Spine VS GPI…And Black Gold Fixes!

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@richardfiske6311 2 ай бұрын

Controversial comment of the day: your 20 yard pin is useless for an open country hunting bow. 5 pin slider here, 30-70 yards. Closer-in shots might be 2" high.

@eriklarson84 2 ай бұрын

SAME EXCEPT 3-PIN 30-50

@drewolm 2 ай бұрын

Right on. Stopped using a 20 yard pin years ago, even for 3D. If you’re western hunting it just makes sense to start at 30 yards. Just like you said, anything closer than 30 and you’re just a little high.

@brianstewart8812 2 ай бұрын

@@richardfiske6311 I agree that for western hunting probably does make more sense to start at 30 but I like having my 20 still just because I tree saddle hunt whitetail and most shots are 15 to 30 yards I shoot a 2 pin slider starting at 20 and can dial out to 120 so that works for me for now until I can hunt out west then my views may change

@thenameiwantedwastaken 2 ай бұрын

Depends what and how you hunt. Australian Flood Plain Pig hunting, I leave my top pin set to 20. 90% of my shots are between 20 and 30 in that scenario

@garrettaguillard 2 ай бұрын

Agreed! Top pin 30yards. Shot my deer this year at 10yards and it only went 40yards.

@gordonneverdies 2 ай бұрын

I wish more companies made four pin sliders. I do the exact same thing. 20 30 40 50 for hunting and use the slider for anything further 3D wise.

@brettwelch8368 2 ай бұрын

i want black gold to do metal or easy to swap sight tapes like HHA, boonie, or axxcel sights.

@mjc_208 2 ай бұрын

I agree with some other comments on here about having .010 or .015 pin size options. My Spot Hogg has .019. With astigmatism in my dominant eye, pins show up as a bad glare/halo in lower light for me and it’s hard to tell exactly where the pin is in the halo. I’m wondering if a smaller pin might help that out a bit. But great video guys!

@Blindvanish 2 ай бұрын

it absolutely does, I have astigmatism myself and I grabbed a sight with .010 pins and it did help I'd say the starburst I see is about a third to half smaller

@mikenutto396 2 ай бұрын

You can get the pins changed spot hogg has .10 pins they are changeable.

@gordonneverdies 2 ай бұрын

You're right about the Black Gold pins. I just took a look at all my setups and Black Gold is the brightest.

@Orr_s 2 ай бұрын

Andy and Evan are triple OG’s and hilarious to boot

@westernwanderer977 2 ай бұрын

Love my B/G sight…Great customer service! Would love to see a 0.015 pin offering.

@allenosborne1201 2 ай бұрын

FYI, Don’t let Dan be the camera man again, still feeling nauseous with his camera work and his extreme closeups of MFJJ’s beard!!! 😜🤣😜

@EricElmendorf 2 ай бұрын

Had BG custom made from local shop ascent verdict assault with 4 pin .19 .19.19 .10 20 30 40 50 yards all green with dual indicator for 20 and 50 pins with white housing awesome sight and super bright with no added light kit

@jgsnipe1 2 ай бұрын

Hey thanks for answering my question about 5GPI more in depth! Definitely cleared up a lot of information that gets tossed around.

@ElkShape 2 ай бұрын

Happy to help!

@bobnijaman23 2 ай бұрын

I run a 396 grain setup for whitetail out of my 29:5 62 pound Mathew’s nocam the spines a 350 black eagle carnivore I believe it’s a 7.8 gpi with the factory insert and a 100grain broad head I get good pass thru but after 65 yards I’m starting to have a wider group I think I need to go to a 300 spine in the same shaft for my longer range shooting but I only shoot that far for fun

@Cparchery... 2 ай бұрын

All of my black gold rattle over time from the rail i would love a different rail set up

@juanrodriguez-mu7ko 2 ай бұрын

have a black gold. Thanks Dan and MFJJ for guiding me towards black gold!

@dp5430 2 ай бұрын

Black gold I love the sights just the way they are. KISS. Don’t use the slider in the locked position and not a big deal if it takes an extra 30 seconds to adjust the ring. Love the content guys thanks!

@motoxron1 2 ай бұрын

Black Gold get a beefier up / down dial thats a little farther out past the left/right knob for us Mathews guys please! And a 3 pin vertical micro adjust

@charleslefebvre5515 2 ай бұрын

They have a 3 pin micro adjust...

@chasecampbell7840 2 ай бұрын

Hey Dan. A few months ago you made a video on how after TAC you were in a slump until you realized you had a soft anchor point. I am dealing with the same thing and I tried searching in your videos but I’ve never seen something where you directly talk about proper anchoring. Is that something you could do? Maybe talk about how when you recognized your draw length needed extending it helped? Just a thought. Thank you.

@Staavi 2 ай бұрын

More 4 pin sliders would be great. I"m shooting a 5 pin Landslyde and keep debating on trying to pull one of the pins out. I think being overspined with a modern compound bow is basically negligible. Yes, at longer distances, you might not see as tight of a group as an optimally spined arrow, but I don't think the majority of people are good enough shots for it to really matter. If you shoot a quality arrow, with a reasonable fixed blade or mechanical broadhead, your bow is tuned, and you're consistent, I think you should be able to get that setup to group within hunting distances.

@andrecancilla4901 2 ай бұрын

If being too stiff mattered the best 3D archers wouldn’t be shooting a .100 spine gold tip triple X.

@blm148 2 ай бұрын

That comment about dangerous game in Australia was savage.

@Graygoatoutdoors111 2 ай бұрын

I absolutely love all of my black gold sites. They need to do something about their indicator needles. You can’t get enough travel out of them without bending them. I probably have 20 more yards at least 10, but I can’t because I would bend my indicator needle.

@charleslefebvre5515 2 ай бұрын

I agree about those 2 issues BG needs to look at. The ring can be a pain to properly adjust. They do need to change how the wheel works. I think they need to move away from the polymer they're using and go to full aluminum for the mechanism.

@glenkleinsasser9865 2 ай бұрын

Hey something that I would love to see on black gold sights is a BIGGER nob. I have big hands and it's very hard to move with sweaty hands. It's the reason I switched to a hha and a longer sight tape slot. Plese. Thanks. Love you channel.

@drewolm 2 ай бұрын

MBG makes 3 and 5 pin Ascent Verdicts for S&S Archery that comes standard with the Bridgelock dovetail. 5 pins are green .19, green .19, yellow .19c green .10, green .10. Awesome sights.

@HanzAndFranzTV 2 ай бұрын

Maybe 3D print or CNC jigs specific to each sight for the hamskea 3rd axis level

@millersmonstrosity3419 2 ай бұрын

I bought a 4 pin landslyde right off eBay. They are out there. Great setup

@bnelsonmedia 2 ай бұрын

I thought the 5 grains per pound was so you don’t essentially dry fire the bow by having not enough weight of the arrow?

@clintonmoore1070 2 ай бұрын

5gpp came from ibo/asa competition because you had people shooting 90# bows with 400 grain arrows to get the flattest trajectory.

@bnelsonmedia 2 ай бұрын

@@clintonmoore1070 sure, but there has to be some minimum arrow weight for the sake of safety. 1gpp (obviously on the extreme side) would basically dry fire and blow up the bow. Manufacturers don’t give a damn if you have bad arrow flight, the care that you don’t blow up your bow by shooting too light of an arrow and then trying to get a warranty claim for it

@clintonmoore1070 2 ай бұрын

@@bnelsonmedia every manual on the market states the warranty is limited to manufacturing defects and doesn't cover dry fires or defects from aftermarket strings/cables. The only company I know of that covers dry fires is mathews, and that's only once. I've seen a crossbow shoot a bolt that the insert had pulled out a shot before, essentially shooting a 300gr bolt with a 165# draw weight. It derailed the string and shot fine after words. Speaking of that, the excalibur rev x is 325# draw weight shooting a 250gr bolt (+100gr fp). That is a 1.07gpp setup, so... maybe it's fine?

@bnelsonmedia 2 ай бұрын

@@clintonmoore1070 the manuals also state if you shoot less than 5gpp, your warranty is void, since they consider that basically dry firing the bow. I know nothing about crossbows, nor is what Dan and Josh were talking about related to crossbows. So maybe they have different guidelines from the manufacturers.

@kimwood5456 2 ай бұрын

You two always put out good content

@ny-co3039 2 ай бұрын

Is there no way to go direct mount with mathews? It appears to have a couple tapped holes for bolts

@Hubble-M 2 ай бұрын

12:16 josh out here just low key saying stiff and long is the advantage

@zaynemikita6897 2 ай бұрын

Scheels special does offer a Black Gold 4 pin.

@Cparchery... 2 ай бұрын

I need that stand for the press and drawboard

@salemgrimmgaming1761 2 ай бұрын

Single pin is better than a wad of 3-5 pins. Taped 20 to 75, since 76 yard pin and farther drop the sights to close to the arrow. Often dial the sight to 30 yards when i am going to be in the woods or 60 yards in open fields, but not in tree stand on the tree line. Woodland range is within 20 yards to 40 yards before too many trees and brush come between the deer and me. Open field more times I am going to be hundred or yards out, stalking within 60 yards of a herd or wherever I set up, ground blind, natural blind or just simply sitting on a folding chair, deer will come in from 100 to 60 before getting sus pf their surrounding. I got within 15 yards of deer by stalking, but usually around 30-40 yards they catch something that make them uneasy. Often paper tuning and walk back tuning where you adjusting quite a bit will indictate arrow too stiff or too weak. The chart provided by manufactures are great reference point. But you got to shoot the arrows. Tearing left on a right hand bow after adjusting rest a few increment for left hand tear, too weak of spine. Tearing right after a few increments of correction for right hand tear, too stiff. To adjust arrow dynamic spine, add or reduce weight. Or cut fractions of an inch on both ends of the arrow to stiffen it.

@ClaytonCowboy509 2 ай бұрын

3 pin vertical for the win

@b.unorthodox 2 ай бұрын

Good video. When are you guys gonna do a video on the Axcel Drive?

@paulheberling2750 2 ай бұрын

21:24 cha ching!!!! 🤘🤘🤘🤘

@LancePostma-ry9mc 2 ай бұрын

This discussion on spine v grains per inch is no different now than 20 or 30 years ago... the bow manufacturers stipulated a 5gr per lb draw weight to insure people weren't causing damage to the bow limbs/cams/strings, and was not about potential damage to the arrow. It has always been about getting the right spine for the draw weight/arrow length/point weight so that the arrow could properly fly out of the bow when considering arrow flight. Similar to high FOC and heavy arrows often suggested by click-baiters online, arrow weight has little to do with pass-through shots. The fad of heavy arrows with single bevel heads and high FOC comes from more and more people taking bad shots and trying to compensate for their lack of patience, poor technique, etc. In Texas back in 2014, several of us archery shop owners sat with Mike E, Joe J, Don D and we discussed the sight stripping issue, bad rest cord clamps, and a great quiver... I agree it has been way too long past that discussion with no change on the sight issue. This year I had my first personal failure, during an elk hunt, and it cost me a mature 6x6 elk at 42 yards.

@jonesboyshunting8673 2 ай бұрын

Well thanks Dan and MFJJ for confirming my next sight. Lol also ordered me some micro Hades from MFJJ and they shoot like darts on my set up. Can't wait to put one through a big ole whitetail. Keep up the great work.

@CNJ91 2 ай бұрын

Is Josh ever going to release his new draw board?

@papaschuette 2 ай бұрын

Wassup Brothers. I'm torn between Black Gold's Whitetail or their Accent Verdict, and a Spot Hogg Boonie for my next sight. Haven't decided which one yet.

@RaulBravo-kw6ni 2 ай бұрын

Hey Dan & MFJJ. S&S archery has a black gold sight made specifically with features they think are good the sight is called S&S BACKCOUNTRY PRO HUNTER $359. Comes with dove tail and side mount 5pin or 3pin slider bottom pins .10 upper .19 colors are green yellow green 3pin and 5pin green green yellow green green. Also where can I buy that press setup you guys have? I’m very interested in one.

@cameronprior6190 2 ай бұрын

Was he shutting on Chris when he said Australia or just that Australians tend to go on the heavier side when it comes to arrows

@Vondoobie 2 ай бұрын

Anyways thought the 5gpi/" was to avoid dry fire type effects

@sarcazmo 2 ай бұрын

Black gold plz make a 3 pin vert 19, 15, 10 pin sizes

@zaynemikita6897 2 ай бұрын

I run 25 40 and 50. 50 is my slider pin

@johndolan7261 2 ай бұрын

Please tell Black Gold to make a .010 PIN OPTION PLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!

@jcunningham2rcr 2 ай бұрын

They do

@shanestout3543 2 ай бұрын

Remeber not ALL SPINES are created equal.... i have Black Eagle zombie slayers 300 and Vicotry VForce 300, both cut to same length.. both react differently.. for similar flight, i can run 75gn more on the Victories with NO problem... PLUS i like the fact they come WITH spine alignment marks form the FACTORY.....