Trample, Splash, & Blast Damage: What's the difference?

[@Arhiman93]

Fun thing, in the spanish version of AoE2 the description for the logistica technology says literally "Las catafractas arrasan a su paso" what can be translated to english to something like "Cataphracts obliterate on their path", not a mention about trample or area damage in spanish.

[@rubengalvan1031]

True. As a kid I didn't know what that meant

[@Hastrica]

In German it's literally "Cataphracts devastate by riding down [enemies]". Again, zero mention of area damage. I always researched Logistica as a kid because I thought the description was cool, but never knew what the tech did.

[@ripper021_py]

I remember that, it was super cryptic at that time

[@victorrenevaldiviasoto9728]

10 year old me thought that they would just do damage by passing by

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

@@victorrenevaldiviasoto9728 When "just passing" is a human rights violation

[@KHariram]

Meanwhile the scorpion is crying in a corner having overlooked by SoTL

[@alex_zetsu]

It's technically not trample or blast. It's arguably splash, but in some RTS games, penetrating ammunition aren't considered splash damage. So maybe it could be argued it doesn't count, but given that even the Organ Gun made an appearance and it's very similar to the scorpion, us Scorpion fans ca rightfully cry.

[@andoreh4021]

Then SotL make another video regardng scorpion damage but forget to mention caravels.

[@Labyrinth6000]

They need a new upgrade to the Siege Scorpion

[@koldfire7253]

It's pass through damage. It would fit better with the scorpions and chakram thrower and ghulam.

[@T-West]

Fun facts: If a unit doesn't have 100% accuracy, then all units within the blast radius have a chance equal to the accuracy to take damage. That's why the Britons Warwolf technology changes Treb accuracy from 15% to 100%. At one point Throwing Axemen would harm friendly units if they were given a blast attack. In some custom scenarios they would massacre their own infantry units if the player also had Druzhina. There was an update to DE that changed this behavior. The Organ Gun secondary projectile is really interesting. It has 1002 attack. But the attack is against an armor class that no units have, so the damage is calculated using the base armor, which for most units is 1000. But there are some units that appear in scenarios with 0 base armor (Dire Wolves and Ornlu are examples).

[@MajorTomFisher]

I was about to comment "Have you tried deleting the onager before the projectiles hit the ground?"

[@devangnivatkar2649]

I had asked on the wikia why Druzhina was amended to exclude ranged infantry units in DE. Now I know!

[@khankhomrad8855]

Why do most units have 1000 base armour?

[@T-West]

@@khankhomrad8855 It's greater than most attacks so that it cancels out bonus damages that don't apply to units. If a unit has +5 against cavalry, and the unit it's attacking doesn't have cavalry armor, then the base armor is used instead. So that's 5 - 1000, so the cavalry part of the attack doesn't contribute to the overall amount of damage dealt.

[@KHariram]

@@T-West So if Warwolf didn't give 100% accuracy, they would be doing damage to only 15% of the units? This applies to the case of only 1 enemy unit. So their treb war accuracy would have gone down from ~30% to actual 15%.

[@Tepalus]

What I learned today: There's a flamethrower-tower in AoE2

[@anghainguyen9951]

Yes, you could see them in dracula Campain...

[@tirex3673]

@@anghainguyen9951 or Hastings

[@yourfellowhumanbeing2323]

@@anghainguyen9951 also in one of the asian campaings

[@TheKobasen]

Reminds me of WCIII unique building.

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

You didn't know? It's used in a fair number of scenarios, even in the base game i.e. without mods.

[@iwersonsch5131]

Remember, kids: Fire galleys miss 100% of the shots they don't take.

[@Spunney]

whats the tasing discord been up to?

[@foxnyl4141]

0:35 I was expecting the Intro song so much, that it started playing in my head and I suddenly felt very rushed into the video as you kept on talking - made me pause the video XD

[@Dave_The_Musical_Fisherman]

Glad I'm not the only one

[@pierredross2959]

Me too !

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

Idk why he ever stopped using that dope theme song...it was one of the coolest parts of his videos

[@B3Band]

I'm always ready to press skip 20 seconds when he says "let's check it out" because that's exactly how long the intro song is. I had to stop myself at the last moment when it didn't happen.

[@RobotShield]

Yes! I felt that xD

[@MikeEmpires]

There’s some questions SotL shows us that we should be asking.

[@HyunAOP]

Love your videos amigo

[@Hamanuna]

It's nice to see you here too!

[@msonisama8656]

aye love your vids, even tho I have the game myself (lol), I just love watching them

[@LumosX]

That was a correct pronunciation of "druzhina", my man. Good work. Slavs approve.

[@firockfinion3326]

Ah yes, the cobra car, the most important unit to keep in mind in competitive play.

[@mlchaelz2134]

thank you spirit of the law. now i know what he difference is between trample, spash, & blast damage is in Age of Empires 2. thanks

[@Metroyeti17]

Bruh you couldn't have even watched the video yet

[@Sad_Chief]

Lol I was about to say the same thing but didn't cuz i didn't even finish the vid.

[@neatwing2285]

thank you mlchaelz. now i know you know he difference is between trample, spash, & blast damage is in Age of Empires 2. thanks

[@leonardorivelorivelo9253]

They should all be renamed to AoE damage

[@MerMes16]

Age of Empires damage

[@leonardorivelorivelo9253]

@@MerMes16 yes

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

That'd just be even more confusing, since they don't all work the same.

[@antthegord9411]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn joke

[@leonardorivelorivelo9253]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn ____________ The Joke________/ your Head \_____

[@phun1901]

I've been wondering what makes the AI abdicate? Sometimes it's before I destroy anything. Sometimes they hold on even without villagers or units. Usually if I drop castle plans on their first TC that forces them to abdicate

[@Veylon]

In a 1v1, it looks like the main way it checks is to see if it has less than thirty pop, you have more than twenty-four pop, and you have three times the pop it does. The actual check is a little more complicated than that due to the limitations of the scripting language, but that's the gist of it. If you don't have more than thirty pop, then it waits until every last villager and monk is killed and it has a pop of one or less and all of it's town centers, docks, monasteries, and markets are destroyed and it has no pop headroom.

[@B3Band]

It abdicates when the nearby boars grunted too loudly and frequently, or when the townsfolk began too close to my kingdom's Town Center, or when Far too many birds flew over mine kingdom

[@justincronkright5025]

I thought this was A VERY unfortunate Arabic name to be understood in English. Al Abdicate - leader of the ... caliphate, has left the match.

[@onetrucksizedsalmon2962]

Ah yes, a question I didn’t have until I saw the title, then I had the question and I will now have the answer

[@manishchauhan145]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 true af lmfao

[@meo8258]

same. and i dont even play aoe2

[@nishunair1912]

Spirit answering questions, we didn't know we wanted answered!

[@helljack]

Great video but the lack of elephant facts will not be forgotten! (By the elephants, as you know, they never forget... nor forgive)

[@riseALK]

Happy to hear you cover those two hero units, I added them to the trample damage page on the wiki a week ago.

[@AgeofNoob]

6:15 - I cannot watch any further after my fallen brothers. F.

[@karanveer1839]

so lets check em out.... i was waiting for that intro!! is this some different timeline!?

[@unimportantcommenter4356]

You didnt mention the Scorpion, which technically does blast damage

[@andrei.deniz22]

Isnt that considered pierce damage?

[@unimportantcommenter4356]

@@andrei.deniz22 It's a unique version of the elephants splash damage: it does the damage in a line instead of a circular radious.

[@TheKobasen]

Yes because torsion engine also affected scorpion which means it does blast damage.

[@CallofDutyBlackOps28]

i think what makes it so cool about the fire tower's effect; is that it too makes sense in a way. a crack of a random piece of wood/fire decided to just spark off and smack someone in the face or what have you; really does make you with the tower was more out there then just being a unique tower in come scenario/campaigns

[@JustDaZack]

Haven't played AoE2 in a long time but also can't get enough of learning more about my favorite childhood game ❤️

[@griddmeirax]

Spirit correctly pronouncing word Druzhina is a blessing

[@CornBredCrusader]

The fire tower doesnt have blast damage, it just follows the same pattern that all other units with

[@light_david7]

*All fires. Fire ships have 0% accuracy, and therefore the fire damages the first thing it hits. That is why a villager can wall out the fire ship, because the fire his the wall before the villager. T-west tought me.

[@Hamanuna]

2:20 we all know that's for show how underrated the japanese are

[@sandutheodor9398]

Man I miss the SOTL intro

[@TheHUEZOX]

Same! What happened?

[@sandutheodor9398]

@@TheHUEZOX no clue...one day it just vanished

[@Appletank8]

Very sad

[@TheHUEZOX]

@@sandutheodor9398 :(

[@Ganara426]

I dont, good riddance

[@nvmtt]

Abraha elephant:* does full trample damage. God: *Picks ranged units. Abraha: Wait, you were not supposed to do that.........

[@AnunnakiDNApe]

your channel is incredible, man. congratulations and thank you very much!

[@Kelari313]

Crazy how complex this amazing game is!

[@diosn6909]

These videos are one of my weekly happy moments!

[@TheKobasen]

Now that war elephant is cheaper in terms of food plus the knowledge from this video, I expect more people are encouraging to use war elephant + crossbow combo to counter almost everything.

[@XxXchrisXxX78]

Maybe but keep in mind its not just the cost of the unit theres also Upgrades production speed but most importantly the fact that they are a castle unit making their up Front cost higher and their rate of production slower

[@grandthieflupingames3470]

Wow, been having a blast watching this video! :D

[@mullerpotgieter]

Neat. One would assume its the same bit of code executed in slightly different ways, but this game is full of surprises

[@commanderkeen4971]

Best math lecture ever

[@chattw6885]

This video was a blast!

[@michaelandreipalon359]

8:37: Welcome back, old friend. Practicing before battling that lone Villager, I see.

[@kristianlykke]

I miss the shorter version of guitar play after intro, before u start the video. The long version was too long, but for a long time it was perfect. Now i feel like its gone!? I miss it, it was such a signiture of this channel. My brain LinkedIn thecguitar into to sotl. Anyone who also misses it?

[@Walpurgisnackt]

damn getting that Kunka cleave with the 256 mod

[@SimonFallheart]

what you did with the demos reminds me of my harvest moon fields

[@Calebgoblin]

This is one I've been waiting for. I just assumed they were all the same thing and I just couldn't count.

[@z911empire]

dude you're a legend

[@DaSaintDemon]

6:38 That spearman: "I HAVE NO MASTER!!!"

[@CatmanFS]

You nailed it on this one.

[@BearGryllzUnRated]

TRYING TO GET TO SLEEP BUT NO, YOU UPLOAD..

[@omerbalbakan394]

Thank you very much! I was wondering how they work

[@petersmythe6462]

To be released soon: A DLC where something does squish damage.

[@greywolf7577]

Is that when the elephant sits on someone?

[@aralornwolf3140]

@@greywolf7577 , No... it's when Boats Keelhaul enemy units.

[@ramosfelipe]

Aewsome stuff, thanks SOTL!

[@tankninja98]

Ah yes the cobra car is more op than I thought.

[@daytoend5383]

the main takeaway from this video: onager and siege onager are op as fuck. 70% damage increase with 1 upgrade and almost doubling it with another one? imagine those values with any other unit. with this strengh i think mangonel line could cost 3 times as much as it currently does and still be effective in lategame

[@quakethedoombringer]

Siege onagers +normal or special archers (especially longbow men) + spear units at the back are practically gamebreaking unless you can mass enough bombard cannons to destroy the onagers. Especially for maps like Amazon Tunnel where you cannot flank your enemy.

[@caiheang]

So we're discussing aoe in aoe 🤔

[@jajafeedyns8082]

This comment needs more exposure.

[@CaptainCorobo]

Could you do a mini series comparing unique units by class? Like comparing all unique unit archers with eachother. /infantry/cavalry?

[@Jondiceful]

Thanks! That was a blast😎

[@qwopiretyu]

Very interesting as usual

[@markus5507]

6:10 those must be teutonic knights who grabbed a lance

[@niklasw.1297]

0:45 HE PRONOUNCED DRUZHINA CORRECT

[@JackOpulski]

I had never noticed the elite battle elephants have little chains between their tusks.

[@nafg115]

This is the channel we thumb up before watching the video

[@valak3914]

Well that's Some Area Of Effect damage over there

[@chingamfong]

AoE damage in the AoE2, from the game series AoE, where Ethiopian units say "AoE"

[@Udwin]

Teutonic Knight directly stabbed by an slavic Halberdier: "You have no power here!" Teutonic Knight after the slavic Halberdier turns around and attacks an other unit: "Argh! It hurts so much to get passive aggressively ignored!"

[@TamaDuder]

great video idea. thank you!

[@crimat22]

How about deleting the units that have decreasing dmg like you can do with the mangonel shots. Does that work?

[@light_david7]

Ask T-west. He is the master of programming quarks

[@soupalex]

oh, you mean the exploit where deleting your mangonel after it fires causes the splash from any of its unresolved missiles to hit at 100% damage? yeah, it would be interesting to know if the same trick worked with other units (i'm guessing "no" in the case of units with melee splash attacks, since they need to be alive in the instant where the attack is resolved)

[@meneldal]

Deleting an SO with multiple torsion engine (with 256x mod) can probably destroy half the map.

[@30Salmao]

The comment you did for slavs halberdier vs cavalry trample damage could have and +: 5 damage is very little because the HP of paladins is huge and agaist low HP enemy you kill some of them faster so the atk output of the adversary is lowered faster; and another factor is that if your enemy is a bigger unit there gonna be fewer of them surrounding at the same time and less bonus damage due trample.

[@segmentsAndCurves]

8:36 SO SATISFYING!

[@acresir]

Strange that the Canon tower does not have any splash. I'm pretty sure one would get somekind of a shellshock, if a cannonball landed at one's feet regardless of it came from a tower or a siege cannon.

[@jefffinkbonner9551]

Yeah, for the expense of bombard towers and the fact that it can be hard for them to actually hit units with the lack of ballistics and slower moving projectiles, it seems like having some splash damage would help make them more useful.

[@namekiannameless2752]

their cannon balls can turn in air though, however, they looks like the AoE catapult payload and those have huge blast radii

[@-Raylight]

Slavs with their multiple researches be like *"I'm hitting you from four pararrels ahead of you"* So AoE2 = Area of Effect 2? 😂 8:32 Lmao, I didn't expect that unit

[@chingamfong]

If you enable Logistica for a range unique unit, say Longbow, in a modded civ, will the arrow do trample damge? And if you research it 256 times, will you have medieval ICBM like Ethiopian torsian engine?

[@ehk5948]

Thanks spirit the video........WAS A BLAST!

[@UnDeaDCyBorg]

So what would happen if I gave a War Elephant Logistica? Would it have (24-armour)/2 + 5 trample damage, or (29-armour)? And would the secondary Projectiles from Organ guns potentially deal blast damage? (They're probably at 0 accuracy, so practically not really).

[@evanrudibaugh8772]

I really wish the game makers used precise terms. They might as well say "researching this will cause your units to do marklar."

[@Farhanfair]

You should check Roman vs Barbarians V3

[@Spetnaz23]

I'm wondering if the siege ram bonus against trebuches works when they're packed. Unpacked it's litterally a building, as the unit converts itself into a foundation of the unpacked version to build on so to me it sounds logic that it takes the "bulding bonus dmg", but I'm curious to see if it applies to the packed version that should be considered as a simple siege unit and not a "siege building".

[@terrybruce6997]

Great vid :)

[@cmoreshead]

Just had a very confusing moment as a Donut Media KZbin video played and someone was explaining the math behind aerodynamic drag as An Evening at the Museum by Moss Harman played in the background. SotL folks will recognize that song anywhere, even in an automotive context...

[@christopherg2347]

Does the Sicilian bonus affect any of the Trample Damage variants?

[@RobotShield]

Replying so I can also find out the answer

[@carlpult5235]

thats why it used to be represented by a mangonel in the unit icon.

[@platomaker]

Been playing for a decade, never seen a firetower.

[@namekiannameless2752]

kurikara in coop campaign is a great opportunity for seeing one it is added in after FE or something so old players won't know about it

[@88Nieznany88]

Same. Not gonna lie I kinda wonder if it has extra damage Vs towers now.

[@federicorios9146]

You are the Best :)

Can you trigger blast/splash/trample damage by attacking nothing?

[@justincronkright5025]

I play the Vietnamese I'm curious when war elephants are involved let us say versus Boyars & versus Halberdiers. We'll have the former at 11 armour & the latter at 4 armour - is it that the 25% trample gets worked out as 16-11 = 5/4 =1.25 damage trampled onto Boyars, but 16-4 =12/4 = 3 damage trampled onto halberdiers I assume.

[@arcomegis9999]

Now that you actually mention Fire Towers, they just look strange. You know how in castles there are people operating a tower that showers molten oil ? I'd rather they have that. As in, they melt through units. Fire Tower is like a lame version of fireships.

[@andrewmackenzie9061]

Does the Cataphract's damage bonus cancellation trait/ability also cancel the trample from Druzina?

[@dojelnotmyrealname4018]

The type 1 trample damage ignoring hill bonuses might be because it might apply to all targets at once and would cause weird issues fighting on slopes? Just thinking as a programmer.

[@guardyangel]

I haven't played AoE2 in more than 15 years and still watch all SoTL videos without exception! AoE2 is a religion and SoTL its priest ❤️

[@he_carnation]

"No Spearmen are harmed making this Film"

[@mikelivingood7797]

Could you do a video on why scout rush is popular in Empire Wars?

[@JD-us8xw]

What happens if an Ethiopian player with torsion engines converts a British treb with warwolf?

[@dansol580]

Nothing. Torsion engines only affect siege workshop units. Edit: Oh, and Ethiopians don't have redemption anyway.

[@JD-us8xw]

@@dansol580 Ah dang forgot about that

[@brph-js8jn]

can you do a video with custom scenerio/campaign units?

[@claytonknowles25]

I’ve been wondering, is it worth it to build a second lumber camp after the next two rows of trees have been cut down? Is the 100 wood spent worth the villager walk time? It’s just another video idea that I think might be interesting🤷🏽‍♂️

[@sandralenardova9944]

I get why mangonel damage isn't symmetrical front to back, but why aren't the sides symmetrical, doing slightly more to the right?

[@rialvita7141]

I'm surprised there's still not a civilization that uses and leaves greek fire on the ground doing dot with a unique siege unit, given greeks, chinesse and japanesse eventually had weapons using this.

[@gideonbryant9259]

Which civilization that has fire tower?

[@navataru]

Yoo! What are those fire towers?! I've never seen them in the 20 years I've played and seen this game! We need those towers in actual game play. Or make those the method of attack for murder holes and towers / castles can fire arrows like normal while murder hole does its own thing. Would also be more historically accurate

[@georgeprchal3924]

And now I'm wondering what it would be like if Teutonic Knights did adjacent damage.

[@md.fahim-ul-islamsourav495]

Top 5 naval civilization plz🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@segmentsAndCurves]

Portuguese.

[@crusherjoe9839]

Slav's druzhina, no effect when slavs convert enemy infantry? Someone do that make-your-own-civ thing so we can see Tknights that have fast attack speed and splash damage.

[@Arashiav]

What about deleting the Onager right after it fires? Is that still a thing, or fixed?

[@SuperLP4E]

What happens to the blast radius when chemistry is researched? It became smaller or it remain the same?

[@annaairahala9462]

why does any damage occur on other units at all if the accuracy is 0% for the fire tower? Does the blast damage only occur when it hits the wrong target or is it more like the organ gun?

[@HekkenDarkstorm]

Here's a question for you, why is it that a lot of the time, (I play the Conquerors), the AI like giving me most of their resources. Is this a team tactic to get me attacked first, or to force me to advance?

[@mikelivingood7797]

Do you have any plans for Empire Wars videos? Hera just put up a few videos and said all the pros are playing Empire Wars. I would imagine Microsoft is sponsoring more Empire Wars tournaments.

[@RobotShield]

But it’s all controlled by one field in the database? Or are the separate fields? I.E. you can’t give a unit trample AND blast damage?