Star Citizen: Large Explorer ships - the Generalist VS the Specialist

[@lawofthewestgaming]

I'm sure that by now almost everyone's heard the news about the Corsair, how they're going to be changing it's controls so that the pilot will only be able to fire two of its size five guns and the co pilot will be given the ability to fire the rest of them. I swear its' like they're bent on slaughtering all of the last IAE's finalists one at a time like this is some kind of 90's horror movie. So far the 600i is the only survivor on that list that hasn't been horribly eviscerated.

[@KaitValentine]

@@lawofthewestgaming it’s really really dumb of a change tbh.. if it’s a dps issue with the Corsair they could of just made the guns size 4 instead of this weird nerf of putting fixed forward facing weapons to to copilot If they made the lower 2 guns an actual turret that the copilot can use and move and cover the underside of the ship that would make more sense 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@topherak8450]

It's an absolutely awful move, I don't think I'm going to keep mine around, even though I love the Drake aesthetic.

[@nicolasrouyr5605]

@@KaitValentine I agree, the Corsair had to be nerf but not like this 🤦‍♂

[@ChannelHandlePending]

@@nicolasrouyr5605 If the corsair had to be nerfed (when the only thing it had above its competitor, the connie series, was 2 extra size 4's) then shouldnt the connie's be getting crippled instead of buffed?

[@Roltyus]

Next, they'll remove the dashboard fan

[@gregbagel791]

400i my beloved, how they massacred you

[@PsyEm-p1j]

This was easily the best and most well thought comparison of these ships. Enjoyed every second.

[@Nemoticon]

When it comes back on sale, I'm melting my 400i for the Zeus ES. I've enjoyed using the 400i as an over-sized medium daily driver, it's comfortable, wholesome and oozes presence. But beyond that, the compromises are just too much for me. And as an explorer, I was shocked to see the new, smaller Zeus ES equipped with a bigger Scanner. I mostly fly solo, so I don't even need anything as big or as expensive as a 400i/Connie/Corsair anyway, so it seems the Zeus ES just ticks all the boxes better for me anyway. I will have spare change after melting the 400i to buy something else to add to my hanagar also.

[@jde-jj1lu]

Good choices. With the engineering coming up soon the small size will be great whilst still being able to accommodate others but also give you a much better chance of making discoveries.

[@asog88]

The Zeus is smaller than the 400i????

[@Nemoticon]

@@asog88 No.... who said that??

[@viscounttudon68]

Zeus CL, of course :)

[@jde-jj1lu]

@@asog88 as in the zeus is smaller than the 400i in ways, including the zeus pilot being close to some key components if needed

[@viktorgavorn4635]

criminally underrated channel

[@KaitValentine]

Sad the Corsair is now a dead ship with the loss of 2x size 5 forward facing guns that only the copilot can now shoot and rip top turret 😭

[@cypher1o1]

Corsair still has the top turret it's just pointless now to have the copilot operate it when he should be using the chin guns. You have to be deliberately running away to have the copilot in the dorsal now. But I agree if the pilot could control the chin guns again and the top was S3 it would be viable to stick someone in it

[@jlarry1]

I just see the Corsair as a Cutlass +, but that's why I love it.

[@myhigh_gaming]

I fly the corsair as my daily atm. Great ship for single piloting. Best firepower of all "one person" crews of ALL ships. the firepower is enourmous and even it´s a "explorer" - it´s actually better than almost all combat fighters and ships as a single player. You can even take down a hammerhead all alone in less than 1 or 2 minutes with 4xS5 laser cannons. It´s just a "better" version than the cutty black with a lot more space and firepower.

[@charliemcawesome5012]

People miss one main advantage of the Corsair that no other ship has. The top turret gunner can use the missile loadout. But in a full 180 forward arc. So even shooting sideways is possible with the missiles. For this reason we usually load 3 racks of size 1 missiles and the enemy always has 1 missile annoying him.

[@bradthebreadstick]

I love drake, for my daily driver id definitely prefer something Cutlass sized but it is the ugliest ship in the game so far so Corsair it is.

[@Rippedyanu1]

400i *should* be here too but poor thing has been brutalized by CIG repeatedly. Thank you for mentioning this at the start

[@squalester]

i melted my 400i and got the corsair after the latest nerf, its so bad now

[@ParagonFangXen]

400i is closer to being a Cutlass compeitor in terms of internal volume, crew size, and features/functions. The 600i, while clearly larger, is closer to being an accurate compeitior in this space of Large general purpose vehicles.

[@bleachorange]

I like the 600i being a tweener of the constellations and carracks of the world. Its the size and aesthetic of explorer ship I want. I eagerly await the update in whatever year they get around to it, though 😂. V2 is waaaaay cooler.

[@ParagonFangXen]

@@bleachorange absolutely, i agree. It is totally a "tweener" and V2 is looking ssoooooo good!

[@zacharypump5910]

400i was pretty crap even on launch day

[@TheEVEInspiration]

I have great hopes for the 600i explorer, with the redesign it will be not only a great explorer, but also good for general use.

[@joesmith-tr2nj]

Five to six years ago I was curious about RSI. Found one of your video's comparing starter ships and haven't looked back since. Always enjoy and appreciate your SC video's. Thanks West.

[@FreeFragUK]

400i has piqued my interest for a while now but it really doesn't look to be in a good spot. I quite fancy a Terrapin but there appears to be a conflict between what we have in-game versus the lore. I've got the Connie because I love the design aesthetic and it gets the job done. I've been a Corsair and while I love the design, it certainly feels more like a gun battery as opposed to explorer.

[@NP907AK]

I always love when you come back! I go with LotW withdrawals. The shakes, scratchy, all the signs.

[@Luckdragon2000]

OH YES! THANK YOU!!! I feel like you may have read several of my recent comments about exploration ships. The Connie will go through at least one more reconfiguration sometime soon (maybe 2025 or 2026?) Thank you for making this video. I already have the Aquila, Corsair, Freelancer DUR, 600i Explorer ,Carack, 400i, 315p, and even an Odyssey and endeavor whenever they come to the game. Exploration is the name of my game!

[@lawofthewestgaming]

Ah a fellow explorer, glad you enjoyed it! You can expect a lot more stuff from me about this career path, its ships and everything else about exploration as it gets added into the game. Take care and fly safe. o7

[@drunit8122]

Absolutely love these comparison videos, keep them coming!!!

[@lawofthewestgaming]

Glad you like them!

[@novalis791]

I’m glad to see you vide posts and appreciate your upbuilding attitude about game progress and context about g as me history

[@spookytooth2024]

Imo they should have made the Corsair’s wings fold twice, like its WW2 namesake which had to fit in an aircraft carrier. I’m not a fan of the Corsair’s flight characteristics, but I can live with it, but please raise it off the ground a bit more when the u/c is down!

[@ese5102]

Bro, loving your content. So glad to see it coming together for you

[@armada9562]

I do want to point out the Corsair does have a dedicated Radar, it's on the large wing tip and is controlled by the Co-pilot, you cant actually use it, but the switch is there in the co-pilot seat (unless they removed it)

[@lawofthewestgaming]

what you're referring to is a radar component, which is something that every ship has. And that's what that switch controls. What I was talking about was having a dedicated piece of scanning equipment, like the scanning tower that that Aquila has, or the radar dishes that the scout, tracker or Terrapin has. So no, it doesn't have any dedicated hardware that could be used to augment or increase its scanning range. Which means that it's just like any other ship when it comes to its radar and scanning.

[@StoneCoolds]

I would gladly trade that radar antenna for an extra s5 or s6 gun xD

[@maquereautin]

Read my mind. Looking at getting one of these two ships. Perfect timing.

[@protoni6996]

what are going to get? i was between these 2 also. but first of all i can't get over that asymmetry what corsair has. also i also did want upgrade my cargo.(my "starter" is cutlass black) so to me Taurus was better option. but they are both really good options.

[@peorte2618]

Really enjoy your content. I had to chuckle because I had just posted pretty much the same discussion on Reddit about 30mins before your video came out.

[@ph11p3540]

The third ship I backed so long ago was a Constellation Aquila. Back then, not only was the Snub fighter included, so was the Ursa Rover. 30 ships and 11 years later, the Constellation Aquila is still my daily driver ship

[@TheEVEInspiration]

Love the video man, very polished!

[@shawnc5188]

I’ve been using my Corsair and Connie Taurus for ERT looting, the Taurus has more storage, an s2 tractor turret and its cargo bay makes it very easy to load in EVA. In 3.24.1, I feel they are identical in flight, with the Corsair a little faster in boost acceleration. The Zeus should be launched in October 2024, and I hope its design aesthetics will soon transfer to the Connies, especially the reworked interior. The 400i is delightfully to fly, and it has slightly better pilot guns in this patch, but it’s one of my hangar queens, alongside my Carrack.

[@colin1235421]

I like the Connie's struts - its more believable/realistic and immersive to me. If you do have a parking incident, those should also help in real life maintain a bit of structure.

[@Kiwi_Dave]

High quality content, thank you.

[@austin.t5557]

I know a lot of people hate the idea, but I feel a Conni MK.II or redesign on the way. I feel like the Corsair is a great "This is my only ship" while the Connie, any of them is a great " This is one of my large ships". The 400i I feel like will be the real competitor to Zuese and not the Corsair and Connie. Both the 400i and the Zuese will be 3+1 ships, while the Connie and Corsair are 4+1 ships. My thoughts great video as always really helps you think about your fleet.

[@RicoZaid_]

Great ships to compare, i keep juggling these 2.

[@RavingNut]

The Aquila sells it for me more than the Corsair. Yeah, the Corsair has a great amount of fire power and a well-organized sleeping/living area, along with a nice cargo and entry design. But we are also talking exploration here and what do you need when looking for stuff, being able to find/see it and the Aquila has one of the best pilot scanners in this range AND then you have that scanner turret... Conni still needs a rework/redesign, mostly thanks to engineering and fitting the size of its physical items.

[@TheBadRandolph]

Great video! I considered buying either for the longest time. But I can't decide, so I'll wait for the Odyssey:D

[@protoni6996]

Even when you buy either one. trust me you think about way too often that did i make right decision 😂 but i did go Taurus (aUEC buy) and no regrets. it's really good ship....but people love their own corsair. and that's why i always wonder did i make right decision 😂

[@rodrigogodoi4250]

It would be great if CIG make a mark2 version of the Connies, keeping some of its design but improving key areas like the bridge and overall size and distribution of internal compartments.

[@colin1235421]

I wish the Constellation Taurus would let you park a vehicle in it's back 'secret' storage location so that the main cargo area could be used for cargo when preferred. I'd keep the Nursa rover in there.

[@AgnosiaAgnosis]

You’re great at making vids, bro. Well done overall!

[@lawofthewestgaming]

I appreciate that!

[@WayFastWhitey02]

Currently have a Corsair, but am interested in upgrading it to an Aquila. Waiting to see what happens with engineering/armor and the Connie re-work before I pull the trigger. Great video Law!

[@cv368]

To be honest, while i can apreciate the Connie and Corsair for their long checklist of built-in features, none of them really make me wanna use them on the regular. Once exploration gets in, i will probably dismiss having an actual dining table to stick with the Freelancer, or misuse the Raft as long range camper. And then -depending on the Zeus- skip the mediums altogether to go right for the Endeavor or the other mobile bases

[@shadyphaze9928]

Feel like an opportunity with the Connie exploration variant was missed. Instead of having a standard Merlin, Kruger could have made a scouting variant to go with it. Replace center gun for scanning/mapping computer.

[@QuotidianStupidity]

There shouldn't even be a Kruger ship on it, no reason RSI couldn't have their own ship. Also would like to see Kruger developed as a manufacturer

[@hectordiaz537]

I can't wait to see the Connie get its gold star pass of upgrades.

[@stvi26800]

One little quirk of the corsair aswell is that the copilot can use the missiles aswell!

[@AlexODriscoll-zu9nf]

love the vids keep it up brother

[@lawofthewestgaming]

thank you!

[@-NateTheGreat]

The Corsair is designed for exploring the insides of other ships!

[@lawofthewestgaming]

exactly ; )

[@TheFiendish138]

But sadly it's slow to do that.

[@isaackarabomofubetsoana1039]

😂😂😂

[@BigBobBlazer]

Corsair is slow and yet CIG felt the need to make the Redeemer almost twice as slow. Now they will be knocking its turrets down a size and ridiculously reducing its shield HP. Even if they bump the Redeemer’s maneuverability up a little, it’s dead in the water. I will no longer be using one and I know I’m not the only one. You’d be better in having the 3 of you in 3 Corsairs.

[@joesmith-tr2nj]

So True BBB. What they did to my Redeemer (my fav ship) makes me so frustrated, I don't even know if I want to play anymore. It's really destroyed what I have been looking forward to.

[@buhatkj]

The Aquila is for exploring the verse. The Corsair is for exploring other people's cargo holds....

[@joesmith-tr2nj]

I think your statement really sums it up

[@cypher1o1]

I dont necessarily see the Corsair as a explorer ship, where i see it thriving is as a blockaid runner. It has enough cargo space to matter, enough guns to fight anything smaller and quicker, and enough speed and armor to run from anything bigger.

[@fingazblank]

I placed 6 drake seats in the cargo hold grid, looks really cool. So my corsair is also a transporter now

[@TheModelOmega]

The Corsair being an exploration ship is more of a running in-game joke. It's a Drake, the only exploration it will be doing is exploring another player's cargo.

[@Mr44magnum0706]

The Connie was my 2nd ship after melting my Freelancer. Added a few ships since but always go back to it. Been trying to get a hand on a Connie Emerald no such luck yet 😢

[@alexgerling3686]

I have a Connie it definitely needs a re-work but I did the impulsive thing and upgraded for the misc shop from citcon, my favourite Connie at the moment is the phoenix but would need to purchase that ingame

[@DanielDavis1973]

8:51 i'm pretty they designed it to emulate the b-17's ball turret

[@qutatron]

Corsair have also one of the best armory in the verse, and definetly the best elevator. But I'd love to see Connie after rework. Taurus would be my personal choice, but who knows? Maybe I choose exploration variant if this gameloop become a thing.

[@pinter_marton6165]

Is it official that the connie will have a rework or a redesign? If yes when will it be?

[@qutatron]

@@pinter_marton6165 no one's know when, but it's obvious. Connie is Chris Roberts favourite ship and one of the symbol of Star Citizen. Eventually all old ships will receive some type of rework.

[@RicoZaid_]

Corsair ~90k hit points, Andromeda ~240k hit points

[@citizen_brimstone3113]

Hit points won't matter once Engineering gameplay comes in.

[@nuanil]

​@citizen_brimstone3113 hit points are supposed to relate to the armour levels in maelstrom

[@RicoZaid_]

@@citizen_brimstone3113 CiG will translate hit points into armor.

[@peorte2618]

Total hit Points don't matter. Your Andromeda hp number is wrong, it has 180k. What matter is the HP for Vital Parts, which are the Nose, Neck, Body, and Tail. Reduce the HP of any of these parts to Zero and you soft death a ship. The Cosair has a Nose, Body and Tail with 15k hp for each section. The Andromeda has all four sections with 20k hp for each section. These numbers are negligible when you put these two ships in a due do to the DPS outputs. The HP argument is moot.

[@ricky6608]

@@citizen_brimstone3113when armour comes in the andromeda will still be more durable since it has an armoured hull while the Corsair doesn’t

[@AKSnowbat907]

Love these

[@RicoZaid_]

Also, default weapons on both are very different.

[@vik12D]

Connie, can use cargo bay and has pilot controlled weapons. Carrack, should be better, but's not. For now, go Connie, if you're looking at the two.

[@protoni6996]

if i go solo, i use taurus. if i go with friends, i take corsair.

[@shanehorvath7670]

Love them both

[@QuotidianStupidity]

Is there a way to see which ship teams made which ships?

[@MidKnight2142]

I still think the Corsair is way over hyped, but considering I'm like the only person out of my group of friends who doesn't like it and doesn't own (or plan to own) it, I might just be a contrarian lol.

[@MeatSalad84]

I love the Corsair, hate the wings... debating upgrading to the Connie, but don't want to not use my BIS skin lol.

[@Cargmania]

You keep the skin, I know as I still have it without the Corsair any more. Just take it off first before you go to melt or upgrade it. Then if you ever buy one in game... apply away.

[@AceofSpades9366]

@@Cargmaniawon’t you loose it if they wipe inventory because it won’t be tied you your account though?

[@Cargmania]

@@AceofSpades9366 The skin is tied to your account, it's not tied to the ship. So when they wipe you get all account bound items back.

[@AceofSpades9366]

@@Cargmania I mean if you do as you say and melt the bis package but keep the skin

[@Cargmania]

@@AceofSpades9366 You only need to own the ship and during IAE you will be gifted the BIS skin, which is separate from the package. Now if you get the package deal then yeah, it goes bye bye.

[@ElPolloDiabloCH]

My Connie is old, awkward and outdated. But at least she's not a Drake.

[@lawofthewestgaming]

ahahahahah..........caught me off guard with that one. Touché.

[@GreatWolfBalistic]

The amount of connie wreckage I have left across the verse😤

[@VFW-Mayer]

Where are the old ships we will be fighting that are not the ships we have purchased? This game needs the Common, Above Average, and Elite ships. So we have things to strive for in an MMO.

[@carlosr2036]

I have 3 ships - my first ship, a Freelancer which was upgraded to a Freelancer Max, a Redeemer, and a Corsair. Not sure what that will lead to.

[@lawofthewestgaming]

Thanks for sharing. I find it interesting to hear what people have for a permanent fleet. I hope that whatever comes next for you ends up being a worthy addition. o7

[@VoidedVisuals]

Man that mass effect music brings me back man

[@gege9377]

nice video bro but corsair everyday drake for life

[@ParanoidCarrot]

All i want a Valkyrie with forward fire weapons when no gunners . and i would looove to get a cargo variant

[@IAmWoody]

They need to convert one of the births in the Corsair to a med3 bed and add a small pad to land other ships on the roof. There is already a elevator that goes there anyway. Fitting a Fury or Pisces up there would be an easy way to utilize space. No garage needed...just piggy-back it. You would then have room in the cargo bay for supplies and a ground vehicle. Figure out the radar issue and you would have a great compact-ish exploration ship. I joined SC years ago because of the exploration game play and am still waiting for something.

[@vinceandrews6658]

The Connie is better in every way but firepower but you will never see me in anything but my corsair 😂

[@YahyaDingDong]

what about the 600i ?

[@Rippedyanu1]

@@YahyaDingDong 600i is a carrack competitor. It's an S5 ship whereas the Connie and Corsair are S4s

[@Quottrup1998]

@@Rippedyanu1connie has 4x S5 Edit: And Corsair has 4x S5 and 2x S4 for the pilot

[@Rippedyanu1]

@@Quottrup1998 that's guns. Not ship size. The 600i is classified as sub cap aka S5. S4 is a large ship which is the constellation series and the Corsair. Same with the MSR, 400i and others.

[@Quottrup1998]

@@Rippedyanu1nvm my last comment. Thought you meant the weaponsizes

[@YahyaDingDong]

@@Rippedyanu1 thanks

[@JamestheKilljoy]

There are still ships you didnt mention that the Corsair can fit 😂 i personally as a racer like that i can carry my Razor on the Corsair

[@arrclyde4325]

I have the slight feeling that people have a very different idea about "exploration" than CIG does. Its NOT going to be a matter to look at scanner screens, discovering new planets or whole systems. For all it looks like, exploration is about to go out and actively DO stuff, like flying around and exploring. That means that any special equipment is more or less a gimmick. The Odyssey's fuel refinery, the Carrack Jump sensors and drones, all gimmicks and nice to have, but nothing that you will need to have to explore. Besides that, the Corsair has "a szate of the art scanning suite". It just doesn't have animated atennas or a manual turret (which is jet to stay when the ship will get reworked). Maybe people should stop fantasising about what they thing how explorarion will look like. The 100 systems we moght get in the next years are all mapped and known. Exploration will happen in detail, not in large scale of the great unknown.

[@QuotidianStupidity]

Doesn't mean they won't ever allow new procedurally generated systems to become available should someone "discover" a new wormhole.

[@arrclyde4325]

@@QuotidianStupidity well they can, AFTER they have the original 100 starsystems in game. Its not a priority. The wormhole system already gives you much to discover, such as going into a system at a totally different place. Or even connecting two systems that have no direct connection. And tbose transient jumppoints are only temporary. But to be honest, exploration in SC will be more on a POI or deposit type of level, not on a planetary or even star system type of level. Finding valuable items will most likely require you to leave your ship, drive to some POI and get in on foot. And the simple "fly through a jumppoint, new system discovered, done" thing. The core of exploration in SC is to go out there and stay selfsufficient for as long as possible to find something of worth. Not new worlds or systems. Star Citizen is a NPC driven universe that is not relying on players to show up and save the day.

[@Mike5Brown]

What are you talking about the Corsair has specialized equipment for exploring other peoples cargo holds. I do think that when they make improvements to scanning gameplay they should give the corsair a scanner that is specialized in scanning other ships. That could be why it has an extra computer, it doesn't be powerful scanners it just needs a lot of processing to see past shielded cargo

[@hydra4523]

The flaws of the connies is what make them so lovable and special to player, the ship in the lore is very old so it doesn't bother me that a lot of thing is rubbish with it , like the belly turret or the window visibility. to me its not flaws its his identity ! I love it like it is , sure we can improve it but i wish they will not kill the feel that ship gives you.

[@Durion7]

Now that they nerfed the corsair, the clear winner is the connie. Corsair pilots lost 2 of their main guns. What a joke to give 2 out of 4 front facing weapons to a co pilot.

[@protoni6996]

yeah downsize guns would be enough for now. but if those npcs is coming to help. it's gonna be really good again.now Connie is better.

[@RicoZaid_]

Wings on Corsair are big disadvantage. Cross section and vulnerable.

[@mhmm4840]

The wings will (supposedly) let it fly much better in atmosphere that the Connie. Don't get me wrong they are huge targets, but none of the essential components other than some guns are attached to them.

[@038alpha]

@@mhmm4840 although connie is supposed to handle stationary atmo flight much beeter

[@mhmm4840]

@@038alpha Yea the Connie is more like a helicopter (or a futuristic VTOL plane that can hover for a bit) those atmo fans will help the thrusters not burn out. But the Corsair will be able to leave it in the dust/maneuver better through tight spaces at high speeds. They are similar ships but they fly very different (eventually).

[@piranhax6466]

Corsair loses to connie with 4x 5s now after nerf to corsair.. thanks cig..

[@BenitKolburn]

First ! o7