Spyderco CBN plated Benchstone

Double sided CBN coated stone.
(single layer of abrasive)
Similar to other coated/plated diamond stones but uses more expensive CBN that is adhered to the plate better.
CBN is softer than diamond but harder than any of the features in steel or any carbides.
The CBN grains are geometrically less aggressive than diamond and may leave a "nicer" cut and may behave better than diamond with the nickel coating used to electroplate the grains to the embryo.
Advantage-
It will be more affordable than a Resin, Metallic or Vitrified bonded stones but will make a deeper, more aggressive cut that is nice for rope and animal hide.
Disadvantage-
Deeper cut has consequences, The push cutting will be reduced compared to more exotic bonded stones in CBN and Diamond and once the abrasive grains wear out it this benchstone is done and needs to be replaced.
For best results and longevity the stone works best with low pressure in use.
Everything has its trade offs. Always fun to explore.
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[@bevinmodrak4997]

Definitely interested in this stone. Thanks for the demo.

[@FearNoSteel]

Thanks for watching my man

[@steeltoez8345]

I'm glad spyderco is putting this out. Most super steel discussions are about spyderco products anyways.

[@FearNoSteel]

Should be an interesting alternative to DMT and Atoma. Curious to see the real world advantage of CBN in this format or if it's marginal.

[@steeltoez8345]

@@FearNoSteel I don't care for DMT and never tried Atoma to have an opinion. But for 91 bucks I think it's competitive with them.

[@arn6376]

Big Brown Bear how does this compare to Venev’s? Where will I be able to get this at when it comes out?

[@FearNoSteel]

@@arn6376 nothing like the venev, the venev will maker a nice finish and better push cut edge but will cut slower and be prone to loading but no tear out.

[@tariqkamil7853]

@@FearNoSteel how does this compare to the atom as? I have doubled sided atoma 400/1200

[@lonestardude6283]

Nice! Seen those up for preorder but opted for the police 4 lightweight in K390! Still waiting on that one! Great video!

[@JayLoden]

Oh wow I missed that this was coming out, nice! I hope they do a F / UF at some point too, that would be really cool.

[@Cid_1]

Just ordered one of these. Heard good things about it, and I think the price was very fair especially for being here in Scandinavia where everything is usually 25% more expensive than in the States. I also like that it got 400 & 800 Mesh which I don't see that often on high quality stones/plates, very often it's 600/1000 (or something like that). I really like a medium grit edge on some of my folders, so can't wait to get this in hand.

[@jsvedjefalt]

I need to buy one, thx for the vid! I like the generous size of it.

[@amo757]

More of these types of videos please!

[@thedrmurchindise]

I need this just for my K2 alone. I also need to replace my DMT 3 piece set, I still get hood results with 90% of the things I sharpen but that K2/10v takes at least 3x longer than any other knife I have.

[@kjkblade69]

Thanks for the video I was checking these out months ago wondering what they will be like.

[@stevenbusch9336]

Great info, thanks! 🔥🤘🏼🔥

[@801tb]

Highlighted comment Great video as always. I was all set to get a DMT or Ultra Sharp diamond stone along with a medium spyderco and possibly a fine spyderco for my freehand sharpening system, but now after watching your videos I'm not sure. I'm now considering a venev diamond water stone, gritomatic silicon stone, or this spyderco stone. I'm hoping for something simple and low-maintenance that will put good working edges on my blades. I have 1um strops as well. I will be sharpening a range of steels, mostly s30v, along with some s90v, rex45, etc. I already have an edge pro but want to get into freehand sharpening. What combination of stones would you recommend? Thanks!

[@alexanderbertallo1995]

Sweet! Thanks for sharing...

[@FearNoSteel]

Thanks for watching :)

[@ryanh6378]

I've been waiting on this to drop. Any word on when it's available? Any chance we can get a short update on your experience?

[@matusknives]

How comes I am discovering this double sided plate only now. Looks like the perfect tool to get an aggressive edge on those pesky high Vanadium steel pocket knives. I only wish they would also come out with a smaller version (just to make these more affordable). I don't really need/want full size as I have other stones for my kitchen knives. Still, very tempting. Thanks for the video :)

[@simonwolfe4324]

Thanks for this! I wonder how flat they are? Those that might consider this for sharpening woodworking tools such as plane blades, chisels etc would need it very flat.

[@arn6376]

Did you make that knife BBB? Nice job on the sharpening, you make it look so easy and fast!

[@FearNoSteel]

Thank you, Yes it is a 9.5" gyuto I made in CPM 10v

[@simonwolfe4324]

Does anyone know if this stone could be used to flatten the Spyderco ceramic benchstones? as this seems an economic alternative to say a coarse diamond (DMT/Atoma) plate that is typically used in this situation, as you get two grits.

[@JDStone20]

This is a very nice stone. I just got one also, lots of slicing aggression! Nice, big stone also.

[@FearNoSteel]

Nice!

[@dandildarious4849]

I'm pretty happy w my venev stones, but I'd buy this too. Did you try it on maxamet yet? I'm imagining on most steels, you can jump from the medium stone to the ultrafine ceramic stone?

[@FearNoSteel]

Maxamet? Nah, not yet, however if it works on 10v at 67rc it will work on Maxamet. You could make that jump but there will still be scratches leftover from the medium grit. I feel it's deleterious to the edge on Vanadium Carbide rich steels at high hardness to use on ceramic so I don't see myself doing such however it well refine the apex better than straight off the medium grit and will clean up the burr more.

[@mikel3269]

Great video! Would you clean this CBN stone like a diamond plate buy using Bar Keeper's Friend? I'm familiar with diamond plates and stones, but I've never used CBN so I have no idea what the maintenance on it would be.

[@FearNoSteel]

It will still behave like a diamond plate, the CBN may have some advantage with longevity.

[@NK-wy8wp]

Love the content. Triple b, What stones would,you recommend for Para 3 K390?im a newbie to all this. Just wanna keep my knife taken care of.

[@FearNoSteel]

I have been liking a resin bonded diamond stone to finish my k390. I always recommend a strop though www.triplebhandmade.com/shop/cold-pressed-orange-juice-nrfg9

[@seff2318]

we are on an identical music kick xD pretty daggon kewl stone. you look like you’re enjoying it :P

[@FearNoSteel]

Lmao

[@FearNoSteel]

It's very aggressive, nice for a microserration or a fast cut. I like my bonded stuff though.

[@Jef]

Interesting. Too bad its a coated abrasive. Had no idea they were coming out with these. Thanks for sharing!

[@FearNoSteel]

People seem to want the bonded stuff but the cost is extraordinary, this thing is interesting because we have never gotten a CBN "DMT like" plate that also has the abrasive plated to a plate rather than on a film adhered to a plate like DMT which can fall apart with heavy use and abuse with film bubbling up off the plate. I don't see bonded stones as the future replacement for all stones as much as there are more of a specialized or luxury option much like super steels are to steels. Cost is especially high moving into vitrified and Metallic bonded stones and CBN costs more than diamond. For reference the cost for 0.353 oz's (50ct) of type 2 CBN is $40-60 in raw powder abrasive. The cost of just filling one stone at 100% concentration of CBN powder for a 8x3" at 3mm to 5mm is more than most folks pay for a value stone set for just tiny pile of boring black looking powder. I think it's nice for folks to have options, there will be some more high end, luxury stones on the website soon, however, they will cost more than coated and resin options and some folks will be upset without understand the details involved.

[@Jef]

@@FearNoSteel Yea I recall you telling me about that CBN pricing, and how it is not cost effective, to make those stones. Luxury, or boutique stones, sure, but produced for the masses, no. Regardless, plates like these, in my experience, depend heavily on the user, to have a light touch. Too much pressure, and the edge will be shaved off, or worse, the coating will get damaged/removed. I agree, it is nice to have options. Good on Spyderco for coming out with these. Knowing how much of an abrasive junky I am, I'll probably grab a set, just to try. Becoming a mainstay in my arsenal, is doubtful. There are guys out there, that prefer this sort of thing. I understand the low maintenance, take anywhere, no lube required, forever flat, argument, and there is an appeal to that.

[@michaell397]

@@FearNoSteel If your DMT's were made of film applied to the plate, they were fake. Dmt's are electroplated nickel. KnifeMaker

[@jrclad2964]

Awesome explanation about "how to sharpen in 2:29 seconds" ! But I think "that" knife is doing the cutting ;-)

[@FearNoSteel]

:D thanks

[@ketodad]

Fallkniven also came out with a credit card-sized cbn stone a while ago.(1/8" thick) I think I bought about 5 @ $75 ea. for multiple kits , but returned 4 of them, as the cbn coating flaked off with just a fingernail , right down to bare metal. Seriously , that bad. I was interested in this stone , but finding out that it's made in CH has put me off. How's the Spyderco holding out so far ? Thanks. Pete.

[@FearNoSteel]

The construction is better than DMT. CBN costs more than Diamond so it keeps the price competitive with stones made with diamond.

[@pablomarrero6062]

Ive been thinking of getting this as a begginer since ive been collecting spydercos in some harder steels. do you think this and a strop is enough or i should maybe get a finer stone in the future?

[@bjornegan6421]

Do you have any additional thoughts since this?

[@michaelshults7675]

I bet that's a nice plate. So is this rated JIS scale? If so then the 400 would be like a 240 grit american grit rating?

[@mytech6779]

400 JIS is about 320 ANSI or FEPA-F . They are all equal at 220 and below which is considered the macro grit range. FEPA-F and ANSI 1200 are about 3000-4000 JIS or FEPA-P(usually used for coated paper). I forget the approximation to Russian GOST, which is common for diamond.

[@gorodph]

10V kitchen knife? You really have good taste. :)

[@vladosegvic7939]

Let me ask - through previous research, a number of people have shown to sharpen the edge not by moving it away from the stone (like you do in the video), but with moving the edge towards the stone (something like when sharpening with Spyderco Sharpmaker, as is shown in Sals video). From what is said, if you move your edge away from the stone, you pull the material down to the tip of the edge, and it rolls over to the other side of the edge, and like this indefinitely. This is why it suprises me you sharpen like this. Could you please elaborate on this?

[@FearNoSteel]

Don't get lost in the minutia my friend.

[@davidr6856]

You're talking about edge leading vs. edge trailing strokes. Either work. I believe Science of Sharp has shown that edge leading (into the stone) is better for removing burr. I get better edges with edge training finish strokes and sharpen the way BBB does. I can't explain why edge training works better for me. Either way is fine.

[@williamjohnson525]

Question i need a main Bench stone. Which one this Spyderco Cbn 8×3 or Dmt duosharp. Thank you guys. Bill

[@mattoakley2246]

That's impressive. Is it available?

[@FearNoSteel]

Should be getting released soon

[@knifesharpeningnorway]

Do you think this is better or similar quality to dmt and atoma?

[@FearNoSteel]

Seems to be a better value

[@owenreese4040]

Did it have a break in period similar to dmt plates?

[@FearNoSteel]

Coated stones will be very aggressive bat first, some folks call that the "break in period" just the nature of construction.

[@the_sharp_carpenter]

Every time I see that knife 😍 that is an Interesting entry for a plated stone. How do you think it will compare to DMT etc as far as longevity before tear off of abrasive?

[@FearNoSteel]

That is a great question, In theory it should be better? I've never had one in this format to compare so Idk.

[@FearNoSteel]

I lay it out in the description

[@the_sharp_carpenter]

@@FearNoSteel 🤦‍♂️ rookie mistake, my bad. Do you know what the binder material is for these? Still nickle?

[@FearNoSteel]

@@the_sharp_carpenter nickel coated CBN grains adhered to a nickel plate through electroplating. "Coated" just a single layer of grains, when they gone, they gone.

[@the_sharp_carpenter]

@@FearNoSteel just didn't know if they used a different bonding metal for CBN vs diamond.

[@Nate196501]

How's it holding up so far, brother? You're my test driver, if you like it 99,275% of the time I do too!

[@Oozy9Millimeetah]

OMG OMG!!!! Must have!!! It's 118€ where im about to buy it, when it arrives.... Been rocking DMT coarse & fine + Atoma 140 & 1200 forever!! But do i need it 🤔

[@FearNoSteel]

Well, with plate ya always need a fresh one.

[@joshuabriggs7114]

Nice! Update: has become my favorite quick sharpener for K390 Police & Endura :)

[@teddyyanto8547]

Wowww

[@richardbarnes3757]

Mine has burrs on all 8 edges. Can use only for chisels and plane irons where I can avoid the edges of the stone/plate. Burrs mean I cannot use this for knives. 🙁

[@FearNoSteel]

You can use a stone flatter to smooth off the edges.

[@Mrplacedcookie]

What diamond spray are you using? Thank you. 🇸🇪

[@FearNoSteel]

www.triplebhandmade.com/shop/cold-pressed-orange-juice-nrfg9

[@rothaarige3896]

What stand would you recommend with this?

[@FearNoSteel]

Naniwa

[@BenoJ3000]

bBb, how long have you had the stone. Exact same feel as double stuf 2?

[@FearNoSteel]

Just got it recently, yes, the coarse side reminds me of the double stuff.

[@BenoJ3000]

@@FearNoSteel That is fantastic to hear. It warms my knife nerd heart. I was going to purchase a coarse atoma. I'll wait for this

[@FearNoSteel]

@@BenoJ3000 yea that's a tough call, I'm a big atoms fan boy when it comes to coated stones.

[@michaelschwarz5907]

how fast does this stone wear/how long will it last?

[@FearNoSteel]

I'd say it's user dependent, But it is what it is It's single layer of nickel coated abrasive grains electroplated to a plate. If you're going ham and adding pressure it'll be easy to strip any plate out, Even if you go with light touch you only have a single layer of crystal grains, No matter how hard something is matter acting on matter means both imparting wear on each other. So eventually the super Abrasive will dull just like any other plate.

[@michaelschwarz5907]

@@FearNoSteel the only diamond plates i found worthwhile were the atoma ones. the other ones just wear too quickly, especially on high end steels like m4

[@lo_que3827]

Ooooh ahhhh

[@FearNoSteel]

Shalala xD

[@jamesmiller360]

I want one

[@knifesharpeningnorway]

How long do you think that plate would last? And it will most likely wear faster on softer steel since they grab more at the cbn particles or am i wrong?

[@FearNoSteel]

Tough to say, seems the biggest variable is how much pressure is being used when sharpening. Reality is what it is however, it's a single layer of abrasive. When it wears out it wears out. Should be able to sharpen a lot of knives and save a lot of time when it's running though.

[@matthiast3943]

Is the cbn gonna wear out over time with proper use ?

[@FearNoSteel]

Absolutely, nothing lasts forever.

[@matthiast3943]

@@FearNoSteel sure, i understand that. But lets say 4 years of use.

[@FearNoSteel]

Depends on how's it used and how often, there are too many variables to say exactly how long. It's like asking how many years your car can drive before needing to put air in the tires. There are more exotic bonded stones that cost much more that will last longer than this stone. I outline some details in the description. Everything has a trade-off.

[@EAwert42]

Would you recommend this stone ?

[@FearNoSteel]

Depends more on what your looking for. I like the bonded stones better but the price will always be better on a plated stone. More details in the description

[@EAwert42]

@@FearNoSteel Thanks, I was wondering which cbn stone I should pick I need a coarse (around 400) and a medium (1000 grit) one

[@FearNoSteel]

@@EAwert42 this stone will cut fast, make a rough finish with a deep cut for more aggressive microserration slicing, if your objective is to whittle hairs and push cut very nicely I'd recommend adding another stone to clean up the scratches. You can see in the video I use a strop but that doesn't clean up the scratches as much as just polishing the tips of the teeth. So it just depends on your budget and end result desires.

[@EAwert42]

@@FearNoSteel I already have a suheiro 3000 which is awesome and I have 2 leather strops

[@mohdzaudikhasni8829]

Yeah.. Time for sharpen cpm rex 121!

[@FearNoSteel]

:D

[@mohdzaudikhasni8829]

@@FearNoSteel all the best sir 👍

[@dandildarious4849]

Imagine a CBN golden stone

[@stefanwolf88]

I see with my little eye KING HYPER 1k and 2k - please if you have time do a video about them.

[@FearNoSteel]

Sure thing, I know they are very curious stones for stone geeks.

[@FearNoSteel]

The reason why I haven't gotten to them is they'll really only for simple carbon steel and lower alloy stainless. I have been busy exploring high wear steels and super abrasives.

[@anteck7goat]

Yeeessss

[@FearNoSteel]

Eeeyyyeee xD

[@lancelink88]

I pefer KME any day, having said that there are Spyderco stones that are made to work in the KME which work pretty well. But the lapping films give you that mirror edge which is just incredible.

[@FearNoSteel]

Preference is King

[@winstonvkoot]

I'll stick to metal bounded or resin..

[@FearNoSteel]

I like vitrified myself

[@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929]

$131 msrp wow. Hopefully its normal price is a little lower.

[@FearNoSteel]

Look on Bladehq and GPknives, it will be under $100. Keep in mind CBN costs more than diamond.

[@gorodph]

MSRP is 133 USD for this stone? Probably made by J.R. Diamond tools in China for 15 USD/piece. But great stuff anyway for 10V and similar steels.