Hoi4 Alt History: What if Hitler was ASSASSINATED?

[@stakuyi]

BIG mistake on my part. I said it was Herman goring who flew to Britain and died. It was rudolf hess and he did not die but was captured. Not sure why I messed that part up! I’m pretty sure I was combining things with the flight into Belgium. I will be placing a small edit to remove that specific statement for OBVIOUS reasons

[@MARK-gp9hb]

also Hess didn't die but HoI4 says so for some reason

[@EchoVirus]

You also said that mussolini wasn't Hitler's friend when in reality he was almost idolizing adolf before and during the war

[@stakuyi]

@@EchoViruspublicly. Privately things were WAY more contentious. If you look at the video I did on what if Italy was competent you will see the real rivalry between Italy and germany

[@wyattburke1837]

YT: "Context: ... ? IDK"

[@MWSin1]

When I heard that, I thought I had accidentally slipped into a parallel dimension again.

[@pinguisfeles2201]

Hermann Goering did not try to fly to Britain, that was Rudolf Hess, and he didn't die until he was 93 years old, many many years later.

[@stakuyi]

Thanks for the call out, I can’t believe I got that mixed up

[@DinoRicky]

Hess can die on his flight

[@mrcleantrash2345]

he died in 1946

[@DinoRicky]

@@mrcleantrash2345irl, but in hoi4 there’s is a change he might die

[@kommandantgalileo]

@@mrcleantrash2345 He died in 1987, tf are you on about? (Unless you're talking about Goring, then you are correct)

[@nonverbalpie8151]

What if the Stresa Front (the alliance between Britian, France and Italy to defend Austria) never collapsed?

[@MARK-gp9hb]

lol that's my scenario

[@nonverbalpie8151]

@@MARK-gp9hb I've been wanting to see this scenario ever since Stakuyi first started this series, so I took almost every chance to suggest it. If I recall I even liked your comment suggesting it some time ago.

[@MARK-gp9hb]

@@nonverbalpie8151 thanks

[@Sv4NNe]

I was about to ask what if Italy never aligned with Germany. I didn't know that was a name for it.

[@johnp4000]

@@MARK-gp9hb Problem is fighting A.I Germany would be a walkover, defending as Germany would be a challenge.

[@fernamdojuarez9858]

What If Spain joined the axis powers instead of being neutral

[@blackjack8043]

This would be fascinating because it would antagonise the French and would only happen without Italy

[@salahdeanclemens2226]

Spain couldn’t militarily because it was recovering from a war

[@WorldArchivist]

I dare say it would expedite the Axis defeat.

[@jay-1800]

Spoiler it ends poorly for Spain

[@Deavastator]

Sum it up, dragoon surronds the entire german defensive force in spain costing them dearly

[@lorekeeper8117]

What if the Megali Ideas succeeded, allowing for Greece to return to Constantinople and historic Greek lands?

[@JackSully110]

What if Finland won the Winter War (got a more favorable peace deal or something)?

[@maxtex60n40]

So just the soviet abonedening their claim after heavy losses and leaving Finland afterwards.

[@tuluppampam]

I don't think that's reasonably possible. I mean, the finns performed very well, with the soviets probably incapable of doing worse.

[@telepolaris5764]

It would be more realistic if Finland just simply accepted the initial soviet demands which would affect the war as Germany wouldn’t underestimate the red army for their performance during the winter war

[@maxtex60n40]

@@telepolaris5764 yeah but the soviet wanted to put the communist party of Finland in charge of the country after getting the claim they wanted.

[@salahdeanclemens2226]

⁠@@telepolaris5764 they would probably still underestimate them that being said hitler and his generals would be somewhat weary of them.

[@bejaminmaston1347]

What if the little entente didn't collapse

[@lordpyronowtubby6141]

The world would become balkan

[@Britishboi303]

What if Poland ceded Danzig in 1939?

[@ChangeNameEdits]

Well Germany got the Sudetenland and they still went for the rest of Czechoslovakia, it could’ve maybe delayed the war or it would’ve happened either way

[@piyo744]

@@ChangeNameEdits WW2 was always going to happen: just depends on when germany decides to invade poland. they probably still would after poland cedes the danzig corridor: an independent polish state is inherently antithetical to 1930s germany

[@brutusthebear9050]

​@piyo744 That's not true, the USSR is what Germany found antithetical. They originally planned for Poland to be part of the anti-soviet pact.

[@piyo744]

@@brutusthebear9050 and how would they secure lebensraum without annexing poland? poland has fertile land, they're slavs, and the government was anti-german: these are all things the NSDAP used and would still use for their justification of annexing, genociding, and colonizing poland. poland also had a large jewish population: would germany tolerate that? the answer is obviously no. germany annexed far more territory from poland than just danzig, poznan, and katowice: look at any map of the generalgouvernment.

[@Unstable316]

​@@brutusthebear9050The Germans also had their ambitions for Lebensraum which would eventually have to be met if they wished to truly have a Aryan Europe

[@Weatheredcutcopperstairs]

What if operation Valkyrie killed Hitler?

[@comradekommandmentklaus1848]

There’s a mod for that

[@salahdeanclemens2226]

It wouldn’t change the outcome of the war it would probably prolong it for at least 3-4 years.

[@Bandnerd173]

What is it called?​@@comradekommandmentklaus1848

[@MichaeloApC]

Nothing would change. Stauffenberg and his group stated he want Reich to continue war, especially with Soviets anyways

[@NearlyH3adlessNick]

​@@MichaeloApC Yeah, it would basically just be a different moustache in charge! Haha

[@blauertee3458]

What if the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was refused by the soviet union? (And protected Poland as a result of it)

[@TheArklyte]

You mean if Germany protected Poland? Or do you picture Stalin of all people "protecting" polish people?😂

[@salahdeanclemens2226]

@@TheArklyte he won’t of course

[@blauertee3458]

@@TheArklyte Well you could argue that Stalin saw Germany as a serious threat rather than a partner. Therefore teaming up with Poland and the west would be his prefered strategy.

[@TheArklyte]

@@blauertee3458 therefore preferred polish strategy would be to team up with Allies against Stalin too🤣

[@polishscribe674]

There's just no way Poland and USSR would ally. They had a large territorial and political conflicts, and unlike the Germans, Poles lack the pragmatism to ally with their biggest enemy (yes, up until 1939 it was the Soviet Union that was though of as the main threat)

[@gonzinahuel4886]

Hermann goering did not die by flying into the uk that was rudolf hess also he didnt die but spent 40 years in prision

[@maxtex60n40]

I think he just got confused

[@gonzinahuel4886]

@@oliverwortley3822 yeah i forgot to add that

[@sersmiles1635]

you did a great job presenting this. low gameplay but fascinating topics and what ifs. wasnt aware of the plan to overthrow or feed information so thats cool to know

[@sirmcsquizzy]

What if Poland held out against Germany and the Soviets during WW2?

[@thatoneguyiii1003]

What if the stresa front succeeded? (Italy helps the allies against Germany)

[@locnar1988]

italy would be a nazi puppet a lot earlier but mussolini wouldnt be leading it this time

[@KorbenStyring]

What if Sweden joined the axis

[@Iron_Blood_Enjoyer1933]

Attempt 6: (Using the Great War Redux again) What if Italy honored the Triple Alliance and eventually joined the Central Powers when WWI comes around?

[@JayS96Bruh]

What if England and Germany signed a peace treaty following the fall of France

[@JamesDane27]

What if Germany was Split up Like Austria-Hungary Post WW1?

[@andysierra1618]

They would either quickly reunify (possibly turning comunist)when the entente was too busy or tired to care about or would resist the treaty,the German people is unlike to accept that considering the war didn't reach its core territory,in this case i predict an stalemate across the Rhine

[@blomgaming6480]

In the name of the tsar

[@kommandantgalileo]

15:03 that was Rudolph Hess.

[@kommandantgalileo]

@@oliverwortley3822 Yep, he bailed out and was held in Camp Z for a while.

[@DinoRicky]

@@kommandantgalileohe could die in hoi4 by chance

[@kommandantgalileo]

@@DinoRicky while that is true, Stak did say IRL.

[@telepolaris5764]

What if Finland manage to cut the Murmansk railway (or capture Murmansk) during the continuation war

[@marcelmalaeb8160]

what if turkey joined axis in ww2

[@treytonziegler8448]

To do what? Reestablish a variation of the ottomans empire?

[@maxtex60n40]

Yeah but when?

[@FromRussiaWithLuv007]

What if a small West Virginia town was transported to the Thirty Years War in Central Germany

[@Szympek17]

Polish uprising 1944, what if the poles received proper support and were victorious. (1 august 1944, 80 years since)

[@MrSimon-r6k]

Interesting. Would they get help from allies or soviets?

[@dman8951]

This is such a cool video! Great job telling this alternate history story.

[@Swedishpolymath]

Yeah I did notice however that Xinjiang is called Sinkiang. Is that an Orwellian term or his he just playing dumb. LOLZ, OMGH HAHHAHA

[@Qiby_hello]

This is one of my favorite videos of yours I didn't even know that you can do that with Germany.

[@Stranglehold138]

Have you ever been to South Tyrol? As far back as the 90s, the locals didn't want to be Italians and would at least figuratively spit on Italian tourists. IIRC it's calmed down since, but while the Rhaetic areas are linguistically closer to Italian, they're culturally Germanic. Suggesting Tyrol would be given to Italy makes no sense unless you're Mussolini and will just take anything you can get for free.

[@Smeghead76]

9:51 Point of order - the Norwegian campaign was not going well for Germany; particularly in the north. It was only when the Anglo-French troops withdrew from Narvik as the French campaign went south for them that Germany was able to bring the campaign to a successful conclusion

[@tussegutt]

You're right. The fight in Norway lasted for about two months, while the battle of France "only" lasted six weeks.

[@JasperLane]

I can't help but chuckle that KZbin has deemed that this video needs a disclaimer saying "Hitler killed himself, he was not assassinated!!!!"

[@dreadpenguinlord340]

Is it even true? He was a serving head of state at the time he pulled the trigger... so would that make him an assassin?

[@vraptor313]

What if America went down the Monroe doctrine

[@TheReal_Retr0]

What if Britain & France accepted the mean mustache man's peace offer on the 10th of Octoboer 1939?

[@gregbarber5804]

You are the goat keep up the good work

[@DillonMellor]

Britain joined the axis

[@mangonango8903]

what if D-Day failed... horribly? ie: stronger atlantic wall, hitler not being asleep and rommal not going to his wifes birthday/D-Day not being on june 6th

[@tihomirrasperic]

then the resources would be transferred to Italy The Allies had a logistical problem in Italy, which significantly slowed down progress also, the invasion of Greece would be a fatal blow for the Germans, from Greece the bombers would easily reach the Romanian and Hungarian oil wells

[@dominicanemperor28]

What if World War I was ACTUALLY Germany’s fault?

[@BaDArxz]

Outside of who actually started the war, I don’t imagine much would’ve changed

[@TheDJdragonflame]

Oh, doing that via one of the Morroccan crises would make this more gameplay focused, great idea!

[@piyo744]

i mean... it kinda was, tbh germany gave austria a blank check to do whatever they want to serbia and then willy fucked off on a boat. when war came germany invaded and desecrated belgium and engaged in unrestricted submarine warfare, delibsrately sinking neutral civilian shipping such as the lusitania. germany also introduced mustard gas, germany also helped incite the russian civil war (based critical support for comrade wilhelm), and germany tried to encourage mexico to invade the US. germany was by no means innocent, and was just as fault for the way WW1 went as austria-hungary

[@piyo744]

@@BaDArxz yeah, like i said earlier germany was just at fault for WW1 as austria was

[@tbnrwolff3354]

​@@BaDArxzWell I mean the biggest problem with World War One is that yes a terrorist started it and people blame Germany and Austria for that but in reality everyone wanted a war because they wanted to test new weapons they had new weapons and they wanted to see what they did so most Nations I wouldn't say all of them wanted a war to test that

[@brit_crusader181]

Been waiting for this one 😁

[@Munchausenification]

what if Denmark went communist and joined Cominterm before Germany declared war.

[@staddy_x3125]

What if italy and germany went to war in 1934 because of austria (darkest hour mod)

[@Thelai223]

What if... The monarchy came back into Germany (No mod specific needed but if you want to use one I recommend Mode: Angora)

[@Sooper-Pumpkin]

Idea: What if the Republicans (against all odds) won the Spanish civil war and attacked Germany at the start of operation Barbarossa

[@sixgunsymphony7408]

They could not fight their way through Vichy France.

[@Sooper-Pumpkin]

@@sixgunsymphony7408 Well yeah that's why Franco never joined the Axis because Spain was in no shape to fight a war the main problem for Germany in this scenario would be the 2 front war and then having to garrison Spain

[@geoffreyalrich1349]

What if in WW1 Germany does not attack Belgium. Britain does not enter the War in 1914. Germany goes full defence in the West.

[@hawkeye2644]

11:22 Blücher is on bottom of Oslo fjord, and is anchor is a monument in Oslo for brave soldiers at Oscarborg fortress that sonk that ship

[@jawadrafique5274]

In 3:51, you said bohemia but forgot moravia ( East Czechia) aswell as Czech silesia (North East Czechia).

[@Zwiebelgian]

I don‘t mean to „uhm akshually…“ you but Hermann Göring didn‘t die until after the war when he committed suicide, the one you are talking about around 14:57 is actually Rudolf Hess.

[@maintiax]

i am about 95% sure hermann görring passed after the nuremberg trials

[@Zwiebelgian]

@@maintiax he was sentenced to death at the nuremburg trials but commited suicide the night before his execution

[@Zwiebelgian]

@@oliverwortley3822 He did die in the UK following the plane crash but that was in the 90s so yeah idk where he got that

[@JakubWojciechowski933]

What if Poland was competent during WWII?

[@rauhau_]

bro it was in a 2 front war with two of the biggest armies in the world

[@sahilhossain8204]

Lore of Hoi4 Alt History: What if Hitler was ASSASSINATED? Momentum 100

[@thegooddoctor2009]

Time traveler "I'm gonna kill Hitler" The Time Cop trying to stop an even worse dictator from showing up for the 40th time "FML".

[@captnalex]

oh hey i got this on 6 seconds after it was posted, nice

[@SJARFan]

What if the axis secured the French fleet after their surrender.

[@amiraliabr4986]

What If iran was a superpower and joined the axis

[@estrellagavilan6782]

What if Spain joined the Allies in exchange of Gibraltar after the failure of the Dieppe landing

[@AlexFnafer]

What if Nikolay Bukharin became leader of the Soviet Union instead of Stalin in 1936.

[@davidsmith8826]

Based and Bukharin pilled.

[@AlexFnafer]

@@davidsmith8826lol

[@Weatheredcutcopperstairs]

Is this a TNO reference?

[@AlexFnafer]

@@Weatheredcutcopperstairs again lol

[@piyo744]

@@AlexFnafer not much changes probably aside from less purges (yezhov probably never becomes head of the NKVD) and the NEP lasts a little longer before being abolished. by the end of his like bukharin was if not _supportive_ of collectivization then at least leaning towards it. there's little reason to believe that he did this just to court stalin: the NEP was never meant to be permanent and when the scissors crisis came and completely invalidated its continued implementation collectivization would eventually come. collectivization is probably less common and brutal, though. dekulakization will still happen (most kulaks were reported by their own employees) and so will the 1932 famine (which was unavoidable: it's probably not as bad, though). when germany invades come the 40s, the USSR is probably in a similar position after WW2. bukharin probably doesn't make so many missteps with bureaucratization but it's gonna come without a big force to stop it, which nobody in the government really cared about (one of the biggest flaws of the USSR!)

[@ignatiusimbery9541]

I know its not a alternate history but what if you use the buggy or amazing game mechanics to rise to a power house without developing any new technology.

[@TheBlasphemite]

Meanwhile, Switzerland enjoying popcorn while all this is going on:

[@Thelai223]

What if... The Communist won the Second American Civil War (Mod: Kaiserredux)

[@turtley4444]

What if america fell into a second civil war in 2000?

[@alwoods8010]

What if Hitler actually died in 1945 instead of escaping to Argentina

[@TheArklyte]

There are many cases where countries no joining the war was actually benefitial to themselves and even their allies. Thus the question: What if Italy continued to support Germany in all it could, BUT refused to join WWII like Franco did? What if instead Italy had pursued "peaceful" coercion of "Latin Union", let's call it? Ie they would continue building up and trading, thus helping keep the resource flow to Germany open and not dragging Germany to war with Greece or in Lybia. Italy that tries to persuade Franco and Metaxas to join and presents Vichy France with another option which drags them into this pseudo alliance that is not in the war. There is no Case Anton, but there is also no Operation Torch and invasion of Italy, germany doesn't lose their paratroopers. How will it change situation for Germany and will Mussolini be able to "Franco" his way into staying in power after WWII?

[@Gladsmurf93]

what if churchill stepped in insted of chamberlin in 1937

[@The_German_empire_]

This man’s two favorite things are the tag command and the yesman command

[@MrLuka-pe1zt]

I love this guys vids

[@pugguardian4921]

What if the Balkans were less divided and mainly sided with one faction?

[@AzazelBlau]

What if Germany fully supported Finland in the Winter War?

[@ChristianCrusader-my9sc]

what if hitler swayed sweden to join the axis. this would secure hitlers need for steel and also make finland an closer ally

[@jeffbeimers]

What if Japan was 100% successful with the Pearl Harbor attack . They destroyed all the carriers and oil supplies of Hawaii .

[@TheArklyte]

They get nuked 3 hours later then irl because maintenance of the plane on that day started later due to chief mechanic having stomach problems.

[@wpatrickw2012]

The Japanese wouldn’t have attacked the oil tanks. The Japanese perceived that the Americans had so much oil that a local disruption would not have caused the Americans any difficulties. After WW2, the Japanese planners were asked why they didn’t attack the oil tanks.

[@lukuria]

Please continue this. It's actually very interesting

[@TheSparkMaster]

A fun thought process to fallow up with is what technologies that we wouldn’t have gotten as soon as we did due to not really having WWII

[@Lexdaspy]

What if sweden joined the central Japanese co-prosperity sphere😂

[@Nerathul1]

Well, appropriately; What if Czechkoslovakia resisted the Sudatenland takeover^

[@yeetneet5334]

diplomatic isolation and death, given that Britain's appeasement policy was still a thing

[@meateater1002]

What if the Soviets were (more) incompetent?

[@piyo744]

they'd still win

[@TheArklyte]

​@@piyo744 not if they'd be incompetent enough to cause threeway war Hitler hoped for ie Allies fight both Axis and USSR. Thus no Lend Lease and autumn 1945 would mean the beginning of nuclear bombings of USSR😅

[@piyo744]

@@TheArklyte why in the world would this happen? this isn't what he even wanted, what? hitler wanted to knock out britain before invading the USSR. (this, of course, was a stupid idea, because he was nothing if not stupid) after germany enters a war against the west there is no world where the USSR doesn't fight germany with them. germany wanted to invade the USSR and the USSR wanted to invade germany as early as 1938 when they proposed a mutual defense agreement with the UK and france.

[@TheArklyte]

@@piyo744 Hitler didn't want to fight UK to begin with as he viewed Germany as weaker then France and UK combined. This is why Molotov-Ribbentrop was signed and why it was agreed with Mussolini that his invasion of Greece would coincide with german and soviet invasion of Poland. Because Hitler believed that UK and France would chicken out on declaring war on all 3. They didn't. And they didn't declare on USSR. And both Stalin and Mussolini postponed their invasions to evade wrath of UK and France. So yeah, threeway war is 100% what Hitler hoped for in case war couldn't be avoided. And yes, his goal since 1934 and even before that was always invading the east. Invasion of Poland was just getting him a foothold to invade USSR. That's why fighting France and UK would be counterproductive to his main goal. So it's my turn to ask, what are YOU on about, eh?

[@christopherfritz3840]

Seeing SO many film reels of AH☠️ standing outside in crowds its remarkable how removed he was from the threat of a sniper shot..

[@Gothmog3019]

Could we get a short where you "Quote the fights the historical, from Marathon to Waterloo in orders categorical" please?

[@heavyhebrew]

"You all forgot about Rudolf Hess" - Ian Curtis

[@TheMysteryman615]

What if the allies actually realized that ww1 wasn’t germanys fault?

[@TheArklyte]

They knew. But UK had massive hard-on for destroying competition. The only way Versailles can be avoided is if Germany never switches to unrestricted submarine warfare and thus american public still views germans favourably and demands US to oppose UK in peace talks. That would likely mean that Weimar Republic would be less of a republic and more of a constitutional monarchy and that it'll be a close ally and trade partner to United States. No rise of national socialism, but communism becomes a more pressing issue.

[@TheMysteryman615]

@@TheArklyte oh, okay that choice then. Thank you for letting me know!

[@MowThatLawn]

What if Germany respected the treaty of Versailles (might wanna play in a mod with an earlier start date)

[@jinhwae125]

I was playing historical and hitler got assasinated

[@A_Diamond_Ore]

What if the Bonapartist French monarchy came back for ww2

[@tuesdaynightvibin5200]

Adam Hilt, famous assassin of Adolf Hitler, never becomes an assassin and instead retires in the argentine countryside

[@alexkudzin4980]

Siberian intervention but Japan never leaves as they find Alexei and make him a puppet ruler

[@B-128-Supreme]

What if the allies didnt let hitker take austria and czechoslovakia

[@semajniomet981]

I'd like to see some of these hypotheticals combined, so long as they weren't mutually exclusive.

[@tacomeister4130]

What if brazil took action sooner. Industrialization and militarization

[@Chaoskiki923]

What if the spring offensive in ww1 succeeded

[@Sugarierspoon99]

What if the soviets were pushed to the urals.

[@spawkat2375]

What if Ethiopia won the second Italo-Ethiopian war and joined the allies.

[@Nostr00]

Iirc Hitler (not German army but Hitler himself) wanted a war with Czechoslovakia, and was pissed that it was resolved peacefully. Also France and UK didn't do nothing in 1939. The alliance with France obligated Poland to hold on for (I think it was) a month so France could mobilize and conduct attack on the western border of Germany. This plan failed because Germans were at the outskirts of Warsaw just after a week. Despite not finished mobilization, France DID attack Germany, and was met with some resistance (they didn't reach proper Ziegfried Line yet). Germans had whole air fleet on the west and two land armies, to defend themself. UK also quickly swapped leaflets for bombs

[@Nerazmus]

12:40 Well this is some fantasy right there.

[@jidk6565]

in this timeline theres a good chance the 8mm Kurz round would be the 5.56 of this world

[@aceman67]

I prefer the classic example of Einstein going back in time and shaking Hitler's hand as he leaves the art school he tried to get into. Nothing can go wrong with that...

[@robertlombardo8437]

It'd be cool to see what would have happened if Georg Elser's solo plot against Hitler had succeeded. That's my personal favorite of all the plots.

[@MrLuka-pe1zt]

Video idea: what if Germany never declared war on America

[@SomaliCountryball22]

What if Italy sided with the Allies

[@themanformerlyknownascomme777]

This is what "the war that came early" SHOULD have been.

[@disasterratio1388]

What if Spain became a Soviet Puppet?

[@Fanstic10]

What if Bulgaria won The Second Balkan War

[@leighpowell1062]

What if Rudolf Hess' flight to Britain plan worked the way Hess wanted to

[@kinman3051]

An idea from MARK-gp9hb What if the Stresa Front was successful?

[@TexanTurtle7]

What if the Easter Rising succeeded (or at least went better)

[@ciomuda2406]

What if the abwehr coup became a success

[@a.sabs1]

What if france flipped communist before WW2 and joined the comitern

[@Daito12Master]

What if Japan focused on the military instead of the navy?