnysmithy24]

@@kntgafyuck

[@christaylor7916]

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[@crunchynatedawg3224]

For someone who claims to understand spiderman more than most, this dude Gavin wrote so many scenes that just felt so out of character for Peter.

[@ivyfilms9032]

this is becoming a common occurence that I see with a lot of the self proclaimed biggest Spider-Man fans who led a hate train on the MCU version of Spider-Man. It always came off like they cared more about the idea of Peter always continuously struggling and if he wasn't on the verge of homelessness then he wasn't really Spider-Man.

[@diegotm4365]

exactly@@ivyfilms9032

[@RealogOnlyBrodie]

@@ivyfilms9032I think they’re taking advantage of the recent appreciation for Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man and everyone’s trying to copy that when they develop Spider-Man not realizing that they need a unique blend of each version depicted as they all brought something fresh and character filled into their roles.

[@ivyfilms9032]

@@RealogOnlyBrodie It's lengthy but I'm opinionated and put thought into my response below: yeah it's clearly a sort of sequel in a way to TASM 2 which ??? I guess. that's a level of over correcting that's kind of been a pet peeve of mine for a while now. Any time a new adaptation comes out, we find ourselves going back and showing love to the previous one. The consensus for a long time was that the Garfield and Webb version of Spider-Man wasn't good and Raimi was the standard. Even Feige's lengthy notes to Sony on TASM2 that were leaked was a determining factor of them collaborating for the MCU version. the thing that I loved most about Tom Holland's Spider-Man was it's commitment to let his high school experience to just breathe and deal with things that typically relate to teenagers because we don't get that and doubling down by making it an homage to John Hughes which are the definitive coming of age high school movies. Making an adaptation your own thing and a celebration of the history really shows how much you care for the character. It's why Spiderverse works. I don't get that feeling here. It feels anti-MCU with a hubris that "I can make a better Spider-Man movie". This is a side of fandom I'm not too fond of because it's how things get so toxic.

[@RealogOnlyBrodie]

@@ivyfilms9032 I also do like that Tom’s Spider-Man doesn’t have the exaggerated confidence that Tobey and Andrew did in battle, you can feel the anxious teenager behind the mask panicking in many scenes that make him feel more like an actually highschool or even young adult. I feel like movies nowadays are scared to portray superheros that aren’t in a rut, it’s like all the directors want to place heroes in very predictable “I’m not a hero I’m a vigilante” arc but there’s no nuance to it. Spider-Man lotus gives us nothing more than Spider-Man 2, Spider-Man 3, TASM 2 or what No Way Home did. Just in a worse acting, worse directing way. It’s like the directors live in a bubble where they think “Spider-Man’s always having fun, we need to make him hurt” but in actuality that’s what they’ve been saying and doing for the past 50 years and we now live in a world where Spider-Mans always hurting in some way. People can’t say they’re special for giving Spider-Man the same traits he’s had for most of hi: comic and theatrical run.

[@beplatinum2014]

You’re right it was like a boring Soap opera to me.

[@Al-Kadesihuuuucx]

Yeah then this means you cant understand basic spiderman storyline...

[@i_speakcartinese6823]

@@Al-Kadesihuuuucxno sm story isn’t him being sad all the time

[@puffpuffpassmako]

For me, it was cause the pacing was so bad. I get we didnt get many action scenes cause of budget reasons, but they were placed awfully. We get two in the first half of the movie, and the second half is nothing but talking to the point I got REALLY bored. I'm all for Peter Parker, slower paced stuff but something needs to happen to keep the audience engaged. I was even more upset because the actor who played Harry put his soul into that performance. They even seemed to be directing him to becoming Green Goblin in the end, but it never happened. Also, Wayne's acting was terrible and the way he treated the kid was awful and cruel at points, even to MJ and Harry he was a jerk. I thought he was possessed by the black suit at times cause of how aggressive he was in some conversations

[@ShelE-ve6hb]

Yea the plot kinda repeats itself in 45 minute chunks it’s really odd

[@schizoreze]

The thing that could've salvaged this movie's plotline is if it just focused on Peter and the Kid's interaction as the basis for the entire movie. It should've just had the other parts of the movie (fight scenes, scenes with his friends, etc etc) be the flashbacks or dream sequences as he talks with the kid about who he thinks is "Spider-Man". To Peter, it's just a facade. Nothing more than a burden he has to carry on for the rest of his life. Something that gave him purpose while simultaneously ruining his life when Gwen died. But for the kid, it is something much more. Someone who he believes is a TRUE hero and someone who she should aspire to be in his last moments. Peter's conversation with the kid's mother after he walked out on him pretty much solidified this idea in my head. It's just better for me personally because not only does it focus on Peter's arc of self-actualization but also the kid's last memory before he passes on.

[@MrGlenbw]

"It feels like it's written by someone who doesn't understand him and who hates him." (Everyone stares at Zack Snyder)

[@johnoconnell5004]

Is it because of how he wrote Superman, Batman, and the other DC superheroes?

[@RedBlueSteelCosplay]

As a cosplayer another mistake the director and producers made was if there's speaking parts YOU MUST record audio v.o for that scene otherwise you're gonna get muffles because our lips are pressed up against the mask or helmet. You'll end up getting shots like this when the actor was talking but you heard his muffles its a very amateur mistake

[@crimson_gaming_8721]

People here in the comments simping over a trash movie , Gavin ain't gonna jump you so get over yourselves. 3.5/10 and that's because it actually ended.

[@Benji568]

This just goes to show that if you are so spiteful and hateful over how a professional movie studio like Marvel Studios portrayed Spider-Man in live action for the past eight years, it doesn't necessarily mean you yourself can do better. Gavin tried so hard to make a feature fan film that he arrogantly proclaimed was going to outshine actual Spidey movies just because it had a good looking suit and adapted two famous fan favourite stories, in the end it just all fell flat on its face. Warden Wayne's take on Spidey was NOT Peter Parker whatsoever. I know he was meant to be angry and depressed over Gwen’s death but the way Gavin wrote it was just awful. It wasn't showing Peter’s vulnerability, he was just acting like an asshole. The fact that this film got 100K in funding and this was the best that they could come up with, it just felt like such a waste of time. Terrible.

[@timgood8555]

the cinematography keeps you from immersing yourself into the movie, that and the other hundred things

[@RealogOnlyBrodie]

I knew there was something wrong with this movie when the terminally ill kid didn’t appear in the movie until nearly an hour in.

[@nope5657]

"Don't be holier than tho about it." Here's where I disagree. We have all the reason in the world TO be. And not just due to controversy. The very base reason behind the film in the first place is spiteful, entitled, fanboy arrogance. And ya'll gave a jumped-up 18 year old with delusions of grandeur over 100k to spew his arrogance all over your screens. Good job. 👍

[@crimson_gaming_8721]

You're review was basically mine as well. Plus the one scene where Parker is standing by Gwen's tombstone then MJ walks up crying no one is hanging out with her and partying , that was probably the worst script in the film on its own. 1)Wasn't Gwen her bff? 2) can't she see Parker is crying 🤣 Many aspects like that i had questions for , so many scenes not needed and so many scenes dragged on in flash backs. 3.5/10

[@BrosGotTheJs]

The problem with Spiderman: Lotus is that it somehow tried to be 2 films at once: 1. A happy go lucky, reminiscing chill movie with spiderman and the kid. 2. A traditional spiderman-esque (Amazing spiderman 2 style) Movie jammed pack with drama, fight scenes and so on. Spiderman: Lotus just has a lot of rough edges, I mean: A. For a 2 hour long film, it fails to captivate the viewer, this failling this fundemental rule of thumb in films would lead viewers to turn off due to boredom. B. Pacing was dragged and slow, the timing in the film is also awful, essentially there are some scenes that take wayyy too long and should have been cut down. C. The CGI was great, Spiderman doing his vigilante superhero antics in this film were on point, but because we only get 3-4 short scenes of those and they are really too far spread out, so we got this long emotional dialogue sections of the films and again, down to timing, they are just too long, even someone with a great attention span will yawn of boredom. D. Peter Parker/Spiderman as a character was somewhat of a mess, frankly for a film focused on peter parker, even peter parker barely did anything significant, some dialogue, some jokes and thats it, This leaves a void. Normally spiderman films (or films in general) would fill that void with interesting action or scenes to make up for it. Simply put, the lack of spiderman in this film left a void, it made people uninterested in Spider-man and Peter Parker all together because they are both half assed as characters. Peter Parker is the MC but he acts like a background character, Spiderman is there as more of a cameo. To me, spiderman: Lotus was a mess, for a fan film it was great, they did a lot of things right. But it all falls apart because really, the film is too boring, the pacing is too slow for viewers to maintain their attention. As an art piece, its decent. As a film, its bad.

[@yosavior4263]

Spider-Man quips we’re awful tbh

[@serketshawty9247]

They done riverdaled Spider-Man

[@yosavior4263]

I’m also so so tired of these fake reviews and fans of the film saying they were crying and let’s tears out because of the emotions of the film. The film was very dry and boring with a lot of mediocre monologues.

[@DreDay53]

There’s a bunch of people in the comments of the movie saying it’s one of the best lol 🤣

[@user-x7dc2pq7n]

It shows how these big IPs do so well in theaters. They just have to show characters people remember, and they are completely sold

[@gavo7911]

@@Curt1813 What does you being black have anything to do with this lol? This movie wasn't dark at all, just characters walking around and talking about being sad

[@grandempressvicky6387]

The people who like it are those who still think that Shadow the Hedgehog is a deep character and not an edgy angst fest with a dash of misery porn. A lot of Fandoms seem to think that characrers being miserable or tortured is the only way to make them engaging (look at the backlash to Anakin's characterisations in Attack of the Clones or Phantom Menace).

[@i_speakcartinese6823]

⁠@@Curt1813u act like sm is Batman or sum shit. The good sm films tht r out, all do what lotus does & do it better. Don’t know y sum r praising this movie as if it was groundbreaking to sm lmao😭

[@PizzaTimeGuy]

7:37 Well, Gavin edited this whole movie.... So that explains it. He should have hired a experienced editor, instead of doing everything by himself.

[@FirewoodMediaTV]

As a filmmaker myself, I agree 100%. Having an editor is a godsend and cannot recommend it enough!

[@Drifter1989]

Considering multiple people left production after the controversy came out, doubt it was an option anymore.

[@PizzaTimeGuy]

@@Drifter1989 Yhae, your right. I almost forgot that people wouldn't want to be evolved in this.

[@Needler13]

​@@Drifter1989just learned about this movie. What controversy?

[@martinaguiluz4063]

​@@Needler13Basically, a 15yo kid exposed the director and the main actor (the one that plays Peter) with DMs of them being racist. The green goblin actor was also exposed but now I hear that he was accused of abusing a minor. So, there you go.

[@f-zilla7347]

At least Return of the King’s ending is actually good

[@peterparker1683]

5:04 Zeb Wells current run in a nutshell

[@izpaks5172]

Bro love the touch of the red and blue lighting super cool dude

[@FirewoodMediaTV]

Haha! Thank you so much!!! I was hoping someone would pick up on that

[@angelzamora8041]

I was thinking the same thing the model of that Spiderman and the suit are FANTASTIC, however the real suit isnt that goodlooking, dont get me wrong its still really good but it has those wrinkles like a halloween costume would look, fix that and your golden. But the CGI swing scenes are amazing and the suit look phenomenal in that case. But the cinematography shots of the suit need some work a good amount of it too

[@grandempressvicky6387]

I thought I was the only one who felt this way. The suit almost looks too big for Peter's actor because of folds and creases around his neck. And the bumps around the top of the mask makes it look cheep. They should of used a tighter material (like spandex or spandex alternative) so it didn’t look so goofy.

[@2kx62]

The amazing spider man 2 >>>>>

[@Julv_]

The only thing I liked about this movie is the Spider-Man suit and the webswinging cgi

[@adozenfridays]

This makes me want to write better quips for Spidey

[@dauntaegreen2078]

Oh man I’m excited to see this interesting movie and review it😅 good job!

[@CharleyTGriffin]

just watched the first 5 minutes and knew already is was going to be terrible so I wanted to see what people had to say about it

[@harryfleutv666]

Tbh, my take on the movie is that it’s too much of a ‘miserable Peter Parker porn’, the pacing was a little bit off, but I do like the music and the essential theme of the story, although I do wish we had more screen time with Peter & Gwen, and more time with the kid and Spider-Man, I do agree that the tone feels manipulative and forced but I get that it was trying to convey how Peter was feeling. The VFX were great, the writing and dialogue could be off in blazes but it never bothered me too greatly. Honestly? This didn’t need to be a two hour film, and it just felt like the director just saw Peter Parker being sad in one scene and thought ‘that’s what Spider-Man is supposed to be!’ Overall I thought the film was okay at best

[@RealReverse13]

Warden sounded boring as Spider-Man

[@animationunlimited2958]

This movie had such a protentional with the big budget, it is really sad how awful it turned out to be.

[@TheCatstache]

Have you seen the fan film Spider-Man: Hunted? Curious to hear your thoughts

[@FirewoodMediaTV]

I saw your comment and checked it out! For a fan film, it’s visually immaculate and so much fun. The characterization is great and on par with the comics. If I had any qualms it’s that the lighting at night in a few shots could be a bit better (super minor nitpick but that goes to show how good this is, if that’s all I’m complaining about). Even as a standalone film, the direction is really strong and unique. Editing is fluent and very impressive at times. 50 minute long runtime is perfect. Actually ended and I wanted it to keep going lol. Acting is also really good. I’m so glad I watched it, thanks for the recommendation!!!

[@TheCatstache]

@@FirewoodMediaTV I completely agree :) wonder where the sequels going

[@jammyjake123]

The movie sucks so much because you can see they had everything they needed to make something great. They had the fx team and actors showing what was capable, but they just didn’t deliver due to poor script and direction. A decent director and cinematographer would have properly done this film justice. Is sad as this could have started a new wave of true indie movies competing and exceeding against mainstream Hollywood

[@miticaBEP07]

But this doesn’t answer the question: why is it called Lotus?

[@roshanamman2522]

The lotus flower represents getting over hard times

[@miticaBEP07]

@@roshanamman2522 thanks. I kept thinking of the lotus-eaters from the Odyssey and didn’t get it.

[@CrunkyOMan83]

agree this spider man movie is bad but not gona compare it with LOTR movies, just no comparison to them.

[@FirewoodMediaTV]

I absolutely love the LOTR movies, I was just comparing the pacing to the epilogue of Return Of The King and how it constantly feels like the movie is going to end and then it just doesn’t. Purely a comparison as to how it made me feel as a viewer. Trust me, Lotus is not even in the same conversation as LOTR.

[@Grimmsnake]

I agree with everything but the Gwen Stacy comment. I thought she looked great she has that weird side of loveing Peter.

[@ActionDouble]

If it's not Sony made. I'm not wasting my time watching it.

[@aperson4640]

The Fu Man Chu joke could have worked if it was just paced faster. In fact the whole scene would have worked better if it was lighter and faster showing the chemistry between the friends intercut with the stolen glances between Gwen and Peter.

[@FirewoodMediaTV]

I agree, an actual editor would have helped this film exponentially

[@rpond]

The movie is mainly a character study on Peter Parker

[@GayBlackMenKissing420]

It’s a poorly written and shallow character study tbh. In order to make a character study you have to fully understand the character and Gavin just doesn’t. Like how Spidey uses human meat bag shields during the Shocker fight, the scene where Peter goes on a hissy fit against MJ that is absolutely not in line with his character and is more in line with howhe acts when wearing the symbiote suit, and how Peter trauma dumps on a dying 10 year old. That is NOT in line with the character.

[@TheRealCaptainFreedom]

Make whatever excuses you want, the movie sucks.

[@Zeldamarie1482]

You can do a character study without being so damn boring. Look at joker if you wanna use a comic book character

[@armonbrown213]

@@TheRealCaptainFreedom😂💯🤦‍♂️

[@TheRealCaptainFreedom]

@@armonbrown213 These fanboys nowadays suck.

[@kirbyof590stars]

Yeah, the movie was shit. The scene with the kid that was sick and the swinging scene were the only moments of the movie I loved. The soundtrack was… 👌 Everything else was garbage.

[@captainlevi657]

What colour is your spiderman

[@kafkanitche1232]

Black

[@kafkanitche1232]

Miles is the GOAT

[@abhisheks-ys7dz]

Green

[@MoronMan]

the only scenes i got emotional in is the tim scenes

[@Invis1ble67]

Good review just subbed

[@FirewoodMediaTV]

Thank you so much!

[@diegotm4365]

I like the Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy actress

[@SX1995able]

I think the whole thing should've been cancelled after the controversy came out and just leave it in the movies that never saw the light creepypastas

[@FirewoodMediaTV]

Legally they had to release it because it was crowdfunded

[@supersauce347]

That’s not cinematography, that’s stage and lighting work

[@FirewoodMediaTV]

A cinematographer is responsible for the camera and lighting.

[@TheNiggler17]

That’s apart of cinematography

[@armonbrown213]

Best thing about the movie was the web swinging other than that boring asf

[@abhisheks-ys7dz]

Peak Cinema 💯💯💯 Raise needs people who made this movie Oscars will be home delivered to all actors and crew 🏆🏆

[@Anythingpossiblebutnotu]

Where can I watch this?

[@FirewoodMediaTV]

It’s on KZbin for free

[@Kwandaman]

Man i fell asleep halfway through the film i was soooo bored

[@mister_john]

People who think the ending for Return of The King went on too long should end themselves.

[@MarvinPowell1]

Good review. And I fully agree with you here. The movie is miserable and the controversy is being overblown by morally righteous idiots online. But yeah, the director really bit more than he can chew. As someone who once tried to make a movie myself, I guarantee you: *it's harder than it looks.*

[@user-x7dc2pq7n]

Great review!

[@Cheng-jq6fc]

its so bad..all actors are awful ..but, the guy playing as Peter is good..this was awful movie..

[@EverydayWithBobby]

I don’t get this weird acceptance that you KZbinrs exercise when it comes to bigots and child predators lmaoooo “…it’s important to give the film a chance…” nahh 😂 I’m good. Makes me think people like you are cool with that very concerning behavior..if the project was up to par. You’re the 4th KZbinr who did one of these deep dives and specified that we should “give it a chance” 😂 weird shit…

[@FirewoodMediaTV]

Separating the art from the artist is important. I already made a video going over the controversy and called out the director and lead actor on their bigotry. This film deserved a fair chance because a lot of talented (non-bigoted) cast and crew members also worked on this movie.

[@abhisheks-ys7dz]

Spuuilars What about morbius cameo when he bought lotus to Spoody by lotusing through air And the coldest line ever said to green goblin Now I have become LOTUS Spider-Man LOTUS And LOTUSED all the goblins bombs Peak Cinema 💯💯

[@EverydayWithBobby]

This isn’t funny. It wasn’t funny after like…a week after Morbius bombed lmao.

[@sourlab]

Good music bad movie 6 or at max 6.8

[@eddieenglish2994]

Best review yet!

[@khalidtaylor98]

I think you guys are expecting this movie to be like a actual spiderman movie. ITS A FAN FILM. It’s not supposed to be perfect . Me personally, I think they did great on the movie. Do y’all realize why it’s called Lotus? They sure read the comics and know what they were doing making this film. The Tone , the dialogue the characters self explanatory while paying homage to the other Spider-Man movies etc. the music, the suits, the tone of this movie make sense why..I think you guys just attack this move because of the controversy with Gavin and warden. This film is decent it’s a love letter to the Spider-Man character…y’all look for something to complain about but this movie wasn’t bad at all. So give it a rest. Geez

[@kafkanitche1232]

Imagine being this butthurt over someone’s subjective opinion, I can’t think of anything more embarrassing…

[@hmetv8619]

Well Gavin certainly thought the movie was an actual Spider-Man film, definitely with the comments he made against Jon watts

[@mol7392]

@@kafkanitche1232I don’t think he’s butthurt, he just giving his opinion on the matter. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion

[@MutantsInDisguise]

​@@mol7392😅

[@MutantsInDisguise]

Fuck comformists.

[@theartzscientist8012]

I was actually at the premiere. I know Gavin personally. He’s a super nice person who has a huge heart for Spider-Man. The film was done by someone young who tried to make a good film with a lot of controversy surrounding him. I think this review, although cruel in context, was right. I pray Gavin learns from this and forgets how cruel you all are.

[@theartzscientist8012]

I just want to add that he’s 19. You all didn’t make a film at 19. He’s a success in my book!

[@armonbrown213]

@@theartzscientist8012the director is 19? Fans y’all giving him a pass on growthh

[@FirewoodMediaTV]

This review was not made with cruel intentions. I state several times that I was rooting for the movie and wanted it to be good. I gave constructive criticism and was fair with everything. Also, if we’re playing the age game I’m only one year older than Gavin. There are countless movies on this channel made when I was around his age and even younger (with a $0 budget) and they also deserve to get criticized to all hell because a lot really don’t hold up lmao. The point is, I’m speaking from experience in a lot of these critiques. Filmmaking is an artform that heavily involves trial and error. If something doesn’t work, you handle it differently in the next project. Everything from the editing to the cinematography needs improvement and I hope that the cast and crew all learned and grew from this project in a technical/production sense.

[@theartzscientist8012]

@@FirewoodMediaTV you should have said it in this way, not the way you did it. You suck for the way the way you went about it. Gavin is literally the best person ever! My son recognized him when he was working and Gavin was more then wonderful. We visit his place of work frequently running into him and every single time he’s a wonderful role model and example of a special human being. I was so outraged with your review. At 19, Gavin did wayyyyy more then you or I have done. He’s already living his dream. He’s got more balls then anyone I know. Yes, the film needed a better writer and all but Harry were mediocre, BUT……. The fact that Gavin attempted to make a film and take on all the heat to create it, amazes me! He is a hero in my eyes and those as yourself should be slapped by Will Smith. Shame on you!

[@theartzscientist8012]

@@FirewoodMediaTV don’t let me forget, you have no experience at 20 just like Gavin. He’s done wayyyyyy more then you! You sound jealous. This isn’t Sony or Marvel.

[@kilmerzuniga8176]

Dude it’s fan film with original spider man story from the comics the cast was perfect comic accurate this was very good movie for fan film

[@user-x7dc2pq7n]

What does the fact the it’s an original comic story have to do with anything?

[@dante_0962]

No they were not.

[@fullmoon5696]

Only woke liberals like mcu spider-man this is my Spider-Man

[@rakeshchettri9956]

Well then that means I'm woke

[@SX1995able]

I lold hard. What a bizarre hill to die on