Everything Wrong with WH40K's Vehicle Design: Imperial Guard

[@Spookston]

Sorry for the heavy use of model pictures, there aren't many good game models of 40K vehicles, and some Dawn of War models aren't accurate, like the Leman Russ' turret being way too big and having sponson guns by default.

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

I, personally, don't mind the models. That is what most people know 40K from, anyways.

[@redeye3869]

That’s ok.

[@redeye3869]

Are there plans for the AdMech vehicles?

[@scottland8698]

I like the models personally but hey, I own a guard army with plenty of tanks

[@NetizenNo]

I see someone plays Ultimate Apocalypse

[@TheJesus_Christ]

>complains about the bunk beds in the baneblade. >no mention of the one techpriest in the baneblade, at a desk with a small library.

[@shashakomairos4131]

what the fuck?

[@kapitankapital6580]

Well that's necessary to appease the Machine Spirit.

[@darkninjacorporation]

Best job in the Imperium, official tank whisperer

[@gunnerr8476]

Just imagine minding your own business in the Baneblade, and you hear a techpriest chanting in binary language in his room.

[@darkninjacorporation]

Assault Gunner imagine minding your own business, chanting in binary, then your little desk room gets filled with the flames of an ammunition detonation

[@julopabene8736]

>"Watch out for the gun because every time you fire your kneecaps are gonna be inverted" >not something you want to hear Sounds pretty 40k to me

[@Spookston]

I suppose one would be willing to sacrifice the orientation of their kneecaps for the Emperor.

[@battleoid2411]

"Congratulations, you have been selected to command an Executioner pattern tank, be sure to pray to the machine spirit and the omnissiah every 4.2345322 minutes and only fire the main gun when the positronic void quarks align or you *will* blow up"

[@impguardwarhamer]

tbh i wonder if its plausable to assume that the russ has some kind of cycling mechanism that doesn't involve it recoiling back that far

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

Let's be real here. Having your kneecaps inverted is probably the most mundane problem you are likely to run into while serving the Imperial Guard. Murderfucked by Daemons, tortured by space elves, converted by space communists, burned alive, etc. Lots of terrible things can be done to you in the 41st Millenium. Kneecaps honestly don't sound like such a bad thing.

[@nounoursvert8448]

@@nicholaswalsh4462 Wait, I don't know much about 40k but... Does it involves just fantasy with *space* put in front of everything ? Like... Since there are space commies, are there space nazies ? Or space marxists that constanty complain that people say they're commies ? Are there space fuel station ? Space Walmart ? Is this just a space-fantasy written by a 13yo that says that "space[stuff]" is better than [stuff] because it's in space ?

[@JackDuripper]

Telling stale jokes over and over is just a metaphor for how the Imperium has been stagnant for 10,000 years.

[@mediocremason]

Idk... sounds like Hersey to me...

[@connorofawesome]

@@mediocremasonyou sound like a 40k pleb to me...

[@mediocremason]

@@connorofawesome and you kinda sound like a heretic... -but I'm just fooling around if you wanna know-

[@MrPhil360]

This is not in the codex BROTHER.....

[@docvaliant721]

The repeat of the same jokes gets on my nerves.

[@WellBattle6]

“Not enough hatches for baneblade crew members.” Well, I mean if you want to abandon a 1000 year relic and be executed by commissar, you’re free to leave.

[@emperorschampion8471]

WellBattle6 my thinking exactly

[@wallamazoo01]

Not to mention, the finger prints needed to open the hatches don't belong to any of the crew. That could cause a mutiny!

[@SusCalvin]

There was rules for that in early 40.000. Each vehicle had a certain amount of crew. Usually typical soldiers for that army, or sometimes servitors, armed with a pistol. They had a chance to pop hatches and bail out of a disabled vehicle. There was different hit results, where a hit on a vehicle could disable the tracks or turret. Or a hit could kill the crew, leaving less people inside to drive, man guns etc. Crews had a roll to pop out from a destroyed vehicle, regroup and fight on with their little las pistols. In hindsight, this meant consulting a lot of charts, rolling a few dice, making decisions and consulting morale results just to see if a little half-squad of guys with lasguns would leg it towards the table edge or not.

[@許進曾]

Well we got a simple answer to that, "MAKE A FXKING NEW ONE". Are those tech priest brain dead or stupid enough to be unable to produce new weapon, if so than imperial is already doomed.

[@SusCalvin]

@@許進曾 There's people producing new baneblades. They're not cheap to make, compared to a less complex russ. You can usually salvage the baneblade, repair it and fill it with a new crew. These things can be hundreds of years old because the empire makes them to last that long. You can be handed a still working plasma pistol that's older than you.

[@SpanishDio]

> *"Escaping the Tank"* Imperial Guard: We don't do that here.

[@thelvadam2884]

Ye, because why care about the people fighting your wars right? Ain't sounding like a Community I want to be a part of,sorry.

[@SpanishDio]

@@thelvadam2884 That's Warhammer for ya' the best Sci Fi Universe by far.

[@thelvadam2884]

@@SpanishDio I disagree, everyone his own. But mine heart is with Halo.

[@SpanishDio]

@@thelvadam2884 Oh don't get me wrong I love the Halo Universe too it's in the top 3 for me, specially the Human-Covenant War, Halo is by far the game I have most hours on, literally thousands and thousands, but I like the ridiculous deep Lore of WH40K I've been reading 40k since 2015 and I'm still discovering new wars, battles and things about this universe.

[@thelvadam2884]

@@danialzkz6594 Read up my name in the halo wikia, u seem to not being teached who iam , big mouth for such a little man.

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

"Beware of the gun because every time it fires your kneecaps are gonna be inverted." To be fair the IG does fire plasma which is basically "beware of the gun because every time it fires it might explode into a miniature sun on your hands" so you know... not out of character for them.

[@DezzarTac]

To be fair: not in 8th edition.

[@homelesstvh7737]

@Demiclea thanks to Cawl plasma weapons don't have "gets hot" by default. Though you can supercharge them to get a damage increase and the risk of overheating returns.

[@torinjones3221]

And also probably gives you cancer but you won't live long enough for that to become a concern.

[@akikubel710]

Cawl basically shared how to turn them off that setting. resulting in significantly safer weapons. with reduced damage.

[@helsreach8954]

@@akikubel710 so that means more dakka?

[@aname848]

"It could use an autoloader" The Adeptus Mechanicus hoarding all the autoloaders:So you have chosen...... life as a servitor

[@kirknay]

it doesn't help that the Adeptus believe that you must pray to the autoloader every time you use it.

[@Selvanus]

kirknay it’s not just a belief, it’s to appease the machine spirit (the sentient, “natural” life inside a machine). If they didn’t appease it it just would go “fuck you this is slavery”.

[@Darkcerve]

Machine spirits are not real though, mechanicus simply doesn't understand how their machines actually work.

[@oakwhelie]

"You weak flesh are skipping mandatory prayers again? Heh, i guess its time for another man of iron."

[@funbro99]

@@Selvanus no what will actually happen is "oh so ya didnt appease me today? well guess what..im just gonna randomly JAM now becuase by your belifes that is now possible"

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

>You can't escape from the tanks when they're on fire. I feel like in the case of the Imperium, that's intentional. The tank is probably literally more valuable to the Imperium than the people inside of it, especially in the case of something like the Baneblade. I'm not even talking about the Mechanicus, there are legitimately Russ variants that are bordering on extinction because the one planet that made their gun got eaten by Tyranids or taken by the Orks. If anything, they probably take the World War 1 mindset of "don't issue parachutes to the pilots so their survival is tied to the plane's", and apply that to the tank. If you survival depends on the tank, and you can't easily escape a stricken vehicle, you are going to do everything in your power to make sure that vehicle gets through the engagement. Remember, this is the faction that executes troops for retreating. Not every Commissar is Cain.

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

Most commissars dont just go BLAM BLAM all over the place though. They are human too, so only the more douchy ones are trigger happy, and read on Fanfiction Avoiding Stupid Deaths in Warhammer 40k. It has an entry for dumb trigger happy idiot commissars.

[@kingxkai1179]

I get 40k is over the top but that detail there jus sounds silly

[@НиколайИванов-в8ы1я]

Kingx Kai117 YOUR FIGHTING DURING AN INCURSION @ TANK GETS HIT BY SOME DAEMON SPACE MAGIC @ YOU’VE ROLLED OVER THE CASTER ANYWAY @ THE NEXT HIT TAKES OUT A HALF A TON TRACKLINK @ YOU AND YOUR BUDDY GET OUT AND WALK TO THE BROKEN PART @ GRASS MADE OUT OF BLEEDING PENISES UNDER YOUR FEET CONTINUES TO SQUIRM @ FLIES THE SIZE OF A FIST JUST HURLED UP AND CARRIED A SUPPORTING VEHICLE AWAY @ This is over the top, vehicles being more valuable than their crews is stated in every piece of imperial lore.

[@kingxkai1179]

Николай Иванов To each his own I guess...

[@chrismath149]

Then what happens if they want to conduct field repairs? Or get food? Quickly resupply between two battles? Getting in and out of the tank fast is not only useful if you have to escape from it.

[@johnclement189]

Tank crew : phew we escaped before the tank explode. Commissar : excuse me?

[@SusCalvin]

The old rules let you do that. 2-5 crewmen were inside a vehicle, and they could pop out a hatch and keep shooting with their laspistols on the enemy.

[@Yertle_Turtle]

@@SusCalvin las pistols!? what are those, keychain led lights?

[@SusCalvin]

@@Yertle_Turtle It's a pistol weapon. They also have Strength 3, just like a lasgun or an autogun/autopistol. They have shorter range but a model can carry them with one hand, letting them carry a close combat weapon or a second pistol or a shield. The effect of two weapons was a little different between editions. In 3rd, the pistol+sword combo gave you +1 attack, as it counted as two close combat weapons. And unlike two swords, the pistol could be fired as you ran up on dudes.

[@SusCalvin]

@@Yertle_Turtle There was micro weapons. They're archeotech or xenos devices where the power of a pistol is packed into a small device like a ring. Or a keychain if you like.

[@pancytryna9378]

I know it's just a joke but actually it's perfectly fine for a crew to abandon their vehicle

[@derptomistic]

"Eliminate the heretics at all costs!" "But commissar! What about our survival?" *"Survival is a secondary objective!"*

[@teoborges3949]

**Prepare many strategic mine field's and suicidal point's for them invade** "nice choice!"

[@BiscuitHead22]

"Guardsman, you will recline respectfully when I tuck you into your bunk bed and listen with rapt attention as I read you an uplifting bedtime story."

[@magmat0585]

reminds me a bit of Half-Life Blue Shift. The game straight up tells you that in case of an emergency, Barney's priority is protecting the facility, secondary priority is the lives of the science team, and that his own personal safety is of "low importance"

[@awaisabdulrehman]

Basically, war of attrition in a nutshell.

[@arturs3696]

>Escaping the tank >Imperial Guard Clearly if the tanks on fire you have failed the Emperor.

[@gokbay3057]

>escapes the tank >gets executed by the Comissar So yeah it really isn't worth trying to escape

[@essexclass8168]

>escapes tank >too important to shoot >sent to retake tank from a now entrenched enemy

[@AFnord]

@@essexclass8168 Nobody is too important to shoot!

[@essexclass8168]

@@AFnord most titan and baneblade crews are, by commissars anyway they'd rather shoot Planetary Governors and Space Marines than the two above

[@SWIFTO_SCYTHE]

YOU ABANDONED THE TANK??? The tank is more important than your life we can replace the tankman not the tank!

[@shakurasender5583]

In the Grim Darkness of the Far Future, there are no kneecaps.

[@lucky-lu6tc]

"Pewdiepie wants to know your location"

[@Spacefrisian]

Wait till you see Astartes Terminator armor and try to fit someone in that armor.

[@iconicusensign9624]

Just Get some Bionic Kneecaps and you'll be fine.

[@jehova131]

The main reason why tank commanders usually have cybernetic legs

[@CrusaderSports250]

This is why on my models the hatch is moved to the side, with an extra hatch on the other side of the turret. The commanders hatch has a slight bulge on the turret side maybe not ideal but it looks good. I am in the process of converting my basilisks by moving the gun forward and down looking like a slab sided Hetzer, hull down and use it for tank sniping!.

[@pennsylvaniafellow4409]

The bunk beds in the Baneblade would be quite useful on worlds where you couldn't sleep outside but perhaps separate armored personal carriers would be useful for that purpose

[@elliotyourarobot]

Or on the floor or on the flat spaces on the tank. Heard tankers sleep on their tanks or around them.

[@kirknay]

@@elliotyourarobot You want a bed for the driver of panzer? just fire off a few rounds, and give him a pillow. The Pz. IV had an ammo rack right behind the driver's head.

[@scottland8698]

Toss Off it makes even more sense when you consider that there are some environments that you can’t wear and suit and survive in, im Pretty sure tallarn got virus bombed during the Hersey and then a massive tank battle took place there cause there was no way for infantry to survive so the bunks make sense in that scenario

[@sill5876]

I don't know... I feel like life expectancy for tank crew deploying to usual WH40k combat zone is so low, that they shouldn't be worried about such luxuries as sleeping.

[@wraithdino1217]

@@sill5876 I would think that the crew of a baneblade is quite senior due to the importance of the tank and thus they would probably want to be better accommodated than your average crew(a baneblade is quite the step up from a leman russ and thus it would probably be expected to last for more than a few engagements)

[@dasirrlicht5415]

Reminder that the Chimera is actually a tractor, according to STC. Variants of the Chimera are the most common vehicle in the guard. This means most vehicles of the guard are futuristic Bob Semple Tanks.

[@kalzhae]

that's literally the point. after all most STC used for guards tank came from what is supposed to be a STC vault for ealy colonisation from the golden age : aka stuff easy to produce with low industrial capacity that would likely be replaced

[@dakotaadams189]

In old fluff that was the Leman Russ, and the Chimera was a straight Imperial home-brew. I miss when the early Imperium inventing their own designs was still canon.

[@yosefyonin6824]

looks like the imperium got the right idea then, Bob Semple is hands down, the best tank of WW2

[@firesturmgaming]

Well its a 60 ton tractor to be exact. But that's the space marine version. Which is something else entirely.

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

Imperium gear is basically just a truck with a machine gun on the top.

[@skinner014569]

Video: Mentions lack of hatches for escape. Guardsman: Wait, your allowed to leave!?

[@SusCalvin]

There was rules for this, but they were abstracted away. The crew was considered a separate element of vehicles, where a vehicle would consist of several subsystems. A hit could damage tracks, take out the turret rotation, shake around or kill the crew etc. It was possible to pop hatches, leave a tank and fight on with your little laspistol.

[@ummdustry5718]

Lack of hatches on a baneblade seems pretty imperium honestly, the tankers are all worth less than the tank and would be expected to die alongside it. But yah neat video.

[@TidusleFlemard]

For Lemann Russ? yeah! The poor sods are lightly trained and put immediately into action. For Baneblades? It's a different story... While not as important assets as Legio Titanicus crews, Baneblades crews are highly trained and protected by the Imperium.

[@lordofdarkdudes]

@@TidusleFlemard Even so baneblades are built by tech priests..... Who do you think they value most?

[@Marinealver]

@@TidusleFlemard but the baneblade is still considered more valuable than the crew. After all they are under the constant supervision of one of the Omnissiah's own.

[@essexclass8168]

@@TidusleFlemard Wars have been fought over Baneblade wrecks

[@essexclass8168]

EG Fortress of Arrogance The crews are still worth a lot less than a Baneblade wreck, forget disabled Baneblade

[@ArxInvicta]

Mars Engineering Facility: "Okay and now we just need to make sure the guardsmen in the tank can escape if the tank gets destroyed" *A few seconds of silence then engineers and commissars laughing* "That one never gets old, now build that thing so they can die for the emperor."

[@SusCalvin]

There was rules mechanics for that, back when a vehicle wasn't a single abstracted piece. There was more components to it, like tracks and engine and turrets and crew. The crew could potentially survive a wreck and leave to fight on with their little laspistols.

[@bluecaptainIT]

@@SusCalvin from what I've seen in the comment section, this is what would usually happen afterwards: "Okay, Baneblade INOP, I'll roll to get the crew out" *2 hours later* "Okay, after reading trough all the mechanics for this specific action, throwing the dices and double checking the rules, I have saved 5 healthy crewmates, 3 more without a pistol, 1 critically wounded and the Techpriest on board. The commander is dead, so my men have reduced morale. Finally... Turn over. What do you want to do?" "I use Da Jump to get my units in melee range. WAAGH time!" "Ooooh, you mother- FUUUUUUUUUU"

[@SusCalvin]

@@bluecaptainIT It doesn't look too complicated if you just have to do it for one tank. Roll a simple save for each model on board. Everyone has the same chance there, just remember to roll separately for characters and any model with a special weapon. So a lump of rolls for the basic crew, they are all normal infantry with a pistol weapon. The crew normally doesn't have special weapons with them or characters. If they had a squad on board, you roll for them. One clump of rolls for the standard iggies with lasguns, one for the power sword sergeant and one for the attached commissar that came along for a ride. The same applies there, either a model gets out and you can place it near the exit point, or it doesn't and dies immediately. You could upgrade vehicles with better escape hatches, but all vehicles had escape hatches as standard. I don't know if open-topped vehicles had different rules for escaping and dismounting. But a squad of five guys with pistols wasn't a total knockover then. Five dudes with pistols is what a normal ork squad could be.

[@metalltitan]

Considering the things that the IG fights on a regular base, I'd wager to say that most crews would much rather prefer to burn up inside their vehicles than go out and confront what killed the tank in the first place.

[@pancytryna9378]

Heresy! Now get your pistol and shoot at that deamon prince.

[@SusCalvin]

That's what happened in the old rules. The crew was a separate piece of the vehicle. If a vehicle was entirely useless, they could pop out and defend themselves with their laspistols. Or you could get a result where the engine and tracks are out, but the crew stays on to keep firing the turret gun. Vehicles weren't abstracted into a single entity.

[@EnclaveGeneral]

"An incredibly stale joke?" I don't know, man. Sounds a lot like heresy to me.

[@negativezero8174]

The Heretic does not think as we do. It will say anything to save itself despite it's honor being at risk.

[@ezariogerion3138]

@@negativezero8174 THE HERETIC HAS NO HONOR!

[@nate742]

Heresy is no joke.

[@red-eyesblackknight7192]

We have failed in emperor so we would die honorable death by Beat Out the heresy.

[@florianwilke2162]

FYI: The baneblade has also 2 hatches underneath the hull so you could crawl out of it. It seems in the grim dark future of the 41st Millennium, there are no AT mines.

[@electricboxers9043]

Its not entirely crazy I think, if the tank was disabled at the main hull or debris fell on to the upper hatches its a good emergency hatch to have, and if they were AT mines they'll be dead either way. ....But then again, this is a tank 2 stories high with +11 guns on it, so sense is definitely not a main priority....

[@XtreemAlan]

In what situationin would you require the cure to escape from underneath a Bandeblade And no, I doubt it’s easy to flip a Baneblade over

[@BrenBrenMartin]

There have been real tanks with bottom opening hatches. The M47 had one for the driver, and other tanks did too.

[@electricboxers9043]

@@XtreemAlan This is 40k, where the Guard fights building sized monsters, Titans and demonic entities on a daily basis, Im sure each faction has multiple answers to your situation.... Plus, I described a situation above. Maybe debris falls on it blocking the hatches or something has blown up the upper hull? Baneblade's a big tank for 10 people so bottom hatches for the lower crew would be pretty benificial

[@electricboxers9043]

@@BrenBrenMartin Thats quite interesting to know actually, thanks

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

The Baneblade is actually unlikely to be employed in a defensive position. Super Heavy Tank Regiments are not wasted on such mundane tasks. Any Munitorum official who says otherwise is liable to be executed for treason and heresy. Rather, they would be deployed during offensives to support a breakthrough. As the Guard says, "Infantry win firefights, tanks win battles, artillery win wars."

[@sirshotty7689]

Piles of dead kriegsmen win sectors

[@spacewolfblackmane19]

@@sirshotty7689 piles? I think you mean mountains man.

[@sirshotty7689]

Space Wolf Black Mane well piles is a very broad term, it can be anywhere between fifty million to one and a half trillion

[@spacewolfblackmane19]

@@sirshotty7689 true

[@nicholaswalsh4462]

@@spacewolfblackmane19 it's honestly irrelevant. The casualties don't matter as long as victory is achieved.

[@ottovonbismarck7646]

I like the Imperial Guard and their standardization. Many vehicles share the same chassis, and I like that type of stuff. It makes the Guard feel more like actual, regular humans making do with what they've got to stem the endless onslaught of xenos and Heretics. Also, Basilisks do have printle mounts. Every Guard vehicle has an optional printle mount. I also personally think the Leman Russ is too short, lengthwise, to actually be effective for the Guard as well.

[@essexclass8168]

The Leman Russ is more or less an eternal stop gap measure

[@ottovonbismarck7646]

@@essexclass8168 doesn't mean they cant extend the length of the vehicle. Because how tall and stout it is, the tank would probably have severe balancing issues. Going over all but the smallest of inclines would send this thing tumbling down like a sad rock. The tracks also seem a bit too small for the tank this size, and would probably snap everytime it tried to turn.

[@AbstractTraitorHero]

@@ottovonbismarck7646 Sadly changing the chassis in such a way would undoubtedly be heresy. Or well good thing. Since The Imperium does need to fall.

[@ottovonbismarck7646]

@@AbstractTraitorHero you dare spread such Heresy on my Imperial website!? The Inquisition should have you executed!!!

[@anthonyallmond3682]

@@AbstractTraitorHero then maybe human

[@ristinritarit]

"It would be better to lose some auxiliary guns.." "NOO!! More dakka is more dakka and more dakka is always better than less dakka."

[@plaidpvcpipe3792]

3:24 In the Imperial Guard codex, they write that it is so loud inside of a superheavy tank that many veteran crewmen who leave go insane because it is so quiet. Also, a Baneblade should always be ready for combat, being one of the most important assets a regiment can have.

[@SusCalvin]

It's one use they have for the bunks. If the crew sleeps in shifts, they can have it in continuous operation.

[@Inactive_Account29283]

Tbh thats kinda grimderp and most people see grimderp stuff as not canon like how marnius calgar is able to lift a necron pylon And also that doesnt even make sense like there is nothing in the human brain that makes you comfortable and want to stay near loud sound

[@plaidpvcpipe3792]

@@Inactive_Account29283 i totally agree.

[@zafranorbian757]

The new breakdown seems indeed much better than the old pros vs cons version. I still hope that the vote will allow you one day to make a video about Valkyria Chronicles tanks.

[@aaronbasham6554]

I mean, aside from the game weaknesses, they are fun designs

[@malachilewis96]

The specs for the vehicles in Valkyria Chronicles are in the glossary in the game.

[@jiado6893]

I know it’s not as big a franchise, but I would love to hear him talk about Batallion Wars!

[@malachilewis96]

That would be cool to. I really like battalion wars.

[@vanillaicecream2385]

the problem with trying to do what he's doing is that 40K IS A BATSHIT INSANE THING WHERE THERE ARE DEMONS AND ORKS AND SPACE ELVES WITH LASERS THERE IS NO NORMALITY YOU CANT COMPARE THIS TO REAL LIFE YOU HERETIC Edit: and yes i know calling him a heretic is stale but so is every other joke about 40k

[@jonlewis6357]

There is an actual in universe explanation for why the russ uses ww2 engines. Iirc Old ass STCs that the golden age humans saved for historical purposes, and mechanicus will only ever use pre-designed STCs

[@Delta-es1lg]

I refuse to believe that the literal golden age of humanity couldn't come up with a better engine than the one on the Panther

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

@@Delta-es1lg This is almost certainly the case - but it also probably means the STC the Mechanicus uses is based off of a bunch of WW2 Re-enactors, which is probably the most Mechanicus thing ever.

[@20Waldlaeufer02]

Also, the more advanced engine would probably be too complicated to produce or even understand

[@RocketHarry865]

@@Delta-es1lg The leman russ is probably the 40k equivalent of the New Zealand Bob Semple tank practically designed from an agricultural tractor and given armour and weapons. Unlike the Bob Semple at least the Leman Russ has a marginal combat capability against things heavier than infantry with rifles.

[@luckiller019]

@@RocketHarry865 this, so much this. Through out the 40k community we should start using Bob Semple rule as a way to explain Imperium technology.

[@drakonna6281]

Do one on chaos converted tanks, id love to see you try to make sense of tanks full of putrid flesh or enraged meat tentacles attatched to the tanks(mainly refering to plague bearer, nurgle baneblade but there is plenty other chaos tanks too)

[@y1751]

FUCKING THIS

[@nowhereman6019]

Warp Tech: It just works.

[@papanurgle8393]

I'll give you the scoop; They don't make sense *AT* *ALL* And that's the point.

[@nowhereman6019]

@@papanurgle8393 praise be His Poopiness, The Stink Father!

[@valtersplume3726]

A Plaguebearer is a Daemon of Nurgle. A Baneblade of Nurgle is called Plaguereaper.

[@UnicornstalkRGaming]

"The turret is well made for ballistic protection.." Xenos: *Laughing in energy weapons*

[@gabryblynd8058]

laugh in the fucking distortion cannon

[@judedeschamps2369]

​@@gabryblynd8058 Necrons: *Laughs in Molecular Annihilator*

[@gabryblynd8058]

@@judedeschamps2369 also necrons: laughs in celestial orrey

[@gamingwolf6735]

@@gabryblynd8058 Tau:Laughs in railgun

[@alotosius]

"It dose not have enough hatches for the crew to escape" Escape was never an option in 40k.

[@SusCalvin]

There was rules for how to use hatches in early 40.000. But the rules for vehicles have been more simplified and abstracted. I don't think they use the same method, where each vehicle was a bunch of separate systems that could fail individually. Turret, guns, tracks and engine. And crew. They could pop out of a wreck and fight on with their little laspistols as an independent little squad of 2-5 dudes.

[@fanusobscurus]

Fun 40k fact: According to some sources, the Leman Russ is a farm tractor with the tech priest strapping on guns, and the Baneblade was a light tank.

[@mayroepstorff7239]

Oh it gets better.... It wasnt a Light Tank *it was a scout tank*

[@MrNigzy23]

@@mayroepstorff7239 This explains how Creed used to be able to infiltrate them behind a lamp-post.

[@battleoid2411]

@@mayroepstorff7239 If only the Imperium could find an STC for a heavy tank/MBT from the Baneblade's time. I imagine it would be able to bring down titans by itself.

[@mayroepstorff7239]

@@battleoid2411 Titans are odd.....because apparently they are super powerful.... But there were tanks that could mount Titan weapons as sponsons....and yeah

[@NinjaAO42]

@@mayroepstorff7239 I mean at least it follows the similar concept of tank destroyers and bunker busters

[@sar_ptolemy]

you underestimate the 40k fanbase in regards to stale jokes, and that part is that which is heresy

[@Garith000]

The joke broke before the guard

[@papanurgle8393]

It's gotten... *so* bad

[@AtomicFire1972]

Administratum approved jokes are the best jokes, you filthy heretics. I hope you enjoy being purged in holy prometheum for your blasphemy.

[@cargo_vroom9729]

I object to this comment on the grounds that it implies the 40k fanbase has more than one joke.

[@許進曾]

It is not heresy if you are not a 40k fanboy.

[@homelessswede9675]

Finally, my soul is at peace, i shall Now leave you for my place at the god emperors side

[@rasmuswittsell10]

The fact that the IG tank models are completely absurd aside, you have misunderstood practically every aspect of IG armoured warfare. Like it being defensive in nature. Also, the Leman Russ is not a purebred tank, but a STC chassis which, along many other uses, can also be configured as a fighting machine. This just happens to be its major use in the WH40K setting, where there is nothing but war. It's the most ubiquitious design imaginable, and consequentially a pretty bad tank design. When it comes to bunking inside the Baneblade, this makes a lot of sense, as it has to do with survival of the crew in extreme environments. These machines are most certainly designed to fight in many environments where the unprotected crew would suffocate, boil, freeze or get blown away if they were to step out of one of the hatches. And the idea that the crew might be bailing out to fight another day, is just so un-Empire of man, that you should not have brought the subject up. If you get shot for loosing your lasgun, what do you think happens when you return without the tank? Further more, the choice of more guns over more ammunition makes sense in an offense oriented vehicle, like any Russian AFV. The oposite is true in a more defensive tank, like the Merkava. (Excuse me using some real world examples.)

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

The idea that the crew goes down with the vehicle belies a complete lacknof understanding of armoured warfare. Tanks are cheap, especially in an essentially post scarcity industrial powerhous like the IoM. Trained crews however are very valuable, because not only do you need to dig up men with the intelligence, initiiative and courage to fulfill the role, then you have to gather the technical knowledge and tactical acumen in one place with people good at teaching, and then spend two years training the crew to be worth anything at all in a fight. Meanwhile an automated factory will put a tank together from plate stock in two hours. This combined with the fact that situations which irrepairably damage a vehicle but leave some of the crew alive are very common, ensouring you have a way of safely recovering vehicle crews is an absolute top priority for any kind of vehicular warfare. Now, I do know the imperium is fond of being completely idiotic, but as long as we presume they aim to have their tankers give a better account of themselves than the iraquis did back in the gulf war, you can be safe ro assume they encourage the survival of their crews even if the vehicle gets knocked out.

[@vothbetilia4862]

@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Tanks are never considered cheap especially in real life, and even by imperial standards, baneblades are relic vehicles that are required with well trained crew and simply abandoning one, is very punishable by death or worse, the only time you would exist the vehicle is for scout purposes and refueling. "Trained crews are very valuable" not when you have the population over exceeding billions, it doesn't not matter much, crew members get replaced all the time with another, just like real life. That being said going down with the tank is better then having to stay outside against other enemy armour or Tyranids warriors and such. And the case of tank crews in the Imperium of man, they die in glory, and go down fighting. Nothing to do with lack of understanding armoured warfare, I also find it funny you compare 40k to real life, when the setting in 40k is nothing like our reality. And if they even bother following the same rules as ours, they would lose more tank divisions then normally.

[@richardlew3667]

Arguing about logic in the 40K universe is like arguing who's the good and bad guys

[@bluecaptainIT]

Ooooh, so there's none. Except Orks and Tyranids, I guess.

[@RukaGoldheart]

@@bluecaptainIT but are they good or bad?

[@bluecaptainIT]

@@RukaGoldheart depends if you're one of them or on the receiving end of their melee attacks.

[@RukaGoldheart]

@@bluecaptainIT Well I can say one thing, the only race really having fun are the orks.

[@bleachdrinker6915]

@@bluecaptainIT there not bad orks do it to live and tyranids don't have morals

[@Guardsman123]

The Nids technically have tanks but I don’t think you wanna look at them unless you have a biology degree

[@queencyrys6309]

Only so many ways to bring up Square Cube Law before you get bored

[@jiado6893]

It would be more of a Walker video than a tank video.

[@TheSpearkan]

If you want to bring up xenos vehicles you really should start with the Tau

[@essexclass8168]

@@queencyrys6309 The Tyranids are secretly filled with float gas and therefore benefit from the Square Cube Law

[@Alpostpone]

I kinda wished for a more in-depth look. "Imperial Guard tanks" are a massive topic, and you could make a whole series just out of nitpicking on them. Between all the unhinged fun, GWS has added a lot of questionable details over the years in the interest of complete fluff. I hadn't even realized there were bunk beds on BB or Panther engine on LR. The more one gets into details, hte more insane the whole thing gets. It's all for good fun, but still amusing to point out. But I realize there are time constraints and view count probably wouldn't justify it. Thanks for making this, quality nitpickery is always welcome.

[@jonc8074]

the thing is the models are designed for tabletop miniatures. they have exaggerated some bits and reduced others to create an over the top sci fi aesthetic when viewed across a table. You might want to search for some interviews with the model designers that explain the design constraints Citadel and GW set out for themselves. realism definitely takes a back seat to visibility, paintability, lore and generally cartoonish badassitude

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

@@jonc8074 I would much prefer if the people who create the lore disnt try to shoehorn in things completely contradictory to the aesthetic spirit and look of the models. For example the lemon early has a short barrel howitzer of some kind as its primary weapon, but someone at geedubs realized that would make for a relatively poor AT gun, and retconned it as a 120mm, cause thats what the chally has, so it must be sensible right. To be quiet honest, abandoning the 80s actionmovie satire sillyness is what has been the greatest failing of 40k lore.

[@guywhodoesntspeakenglish5872]

Cannon : **fires** Commander's kneecaps : my time has come.

[@bificommander]

I used to be a tank commander like you. Then I took a gun breach to the knee.

[@m1a1abramstank49]

Reminds me of the Blacktail Defense tank, CO hatch right behind the breach

[@m1a1abramstank49]

ALEX HUANG Search up ‘Blacktail Defense tank’

[@philipkelly7369]

I saw one other comment touching on it but I'd also like to bring it up: yes, the Imperial Guard is mostly going to be fighting defensive battles, the Baneblade is noted for being used in primarily heavy assault/linebreaker type roles

[@nubnub2735]

“I think the guard would be most often be in a defensive position” you would think that wouldn’t you

[@tanith117]

That would be the PDF who are lucky to have Leman Russes and Don't have to use ww2 medium tank equivalents Like AT70s or the Ragnarock.

[@tau-5794]

@@tanith117 The Ragnarok is a weird tank, it's like a Leman Russ but cheaper, slower, and tougher. Why it has a KV-2 like turret despite only having a battle cannon is a mystery. You would think it would have a demolisher cannon to be more bunker-bustery, but no.

[@Farrell461]

Please talk about the Cobra from Halo. It’s technically a tank destroyer but you could discuss the merits of a rail gun on a tank.

[@geekchris105]

Oh no I'm commenting again. Most closed compartment artillery pieces require the crew to exit the compartment and fire remotely due to how deafening the gun is in a closed space (plus the risk of a breach failure). I don't think that an artillery piece using an open platform is the worst possible idea, as it defeats those two problems.

[@Mike-ukr]

According to the lore, the crew goes deaf anyway

[@lucass5980]

@@Mike-ukr Bruh moment

[@lucky-lu6tc]

@@Mike-ukr For the... emperor?

[@fulcrum2951]

So was the crew not given any form of ear protection? How on Terra were they be able to make long distance communications with the frontline units if they're deaf? Wh 40k, interesting to fiddle around and absurd

[@soupcake3092]

@@Mike-ukr In the vrax campaign a bunch of crew straight up died during a 24 hour long bombardment, but they should be fine for a while in more reasonable scenarios.

[@killfang9659]

Small request but could you do the tanks from the Gundam series next? The tanks. Not the 50 foot tall robots.

[@animedude34]

I think the Baneblade having beds is a throwback to its original as a scout vehicle, long term scouting.

[@Alex-xt1rr]

Ah yes scouting done the Steiner way.

[@thebloxxer22]

“IT IS THE BANEBLADE!” - Captain Diomedes

[@icecold3081]

Famous last words

[@vitoscaletta7151]

Valkyria Chronicles next?

[@jPlanerv2]

YES!!!!

[@leonardodibartolomeo7738]

I agree

[@guiltyxiphos1204]

What is that?

[@jPlanerv2]

@@guiltyxiphos1204 anime about tank crew

[@dylanstewart635]

guilty xiphos 120 Anime Baltic states/Finland vs imperial Germany/Russia

[@geekchris105]

"An autoloader may be better" there are merits to both autoloaders and manual loading, hence why the US abandoned development on M1 prototypes using autoloaders.

[@crocidile90]

For OUR sized ammo yes, but you can't really solo lift a 150+mm shell continuously fast (unless you have exo suits but, we don't have those) for any reasonable length, especially in high stress situations (i.e. war). So an auto loader would be more reasonable in the bane blade given how huge the shell is.

[@kirknay]

Have you tried going without an autoloader on a 16" gun? the crew of the Iowa's turret was mostly just to make sure it worked right.

[@ottovonbismarck7646]

I also like to think such tech is too "complex" for the Guard (i.e. the Mechanicus hoards it all for them, and only the Elite Forces of the Imperium get such fancy stuff)

[@eyeballpapercut4400]

@@ottovonbismarck7646 cue stormtrooper hellguns

[@Warriorcat49]

crocidile90 In the video, Spookston was talking about the 120mm of the Leman Russ when he said that.

[@holden_7597]

I honestly want to see how you feel about the Type 61 and Magellan Attack Tanks from Gundam. Along with the Hover Truck, and maybe the Guntank.

[@Spookston]

Are there any games that allow you a good, close up view of these vehicles?

[@LSDeIicious]

FINALLY IVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT THIS FOUR VIDS AGO. Unfortunately not, there's not a lot of games I know that feature the vehicle since most games that do are more focused on mobile suit warfare itself. There is also a limited amount of Info on the wiki but at that point it'd be more or less talking about their design and what few features are mentioned online. I'm really curious on your thoughts for the M61A5 (Type 16), I already got a feeling on what you would say about the Magellan.

[@GaldirEonai]

The Magella is probably the best example of Zeon's "we don't understand ground combat at all" problem. Not only is it a terrible design, it was an _intentionally_ terrible design, as in the mecha designer of the show wanted it to look awkward and weird.

[@andrehashimoto8056]

@@Spookston, there's a video (probably something to do with gunpla or the like) in YT that's about what you would see from a military PR propaganda video trying to "entice" youngsters into enlisting... It only shows one of the vehicles, the Twin cannon MBT

[@first-1233]

There is some footage of both of these tank in Ms igloo 2 i think you can use it

[@DragonHammer45]

The Leman russ is the most commonly used tank in the IG, if not the whole imperium. The number of variants and sub-variants out there are innumerable, and each forge world usually produces it's own variant of the venerable Leman Russ. I remember reading several novels that detailed Leman Russes using auto-loaders and three-man crews, there are obviously more out there that have varying speeds- the Conqueror pattern being one of the faster types. The Variant you talked about is the Lucius pattern I believe, and Lucious patterns tend to be focused more on reliability and ruggedness. As for the engine on the Leman Russ, when it says 'Multi fuel' it means *Multi Fuel* the Leman russ can actually run on anything that can burn, this even includes wood, coal, regular crude oil, alcohol, anything. So, yeah, the speed usually suffers and the engine needs maintenance from the tech-priest, but you cannot doubt the benefits of this. Also, when you mentioned that the resources spent on making a baneblade would be better spent on multiple smaller tanks, that's exactly what's happening. The Macharius Heavy Tank is exactly that- a second generation, smaller baneblade that's faster and has more 'sensible' weaponry. IE: Two Leman Russ Battlecannons. Or a giant fuck-off gattling gun

[@daaa3932]

Mars-Pattern Baneblades - the official Mechanicus-Approved design - have two large manually-operated hatches on each side, usually covered by additional armor plate, as well as access hatches on the back of the side sponsoons. For a potential total of 8 - not 4 - access points. I also know from personal experience that a manually operated hydraulic ram to assist loading makes loading 155mm shells quite easy for a single person... Also a cutaway on the Basilisk shows a conveyor belt ammo supply under the gun mount with the shells elevated onto the loading platform. The Loader reaches down and picks up the next round. Simple as that.

[@themightythirsty6017]

RIP kneecaps

[@bruvamichal7437]

adeptus mechanicus further experiments

[@germanvisitor2]

They don't rip. They get smashed.

[@thejonathan130]

Noooooo you didn't talk about the track size and weight distribution! I don't know why but it's one of those things I love when you touch on

[@Spookston]

I was under the impression most people didn't care about that, I'll be sure to touch on it in the future.

[@chaoticwj1772]

Spookston Yes! Please keep touching on that! It’s really interesting.

[@kalebk9595]

@@Spookston I enjoy you mentioning it, not may people consider it when analyzing tanks

[@thejonathan130]

@@Spookston Thanks! you're one of the most entertaining tank guys on youtube

[@NexusWarior211]

thejonathan130 He also did not talk about the sponsons, hull gun, oversized gun for supposed caliber, ammo storage and alot of other things too.

[@flippedstug9517]

I wonder if some of the problems with the Baneblade are solved by some of the other Mars-pattern variants. There's a bunch of different versions, so there's probably one or two that solve some of the major issues.

[@Bublito]

''Which means that the turret crew has to scramble down in the hull of the tank to escape'' Some Mars Tech Priest in his cozzy foundry: *You mean they were supposed to survive?*

[@judahboyd2107]

3:34 "And that one flat bit is incredibly small." Don't forget the scale of that thing.

[@loganb7059]

Fun fact for you Spook, in the Golden Age of Technology, the Baneblade was a light tank. PS, would be cool to see practical redesigns of fictional vehicles, keeping to the main idea but fixing some of the big problems.

[@essexclass8168]

to be fair, almost every Imperial Vehicle seems to be hiding super secret functions/limits that were always there"

[@danielm.595]

@@essexclass8168 but do you think that the mechanicus would allow others to mess with their babies? ( PS: I don't know much about 40k lore )

[@essexclass8168]

@@danielm.595 oof fair enough, or even the Machines themselves letting humans use them to full potential for that matter

[@legionofyuri]

It wasn't a light tank because nowhere is that ever mentioned in official lore. That's just a joke fans made up and everyone seemed to think was real.

[@ВасилийМорозов-л7х]

I think the "light tank" myth appears to be a misunderstanding. It wasn't used as a light tank, rather it was tiny compared to the mighty Ordinatus machines. Light tank and small tank are very different things. T-90, for example, is quite smaller than the Abrams, but both are MBTs.

[@gunnerr8476]

If you read the novel, especially the one on Leman Russ tankers. A sudden stop (brake) is possible to break your bones, maybe even crushing your jaw. Heck, the whole tank basically broke every rules of Occupational Health And Safety.

[@Spookston]

Yea, I'm glad the novels aren't all "these machines are perfect and could win the war singlehandedly" like a lot of sci-fi universes do.

[@gunnerr8476]

Yes, the novels has interesting way of describing the way of the Leman Russ fighting and how to crew operates it as well.

[@Gorbag100]

well, it's the imperial guard. stopping a leman russ could be interpreted as trying to flee by an commissar, who would then shoot the entire crew for it.

[@helsreach8954]

Seem like 40k to me

[@RocketHarry865]

@@Gorbag100 What about stopping a leman russ for maximum firing stability

[@c.j.fedderson5541]

The bit after 1:37 just earn this video a solid like for making me laugh out loud. Nothing but quality content here.

[@Jkim890]

I imagine the IG’s war doctrine plays a lot into the tank design. From my understanding, they have an approach very reminiscent of many nations during WW1. Trench warfare and complicated defensive works in order to “hold the line” as is oft repeated. Offensives are conducted in blunt, massed waves in the general direction of the enemy and tanks are purpose-built for this infantry-support role with an emphasis on many guns to suppress the enemy in order for the infantry to close with them, as well as mopping up from close range any of the few fortifications that previous bombardments missed (likely from basilisks located far from the front lines). If they moved any faster, then the infantry wouldn’t be able to keep up on foot. Any maneuver warfare was likely left to specialist units or space marines (many of the xeno races such as the eldar or the Tau are much more adept at these tactics). Three other wildcard factors may be imperfect imitation of ancient STC’s, technological degradation over eons of imperial decline, and the need to look “cool” in order to inspire the innumerable ordinary and as-a-whole cowardly human conscripts to go face to face against galactic horrors the likes of which are not scene in almost any other fictional franchise.

[@Iron_potato40k]

the reason for the leman russ being so tall is that the original version had a shield generator that no one can produce anymore.

[@quimble2177]

Designing a vehicle with comf-ness and care for your soldiers Oooooooor Make vehicles that Maximise the chances of dying in holy fire, and Joining the Emperor's side. *My Inner Heretic is seething, I gotta go kill some Loyalists and Cleanse my soul*

[@johndane9754]

Yeah the guard's tank designs annoy the living hell out of me nowadays. That's what happens when you begin to learn a thing or two about tanks, why they were made the way they are, and how they're used.

[@johndane9754]

@@thepulle4722 Uh huh, and how does getting irritated with one part of 40k mean I don't like it?

[@essexclass8168]

I mean, canonically the people building them only begun to learn a thing or two about tanks, why they were made the way they are, and how they're used. and if you view it from that second point even the NI tank is an incredible design, and the Imperium's more or less them on a galactic level.

[@bajscast]

@@thepulle4722 'Cool' is subjective, you could view something that's more realistic as cooler than something that isn't.

[@steelbear2063]

@@bajscast Real war is, while horrible, is extremely boring to watch

[@AbstractTraitorHero]

@@johndane9754 I mean to be fair, think of all the tanks being made from shit stcs and built by incompetents and them being shit tanks starts making a lot of sense.

[@ishouldgetalif3]

Someone ask for an earth shaker?

[@yosefyonin6824]

shatter their skies!

[@CrusaderSports250]

One of the big speed limiters on Imperial Guard stuff would be the suspension, to be able to use higher speeds you need larger wheels and a compliant system otherwise the crew are not fit to operate, look at where the bearing boxes are (the round bulges on the side just above the tracks with a ring of bolts round them), the wheels would be very small making the vehicle only suitable for infantry support, when you read the design inspiration for them they were very influenced by the British first world war tanks, taking the tracks over the top does give good side access for the cost of more track weight and drag, you pays your money as they say!.

[@calmsea9005]

The leman Russ was a tractor first that us “upgraded” to a tank.

[@legionofyuri]

That's the Chimera. The Leman Russ is an MBT design straight from an STC.

[@O-P-96]

Listening to Spookston talk about what could be improved on each design. "Somebody is eager to be turned into a servitor!"

[@tovarishchdoge3915]

Remember the Baneblade was considered a light tank during the dark age of technology

[@metallbroetchen]

What were the leman russes then? Scout cars?

[@petrsukenik9266]

@@metallbroetchen tankete i suppouse

[@Alexisthewolfy]

@@metallbroetchen Tractors. The Imperium threw guns and additional armor on it before calling it a Tank.

[@carlost856]

I read that and it makes no sense, you're still building vehicles at a human scale. Why would your light tank present such a large profile.

[@Alexisthewolfy]

@@carlost856 Because everything else was either just as big, bigger, or absolutely fuck-off giant. Profile doesn't matter much when the enemy armor can essentially fire straight down at you. (Edit: During the dark age of Technology, humanity used A.I. extensively, so not everything had to be on the "Human" scale.)

[@ummdustry5718]

I'd argue sloping armour becomes kinda pointless in high-energy sci-fi settings, as projectiles increase in velocity the ratio of kinetic energy to momentum increases linearly, meaning the angle of the incoming projectile is essentially irrelevant as all it's energy is delivered almost as an explosion, you can see this pretty clearly in asteroid craters (both simulated and actual), which despite coming from a wide variety of angles are almost all circular, rather than a sort of elliptical shape on might expect from shallow projectiles. This is true to an even higher extent with laser/particle/plasma/arc weaponry, which would not be effected at all by sloped armour and are very common in the 41st millennium. Or at least that's my excuse for liking designs without sloped armour.

[@whoareyou1034]

Well in a scifi setting one could argue that they have better materials for armor than what we have today. So angeling armor could still be relevant.

[@xxfalconarasxx5659]

The Warhammer 40k universe has both kinetic and energy weapons, so sloped armour is still useful in that regard.

[@Calvin_Coolage]

@@whoareyou1034 They do, actually. It's just that everything in 40k is so overpowered that only the most high quality armor is very durable.

[@essexclass8168]

​@@xxfalconarasxx5659 Yeah but even then most kinetic weapons are either designed to flip the finger to sloped armor or outright ignore armor or even physics.* *most in terms of how common they are on the battlefield*

[@whoareyou1034]

@@Calvin_Coolage oh I see. I am not acquainted with 40K. That is why I only spoke in generalities. Energy weapons would be interresting. I assume they would be more alin to HEAT shells? Melting through armor basiclly.

[@maddlarkin]

Funny thing is about the Russ, I was watching one of these videos and it reminded me of the original cut away drawing of the Russ, that had 3 basic crew an autoloader and the sponsons s were remote operated by guys at a console inside the main hull. I like that they checked the Abrams specs for the Imperial Armour book but I wish they'd cross refernced them with the original draws (and I suspect not mixed up the kph and mph when adding the speeds) As for the Baneblade, the original Forgeworld model had a lot more thought put into its design than the later plastic ones, more hatches, larger sponsons etc

[@asymsolutions]

40k imperium being practical? Have you never watched if the emporer had a text to speech device?

[@frenchsoldier8485]

Also uh... *clears voice* HERESY!

[@chandlerkivett40]

HERESY jk liked the video, btw maybe do tanks from Valkyiya Chronicles, however u spell that first word

[@vitoscaletta7151]

Valkyria (I only get it right becuase my phone has it saved)

[@kirknay]

Honestly, they kinda make sense for a WWI/WWII armored vehicle. The radiator as a major weak point could use some work, but if they're at the very back of the armor, it means they did some work to attempt at negating the problem. The main issue I see is how they haven't thought of using a fan or two to blow the radiator cool from inside. Might be a maintinence cut, since we seem to compare ragnite to some kind of nuclear power supply combined with insane medical properties.

[@crusaderiii477]

THOSE GODDAMN GLOWING BLUE THINGIES!!!!

[@sayorisione8868]

Haha your so funny simp

[@crusaderiii477]

What about vehicles and aircraft from RWBY, beside I can already think of one and that would be the Atlas Airships shitty aerodynamics.

[@Colonel_Overkill]

As our previous delegation seems to have missed you, a new honor guard of Skitarii and an Inquisitor from the Ordo Hereticus would like a chance to talk. We can meet up with the previous delegation at the large stake with the firewood nearby. That will be a very easy landmark to find so lets be off....

[@O-P-96]

Mmh... I smell danger.

[@niddhoggloki4384]

It smells like the coming barbeceau for the starving guardsmen.... Or for the Thunderwolfes (depends on the faction and planet)

[@caav56]

Hm... and I see Belisarius Cawl is eager to meet your delegation as well

[@Colonel_Overkill]

@@caav56 there is a spot of honor prepared for cawl. Dont worry, you cant miss it, just look for the area with the highest radiation concentration. His pyre is to be measured in teratons of TNT....

[@SchazmenRassir]

I think you made pretty good points here, especially with the escape hatches. For the Leman Russ, this kinda makes sense for the setting, since the IG is there to die for the Imperium, as far as the higher-ups go. But for the Baneblade, this doesn't make as much sense, since it's possibly from the Dark age of Technology. It could maybe be a design oversight, relying more on it's armor and firepower that they didn't think it needs a quick escape.

[@cojiro9616]

I imagine since the Basilisk is based on the Chimera chasis, the ammo is stored where the troop compartment would normally be. Maybe there's some sort of elevator that brings it up to the loader.

[@devinbrooks3930]

Please do the Elephant from Halo 3, as well as Halo wars, and also maybe the mammoth from Halo 4, love ur vids keep it up

[@dudius3743]

I've been spooked for I've seen the Spookston video twas it was at 37 views

[@nikolaihill7364]

This made me wonder, could you do Command and Conquer's vehicles? That would be awesome!

[@xenon3990]

Interestingly the Sponsons on a Leman Russ as well as on the Baneblade aren’t manned by crew but by welded in gun Servitors

[@SuwinTzi]

Dunno if mentioned but the Lehman Russ isn't originally a tank design; it's a tractor. It was modular enough that the techpriests bolted since weapons and armor and made it a MBT, cause things were and dull after that desperate in the Imperium.

[@marrvynswillames4975]

No, Horus Heresy book 7 makes clear its a tank STC

[@Desca2001]

The Basilisk can be equipped with an additional heavy stubber or storm bolter, so it "can" get an additional self defence weapon.

[@kraigisboss]

Can I just say the 40k tanks for the imperium remind me of those world war 1 tank and interwar era tanks. Seriously there were reasons why designing tanks with side-mounted weapons stopped being a thing because it ruins the side armor of the tank. Tanks with multiple turrets stopped being a thing b because it was inefficient for the tanks commander to coordinate that many guns the Soviets were the only ones to use them in large amounts and against the Finnish they did poorly and the Germans tanks literally just eat them. Plus all the imperial tanks are just shell traps given how they are designed. Like why is the front of the tanks at such a steep angle it won't be able to deflect incoming fire properly. Plus where the turret meets the hall is a shell trap. Also, Why are the tanks so tall Like your average main battle tank today is about 2 meters in main hull height right But the Leman Russ is 4.42 meters in height and that's just the hull that doesn't account for the turret which is going to increase height drastically.

[@honkhonk8009]

Because its 40k. Its like asking why the apocalyptic trucks in MadMax are so poorly maintained and impractical. Because its fucking mad max thats why

[@GarlicAvenger]

2:20 - To all the people making the really stupid logical fallacy about W40K vehicles being low tech, or lower tech than our modern tanks... Remember, everything in the W40K universe is nuts.. It's got the WW1/WW2 look yes, but everything is made of leagues stronger materials. Call it magic space metal, future pseudoscience, or call it ceramite, plasteel, adamantium... It really is the difference. Like even tho the Leman Russ vanquisher cannon is "only 120mm" - you're supposed to assume that it's rounds are perhaps some kinda futuristic shit... deuterium tipped, maybe with adamantium HESH rounds, and the explosives and propellant used in it is at least 28,000 - 38,000 years more advanced then current ordinance. This is the thing that trips most people up. W40K vehicles may LOOK obsolete, but they are thousands of years more advanced than our own weapons. Some of these tanks have been operational for 10,000 years. For reference, that's time frames where molecular decay of the atoms of the very materials they are made from comes into play. Also for reference, the Pyramids in Egypt where built 5k-6k years ago. Look at the state of them. Or anything we've built out of modern metals even after a few decades or a few hundred years... That's the sheer difference in toughness of materials used in their construction. So straight out the manufactorum, you can imagine how much firepower these vehicles must have to put out to crack each other's armour. Because they regularly take each other out... Like size of a round means jack shit, compare a 120mm cannon from the age of sail, from a wooden galleon broadside battery - against a 120mm modern MBT... And even that's not even close to the time frames and technology level differences. The W40K tanks also have Promethium flamethrowers and direct energy weapons that we can't even come close to being able to even prototype yet like, Plasma cannons, Meltas, lazcannons, and machine gun and rotary belt fed RPG guns as Heavy Bolters for coaxial and sponson mounted used not as aniti armoured vehicle weapons but as anti infantry weapons... Like they even have Ai that has been advanced enough for the humans - who are mostly actually more advanced then us, even cybernetic enhanced calculations and reflexes, etc - to consider them nearly spiritual in nature. They are Ai Operational over 10,000 years with little loss of functionality and data corruption... If you know anything about dat storage or any kind of computing, that's shows how insane the setting is to have that level of technology.. Just think right, modern RPGs can take out an Abrams with the right conditions or from repeated strikes... Bolters are machine gun RPGs, with better armour penetration, better velocity, higher powered explosive payloads than modern RPGs. Astartes Bloters alone are - standard issue - .75 cal... that's the same calibre as WW2 AA guns, except man-portable RPGs in an assault rifle package (tho for super soldiers). So a single Astartes could potentially wipe an entire army of Abrams tanks, with only using his anti infantry weapon, and just reloading, without even changing from the basic calibre or ammo. That's how freaking scary W40K weapons are. And it you wanna go higher they have the Graia Pattern Bolters from the Space Marine video game at .998 cal. Heavy bolters and Assault Cannons are all bigger than that... Sorry brothers for the freakin' novel, I really don't mean to rant on so much, just meant to get my point across... but yea.. It's a logical fallacy to say they are just WW1/WW2 level of tech because that's what they look like. Especially if you think about it for more than a minute (which makes everything a lot cooler and makes way more sense).

[@IMP_ROM]

About the Space Marines, you over exaggerate them a lot. An M1A2 Abrams MBT uses ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor), which basically explodes itself, destroying the RPG before it can hit, and composite armor, which is designed at limiting the capability of HEAT shells (High-Explosive Anti-Tank) incredibly. Also, the standard bolter, which uses a depleted uranium core, a diamantine tip, a conventional explosive charge, and solid-fuel rocket propellant. This won’t do shit against the M1A2 Abrams’ armor, as the ERA will destroy the entire thing, as it uses some of the same materials used in tank shells (The depleted uranium core, and conventional explosive charge). Only the more rare types of bolts, like the Kraken Penetrator Rounds or the Vengeance Rounds can effectively penetrate the M1A2 Abrams’ armor. So, no, a single Space Marine cannot take on an entire army of M1A2 Abrams’ at all. *Also,* the armor of a Space Marine is made of ceramite, which is very good at taking HE rounds, but terrible at taking AP rounds, as it just kinda molds around the thing, and is way better than steel, and apparently it is equivalent to around 200mm of steel RHA (Rolled Homogenous Armor). Seems big, right? Well an M829A3 APFSDS (Armor-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding-Sabot Round) can pierce through roughly 500mm of it. And that’s the standard-issue AT round for the M1A2 Abrams. In short, a single M1A2 Abrams can destroy multiple Space Marines before it goes down.

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

40k lools and umder every single depiction functions at basically an interwar techlevel, with the occasional mid cold war era piece of technology. It is an aesthetic that does not look moder, high capability, or powerful. And I frankly dont care what wankery the lore says. The aetting is more fun as galaxy wide techno barbarism than a technothriller.

[@ineednochannelyoutube5384]

Also. A 20mm rocket propelled antipersonell grenade launcher is not going to do shit to an abrams. I have no idea how you came up with that.

[@GarlicAvenger]

​@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 "A 20mm rocket propelled antipersonell grenade launcher is not going to do shit to an abrams." - At current tech levels my guy. You're forgetting it's not a "20mm rocket propelled antipersonell grenade launcher" in the same way a colonial era musket with a scope is not a modern day sniper rifle... A standard bolter has 30 rounds of rapid fire mags, that are diamantine tipped rounds that can piece through adamantium and ceramite and plasteel (leagues stronger super materials than our current tech materials), and they are used by guys that can - and will - shoot the weak points, with 9/10 rounds of the volley hitting in the same spot, and these monsters of super soldiers can out manoeuvre the turret's turning at ideal engagement ranges (close range)... because they canonically can move faster than humans can track them (in the books, obvs...). A bolter round shooting an abrams is like someone shooting a WW1/2 tank with a depleted uranium tipped modern round, It would pass right through like a hot knife through butter... AND that's not even close to the tech level difference. It doesn't even matter that there's "explosive reactive armour" on an Abrams because if the rounds are streaming into the same place after the ERA is gone it's just wearing through the same spot. Failing that if a SM is close enough Chain swords/axes, power sword/axes/fists and Thunder hammers are all viable options to easily slice through the tank or pulverise everyone/everything inside through sheer concussive force... For examples, Chainswords and axes teeth have mono-molecular teeth that slice through tanks made of plasteel and adamantium. All space-magic fantasy metals 38,000 years more advanced than current metals/alloys. "40k lools and umder every single depiction functions at basically an interwar techlevel, with the occasional mid cold war era piece of technology. It is an aesthetic that does not look moder, high capability, or powerful. And I frankly dont care what wankery the lore says. " irrelevant

[@GarlicAvenger]

@@IMP_ROM "About the Space Marines, you over exaggerate them a lot. An M1A2 Abrams MBT uses ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor), which basically explodes itself, destroying the RPG before it can hit, and composite armor, which is designed at limiting the capability of HEAT shells (High-Explosive Anti-Tank) incredibly. Also, the standard bolter, which uses a depleted uranium core, a diamantine tip, a conventional explosive charge, and solid-fuel rocket propellant. This won’t do shit against the M1A2 Abrams’ armor, as the ERA will destroy the entire thing, as it uses some of the same materials used in tank shells (The depleted uranium core, and conventional explosive charge)." - You're forgetting it's not a "20mm rocket propelled antipersonell grenade launcher" in the same way a colonial era musket with a scope is not a modern day sniper rifle... A standard bolter has 30 rounds of rapid fire mags, that are diamantine tipped rounds that can piece through adamantium and ceramite and plasteel (leagues stronger super materials than our current tech materials), and they are used by guys that can - and will - shoot the weak points, with 9/10 rounds of the volley hitting in the same spot, and these monsters of super soldiers can out manoeuvre the turret's turning at ideal engagement ranges (close range)... because they canonically can move faster than humans can track them (in the books, obvs...). "In short, a single M1A2 Abrams can destroy multiple Space Marines before it goes down. " - maybe, in an open field, at extreme ranges, probably. But is incredibly situational, like knowing astartes and their tech level, they'd probably be well aware of an abrams long before it was in range just from their armour's sensor suits alone. There's a million ways we could argue this, but modern day tech has nothing on the sci-fi super duper crazy tech that W40K has. It really would come down to variables. Like a canonically equipped Devastator Astartes with long range auspexes and a lascannon? Abrams dead. A Standard bolter astartes in close range (within a few kilometres, by the books) vs like 10 abrams?? Abrams probably dead. Does the astartes have a jump pack and a chain weapon or power weapon? Abrams probably dead. Is the Astartes completely unaware of the abrams and is it engaging at max effective range and the Astartes is in conversation, at rest or asleep?? Astartes probably dead, unless the round just blows a hole in him, then you have to put more rounds on target before he gets into close range with you, because Astartes may survive the first round impact and can cover a few kilometres of distance, very VERY fast , even extremely injured.. and especially if it passes right through him, rather than transferring ALL it's potential kinetic energy into him... I just straight up - on account of actual, canonical tech level difference between modern and W40K setting - disagree on the presumption that anything we have today would survive anything from that setting outside of a standard, un augmented human or tau with no special armour or 40K weapons.

[@Hankbob_Hillpants]

When a standard mass produced battle rifle is more valuable than the person wielding it escape hatches on a tank aren’t exactly a priority

[@techpreist8396]

hi! your mechanicus representative here! if you seem to find yourselves trapped in a leman russ or a blessed baneblade that is on fire remember the important thing that we try to teach you during training before you attempt to rush the few escape hatches we provided. YOU are all expendable, put the fire out with your bodies.

[@Litany_of_Fury]

Worship the machine spirit enough and the Baneblade will put out the fire if it likes you.

[@techpreist8396]

@@Litany_of_Fury exactly

[@ryuyokamikaze]

Loved the video man even though I have almost no idea about 40k it's still really interesting ^^ (also just wanna suggest Valkyria Chronciles tanks for a future video in this series) Edit: nevermind I just saw it in the community posts so at least you have it on your radar ^^

[@EMan-1920]

Check out Templin Institute or Leutin09 for Warhammer 40K lore.

[@chunky5896]

"Having a completely enclosed fighting compartment, really should be the norm." _Laughs in M56 Scorpion_

[@samdurfee6093]

"If you didn't like the video plz don't leave a comment saying heresy, it's a stale joke." Me: ...THIS IS HERESY!

[@nightmareeyes9419]

4:15 they are empty and utterly won’t damage insides of the bane , also they do have armor similiar if not higher then chimera . Plus they are small . And also specifically , most likely if you’ll see baneblade you’d be running away in fear instead of shooting at it .

[@jeremyfeldmann7969]

There are some orks looking for afun fight that says other wise

[@wither5673]

40k has always been rule of cool when it comes to vehicle designs, if you think the tanks are wonky check out literally any of the flying vehicles.

[@caos1925]

You're talking about the crew like they or the Imperium puts any value on their lives. I...don't think you understand how tech works in 40k either They are so messed up and backwards, they lost the technology for forks. FORKS! for a few thousand years until some random found a design schematic for them, was made governor of a planet for it an even then they just made the machine that made the forks.

[@Tracer_Krieg]

So in summary: Leman Russ and Baneblade -Give them auto-loaders for their main guns -Increase the size of the turret -Give them much better engines -Decrease the profile (Leman Russ) to improve sloping protection -Lose some of the extraneous weapons to increase ammo capacity for the main guns -Increase the number of hatches and make them simpler to escape Basilisk -Make the Armageddian variant (enclosed crew) the standard variant -Ditch previous speed stats and just make it as fast as the Chimera it's based on ...that actually all sounds pretty reasonable for the Guard to do.

[@ANDREALEONE95]

But not for AdMech dogmas unless Cawl decide to say "I will make my own AdMech with hookers and blackjack"

[@Tracer_Krieg]

@@ANDREALEONE95 Tell that to the Black Templars.

[@ANDREALEONE95]

@@Tracer_Krieg Because they are Space Marines, but it's clear that if it was not for the decision made by someone outside the AdMech, nothing really change.

[@Tracer_Krieg]

@@ANDREALEONE95 Tell that to the Armageddians.

[@iggbomb]

Nice video! I’d be curious to see what you have to say about the tau armoured vehicles if you have the interest/time

[@csnation]

Hull mounted guns are cool, but imo they are like a visible weak spot, since if that gun gets hits, it will be destroyed and the ammo will explode. Even for sponson guns. And those are usually heavy bolters or stubbers If it is a heavy flamer... the crew is likely bathe in fire.

[@RJALEXANDER777]

The specifications for a Leman Russ tank are essentially a case by case basis. What I mean by that is every world builds them differently, and every world in the Imperium has different levels of technology at their disposal. A Leman Russ built on one of the finest Forge Worlds could have complex cogitators (computers), auto loaders, advances sensors and even plasma injection engines on board, with design tolerances down to the nano-metre. Whilst another world could be giving them steam turbine engines, zero automation, iron sights and make early Soviet tanks look like masterpieces of precision. The Imperium is schizophrenic like that, and the simplicity of their designs is an advantage in this way. It means that high tech producers can get the greatest efficiency possible out of the designs, whilst less advanced worlds can at least produce them with some degree of competency, and still be a war capable vehicle in spite of technological limitations. The Imperium essentially operates on a "build what you can, where you can" doctrine, as worlds are being reclaimed, lost and destroyed constantly in the eternal war of the far future. The Imperial Guard is an organisation founded on quantity not quality. Leman Russ are essentially space T-34's in that they're supposed to be a design that's "good enough", but most importantly one that can be built in the greatest number possible, whilst also having enough weapons to be of some degree of effectiveness against any potential threat. If the Imperium has the choice of building three Leman Russ to every, say, M1A2 Abrams, then the Imperium needs to favor the design it can produce in greater numbers. Also, modern war vehicles are designed to fight other modern armies exclusively, and are extremely efficient in this. But against, say, Tyranids, our modern doctrines and designs would be ineffective. Leman Russ tanks are a more effective design against Tyranid hordes than an Abrams, in addition to many other 40K factions. An Abrams whilst being a "better designed" tank is extremely specialised, whilst a Leman Russ is designed to be more of an all rounder. A vehicle designed without having any specific enemy in mind. The Imperium doesn't have the capability of deploying armies tailor designed to fight the hundreds of alien factions that they're at war with. So they have something like the Leman Russ that is capable to some degree irregardless of what it ends up being deployed against. Now. A Leman Russ could still be better. I think the Tau have an excellent doctrine and approach to war. They have a modular chassis that is capable of being an artillery piece, an APC and an MBT depending on it's weapon load-out. This allows them to prepare for any potential enemy they may end up facing. But The Imperium is essentially a civilisation in crisis, facing catastrophes the Tau can barely even fathom so...they do the best with what they have.

[@OK-zo3cq]

Next can you do on vehicle flaws on The Combine from half life 2

[@aOldRustyTruck]

Please do the M12 Sabertooth from Resistance: Fall of Man

[@brettnelson9363]

"...the M3 Lee was an alright tank..." what kinda crack are you smoking?

[@Calvin_Coolage]

The M3 is a textbook example of 'well it's better than nothing'.

[@commanderbeepo8066]

I thought the same. >M3 Lee >Pretty alright tank You can't have both.

[@fulcrum2951]

www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3wdgl6/comment/cxvc0tp

[@Hakugarawe]

Trying to apply reason to 40k is quite insane in its own right^^

[@Marth667]

I remember watching a similar video of a dude saying 40k tanks are dumb because they're not anything like modern tanks. That its not low profile, fast, has hull weaknesses like hull mounted weaponry, no sloped armour, sponson mounted weaponry is dumb, raised tracks are useless in battle and there is no ERA or composite armour anywhere on the tanks. Which funnily enough would be a terrible way to make a tank in a setting where its a T-34 heaven. The crew are worthless compared to the tank itself. The lack of armour is deliberate only to increase their survival estimated in minutes in combat. Cheap, simple designs that can be built on any world not the best forge worlds. Adequate weaponry to fulfil the roll of break through and fire superiority on multiple angles. Trench crawling treads allowing the tank to ford trenches which are a staple for the guard in any scenario be it attack or defend. And remember METAL BAWKES! Are cool.