SRB2 OLDC 2023 ROUND 2 - A Video Review

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[@yoshi2966]

What the piss

[@waddledoo_eatsrocks]

pissing

[@Zippy_Zolton]

ppssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@Akabalthy]

frying chicken up in this bitch

[@KingOthius]

Hey Sandwichface, I really have to commend you for how you handled feedback in this video- Criticism was handled with very clear justification and examples. You engaged with every level here, rather than just making a surface level take, which I've seen all too much lately. It's been difficult to find actual directed feedback and critique on recent OLDCs, and instead people writing off the entire oldc as "mid" or "bad" without exploring and engaging with the levels on an individual basis, completely missing the point of people putting their levels in an oldc. It was specifically really refreshing to see you point out areas that executed concepts correctly, and were good and enjoyable experiences; It helped created the contrast necessary for your critique to feel like genuine meaningful advice, instead of jaded skepticism. The feedback you've provided here actually has a really strong chance of helping out all the creators involved with making this collab a reality Seaballer and I created Arctic Summit, which you went over at the end. Something interesting to note is that the Arctic Palace at the end that you really want to go to has actually been in development... For an embarrassingly long amount of time, haha. We've been working on it for years longer than Arctic Summit, actually, and the stage in its current state is roughly as expansive, but very unfinished and jank. Hopefully we can complete it this year, it's good to know that Act 1 worked- And I actually have to thank you for a lot of the feedback you provided. It was really frustrating searching for any in depth informed feedback of what works and what doesn't work in Arctic Summit. Having played the stage so much by developing it, a large amount jank obstacle placement or platforming that's hard to read has become lost on me, and often I can't even see the issues anymore. This is the first review that actually gave me a different perspective necessary to make those final improvements, so I have to thank you for that I hope your future videos continue to be this useful to the creators you direct them towards

[@nuclearkitten6421]

yeah sandwichface had my favorite review on doomship that was against it. legitimate feedback is bliss lol.

[@somerobloxdude3699]

Tbh i wish i could make my own review for this bcus i have lots to say, but unfortunately i just dont have the time to

[@Zippy_Zolton]

edged to this comment

[@TETANUS.]

You know something went wrong when your whole level is gonna have its own video 😭

[@rlcraftisharder4036]

….or change it back to a contest because that might be the reason why most people are actually trying to make their level somewhat good in the first place (that’ll never happen)

[@Zippy_Zolton]

I think the idea to get more people collaborating to refine a single map is a sound idea, there just needs to be more incentive to do so. Mapping is hard work and more than one person iterating on it has the chance to exponentially increase quality and fun as well as make something that the creators themselves are more likely to want to play through and enjoy after the fact

[@medicindisquise4271]

@@Zippy_ZoltonI think people simply just don't want to cooperate. Mapping is a form of art expression as any other, and not many people really *want* assistance or tampering from other people. It's kind of a crappy mindset but understandable. I dunno. I think what people need more than anything is consistent and indepth feedback.

[@Zippy_Zolton]

@@medicindisquise4271being solo is valid but it ain't the only way around, the vanilla levels have been iterated on and amalgamated by numerous people into what it is today and what it will be in the future

[@AngelusShea]

Or make it unofficial in a new website (because otherwise they will ban you or something)

[@Zippy_Zolton]

@@AngelusSheathey may be elitist sticklers but they aren't going to stop you from doing your own small random contest lol

[@C.A.T2235]

Worst part about it is that Avalice acts like they're the shit a lot of the time

[@sintheemptyone8108]

I didn't even know that punk existed until recently, and I've apparently been around in one form or another since 2015.

[@nuclearkitten6421]

@@sintheemptyone8108🤓

[@suroguner]

I will say this for Fortune Forage. It's our first Real Casino stage for SRB2, and I'm working on the second.

[@emperortoho]

comment below if you LOOOVE mammoth mogul

[@Jiskster]

Yes

[@GodittoC]

Splendid character

[@Kyle29168]

I only know it as the aircraft from GTA V lol

[@Banddy]

so good

[@BomberBlur07]

Yessir

[@souptaels]

Idk what's with SRB2 mod levels and the mixing of textures. It's very weird to see. In an actual Sonic game, a zone would not just mix colors and texture willy nilly. Aquatic Ruins wouldn't suddenly switch to using Emerald Coast textures, Hidden Palace wouldn't suddenly start using Green Hill textures, etc. They would all stick to at most 2 ground textures, as opposed to these mod levels where you have Green Hill textures mixed with Deep Sea, generic ice, generic ice brick tiles, mixed with old Deep Sea textures, etc. It would look very weird in an actual Sonic game, or at least a game that's meant to represent Genesis Sonic games.

[@Zippy_Zolton]

there is just a lack of understanding with art direction for many mappers, they often use the "destructible" textures for things that aren't breakable FOFs...

[@suroguner]

Yea, never expect the oldc to release on time thanks to the hubs.

[@Zippy_Zolton]

they NEED to just have a simple hub template that can be made bigger and smaller depending on the amount of maps, I thought it was going to be like that since the first OLDC but I was a little miffed to see the second hub being more than a single room with all the levels conveniently layed out

[@rosieraccoonforreal]

thanks for the unidus complaint on blue mountain i will send him to the shadow realm now

[@scarletmagic]

after watching this entire review, can safely say that our opinions match quite a bit, although personally I found sapphire twilight to be the worst level in this pack by far, I find that fortune forge is simply just unfun and confusing, a shitty version of casinopolis, but I mean, perhaps if fortune forge had its gimmicks improved, stupid deaths, and was much smaller it could be fun to play, but I cannot see any version of sapphire twilight being fun because sapphire twilight is a stage built around precise platforming where the platforms are spring and ice, you cant really make a good version of that at all in srb2. And I think the level developer should have recognized that, as even them playing it, they should have seen the levels just utter inability to produce any joy within the human brain. On a deeper level, I feel like the issue with ST and Doomship is that the developers wanted to make a HARD level, rather than a level that was hard and fun. And of course, if its not fun, then its just a shitty level. Its kind of like geometry dash demonlist levels where they arent fun to play or good levels, but just there to be as difficult as possible for the sake of it so people can soyface when they beat them. I hope this doesn't become a trend, as the fact there were two of these kaizo levels is kind of concerning. Overall, I agree with your points about the collab format, etc, and am hoping to see that fortune forge video, thanks for your hard work and great video.

[@somerobloxdude3699]

Tbh id like to see a level in a future oldc that is hard but fun, rather than hard but unfun

[@nuclearkitten6421]

no I made Doomship difficult because I thought it was really funny silly! It was going to be a kaizo level originally then it was a normal level- but I cut the rings and checkpoints for shits and giggles. However this original ringless, checkpointless build, combined with being staggeringly buggy original submission was practically forced to drastically change during development.

[@iamasnail8654]

honestly, i think both pre and post-nerf doomship act 2 is worse than fortune forge and is imo the worst level in any of these OLDCs to date. fortune forge sucks for me mainly because the exit is nowhere to be seen and trying to keep 150 rings in a place like THAT is tedious as shit. shit like doomship act 2 just pisses me off because its clear that the map maker is just being a real dickhead for no good reason. excited for the fortune forge video

[@GodittoC]

Nice

[@cilcxx]

very upset you enjoyed my level…you will be hearing from my legal team Mr face

[@Banddy]

we going to the farm with this one

[@Blecker3646]

I recognize metallic city's intro. This was made years ago. It had it's own mappack which was meant to be a sequel to the main game story. It was not only a mess there too, but if this has any actual changes and the level is extended, this leads me to believe the whole fucking thing was unfinished at the time. And that's what really bugs me about the new message board's rules. That they let anything in there with differing quality. They don't think about what could be improved, they don't even give CNC even if it's posted publicly. (apart from some people which I believe they actually do give at least something the creator could take note of) And I'm going to keep mentioning this until they do something about it - REVITALIZE. YOUR. RULES. It doesn't need to be all strict like back then, but it also doesn't need to be free. I will keep yelling into the void until the void responds back, because it needs to be said.

[@rlcraftisharder4036]

Huh, nice to know I wasn’t the only one who actually played it years ago (in a private server with Future Smiles and some others)

[@seezee_]

pop off

[@souptaels]

And if you decide to call out the quality or question why this or that got into the forums, you'll get warned, possibly even banned for trying to be a mini mod or whatever. Makes no sense. They really need better quality control.

[@sintheemptyone8108]

@@souptaels This is actually quite a prevalent phenomenon with many other communities where the old gatekeeping factors get thrown out by the "safe space" zoomers & millenials in favor of no gatekeeping. Usually certain cliques proceed to infiltrate the communities affected afterwards, bringing their RL problems into a community, destroying any sort of unity in the process.

[@Zippy_Zolton]

Yeah it felt really weird how familiar that open city/beach-y area looked, glad I wasn't the only one who felt that way

[@BomberBlur07]

I personally liked this OLDC more than the last one, but it's still filled with mid Also Doomship is much more forgiving and easy with the latest updates, and it's one of my favs in the OLDC

[@FrozensBacklog]

wino is back

[@marcxworld5708]

...are the textures in the first stage messed up..?

[@Terumimi]

Hexacolor Heaven, despite it's issues, is probably my favorite level in the pack. Speedrunning the level is is fun as hell, especially as someone like cacee or maimy with a lot of horizontal momentum.

[@eltarikbrtata]

The hubs from round 1 and 2 its always buggy Does this only happen to me?

[@cowgaming7186]

wasn't OLDC a contest before?

[@evdestroy5304]

Yes

[@guillaumechau6082]

It was, but not anymore.

[@cowgaming7186]

why did they change it?

[@thepyrosharktf2]

@@cowgaming7186likely because some people felt there was unnecessary pressure, and wanted a more casual setting for map making.

[@Zippy_Zolton]

@@cowgaming7186they want to motivate more creators to work together on single maps as well as share great techniques and assets

[@medicindisquise4271]

It's odd to say, but I've noticed a trend (not just in SRB2 but in general) of people trying to intentionally make bad things that they have to know are going to be bad? It feels like a collective case of "I can fix them". Doomship Zone is probably the worse offender in this OLDC but to a far lesser exent Null Space and Sapphire Twilight have to qualify. It feels like gimping your skill as a creator if you intentionally get off on the wrong foot.

[@nuclearkitten6421]

sapphire twilight is way worse than doomship. I suspect that whoever made doomship wasn’t trying to do what you said. At all.

[@ThemFish75]

Is it just me who has constant lag and crash problems with the main lobby? I have never, and still don’t have any such issues except for the mall. It kinda sucks because now I can’t play any of the zones,

[@patg500]

They had a shit post in the round 1 oldc which counts this one poorly shoe horned out of the bucket

[@images9536]

I honestly really liked Hexacolor Heaven Zone

[@misterjersey5460]

Pump Sewers is a nice callback to Megaman 10, which is underrated imo

[@somerobloxdude3699]

Finally! Someone who noticed!

[@Zippy_Zolton]

I have nostalgia playing the Mega Man 10 demo a lot, but because it was just the demo I only have the soccer stage and a sample size of the extra challenges memorised

[@teaoftraffic]

i tried to play through Doomship with XMomentum’s Fang (i’m sorry i just hate having to stand still to use the popgun) *and it was still awful to play.*

[@starshy5066]

some true

[@Zer0mega64]

Omelette farms loses a lot of points for me just because it's not beatable with every base game character. There's that one part where you need to roll through the small gap, and there is no other alternative way forward for characters who can't roll like Amy and Fang. And since I'm an Amy main, this was very disappointing to see. A good level should be beatable with all the base game characters.

[@Danmans55]

Anyone got the music used in this video?

[@F34r3t3r]

Ah yes, today is February 17 and not 22

[@SonicntZane]

hi i made the music for blooming brushes zone i wish i had a trollface emoji here

[@StripedTailz]

hub level being a mall was my idea lmfao

[@Zippy_Zolton]

sounds appealing on paper but not fitting for the OLDC at all, where the levels should be conveniently layed across rather than being spread out and hard to find... I'd love to see this done with better execution in a more 'full' level pack, maybe a Colors-like plot where Eggman builds a new shopping mall with absolutely no ulterior motive

[@sintheemptyone8108]

Huh, so that's why they added more rings to Doomship later. Doesn't change the fact it's a cramped trial-error fest, which is not particularly fun. It's a pity too, because lot of the gimmicks in these rooms could have been used better if they weren't just there for gotcha-moments.

[@alsostickguy]

Development hell

[@nuclearkitten6421]

this is so real

[@yoshi2966]

What the PISS

[@Snick_porcupine]

New sandwich face post 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@Zippy_Zolton]

with all the ambition and incentive to collab you'd think they touch on the reusable system

[@sintheemptyone8108]

At least make it so there is zero chance of flip flopping on giving permission to use content in order to ensure that nobody seeks to use the system just to screw someone they don't like over. Strict rules tend to come with corrupt people abusing them, after all.

[@Zippy_Zolton]

@@sintheemptyone8108 theoretically, I think a system like that working well would require a Judge or Moderator to witness and verify that there was indeed permission negotiated and given, which would not be feasible for how booming the amount of creators are versus how active the judges can be. That just needs to go away completely, it's an unnecessary effort that aims to divide the community and increase toxicity!

[@mightymadness5355]

BLEECH BOUNCER IS NOT FROM TORTURE PLANET, HE MAY BE USED THERE, BUT HE IS ACTUALLY USABLE AS HE IS A CUSTOM ASSET DOWNLOADABLE ON THE MESSAGE BOARD!!! GET IT RIGHT!

[@mightymadness5355]

ALSO, PROB AN ISLAND ISNT JUST OK!... ITS DOWNRIGHT HORRIBLE!!! ITS A LEVEL WHOSE ONLY ENEMY IS THE ANNOYING GREEN SNAPPERS!!!

[@mightymadness5355]

ALSO STOP HATING ON SONIC FORCES MAN! ATLEAST IT IS BETTER THAN SONIC 06!

[@mightymadness5355]

AND NIGHTMARE ZONE IS AN AMAZING LEVEL!!!

[@cadturt9295]

easily the worst OLDC. and it showed by missing the date AND having horrible levels. its almost like the 1 room collab pack where there was a single level that tried to be decent/ offer new gameplay

[@th3rm4l__]

Bruh you just dislike anything that's remotely difficult. The fun is in the challenge. You want maps where you just walk forward and jump or what? Sapphire Twilight was the most fun level I've experienced in a long while. Finally a map where I actually need to focus on what I'm doing, rather than turning my brain off and jump on every platform I see in front of me.