Spiral: From the Book of Saw (2021) KILL COUNT

[@DeadMeat]

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[@ihaveanewchannelnow.9880]

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[@LogandevRBLX]

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[@samhunsaker6757]

Jimmyyyy

[@ragnorokgames9386]

First

[@ionut7799]

That egg guy seems preety cool

[@logans.7932]

I’ll give this movie one thing- the reasoning behind the traps & why people are in them are actually pretty good. In half the later Saw movies it’s like “you’re a smoker? Death.”

[@isaacso9570]

You use antidepressants for your depression? Death.

[@ssharkbait]

You’re a victim of spousal abuse? Death.

[@reddeath5791]

You accidentally stepped on an ant? Death.

[@leandroteixeira33]

VI: "Smoker working for a corrupt company? DEATH" VII: "Married to someone who lied to you ? DEATH" Jigsaw: "Did irresponsible things as a teenager? DEATH"

[@KumaoftheForest]

You put the milk in the bowl before the cereal: Death, now you will drown in milk

[@vetortheplaguewerewolf]

This is why I love Dead Meat. Even though he didn't like the movie, He still talked about how much effort the crew put into it and he's respectful of other peoples opinions. I hate certain movie reviewers that either take it too seriously, hate on people that disagree with them, or just overexaggerate things. I know that Dead Meat isn't really a movie review, but he has some elements of being a reviewer.

[@urgae9125]

James has made jokes about being a movie reviewer, so technically he is. He just focuses on the bodies dropping. It's why he craps on Thankskilling instead of just going "here's the dead bodies, bye."

[@VeteranGamerVault]

His opinions on Jason Takes Manhatton is great haha “This movie suuuuuucks”

[@acrobat441]

I did love how he had finger traps too

[@baileypeters860]

i love how even if he hates the film like thankskilling he still gives it a 15 minute video of tge kills and behind of the scenes gotta love his effort

[@bobjoe2955]

I agree. There are those who write the movies, and those who make the movies. I thought the plot was terrible, but the behind the scenes stuff was great.

[@cherryblossom00000]

I love that Chris Rock just said "hey im a big fan of Saw and i wanna be in one, and i have this really cool idea" and Lionsgate just went "yes of course anything, youre Chris Rock"

[@MemecastGuy]

You’re

[@wtfzealous]

@@MemecastGuy grammar nazi = bum

[@klusterfuk3688]

@@MemecastGuy looks like we got ourselves a grammar Nazi

[@cherryblossom00000]

@@MemecastGuy thanks pal, what ever would i have done without you

[@Jamie-qq5lt]

Shame that "cool idea" ended up being complete shit

[@Radioactive_Skittles]

I love that final kill cause doesn’t just resemble a puppet, it’s literally pulling the strings and manipulating his movements. The way the movie makes you think that zeke is going to be framed as the crazy guy with a gun and turning it around is so cool

[@pandadude6912]

The tongue trap is literally unwinnable, there's so many veins and muscles in the tongue you'd bleed out before you even made it to the end of that tunnel

[@foulXD]

@R G non surviveable traps are boring af, dude.

[@farukss3836]

@R G me

[@applesas942]

Since it's not John Kramer, the traps are bound to be unfair since he doesn't share his rhetoric

[@kalebkennedy327]

@R G Alot of Saw fans actually

[@nataliealphonse4634]

@@foulXD tbf literally all the traps in this movie are boring af. The only interesting thing was the finger one and in that the water fills up too fast for you to have any chance. You can tell traps we're an afterthought in this one

[@RandomBubble]

I love how other movie reviewers talk about the actors mostly, but James goes into the music, directors, actors, and even behind the scenes. He works so hard for his KZbin videos and it shows. Thank you.

[@LetsTaIk]

Along with his editors

[@NerdSquared]

Hard agree on this. It's what got me hooked on his channel, especially when he did kill counts on the Final Destination films

[@RandomBubble]

@@NerdSquared I found myself, more than once, binging his videos so much that I’d rewatch videos up to 3 times by accident. I was sad when I exhausted all of his videos, so I stopped watching for a minute. Every time I come back, I am satisfied 10x because he is just so amazing. I’m glad more people agree with this statement.

[@NguyenPham-bl6qm]

@@RandomBubble The behind the scenes are just awesome. Favorite of mine is Dawn of the Dead.

[@rasmustagu]

Exactly

[@andrewraflah7213]

I can’t watch a movie with Chris Rock without think about the zebra from Madagascar, it was my childhood

[@rasaziel3047]

Literally can’t take his voice seriously

[@urgonnahaveabadtime]

Same thing for me except osmosis Jones

[@g3m1n1plays2]

@@urgonnahaveabadtime omg I love osmosis jones

[@Karma-pq9fi]

I think of everybody hates Chris.

[@aznlee2817]

Or Kurt from Grown Ups.

[@Arthus850]

When he said “John Kramer didn’t target cops” he meant he didn’t target cops specifically, as in he didn’t go after the police force, or any collective group for that matter. He targeted individuals based on their actions, whether they be cops or not. The new Spiral Killer specifically targeting the police force does not fit Kramer’s MO, nor any of his disciples.

[@victorweiss2833]

Didn't john Kramer in saw 2 specifically go after a group of people that where all framed by 1 cop? And also in at least the first 3 he goes after almost every cop or detective that tries to arrest him. I know it's not a specific police force or anything and it doesn't fit perfectly but I'm just saying it might be a nitpick at a nitpick of a dumb line.

[@QuiteSincere]

@@victorweiss2833 They JUST said he didn't EXCLUSIVELY target cops. He didn't EXCLUDE cops, he just didn't make a literal pig-cop puppet and exclusively kill cops, it's not that complicated. Also it's worth remembering these aren't random civillians AND it's been a long time since Saw VII, everyone presumably knows that Kramer specifically died in Saw III and there were accomplices with different motives. Imo the biggest flaw with this Saw besides length is the twist being telegraphed. It would have been nice to have never actually seen a kill, only follow Chris Rock's character as he tries to piece it together from the results and giving us flashbacks to them, that way it's perfectly reasonable both to show us the Rookie dying AND him to be wrong, especially when it decides to emphasis how much he's losing it after the Rookie dies. I think this could have been the best Saw since the second if it'd gotten another draft or two.

[@designertonio5801]

i laughed everytime i heard ( i want to play a game ), sounds like some fat white kid. definitely couldn't take the saw killer serious this movie

[@longliverocknroll5]

Yeah, at least this serial killer had a halfway decent motive as opposed to "this dude smoked his whole life" and "this grieving mother is handling the death of her child the way I want her to".

[@mike48931]

@victorweiss2833 the only police officer that John targeted for being a dirty cop was Mathews. Other cops that were targeted were targeted because they were either convenient and fit John’s ideological requirements or in Hoffman’s case he simply needed to get rid of them. Every cop that was targeted except Mathew’s was due to things that didn’t necessarily involve their profession. You could argue Kerry and Riggs, but ultimately it was more about their obsession than their choice of career.

[@My_cats_name_is_Meophine]

I did not expect James will sing "The Ultimate Showdown" for next kill count trailer Yesterday we got a reanimated version

[@axelnilsson5124]

Excepted zoran to talk like a wwe judge

[@sjahbw]

Lallalalalala

[@timvroege1136]

Wait... an animated version? Where? I have to see this!

[@skeven0]

@@timvroege1136 ultimate showdown colab 15year aniversiry

[@Jade-ki8un]

Love unexpected Lemon Demon

[@f0-f09]

My favorite thing about Spiral was when the official Twitter account got hacked and an image was posted with a buff Jigsaw with a thong posing on his tricycle

[@ropeneck6395]

Really⁉️😂

[@katkay9923]

That makes everything wrong w this movie 103% worth it

[@marmelade8331]

I've read it was a marketing campaign but that was amazing yeah

[@f0-f09]

@@marmelade8331 then i would say it was a pretty hilarious and clever campaign

[@somebodyfamiliar6476]

You are blessed with 420. Congrats.

[@dmitryboardman9762]

I understand the impulse to show the gory results of a trap killing someone, but the scenario of surviving a trap that's not guaranteed to kill someone feels a little underused. We have Amanda in the Reverse Bear Trap (EDIT: forgot she had to kill someone, oops), then two characters beating unsurvivable traps (Strahm and Hoffman), but almost every Jigsaw survivor was paired with other people who had to die in their trap. I think the reason people saw the the first film as more sophisticated was that it had scary scenarios without feeling compelled to show the worst outcomes of every single one, and a character being a survivor of their Jigsaw experience automatically makes them more interesting in the plot going forward.

[@likedvidsz]

I see you everywhere man. Where am I going to see you next thicc pawg teen twerk videos

[@somethingclever8916]

No one surviving the traps really took something from this film

[@LunaBeth97]

While I do agree with you, I honestly think that the point of the traps in this film were to appear to be survivable but actually is completely impossible to survive. John Kramer's motive was to make people realise the value of living whereas this guy just wants to punish dirty cops. If they survive, how would it change anything in a positive way other than putting a huge target on the guys back? As an example of the perceived survival in these traps, the finger pulling one is impossible to survive as the person was complying with the task completely but a short break caused him to be electrocuted which I think would have happened either way. I do agree with you in that the fact that there are several survivors of jigsaws traps makes each trap more valuable as we don't know how it's going to go but this film is more like if John died and Amanda completely took over as she had conflicting motives. Sorry that this is off topic but I don't have anyone irl to share my theories with😂

[@acbwest]

@@LunaBeth97 i agree 100% with your comparison to Amanda. These traps can seem either ameteurish or rigged against the victims because they’re dirty cops. I’d like to see someone survive in the next one though!

[@SomniaCE]

The Saw movies are a victim of caring more about the gore and creating the absurdly over the top nonsense lore that people gravitated to in the first couple films. Its a shame thay we'll likely never see a more grounded and believable Saw style of story.

[@ironikz4006]

Banks death was probably the most disturbing death in the movie. Getting the blood drained out of him for hours, "set free", and then reset into the trap as he begs for help until shot while his son has to watch. Other deaths were messed up but his was the worst

[@TellItAnimated]

Nice! I wasn’t a huge fan of Spiral, without John Kramer’s presence it felt very little like a SAW film

[@ImaginePayingTaxes]

Yea lol

[@mr.minioncat2187]

I liked spiral from the book of saw bc it had Samuel l Jackson lol!

[@XBeastModeXEPIC]

Tf

[@kyrohowe3156]

@@mr.minioncat2187 I like Samuel Jackson too

[@Lareni]

Disagree. This felt exactly like a Saw movie to me.

[@SugarSloth]

I really, really dig James' honesty. The way he explained his feelings on the movie was nothing short of well thought out and 100% real.

[@quattrobajeena135]

What stop wearing your blinders; the man literally said he didn’t like the movie but was paid to promote it. Now that the moneys over he doesn’t like the film lol

[@quattrobajeena135]

@@dream_killer-cc3vr glad you see it for how it is

[@kalebkennedy327]

Ehh as much as I watched James since Year 1DM, he def changed his motives/approach. I understand its his job, so paid promotions make sense, but how he's approached certain movies within the past half year has been lacklustered. Train to Busan really upset me because he really only cared about behind the scenes, he put crazy work into Zombie Land 2 and tried so hard to count kills, On Busan he just goes "I dont see them die on screen". It was a train filled with people, and 1 zombie, but then it becomes a full train of zombos....We all know they died. He built his channel off counting kills, everything amazing like bts and bloopers were always extra. I understand things change, but I definitely think a focus on "Kill Counts" should be the....Kill Count.

[@tiffa808]

And let's all acknowledge the fact that he was still happier than he was did Thankskilling 3! He should never be that sad again.

[@designertonio5801]

all i did was laugh everytime i heard ( i want to play a game ) it sound like some fat kid behind a mic tryna threat someone

[@Kirby950]

I appreciate your parody of “Ultimate Showdown” for Freddy vs Jason Edit: 22:51 is the timestamp where it starts, but please watch the entire video first, y’all know how hard James works on these.

[@Thechaosmaster1997]

So do I. I really want a full cover for this released.

[@afflicks]

I do aswell

[@graymyers]

Ultimate Showdown is a classic that’s still insanely good

[@AtomicRaptR]

Wanting it on Amazon music

[@tentakrool7032]

Yeah it was nice.

[@sorenfirestar2657]

Honestly I actually really enjoyed spiral honestly, I think rock's humor falling flat kind of helps the character feel more like that cop who's trying to be likable but fails. I also found the style to be intense and fun

[@wad316]

Chris Rock falls flat in some scenes, but he feels authentic thanks to his enthusiasm for the franchise. I loved the film, the lack of shaky cam, and the shots. Look forward to the sequel

[@nataliealphonse4634]

I just really hope they go back to the trap plot/cop plot set up, as much as this can be a fun movie I don't watch a Saw film for drama. GUVE ME THAT INDUSTRIAL MURDER BABY

[@marteenee88]

He's trying too hard to show he's funny in what should be dark humour or melo drama

[@K.B.P.]

@@marteenee88 his funny is the same as if one was to go to the bar and sit next to the newly drunk divorcee who now hates women..

[@marteenee88]

@@K.B.P. haha 😂 true same for Dave Chappelle

[@jeremiah7244]

@@marteenee88 Dave chappelle is hilarious.

[@twinpeaksreference3981]

"Today it is you who will be railroaded" "The tide of justice is rising around you" "Your career was shattered like glass" Spiral might have changed a lot, but at least it kept the ridiculous metaphors of the originals.

[@eddieolshefski6467]

Well, the copycat wanted to do what Jigsaw originally intended to do. Except he targeted corrupt cops.

[@literallygod2830]

today it is you who will be railed

[@mr.randomperson9900]

@@literallygod2830 lol

[@mr.randomperson9900]

@Mia - Sᴇx Cʜᴀɴɴᴇʟ 18+🅥 nice bot

[@TheStorytellerWolf]

I appreciate that even though you didn’t like the movie as much, you showed all the effort the crew put into producing it.

[@fishymcfishface9573]

Agreed

[@original_demonic]

Just because you don’t like a movie doesn’t mean you can just dismiss everything that other people have made. You show this perfectly. Like how I’m not a fan of natural disaster movies, I can still realise if something is still good even if I don’t personally like it. I’m glad you highlight this :).

[@jevilcore]

I think the “Jigsaw didn’t target cops” line meant that he didn’t SPECIFICALLY target cops- his targets were anybody who did wrong in his eyes, it just so happened that a lot of people who did wrong were dirty cops, in contrast to this killer who is only killing cops.

[@ItsButterBean1020]

This He killed cops but it wasn’t the bread and butter for him and the vast majority weren’t cops

[@SweetMargonade]

Also he specified Kramer but the examples used were Amanda who didn’t follow the rules, not Kramer.

[@sylviedevine5295]

He targeted ‘bad’ people, some of whom happened to be cops

[@SniperDiplomat]

@@sylviedevine5295 He kills a lot of random cops with booby traps, which makes his whole "I despise murderers" schtick even more baffling.

[@eddieolshefski6467]

@@SniperDiplomat The only cops Jigsaw killed were Detective Sing from Saw 1 and a couple SWAT officiers from Saw 2. He never purposely targeted cops. As for the other cops like Detective Kerry, Officer Rigg and Detective Matthews, they were killed by Amanda and Hoffman.

[@RoxxyKaosGG]

This movie wasn't terrible, but I hate that it was easy to guess the antagonist from the trailer alone. Plus, the skinning scene solidified that it was definitely him. And how can they introduce Lawrence Gordon as the OG without continuing?!

[@ItsButterBean1020]

I guessed it was him since he was kinda the only really good bloke throughout the film

[@Claudiurogojan1234]

Yeah as soon as he came on screen I guessed it was him, and I guessed pretty much everything after, especially the crying baby scene that was obvious it was fake crying, I literally guessed the exact details of it, this movie was painfully predictable.

[@CabezasDePescado]

It was one of the worst movies of the year

[@NokoFace]

That's my problem with most "teaser" trailers these days, be it for movies or video games. They just spoil too much to generate hype that when the thing comes out, half of the plot you know already.

[@gh0style239]

@@NokoFace or if its a particularly bad movie, the trailer shows all the good parts, or in the case of suicide squad i dont even think half the trailer was in the movie bc the full movie was so boring compared to how the trailer made it look

[@MSUParker]

Dude the last scene of Chris Rock just screaming watching his dad die is just insane

[@shukrysii828]

Proper closing to a Saw film that shows the antagonist getting their way and is definitely a homage to the first Saw ending. Just wished for myself the ending hit the beat that it needs but I am welcome to seeing a continuation of this storyline with more plot substance and dialogue and character that breathes life into the world setting.

[@Blueklima9708]

I agree, in retrospect it’s all very messy, but I remember losing my mind in the theater while watching that scene

[@designertonio5801]

all i did was laugh everytime i heard ( i want to play a game ) it sound like some kid behind a mic tryna threat someone

[@jenniswatching7]

I think the issue James is having with the movie is that he’s seeing it as a Saw movie. It’s not, it’s in the same universe, but it’s not a sequel. I do, however, agree that Chris Rock’s comedy fell a little flat. It felt forced. The suspense and overall mystery throughout the film was very well done. I

[@Geo-wo4kw]

I agree specially the twilight part. Man, that's where i realized he's trying so hard to put some humor around the movie. But i love the forest gump part.

[@mr_pumpernickel4804]

I agree I loved the mystery element

[@Quesoquantum]

@Geo ok I made fun of that joke earlier because of the statement itself being jarring but it was lowkey hilarious

[@DS3Enjoyer]

Then they shouldn't call it a saw movie. That's a shit defense

[@Sweetdude64]

you what?

[@phffffbt]

Chris Rock's character actually AGREEING to join this movie's Jigsaw was the most interesting part and the fact that they immediately squander it frustrates me to no end. Like we constantly hear of Jigsaw's many accomplices and see flashbacks of them, but a real time partnership forming would've been something new at least.

[@xxx0ox0]

i think he was just agreeing so his dad wouldn't die, but i guess they leave it up to interruption

[@marctm7614]

@@xxx0ox0 Interpretation, for future reference.

[@xxx0ox0]

@@marctm7614 auto correct grammar police

[@3DSDF]

I saw it as him agreeing just to put his partner at ease, so that Rock will arrest him once the guy’s guard is down. Joining Jigsaw seems to be out of character since despite knowing how corrupt his coworkers were, Rock still attempted to save them even after they treated him like shit.

[@Arepovolepic]

The Freddy vs Jason kill count recount trailer song is actually dope af, ngl

[@rover_libra]

It's a parody of 'The Ultimate Showdown'. Can't remember the artist though. I also remember SMG4 doing a parody of it.

[@larsg5162]

It's a parody of The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny!

[@Jackmoo101]

@@rover_libra lemon demon

[@axelnilsson5124]

Expected it to be more of a wwe parody

[@jsbmx2039]

So good

[@-That1Ghost-]

The way James says "A PIG!" is great, I love it and I don't know why.

[@jet2169]

easily the best parts of the video

[@-That1Ghost-]

@@jet2169 your absolutely correct

[@ajaxjohnson7999]

17:33 had me in stitches!! 🤣😂🤣😂

[@ClickonYT04]

13:25

[@KiyoKiyo982]

lowkey excited for James to make a killcount of Saw X

[@diegeticfridge9167]

I’m high key, it was easily the best one since 6

[@Litera_Trotter]

It's up now.

[@gusgus7457]

Fun fact: he first trap is almost impossible to beat seeming as if you drop down and rip your tongue out you will bleed out in minutes, before you can get help

[@nataliealphonse4634]

Huh does that mean that all those scenes in movies of people getting their tongue cut out and then running around are total bs?

[@beepobeepo]

@@nataliealphonse4634 it depends on how much is cut out i think. like a small chunk wouldnt be as life threatening as yoinking the /entire/ thing

[@zacharybruursema2345]

@@beepobeepo Yoink is officially my favorite word in the English language now

[@Unknown-oo4hh]

None of the trap are winnable

[@djcorneliusbingleton]

Really? I thought having the tongue amputated was a common punishment in medieval times

[@eqWillibrium]

Didn’t expect James to serenade us with a cover of “Ultimate Showdown”. Definitely not complaining

[@thegrandxbunny2073]

This song alone is why we need more horror crossovers.

[@darkfate666]

The most common theme throughout your Kill Counts, aside from the deaths, is the intrusion from the MPAA (now MPA). I would love to see a podcast with you and friends talking about the MPAA and the effect it has had on horror movies. Also, consider what would happen if movie theaters decided not to honor the rating system and just show movies regardless of rating. It could make a good discussion.

[@bacobjeatty2777]

Terrifier 2 released unrated in theaters all over the USA and made 15 million so I would'nt be suprised if that becomes a standard

[@FuryMcpurey]

The little parody of The Ultimate Showdown by Lemon Demon at the end made me so happy, I love Neil Cicierega's music. He's a major inspiration. I've been binging this series since one of the videos showed up on my recommended, it's pretty fun to have playing in the background while I do housework. This video may be a year old but keep up the excellent work, guys! Do remember to take breaks when you need them though.

[@lukedufour]

Gotta say, that song parody for Ultimate Showdown at the end of the video was actually really awesome! It is so awesome to 1) be reminded of that classic youtube gem of a song and 2) show some love to it in a honestly really well written parody. The video was great too but I wanted to definitely give some love to that tease for the next episode. Much love! God bless!

[@Skarletkombat]

I completely agree

[@CouchSpud91]

I actually busted out laughing at how amazing of a reference it was. Full on nostalgia trip while being simultaneously dumb yet entertaining. A true classic KZbin moment.

[@explosion2197]

James:”rest in peace you sanctimonious bastard” Cramer:wakes up”so you want to play a game?”

[@Starlight-by3cf]

Also James: i want to apologize

[@aHumanBeing97]

Just so you’re aware, their last name starts with a K, not a C!

[@justahuglyahhboi9676]

@@Starlight-by3cf Kramer: Sorry, but that’s not how the game work James! You do not deserve your FREEDOM!

[@prestonthebeston1735]

@@justahuglyahhboi9676 you do not deserve you are freedom?

[@naterosenthal1019]

21:44 I love the way he customizes the people for how they die, it’s adds a nice element to it

[@LokiMartin]

"Feels good to be back in the old Saw trap again. Feels like a warm horror hug." I love this line because I've watched a few sequels that get it right and it does feel like a warm hug.

[@postachonomas7257]

i love that the movie itself doesn't play the identity of william as the real twist, like, instead the music starts playing when will explains why he did it and that zeke's father was the main reason of how the corruption started in the police station.

[@j-zhirngaming9550]

When I watched it i didn't know William was jigsaw i got a bit surprised

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

@@j-zhirngaming9550 Seriously? It was pretty obvious lol

[@Sam-xd8fy]

@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 Idk I'm never really thinking about what the ending is going to be when watching a movie so I never predict what's going to happen.

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

@@Sam-xd8fy Fair enough it's just that by this point the whole plot twist gimmick has gotten so lazy

[@j-zhirngaming9550]

@@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470 i guess I'm dumb

[@ZakTheGuy]

It was immediately obvious Schenk was behind everything when he tells Zeke that Zeke's dad is "the reason for all of this; he's why I wanna do this in the first place"

[@eawhaaa]

I can't express how happy it made me to have you mention Chris Ramsey's involvement in this film. I watched a few of his own videos about the experience and it seemed like he and Darren really hit it off!

[@brkenppt2222]

One thing i love about your channel, is that you give valuable information on how stuff are done in movie, and integrate it perfectly in the video

[@famousthaneus9810]

I think the “Kramer didn’t target cops” line meant “Kramer didn’t solely target people *because* they were cops. Some of his victims just happened to be cops.” Completely different

[@compatriot852]

Could have been worded differently though

[@LamborghiniDiabloSVPursuit]

Plus, wasn't the cop used as an example captured by Amanda and not John?

[@__orbiter__]

exactly!

[@lamshae6070]

Indeed

[@Rclarke115]

If anyone’s targeted cops, it was those working or worked for him. Amanda targeted Eric Matthews for placing evidence that got her thrown in jail. She then placed Kerry in an unsolvable game that got her killed since she probably knew of this but didn’t say anything. Mark Hoffman put Daniel Rigg through a test to teach him a lesson in procedural but he ended up failing, costing him and Eric’s life. Hoffman then killed Strahm after he was getting too close to unveiling his secret, then killed 3 FBI agents immediately after finding out, then set his sights on Matt Gibson for protecting Jill Tuck. After refusing to hand her over, Hoffman killed Gibson, whatever was left of Rigg’s SWAT team and Gibson’s entire unit. Finally, Logan set his sights on Brad Halloran for a variety of reasons. He took bribes, planting evidence, let the worst criminals walk free (one of which who killed Logan’s wife) causing an array of aggravated crimes throughout the city. If anyone didn’t seem to respect Jigsaw’s morals or ideals… Mark Hoffman seemed like a lost cause from the start.

[@alexwong3902]

That was a sick “On the Next Kill Count” scene

[@steviecarlos3851]

This is the ultimate showdown! Finally someone actually said something about thay

[@rykerstevens6661]

Yeah!

[@MissSun23]

22:51 (self mark for me lol)

[@designertonio5801]

all i did was laugh everytime i heard ( i want to play a game ) it sound like some fat kid behind a mic tryna threat someone

[@samzilla567]

Protip to any future writers: If you don't want your audience to immediately figure out who your mystery villain is. Don't give him a last name that's pronounced Shank!

[@BestBES]

And don't show literally every character EXCEPT for that one die

[@nerdyfoxes8000]

We... Do realize that the Rita person is a bot, right..?

[@fidelgarcia2224]

Idk I mean isn't that how all Saw movies were? Easy to predict who it was

[@_Alex_Zer0_]

@@fidelgarcia2224 _Cough_ Saw 1 _cough_

[@isabellayankosky4657]

that and the actor who ends up being the killer plays similar roles in other films😭

[@Father_Bohawk]

I really want to see this blend into the older Saw movies because imo, the new killer is like a combo of Hoffman, Amanda, AND Jigsaw. They have the "My methods are creating good results" of Jigsaw, the "I am the person who rightfully judges" of Hoffman, and the "They don't deserve to live so let's rig their game" of Amanda. Each trap feels winnable but also doesn't. The targets are deserving of being tested but they aren't set up to properly learn their lesson. I think that is expanded upon and if it bleeds into OG Saw lore harder, it would reinvigorate the franchise to new and higher potential Heights. Ending here feels like leaving the door open for an incoming guest but not knowing their ETA or if their dangerously unkempt transportation did them in

[@RKingis]

He's using John's ideas for his own use. Technically it's only related to Jigsaw because he's basically a copycat.

[@Xeppeling]

How did we go from “new Jigsaw isn’t an engineer so tongue vice” to “huge marionette man with cool deployable shotgun and arm-raising action!”?

[@eddieolshefski6467]

Reason being is cause these traps William devised suited the person in them. Least we have seen that with the puppet trap and finger trap, he has some ingenuity skills like what Jigsaw had. We might see more in the future.

[@xx_redwood_xx9737]

Eh, all it really takes is a piston and a pulley

[@eddieolshefski6467]

@@xx_redwood_xx9737 But you gotta be sure the piston and pulley work to how you want it to work.

[@xx_redwood_xx9737]

@@eddieolshefski6467 It's really not that hard to test things. Plus, you only gotta lift his arm up and push a beam out from under it.

[@eddieolshefski6467]

@@xx_redwood_xx9737 True it ain’t hard to test things. But again, you gotta make sure it is constructed to function how you want it to work. Can’t just build stuff on the fly and something goes wrong in the process. That does get you to think what would happen with all the traps in the franchise if not fully tested.

[@DDaegan]

Seeing Nick Fury and Osmosis Jones flash guns at each other is peak cinema

[@urgonnahaveabadtime]

I just realized it then lmao

[@footsalt28]

Bro that’s mace windu

[@landontandem1320]

@@footsalt28 But that's... whatever that Burger loving Bible quoting hitman's name was.

[@UltimateGamerCC]

@@footsalt28 Bro, that's Shaft! XD

[@UltimateGamerCC]

@@appratows6795 lol nah dude, i remembered the trailer, unless you're talking about yourself... but you should've said "hold onto your butts", since we're all on a Sam L kick. XD

[@exknight39]

The thumbnail is too good. Its just funny to see a Kill Count title then you see Chris Rock's face

[@BloodDragoon]

So true 😆

[@goddammnit]

YES KING.

[@r3ap999]

Lol 😂

[@StianGB]

Am I the only one who laments Rock’s crooked front teeth?

[@lukeramos6546]

Ah yes 🤣

[@swag304]

If I had a nickel for every time Chris rock played a cop that’s hated because they did what they thought was right, that also jokes a lot, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.

[@-Wayla-]

Are we talking about Osmosis Jones

[@MrBeenus]

It's really not that weird.

[@swag304]

@@-Wayla- yeah

[@NotANewsiesReference]

@@MrBeenus Its an incorrect quote/joke. It isn't weird, but the saying/quote says "its weird that it happened twice."

[@inoli3164]

@@NotANewsiesReference isn’t the quote from Phineas and Ferb? More specifically from Dr. Doofemshurz?

[@StupidNSimplesns]

I can't listen to Zeke talk without hearing Marty from Madagascar

[@somehistorynerd]

“Truer Words Have Never Been Spoken”- Master Oogway

[@frogeman6749]

I wondered where I heard his voice

[@josetheclassicstarwarsfan8514]

Same!😂😂

[@sssilver_wing]

Wait wasnt that just his (natural) voice

[@pretpalgill8789]

Shut

[@ioanimator4529]

Saw victim: Survives John Kramer: Alright you're my partner now

[@dog4953]

Bruh

[@Cure_Hana]

Not always. I seriously doubt that woman who hacked her own arm off would want anything to do with him afterwards (I know that was technically Hoffman, but still).

[@somecanadiangirl1]

"Congratulations on surviving, take an application form on your way out"

[@handev2604]

Fun fact: the “Revenge” Kill Count is Dead Meat’s 300th Kill Count video.

[@boogerbrains5349]

He better have good employee benefits

[@GigaChad-tr4zj]

I never was a fan of horror movies but after watching dead meat for the past 3-4 years I became such a raging fan. James changed my whole point of view on movies

[@electricarc6377]

Same

[@mychaeljones7279]

I respect them more but still not a fan

[@UltimateGamerCC]

sometimes a change in perspective can affect your opinion of a movie.

[@tiredandanxious8541]

James: “Spiral finally puts John Kramer to rest!” Saw X: *allow me to introduce myself*

[@bellystraw]

I feel like spiral could be a good starting point. If a sequel comes along it'll be interesting to see how they increase the stakes/hype

[@epicbear4679]

The character Chris Rock plays here is basically Osmosis Jones

[@thedude8457]

So Zeke is an antromomorphic white blood cell police officer?😂

[@sansthedrummer]

Thank you!!! I'm not the only one who saw that. Some of the same story beats and everything

[@cacho2112]

A much better film IMO

[@thedude8457]

@Brandon Knight but not a white blood cell tho. He’s a black blood cell

[@Koskibroski]

God no.

[@gravenightghoul]

Can we talk about how the main villains entire last trap hinders on the idea that Chris Rock wouldn't just pistol whip him? lol.

[@s3dchr]

Or just fucking testify against him later.

[@rydertyler1]

I mean, TO BE FAIR, the man aside from the first part where Chris's character is processing the situation as he told it to him, he kept his distance from Rock, he would have saw it coming from like at least 8 feet or more away since he walked away from Chris.

[@themodernholmes1735]

This easily has one of the best "To The Numbers" bits in it.

[@fidelgarcia2224]

Honestly this didn't seem like a bad movie to me. It was good in its own way. Hopefully there's an unrated version released some time with all those scenes put back in or something like that

[@_mariri]

personally in my opinion if it were not part of the saw franchise (and didn't follow the concept entirely) i think it would have been a good standalone. might just be me though

[@Dukesparrow1999]

@@_mariri that is if it was simply titled Spiral and minus the "Live or die" quote then yeah it most certainly in my eyes would've been a good indie film

[@Chicanochars]

Same, I went in knowing that most saw fans hated it, but I didn't mind it that much. Really my only complaint is Chris Rocks comedic attempts. They clash with the movies style

[@Boobiejonshorts]

THANK YOU. I really enjoyed this movie, watched it for the third time yesterday.

[@rickbooth3071]

god i missed james breaking down the behind the scenes of every kill. really makes you appreciate the work and effort put into these movies, and the work james puts looking up all this shit lol

[@FezTheMoose]

Out of all the "to the numbers" gags, this is one of the best. It looks like its taken out off the saw franchise

[@darkjerf]

Ok I saw this video the first day it came out and I saw the movie right before, I honestly love that these deaths actually feel necessary because everyone who died actually did something bad, unlike in some of the saw movies where the kills felt unnecessary, like in 3D the first kill was a toxic relationship girl...but in spiral most of the kills felt necessary because they killed, caused kills, or hurt people

[@StoicVitalityRecaps]

But he's right john kramer didn't target cops. He targeted many different individuals. He was stating that the new killer targets cops while John's targets were more vast.

[@B1998-u6i]

Yeah, the issue is more how the line is written. "John Kramer didn't target cops" implies he NEVER went after cops in all of the movies. Should have been "John Kramer didn't JUST target cops"

[@STRAKAZulu]

@@B1998-u6i came here to say exactly this.

[@RLucas3000]

@@B1998-u6i That’s a perfect fix for that line.

[@leandroteixeira33]

@@B1998-u6i Like someone said below, tecnically John never targetted cops in that way. The sole exception was Hoffmann and being a cop wasn't the reason John chose him. His accomplices targetted cops, not him.

[@DevDoesDigimon]

@@leandroteixeira33 There was also the Cop in 4 who served as the main trap plot of the film, s well as the cop in the same movie who got his head crushed by blocks of ice. Again though, they both would have been just fine had the first cop done the task properly instead of trying to be Superman.

[@freddy7314]

I actually loved Spiral. While the ending wasn’t particularly the best, the kills/traps were actually some of my favorites!

[@xxx0ox0]

agreed, i just like to see at least one or two people survive otherwise it just feels like straight murder

[@McBean1331]

Cool.

[@CleenisNOThere]

@@McBean1331 ok

[@burgerbonkerqueenmsp9761]

@@xxx0ox0 I AGREE, wouldve been cool if the wax girl survived or maybe the glass dude

[@Master-Ganja]

the twist wasnt too bad but chris rock couldve shut up with the non funny comedy Hell Samuel L Jackson in this was Epic so honestly i give it a 6.5 out of 10

[@paulw858]

With regards to the Glass Blower not giving enough time, William wanted Zeke to just let Dunleavy stand there and die, so not giving him enough time makes sense in that context. It was personally my favorite trap of the film!

[@spikemurphy5054]

I love how deadmeat looks at the behind the scenes of movies. You actually learn something by watching his videos.

[@bubblewrap8823]

I enjoyed Spiral myself, but I also admit that I'd like a Saw movie that felt more like some of the originals. That said, I did REALLY enjoy how the traps in Spiral felt pretty symbolic and weren't as trivial as some of the other movies.

[@SurgeryIsWoke]

James: This movie's pretty obvious plot twist is revealed. Me: Yup. It was his fathe- uh- Oh shit😐😒🙄

[@slyctonbits]

literally me, lol

[@MyoticTesseract]

tbf i was stuck between it being either his dad or his partner

[@lifeonthenickel]

Just know, that actor is usually the bad guy in everything.

[@weebpotato2366]

I suspected his partner but then he “died” so I thought it was his dad or another dirty cop lol 😂

[@thisprofilepicisakittyboi9831]

I actually want to hear a full version of that “Ultimate Showdown” parody you did for Freddy vs Jason.

[@felixdeluxe5060]

Yeah. it was great - and much better than "Spiral" or C. Rock!

[@gamer-dy3is]

Yeah i'd listen to that alot

[@gamer-dy3is]

And here I thought that no one remembered The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny by Lemon Demon any more

[@kaitlyngreatlyn]

I personally really liked Spiral, but I get where you're coming from. I think the traps were a little silly and the twist a bit obvious. But I liked the different direction, it was pretty good.

[@Steven-ez6qp]

Yes lol I'm just seeing this now and the first guy lolol he ruined people's lives with his lies and now he's really sweating it 😥 knowing he deserves it trying Soo hard to escape his tongue 😜 lol All you could say is Oops 🤭🤣 bye-bye sir 💀 lol wouldn't you agree with me?

[@t_asmr4988]

I really just want to point out how amazing it is that James creates new lines and footage for each of his sponsors instead of repeat videos like a lot of other channels do. Such a small thing, but it really just goes to show how much he cares. ❤️❤️

[@themagicalaxolotl2258]

The Ultimate Showdown cover is really fun, cute, and clever way to tease the next episode, I'm really looking forward to it!

[@MorganVsTheInternet]

I think that the adding of comedy after the script was written and having Rock’s character be the only one doing comedic one liners killed the whole thing.

[@chilliinsanity6898]

Yeah none of his jokes were even that funny, it sucks I thought he was going to nail this movie.

[@siegwardinspirit]

@@chilliinsanity6898 seems he was a little too prideful in his work. Can't write a movie script like a book, and the same goes for jokes. Can't write jokes in movies like in standup comedy. It's a completely different medium.

[@MorganVsTheInternet]

@@siegwardinspirit Yh it was almost like he was himself IRL in a Saw movie and not a realistic character who is naturally funny.

[@froggman66]

One of my favorite parts about the movie is honestly the voice used for the jigsaw copycat, I think the unsettling vibes of the voice fit really well

[@heyimlate5656]

Really? I thought it was really bad. Had me cringed the whole movie.

[@oddbulbsaur935]

@@heyimlate5656I thought it was pretty good as well. Feels like a copycat, not some weird disciple

[@Whatsabird]

It's sounds like how abridged broly sounds

[@valentinethelover]

I love how James reviews horror movies even IF he doesn’t like them or if they’re boring, he respects others opinions on the movie, talks about how the crew put so much time into it, goes into the Behind The Scenes of the movie he’s talking about, and he counts the kills for us as well, James is probably the nicest, funniest, and the best horror reviewer on KZbin. I personally do not like this movie, the kills are boring compared to the original Saw movies, and the deaths are far apart, I like Saw 3D, if we’re talking about kills, if we’re talking about favorite movie in general I’d say Saw 2.

[@travisc7722]

Yeah it makes me appreciate the work put into the movies even if I'm not a fan of them

[@tvdvd8661]

It's how he makes his money. Even if he didn't like a movie, others would and if it's popular enough he would be leaving money on the table by not making a video

[@shawndashno6022]

Truth! Though my favorites are 1 and 7 (3D) Saw II is a rare sequel, in that it is arguably better than the 1st. (Arguably! 😂) It's definitely just as good.

[@enerioffutt1881]

@@tvdvd8661 Although you can tell by his voice when he truly hates a movie.

[@13JackStorm]

As daft as that "finger trap" before the numbers was, editing was fantastic.

[@doorjamm23]

I LOVED this movie. My only gripe is that Tobin Bell wasn't even given a cameo, but that does nothing to deter how much I like this movie. Looking forward to how the story continues!

[@BmanTheChamp]

I'm kind of glad they're moving away from Tobin Bell, considering how old he is you have to wonder how much longer he'll be able to do acting.

[@BearlyAwake13]

Same. This is the first Saw movie I genuinely enjoyed since the first one, so I'm sad the general consensus is that it was bad/boring

[@HornetMan22]

As someone else has pointed out, Bell was asked if he would indeed cameo as John Kramer but declined due to the character being dead

[@crypt2939]

There was a photo of him and his character was referenced

[@crypt2939]

Only other way he could've appeared was in a flashback which wouldn't have made sense because Schenk was a copycat, not an apprentice

[@MonstrumReborn]

This is why I love every saw movie, even if they can be bad or overdone, the twist endings always get me.

[@link7880]

The "ON THE NEXT KILL COUNT" segment for the Freddy vs Jason is the most perfect thing I have ever seen in my life, it's PERFECTION

[@levischorpioen]

I’ll say this about Spiral: It’s the perfect gateway Saw film. A new generation will be introduced to Saw and this film basically tells them: “Okay, this is the gist of what you’ll be getting yourself into should you wish to explore this franchise further. Now go back and watch the ones that are actually good.”

[@transienthorror]

I hope this is the case! Reinvigorating interest in the originals would be awesome!

[@jeremyscungio16]

Honestly I showed a girl who never really watched horror movies the first saw and she actually liked them and went to watch a few more

[@levischorpioen]

@@jeremyscungio16 That first film is absolutely timeless.

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

It's perfect if you want to turn people away from the franchise

[@jeremyscungio16]

@@levischorpioen she even referenced it in class I was proud

[@NoahDaArk]

17:35 I want a compilation of every time James said “Aah Pigged!” The ways he delivers that line is awesomely funny

[@unwrittenemmy098]

I can almost guarantee that’s gonna be a Dead Meat Short in a couple days lol

[@theloomiskiller]

At least Chris can get some good ideas for his revenge against Will.

[@dhevputhoor4619]

knew it

[@connerlauffer3480]

I hope James mentions this fun fact on the Freddy vs Jason kill count. The boiler room fight scene features Rey mysterio was Freddy Krueger’s stunt double.

[@BoltUnagi]

James is a huge wrestling fan. I would be surprised if he didn't mention it.

[@connerlauffer3480]

@@BoltUnagi same.

[@ronyorobio7096]

"Rest in peace, you sanctimonious bastard" I just love how James comically critizises questionable conducts.

[@hydroxin3171]

The director talking about the fingers looks so happy to be there. Man can’t put down the pad to give a response that shows pride in the movie.

[@roglogo]

You're so dang funny. I love how you adapt to each movie by using a theme. The explanation of scenes and overall production is amazing

[@bernlin2000]

21:19 That's a great shot of Chris Rock screaming. Whatever went down with the plot of this film (they can keep changing the movie title, but if it's the same production crew...it's going to be the same film in the end), I'm really impressed with Rock's efforts, really solid dramatic work!

[@vodkavecz]

I liked the saw traps better at the start of the series. When they could've been solved without self mutilation, if they pay attention. And when it didn't involve other people (choose between two, either you suffer or the other, etc). That made Jigsaw more sympathetic, so to say. Loved your rendition of the 'Ultimate Showdown' at the end.

[@RustyNips]

Yes saw is better when there is actually a way out or some puzzle to figure out

[@secpendragon9760]

Just personally, I preferred Jigsaw over Spiral, probably because it still followed John Kramer and his followers. I would've loved to see Dr. Logan catch William in a trap at the end, either to punish for being a copycat or to induct him into Kramer's following. Maybe that's just me, though

[@constellations8572]

Dang, Chris Rock slaps in this movie.

[@brook6957]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@arrowpride5468]

Boooooooo

[@YesImJoeKing]

You and your puns

[@Benjamillion]

@@yok3rsp8 I made a similar comment and nobody bothered to look at it. I guess I'm that invisible :P

[@JohannesVanDerStuyvebode]

I dont get the punchline

[@DoogieNguyen]

The background music and James's voice are so soothing. It legit helps me fall asleep at night. Background sound helps me sleep.

[@25thhanabusa69]

For me, Spiral has very strong Venom vibes, where its objectively not a great movie, but has great moments, the people who liked it loved it, and kind of a romance. I really liked Spiral a lot

[@tonywilczynski3602]

That ultimate showdown "parody" previewing the Freddy vs Jason recount was like a brick of nostalgia being thrown at me.

[@51lettername95]

Chris Rock made the movie slap in the theatres

[@thomasraines1396]

The entire plot of the second SAW revolved a corrupt cop trying to save his son from Jigsaw who had him trapped in a house with people who went to jail after he set them up with planted evidence.

[@ClassifiedRanTom]

“Modern Saw Kill Counts would be about 40 minutes. Let’s not do that though, alright?” Leaving this here for a few years when we inevitably get a Saw Recount.

[@martth3great89]

We prob won’t get a saw recount

[@NokoFace]

Why would we get a Saw recount? Those videos still hold up fairly well today, unlike Friday the 13th. And also unlike Friday the 13th the Saw counts didn't start the channel so they aren't as special.

[@haretrigger69]

I loved this movie a lot, but I also completely understand why a lot of people (like James) don't. It definitely could've been better, the pacing is weird, editing is weird, the plot is a little all over the place and the twist was pretty obvious. But, I still liked it. Chris Rock was amazing, Schenk was a very likeable character despite ending up as the villain, and the whole thing about corrupt cops is topical (and a personal interest of mine) yet tasteful. I might've disliked it more if I hyped myself up over it more, but after the last few Saw movies I kinda expected the worst.

[@Jhon-hy6xk]

"Hello detective, I want to play a game... In 60 seconds, Will Smith will get inside your room... Live or die... Hu hu hu ha ha ha ha"

[@Saintpentiousofficial]

Oscar's

[@eldritchblaaa9395]

I'll be honest. I actually really like the trailers being put at the end of the kill counts. Just gives me a tiny bit more to look forward to when I watch

[@JOMNIplays]

I LOVES THIS MOVIE. It feels fresh and was so cool, can’t forget about how Chris Rock was so cool in this role. I give it an 8.5 out of 10, left on a cliffhanger so can’t wait for the sequel

[@Lucifer103]

jesus christ

[@pleasemariettethekids4784]

@@Lucifer103 fan behavior

[@K.B.P.]

As fresh as any bitchy dirty cop movie from the early to mid 2010s bruh

[@horrorgirl3034]

@Anthony Lopez tbh it is there opinion. if you dont find it freash, then you dont. but if he does, then he does.

[@butter2221]

I just watched it and I agree, I never really liked the saw franchise but this one I enjoyed a lot.

[@Mrstobastoba]

I very much appreciate still getting Sunday Kill Counts every now and then, especially after the stuff with the Fear Street's. The work doesn't go unnoticed.