Star Destroyer VS Romulan Warbird Battle Scenario! D'deridex vs Thrawn's Chimera!

[@jasonsylvander3089]

The d'deridex never got to show how powerful it was supposed to be on the shows in my opinion

[@SWRadioConcepts]

I always got the impression the d'deridex was substantially more powerful than the Enterprise-D. Although Federation and Romulan tech might be fairly equal - Star Fleet never built all out battleships like the Romulans did.

[@andreabindolini7452]

Well, Romulan psycology is sophisticated. They conceived the warbird so big for a reason. The imposing appearance of the D'Deridex is used mainly as a psycological weapon, to frighten the opponent. You see a D'Deridex that dwarfs the Enterprise-D class and you thing: OMG. But in fact it is not superior, and surely inferior to, let's say, a Defiant or Sovereign class. But it still gives a punch. Compared with a Galaxy, probably slightly more firepower but less protected and far slower.

[@Killerspieler0815]

@@SWRadioConcepts - YES the d'deridex could take on m,ultiple Galaxy class ships.

[@zeehero7280]

Tbh even the smallest combat ships from star trek outside shuttles and fighters have the power to make a battle with most classes of star and super star destroyer comically one sided.

[@Ishlacorrin]

@@andreabindolini7452 The d'deridex is shown to almost disable the shields of the Enterprise D with a single volley in one episode before it speeds off. Since we know that the D can take about 400 Gigawatts of particle energy before it's shields drop for a second or two, that single volley must have been around the 300-350 Gigawatt/joule mark energy wise. I fairly certain if the two ever did go at it 100% deadly, the D would lose but the Warbird would be heavily damaged too. 2 vs 1 the Romulans did not seem to think they could lose, but when 3 Klingon Warbirds showed up they decided against the fight. Hard to say if that was because of their physical abilities being closer to matched, or the political ramifications.

[@jaydendriver8734]

Interdictor fields are essentially gravity wells. Black holes are as well. The Chimera would not have been able to jump out once the black whole got close enough for the same reason it could not jump with the interdictor fields up.

[@176bammm]

My guess it would cause all the ships to implode....

[@thomasjenkins5727]

Until you get to the event-horizon of a black-hole, their gravity is no different from any other object of similar mass. There is no reason that the mass of a black-hole on a Romulan ship would be particularly large, they're using them to convert matter into energy, not to bend space directly. In fact, when Romulan ships are destroyed on screen, we see them explode, which is what we would expect if they were using small unstable black-holes.

[@jaydendriver8734]

That's correct. However, once the containment Feild on the Romulan ship was gone, the black hole would then become a hazard.

[@johnrickard8512]

@@jaydendriver8734 not gravitationally it wouldn't...but it would pump out as much energy as a supernova in a fraction of a second so that could definitely cause trouble on its own.

[@Dinotk421]

@@thomasjenkins5727 except we know that it doesn't need to put out a massive signature to stop a SW hyperdrive from functioning. A SW cannot go into hyperspace near any object with a sufficient gravity signature, this includes small moons and planets.

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

So, basically a tie that comes down to the commanders and crews. That makes sense; if one were to look at the history of fleet warfare, one finds that oftentimes mere technology and size are not enough. From the lowly dogfighter to the mighty battleship, battles are won and lost due - most often - to the human element.

[@donovanporter4545]

No the romulans still won because they had the second cruiser leave with the prize

[@shinigamimiroku3723]

@@donovanporter4545 Fair, from the perspective of the larger picture; I was referring specifically to the battle itself. But yes, for once Thrawn was outplayed (although in his defense he was behind the 8-ball from Supposition One).

[@thewhistlincatmusic]

So, it's a Question of who will be the commanding officer at the Star Destroyer. It can't be Thrawn, because the named time range lies after the Battle of Lothal and because of this he is no longer Imperial Grand Admiral.

[@GuardianSage]

​@thewhistlincatmusic I think they were using Legends SW timeline instead of Disney's SW timeline.

[@AvroBellow]

The only ship with a "human element" was the Chimera. 🤣

[@casbot71]

Dealing with a different universe with _completely alien technology_ is known as a Tuesday in the Trek Universe. The Star Wars Universe is far simpler than coping with for instance… Fluidic space.

[@Michael-fm8xx]

Yeah I feel like any faction would be screwed being sent there, SW ships aren't near as well rounded as ST ships overall

[@drewjackson3858]

Uh, I hate to say this because I agree with your sentiment, but Star Wars is in a fluidic space. It's called Aether and it's why star destroyers have rudders in some of the novels. It's also the explanation for the WW2 style combat where ships bank and why they slow down when they run out of fuel. I know, I know...but if you want realism, there's always the Expanse. Hope I didn't cause any woe.

[@Michael-fm8xx]

@@drewjackson3858 Really? Huh, never knew that! And no worries, definitely fine for you to update me on that! And yeah I've gone through most of the Expanse, not exactly my cup of tea (personally don't really need sci-fi to be superrrrr realistic) but its a fun ride and definitely agree it a great show if you're looking for that

[@megalopath]

I would almost compare this to what happened when Starfleet met the Dominion. Starfleet suffered a brutal loss right off the bat then adapted relatively quickly to be an equal footing. That's just the universe for Star Trek, they might not be as long lived or as high power levels as the Star Wars universe, but they're far more adaptable. You'd probably see a few brutal losses on the Romulan side before they come back strong. Honestly the biggest thing the Star Wars universe has and its favor is the sheer size of the Empire, which would be incredibly destructive if they took advantage of that early on.The worst thing the Empire could do is sit on their hands in this instance and give the Trek factions time. I really see this one coming down to whoever's commanding and how good a job they do of realizing what the other side's capabilities are.

[@drewjackson3858]

@@megalopathIt's interesting to wonder how the nations of Star Trek deal with Starfleet who's advantage is science rather than aggressive weapons or stealth or assimilation. How do you fight a people who constantly manage to pull stuff out of their butts and win. It's like, 'uh sir, yeah we got the starfleet vessel down to one percent integrity but then it emitted a beam of some kind and our entire fleet was sent, we believe, six point five trillion light years into galaxy MJX33345.'' How do you defeat stuff like that?

[@scpguy1381]

The Empire has turbo-LASERS in an episode of TNG Picard says quote, “Lasers? Surely they know those are ineffective against our shields, they wouldn’t even damage our navigation shields.”

[@reidveryan9414]

Star wars "lasers" aren't lasers. There are more akin to plasma cannons used by the covenant in Halo.

[@scpguy1381]

@@reidveryan9414 you have a source for that

[@NEMISES1701]

​@@reidveryan9414 star wars weapons are a joke. Lasers... Usuall SW fan retort. Ahhh... They are plasma based.... Yes yes still shit , sit down and count your stormtrooper hits.

[@AvroBellow]

@@scpguy1381 It's well-known fact. If you don't already know this, then you're a sci-fi noob AT BEST.

[@AvroBellow]

@@NEMISES1701 It's true, their range is so limited that they'd be only be decent at intercepting torpedoes.

[@minicle426]

Warbirds are some of the best looking starships in sci fi.

[@Paul12345671]

Yes they are.

Agreed!

[@jamieolberding7731]

@ I strongly agree. Romulans have some beautiful... yet DEADLY and very stealthy Warships. Never underestimate the Romulans.

[@grimmfandango832]

I second that, the Valdore and D'Diridex are a work of art.

[@rexremedy1733]

Yes. Because it has a very food designer. Andrew Probert. Whom I much respect as a designer myself. There is really much to learn about graphics and design from him.

[@XiahouDun1225]

I dunno, I think that's exactly how a Romulan Commander would handle an "Impasse"

[@soupxv213]

“If I lose then we both lose that way I technically won”

[@markus-hermannkoch1740]

There are at least two references to TOS episode 'Balance of Terror'. One you name about the Romulans being 'creatures of duty' to the end. The other was in the beginning, saying 'hello' by trashing some outposts.

[@johnrickard8512]

@@markus-hermannkoch1740 clearly while romulans are tricky and unpredictable in battle their overarching strategies and motives are quite simple. Why change a working formula when it works so well?

[@jinsetayinsei4146]

A fun concept to play with. Your hard work is appreciated.

[@singletona082]

I love the life you give to Thrawn. I also love your take on the romulan commander. Defiant to the end but... not without a respect for his advisory. After-all the moment you lose respect for your enemy is the moment they kill you. Very important to acknowledge your foe.

[@Idazmi7]

By the way, how would the Chimera be able to hyperdrive away from the Romulan singularity when that singularity has a gravity well?

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Because these videos are fun, but dumb.

[@Not-Ap]

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 lol the old suspension of disbelief

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

THAT is literally what i said and provide an alternative strategy see above

[@thomasjenkins5727]

Until you get to the event-horizon of a black-hole, their gravity is no different from any other object of similar mass. There is no reason that the mass of a black-hole on a Romulan ship would be particularly large, they're using them to convert matter into energy, not to bend space directly. In fact, when Romulan ships are destroyed on screen, we see them explode, which is what we would expect if they were using small unstable black-holes.

[@Idazmi7]

@@thomasjenkins5727 It doesn't need to be large. By Star Wars lore, it only needs to _exist_ to act as an interdictor.

[@Aeronor2001]

Since turbolasers fire at sublight speeds and struggle to hit fighters, I don't think a star destroyer would land a single shot on a warbird going full impulse at range. This would be an incredibly one-sided battle in my opinion. That warbird would be flying circles around Thrawn. That said, I really appreciate the video/audio work and lore that you put into this comparison.

[@yourewrong9028]

This seems highly unlikely. Imperial Star Destroyers can almost keep pace with the Millenium Falcon, which can almost keep pace with starfighters, which have acceleration capabilities on the order of three to four thousand G’s. That’s like, way, way faster than anything I’m aware of from Star Trek.

[@KaiserFranzJosefI]

@@yourewrong9028 That's hilariously slow by Star Trek standards. 4,000 G-force is about 87,000 miles per hour. The Enterprise-D at full impulse travels at 1/4 speed of light, a D'Deridex is equal to the a Galaxy-class starship. 1/4 the speed of light is 167,654,157 miles per hour or nearly 2,000 times faster than anything in Star Wars.

[@yourewrong9028]

@@KaiserFranzJosefI I don’t think you understand the difference between velocity and acceleration. G’s is a measurement of acceleration. There is no conversion to miles per hour, because it’s not a speed. What you’re saying here is just as nonsensical as saying that twenty feet is equal to one mile per hour. “Speed” isn’t really a relevant thing when talking about starship propulsion, or at least it doesn’t work the same as it does with naval vessels or jet fighters. There’s no fluid resistance in a vacuum, so your only limitation is how fast you can accelerate. Most sources I’ve seen peg the Enterprise-D at about a thousand G’s, about half as fast as something like an Imperial Star Destroyer should be.

[@KaiserFranzJosefI]

@@yourewrong9028 Star Wars craft do not obey the law of physics due to travelling faster than the speed of light in real space - Megalight hours. This of course means that these ships would be getting nowhere due to time dilation or flying into their weapons due to them being sublight. Star Trek ships however do obey physics and travel well below the speed of light. Since you're reading the same blog I have, the Enterprise-D reaches 1,000 Gs at only one quarter impulse power. Full impulse power on a logarithmic scale would be far greater, surpassing even the 3,700 Gs of an X-wing

[@yourewrong9028]

@@KaiserFranzJosefI MGLT is a made-up unit used primary as a game mechanic. It most certainly is not indicative of any waist of FTL capabilities in realspace. Also, that’s not how time dilation works. If it were possible to travel FTL in realspace, then either relativity as we know it wouldn’t apply, or you’d actually be able to arrive at your destination before you left (assuming you follow the correct spacelike trajectory). In fact, this would probably actually be the case even if you used more esoteric methods of FTL like hyperspace or warp drive, but Star Wars, Star Trek, and 99% of all other sci-fi conveniently ignore this quirk of FTL of course. Also, I’ve never heard anywhere that the Star Trek impulse scale is logarithmic, nor have I seen the blog you’re referencing. I believe the 1000 G acceleration was stated to be the maximum acceleration in a TNG technical manual, though admittedly I’m not sure that said manual was canon.

[@dionwilliams3934]

The the docked Winged Defenders were a huge surprise! Love the upgraded Warbird and absolutely love your upgrade Winged Defender designs.

[@Idazmi7]

I don't even think a Star Destroyer could survive the original Bird of Prey: it had a warp speed plasma weapon that destroyed a base constructed a mile deep into a solid iron asteroid. Also no, artificial gravity wells wouldn't work on Warp Drives because Warp Drives _are_ essentially artificial gravity wells.

[@176bammm]

I agree with you. My Trek tech date ( post Star Trek Nemesis.) Totally unaffected...Warp Drive was a form of Quantum tunneling inside a subspace bubble. Or faster would be quantum slipstream...SW was preexisting interdimensional traffic routes. Similar to that ST: Voyager episode regarding underspace and the VardWawa....

[@thefirstprimariscatosicari6870]

Star Destroyer becomes a pull of slag

[@ivanruzic2592]

It is quite eerie how accurate you could guess Thrawn's thinking, considering that he's a rare breed of strategic genius that most people have no hope of understanding.

[@zeehero7280]

It would never be enough to win vs a 24th century star trek combat ship. he'd quickly realize retreat is the only hope of survival.

[@skeet7903]

He has the reputation of being space batman... while also being a bad guy from a kids show. I think it just highlights how bad the empire is that simply acting like a regular military commander and any planning makes you stand out against the rest.

[@ditzydoo4378]

I am sorry, but Star-Trek craft are worlds away more maneuverable than any Imperial Star Destroyer. By merely quick warping behind said opponent (Picard Maneuver). and then unloading into the drive section the battle would be over before it began.

[@owellwellwell2418]

The video fully explained why it couldnt pull off a manover in this occasion. The interdictor stops the quick warp, while tractor beans keep it still. Did you miss that?

[@dddf27]

A star destroyer are also capable of executing Picard maneuver (micro jump)

[@ryancox4498]

@@owellwellwell2418 I don't understand why people tend to assume an interdiction field would work against Warp drive. The two technologies operate on completely different principles, and Star Trek has never suggested that gravity wells can collapse Warp fields. If anything, it's established that Warp fields interacting with strong gravity wells will create a Time Warp field. That Imperial Interdictor is more likely to accidentally fling the Warbird hundreds of years in to the past than bring it to a stop.

[@Tracks2008]

@@ryancox4498 Still deals with the problem though.

[@MAZE4]

The D'deridex would win easily, it would de_ cloak behind the the star destroyer unload the weaponry on it's engines, that would leave it ripe for conquest.

[@BlackClaws]

In the end, as with all fantasy fights.. the winner comes down to just a question of who is writing the story.. lovely video though.

[@scottbraun2457]

I'm sure many would complain and be critical, but, I feel you did a fine job. To some critics, I would point out that, the advanced WARBIRD, wouldn't have been a wasted prototype, so more would be in reserve, as needed, while others were far afield, doing imperial bidding. I really appreciate the use of the cavernous space in the middle of the ship, as would have. I thought it could be utilized more but.. I understand that you were under time constraints. I love the way you never the less, made better, by apparently putting much the original creator's ideas into it. It truly looks awesome.

[@SilverStripe82]

Totally loved this. Feel this is very accurate and not the normal "beam over a torpedo" or "they only use lasers and have no shields". Great storytelling and look forward to the next one.

[@lynngreen7978]

Whoa! I just checked the dimensions. You can fit two V-30s inside the Big D. Probably closer to twelve (3x2x2). You could even fit at least two Z-1 Nova Battleships in that space.

[@borgCube100]

Generally Star Trek ships are smaller (though their large ones are... giant lol). But TV shows just didn't have the budget to properly do the lore justice. Warbirds are huge.

[@jasoncaldwell5627]

OUTSTANDING! Loved this matchup- and the upgrades to the Warbird! Very sensible for the mission. I do think the cloaked Romulans ship would take out the Chimera's hangar bay and then move to the engines... Also digging those FASA ships shown in your outro! I want to see more FASA designs realized. I could definitely see the Orions getting in bed with the underworld of Star Wars...maybe a story with the Orion Wanderer and Talon Karde's custom freighter scrapping it out?

[@MadnessHEROReverend]

I have to point out that Thawn couldn't have escaped under this scenario. The Hyperdrive safeties would trigger and the ship would fail to make the jump with the gravity well of a singularity/black hole forming in such close proximity. Especially since it is the same principle on how the Interdictor class star destroyer works.

[@ultimaterescreen]

Well, I'm lucky enough to have a great used book store in my neighborhood. My first trip there the owner took me to the ScyFy section where I was somewhat disappointed to find only ½shelf of StarWars material (about 40books) while turning around to find an entire row of Trek books (1,000+) She explained "well, people don't trade in StarWars books, they tend to keep them." Not sure if that helps, but helped me.

[@paspax]

Warbird FTW in two minutes.

[@KH4444444444N]

Uh. yep.

[@Acrosurge]

I love the overall imagination in this piece and I love anything that has to do with Admiral Thrawn! How do you rationalize an Interdictor being able to stop a ship from going to warp? They routinely warp out of planetary and stellar gravity wells, many times stronger than an Interdictor field. In fact, the Romulan's own power source is a singularity, or miniature black hole. It can go to warp quite easily even with such a gravity well within its own ship. Then there's the firepower disparity. Even in the TOS era, Romulan plasma torpedoes could pulverize an iron asteroid of a minimum 2 mile diameter with one shot (two shots if shielded by deflectors). TNG era Romulan torpedoes would be even stronger. Canon Star Destroyers (even Imp-IIs) don't come close to that kind of firepower or the asteroid field in ESB would have been no obstacle to catching the Falcon. Still, I love these series! Keep up the good work.

[@Meravokas]

You have to remember the fact that for the movies, plot armor would have to be take into account. And for Star Trek, intimidation values over realistic power as well. The main issue with ISDs for the sake of taking down asteroids is that proper heavy turbo lasers are not positioned properly to take out incoming asteroids and medium turbo lasers are not effective against -obliteration- of a larger asteroid. That said even a victory 2 class star destroyer has enough fire power to slag/glass hundreds of kilometers of a planets surface in just several hours. No known Star Trek ship has that kind of destructive power at it's disposal. Plus the yield of destructive power per strike from a single heavy turbo laser easily has similar destructive capabilities as proton torpedos at the least due to what we see unshielded ships taking damage when struck. With an ISD-2 you have twin octuple heavy turbo laser batteries on one side on top of the the other weapons able to fire to that side. And we know that Star Trek ships only have deflector shielding in a single layer with far fewer emitters that are relatively easy to overload with more internal damage being taken even without shields being brought down. War Ships in Star Wars have dual shielding in deflectors that actively attempt to deflect energy rather than simply absorb as ST deflectors do, and at minimum a particle shield if not ray shielding that protects against energy as well as physical impacts. In size a structure an ISD is also similarly as large in over all size as a Didaridex (forgive my spelling butchery) with armor plating and superstructure. The romulan ship is primarily open space. Also I have doubts on the thought of point defense. Fighters aren't used that often in Star Trek, but it's not because of how risky striking ships are so much as the strength of the average small ship weaponry. Beam weapons in ST still have a hard time hitting small targets. Otherwise torps could be actively targeted and destroyed on a regular basis with a skilled gunnery crew or automated targeting system. Not to mention the fact that 'Point defense' on Star Trek ships are not dedicated systems but retargeted phaser, disrupter ect. banks that would take away from direct offensive damage. And one point not take into account is that if the romulans were carrying fighter craft, Thrawn would actively deploy his own fighters. Also, unless the two ships were within just a few kilometers of each other, the singularity core of a Romulan ship would not be able to actually cause damage from the singularity itself given that ejection speed is not very fast and is usually intended for impulse engines to create proper safe distance. The damage would primarily come from the collapse of the singularity even IF the core is close enough to cause that sort of damage.

[@thomasjenkins5727]

The interdictor is the real problem here. It shouldn't be able to effect the Romulan ships...but everything that happens would still make sense even if it didn't. We just have to assume that the Romulans chose to leave warp when they reached the gravity field for their own reasons, and chose not to retreat for their own reasons. That does fit with Romulan behavior. As for weapons, MonsterofTheAsylum got it mostly right, though he got a bit wrong Star Trek beam weapons are accurate enough to hit a human target from orbit. The problem isn't accuracy, it's about hitting a maneuverable and fast target with a weapon that doesn't travel much faster than it.

[@Acrosurge]

@@Meravokas "victory 2 class star destroyer has enough fire power to slag/glass hundreds of kilometers of a planets surface in just several hours." According to what source? I'm unfamiliar with any canon source or screen display of ANY pre-First Order Star Destroyers with firepower on this level. And even the First Order requires a Dreadnought with significant charge up time to destroy a single base from orbit. "No known Star Trek ship has that kind of destructive power at it's disposal." A single constitution class starship was expected to carry out the total surface destruction of a planet. A hundred years later, an intel operative states that the starship Defiant has enough firepower to turn a planet into a "smoking cinder". In the same period, a fleet of 40 ships destroys 30% of a planet's crust with one volley. These are not isolated incidents, nor are these the most powerful vessels Star Trek has to offer. The strongest can pop planets entirely and remove them from the space time continuum. "we know that Star Trek ships only have deflector shielding in a single layer with far fewer emitters that are relatively easy to overload with more internal damage being taken even without shields being brought down." What is your source for this? Starfleet ships utilize not one nor two emitters, but an entire shield grid laid into the hull of the ship. For every example of a superior enemy overloading the shields, you have three other examples where the shields completely repel attacks. On the other hand, we know that Star Wars capital ships may be boarded while their shields are raised. "War Ships in Star Wars have dual shielding in deflectors that actively attempt to deflect energy rather than simply absorb as ST deflectors do" What source do you have for this bit? Starfleet/Romulan shields use gravitons to deflect physical/EM/subspace. "Fighters aren't used that often in Star Trek" True, but this is precisely because they are not effective against larger, faster, more powerful, more accurate capital ships with superior range. It is worth stating again: in Star Trek, capital ships are faster and more powerful with greater range and targeting ability than fighters. This is a completely different paradigm than Star Wars space combat, or even our own modern day warfare. "Beam weapons in ST still have a hard time hitting small targets. " I think you might be thinking of Star Wars, in which capital ships have difficulty hitting anything smaller than a barn. In Trek, beam weapons have astonishing accuracy due to FTL computational speeds and emitters capable of directing firepower in any direction without the need for mechanical turrets.

[@homelessend8557]

@@Acrosurge this^^

[@4everhealthwellness344]

Romulans would mop the floor with the Galactic empire

[@Steve-hd6qk]

Very interesting battle, loved the combination of imagery and you did a very good job with the voices of the characters! :)

[@nickvinsable3798]

Pretty much like the direction this is going & such. Question: what would a Alpha-class Xg-1 Star Wing look like with a Federation Shuttle craft’s engine nacelles where the Star Wing’s warhead launcher should be? Just an idea to expand upon & such…

[@VoyagerPrimeXVII]

I really appreciate your time and effort in putting this all together. Thank you

[@jrvthatsme]

How did the Chimera jump to hyperspace when the singularity's gravity should have rendered that impossible?

[@Jornian-wh4mj]

Once again resurrected starships makes a incredible in depth animation😮‍💨

[@scottmmacek]

Really great, but I have a few nitpicks. I'm not sure the Interdictors would affect the warp drive, but it's a reasonable possibility. I think that the Warbird would drop the Star Destroyers shields considerably lower than 50%. "Turbo" or not, the Empire still uses lasers that have been deemed too weak a century earlier. Lastly, the Interdictor works by using gravity well generators that simulate gravity. Actual gravity from the artifical singularity would prevent the Chimera from entering hyperspace. Other than those small items, I loved this video. Keep up the great work!

[@Acrosurge]

Presumably, turbolasers fire plasma bolts. Romulan Warbirds use plasma torpedoes. The difference is that turbolasers can shatter asteroids of perhaps 30 meters in size (100 if we're generous). Romulan torpedoes can pulverize asteroids 3 kilometers in diameter. Yes, twice the length of an Imperial Star Destroyer. With this, we can also infer that Star Destroyer shields would also be inferior to Romulan/Star Trek shields. Recall this is all TOS era firepower. TNG scales would be higher still.

[@deadjustdead3425]

There is something in my mind that i need to ask what if the Vulcan never land on earth ? What would have happened what would earth ship design look like in that timeline

[@Zeithri]

It's an interesting concept but the Romulans would utterly decimate the joke of a 'shields' the Star Destroyer would have, and there's little to no chance of the Turbolasers even putting a dent on the Romulans at all. At most I'd conceive that being Thrawn, he might have created a new form of shield, and maybe that ship drew 150% extra power to weapons thus able to put a small dent into it, but the outcome would be the same. I don't think it's feasible to make it a stand-still of equal powers. One side should clearly outmatch the other, but Thrawn is a smart son of a Chiss. I can see him pull in three Interdictors, have probably several Star Destroyers Hyper-drive in extremely close to the D'Deridex and all lock it down with tractor beams, potentially even using some Droid-run smaller Victory class just to create more targets to distract the Romulans from whom to actually attack. Hell why not even collide a Victory into the D'Deridex. That'd probably do more against the shields than most of their weapons. Combined with a lot of them bombarding it. That's how I'd see it go down. And a lot of fighters. The idea is to cripple so that any technology gained would jump them ahead significantly. Attacking with only two ships and a couple of fighters is what I see some arrogant Imperial willing to do that would do; " _Jedi? That's just a myth. Now, hand me this youth's sword made out of condensed plasma so I can have a closer look at it while I talk with the prisoner!_ " Hell, why even stop there? The one thing Trek doesn't really have or may not know how to utilize is Force Users. - Let's say with a tutor like Yoda, Spock would be able to learn how to use the Force. So with that in mind, that'd be Thrawn's true trump card: Using very powerful force users to either predict shots from the Romulans, or force a way inside the ship and take out the crew, or let's play with the thought that he has help from Starkiller or someone as strong as him, to potentially rip a nacelle straight off using the force, or you know, just hold the ship steady with the force. Or or, just send Darth Vader on the ship lol. That's how I believe Thrawn would outsmart and beat the Romulans. Otherwise, Thrawn would lose.

[@Zeithri]

Addendum: As my friend pointed out that I forgot. Let's not forget that ships in Star Trek regularly engage combat in - *WARP SPEED* - as well. As friend put it, any Trek ship can go to warp, flank, bombard from a million km and more. Star Wars is *hopelessly outmatched* against it. Even in TOS Era, The Enterprise backs away from a hostile entity, in Warp 3, and fires at Klingons with Torpedoes from Q knows how far away while at Warp and in Warp combat.

[@enorris768]

Fighters don't last long in the ST universe. It's because ST weapons are computer controlled. See TNG Conundrum for what happens to fighters.kzbin.info/www/bejne/ip3Sk42Ziq9sosk

[@MrZodiacify]

Don't forget what the romulan's are Vulcans with emotions they are paranoid xenophobic and very cunning they make deadly tacticians and don't forget there's the tal shi'ar if anything thrawn should have been In way over his head as far as this battle goes

[@josesanchezrodriguez1783]

@@enorris768 SW fighters have very complex Electronic Warfare algorithms, ST's targetting computers might not be able to lock onto them

[@enorris768]

@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 i doubt that. Sensors in the ST universe are probably what makes ST OP.

[@zeehero7280]

The technology of a D'Deridex, is so far beyond in firepower and shields from a Star Destroyer it's a non contest. Poor Thrawn is F-ed. Genius as he is he should realize quickly there is no chance of victory and retreat asap. One defiant class can obliterate an eclipse class star destroyer in a few minutes.

[@Ishlacorrin]

You must not know your Trek canon very well. The Star Destroyer can destroy the Warbird in as little as 3 shots.... not sure how they could ever lose.

[@bmobert]

Who kills whom is based on assumptions used in interpreting 'cannon' into our current understanding of things. I suspect that a one on one fight between an Aquila and a SD2 would be a close call on both sides, as depicted. But that is based on my own assumptions.

[@zeehero7280]

@@bmobert Well the best Cannon is the Photonic Cannon so star trek has the advantage.

[@bmobert]

@@zeehero7280 Compared to the photon torpedoe? We both have descriptions but, not actually being in that universe, they are assumptions; neither of us KNOWS. So, it's up to the author how to play it. And, honestly, why would anyone want it to be otherwise? 😁

[@zeehero7280]

@@Ishlacorrin Lmfao read the tech manuals and numbers, there is no star wars weapon save for planet killers that comes close. Star Wars is a galaxy of stagnation where no significant advance is made in 10,000 years or more. A Crossover is pointless, if you're only comparing tech, Star trek wins without any argument. This is why crossovers are dumb. 2 entirely different settings designed for entirely different kinds of stories. I like both, which is why I accept that a crossover would be stupid.

[@MercShame]

Tie defenders are good, but taking more than one shot from a disrupter blast is a stretch. Plus, ships in star trek rarely miss.

[@zeehero7280]

and would NEVER miss a ship as large as a Star Destroyer. also a couple torpedoes would disable it entirely.

[@ARandomCogboi]

One thing about Star Wars that many people don’t seem to know is that the reason they rely so heavily on manual targeting is because Star Wars has ridiculously strong electronic warfare and sensor jamming.

[@Ishlacorrin]

@@ARandomCogboi Which is the bane of all sensor systems in Trek, strong EM fields stop their sensors from working 99 times out of 100.

[@ARandomCogboi]

@@Ishlacorrin Exactly.

[@sepion85]

And why should 'normal' ecm work on scanners that use subspace as a medium?

[@stardaggerrihannsu2363]

d'Deridex would totally smash any starship from Star Wars. It could literally destroy the entire Imperial fleet. Easily.

[@KH4444444444N]

The warbird utterly wastes the star destroyer.It's not even close.

[@_Muzolf]

As fascinating a this is, taking the two universes, any ship from the Star Trek universe just has to realize that the SW ships are using a kind of FTL that hinges on specific areas, they can easily move away from any hyper space route, and be unreachable for Star Wars ships. When one side can move anywhere, while the other side cannot, any confrontation will only happen if the first side wants it, and aside from a clever trap (Which granted, if anyone could pull it off, it would be Thrawn. ), it becomes no contest.

[@deniskorb7763]

If Thrawn engaged the Romulans once before, they would not survive the 2nd encounter. Thrawns super power was never underestimating or overestimating an opponent. The sheer size and firepower of an imperial star destroyer would overwhelm even a dreadnaught

[@ggsimmonds1]

My head canon was that the D'Deridex was the Alpha/Beta quadrants most powerful alpha strike vessel. I don't think any of the primary races had anything that equaled the amount of forward firepower it had. But in a prolonged engagement it wasn't as strong because of sheer size leading to poor maneuverability, and relatively weak aft weapons. So the Star Empire had D'Deridex "task forces" where the D'deridex would always be accompanied by two Valdores or Birds of Prey to protect its flanks. But a D'deridex would make quick work of an ISD imo. Its a mismatch

[@shavaughndavidson2257]

We all know that star trek weaponry and shielding is way beyond starwars weaponry like targeting that never misses...point defense so good it makes fighter illogical,sheilds that stop objects....

[@Marinealver]

It is a shame we never saw the D'Drex class as a Galax Class ship destroyer. We always see them either blowing up or just threatening disruptors b charging them and occasionally using them at minimum strength.

[@disposableproduction]

Uh what about the gravity well of the singularity, no jump to hyoerspace due to that right?

[@barrybend7189]

What if an Imperial Eclipse class star destroyer were to face the Desura 2 from Space Battleship Yamato?

[@lanceslyd4865]

It's gonna be EPIC but Dessler wouldn't stand a chance against Palpatine The SENATE, If Dessler Would fire his Dessler Cannon (Garmirasu Wave Motion Cannon) before The Eclipse Would fire the Superlaser, after all Wave motion Energy is superior weapon than the Conventional Star Wars Lasers (Exception of Death Star Laser)

[@barrybend7189]

@@lanceslyd4865 considering desler refused death twice I'm not so sure its that far of a stomp.

[@krisguntner4805]

To know the level of a scifi franchises weapons destructive capability all you have to do is look at the SMALLEST WEAKEST weapons,the hand held ones. The fact the smallest hand phaser is far more powerful then the rifle sized blasters of starwars,based on observable effects in the visual media,and that DEFENSES are then created to COUNTER those weapons it's obvious startrek is FAR more powerful then starwars. People always then say "but what about the deathstar"completely ignoring the fact the cardassians made the "dreadnought"which was only 100m long yet could destroy a large moon which is something any race with a comparable tech base could make and MASS PRODUCE with each one very effectively destroying a planet or several obliterating it. This means starwars weapons and shields would be as startrek depicted in "suddenly human"episode little more effective then a talarian warship....which just "coincidentally"looks like an imperial warship. :P

[@Ishlacorrin]

That is a bad way to look at thing. Instead compare what you KNOW to be true. For instance, we KNOW that a Galaxy class starship in Trek has a total power output of a few Terawatts at most by the time the D was destroyed. We KNOW that as little as 400 Gigawatts of particle energy is enough to disable it's shields for a few seconds and damage the hull. While we do not know the exact power output of the Star Destroyer, estimates put a heavy turbo lasers bolt 30 Terajoules. Even if that estimate is 100 times more than it should be, one 300 Gigajoule bolt is going to drop Trek shields to 25%, since it has 60 of those weapons, pulling together 6 or so to one shot the warbird is not going to be hard. Star Wars is one of the most powerful Sci-Fi IPs out there, Star Trek is one of the weakest. This is 100% canon on the star trek side and based on canon facts on the star wars side.

[@majesticwolfyguy6629]

@@Ishlacorrin meanwhile 99% of on screen showings have the turbolasers as only being as strong as WWII battleship cannons. Ex. KOTOR Taris glassing, Revenge of the Sith, Battlefront II EA, Clone wars

[@Ishlacorrin]

@@majesticwolfyguy6629 They are shown to vaporise asteroids instantly, it's one of the first times we see them in action. Based on that interaction their power is quite significant. Especially when Trek weapons including photons are shown to be even less lol.

[@majesticwolfyguy6629]

@@Ishlacorrin you don't need power to do that, super heated plasma plus Ice cold rock equals vaporisation. It's not a high feat, just means the weapons are super hot

[@Ishlacorrin]

@@majesticwolfyguy6629 Creating that heat requires a certain amount of power, maths and science tells us just how much. It's far more than the 400 gigawatts of particle energy that is enough to drop Trek shields for a second.

[@samurijder9550]

Just beam a photon torpedo to the star destroyers bridge....

[@Dinotk421]

Would the interdictor be able to pull a ship at warp out of warp? I don't think that was a thing that could happen to warp drive ships.

[@entropy11]

1:45 that's a good looking victory refit model what's that from?

[@resurrectedstarships]

I think it is one of fractal sponges.

[@justinanderson5751]

So how did it jump into hyperspace at all if the cruisers disabled its engines? But still, a great video :)

[@raw6668]

Wait, if gravity can pull and keep ships from escaping to Hyperdrive, how did a Star Destroyer escape since the ship was being pulled into the singularity core?

[@scifinerd1911]

What a great concept thank you for making this video it was pretty damn interesting

[@ilejovcevski79]

An interesting scenario, though i doubt the micro singularities that the Romulans use are massive enough to actually effect ships at range.

[@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462]

They aren't.

[@Zeithri]

In Star Trek Online, when Romulan ships blow up their Singularity drive basically lose containment and creates a black hole that rips the ship apart as it explodes.

[@ilejovcevski79]

@@Zeithri an interesting idea. I can see it working IRL too, but it would depend on the size of the singularity used. However, from what we've seen on the shows they are rather tiny, and those tend to vaporize themselves faster then they get to suck anything in due to Hawking radiation, so a catastrophic failure of explosive nature as depicted in the shows is more likely then the implosion-gravitational tear depicted in the game. It seems like in this case, the developers took a creative liberty with their depiction of Romulan drive cores.

[@resurrectedstarships]

@@Zeithri That's kind of where I got the idea!

[@KaiserFranzJosefI]

A micro-singularity would have a mass several million times greater than a Star Destroyer.

[@captblueshadow682]

I Absolutely Love this vid! Now I just hope for maybe a 40k Crossover

[@NoUseforaFlip]

Can you do a video on what if the Space Battleship Yamato meet the USS Enterprise(from Star Trek Enterprise)?

[@jonmcgee6987]

It would have to be the Yamato from the reboot version for the Yamato to have a chance at winning. The NX-Enterprise would be more maneuverable. It would also depend who was in command of the Yamato. Kodai would be more aggressive while Okita would more clever and methodical.

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@jonmcgee6987 I imagine Okita would screw up Thrawn.

[@gridlock7425]

"Lasers? Those won't even penetrate our navigational shield"

[@drweiss8]

Who would win between Star destroyer VS Romulan - Kerchan class starship

[@scarface1138]

This is only just the beginning.

[@STvSWNet]

Interesting effort. Attempting to get the two sides into some sort of parity is always a challenge, given the significant weapons range and sublight speed advantages of Trek powers.

[@zeehero7280]

There is no parity. in any even fight its one sided as hell toward D'Deridex. Thrawn should retreat asap.

[@darbyohara]

It’s stupid. The most irritating thing about these type videos is in an effort to pander to both Star Wars and Star Trek fans the battle always seems to end in a tie

[@zeehero7280]

@@darbyohara I think Thrawn might be able to escape with his ship mostly intact by judging the warbird is far too advanced for a star destroyer to handle, but that's about it. Thrawn is a genius so should know he has no chance to win. the weapons on a star destroyer would barely scratch the shields.

[@darbyohara]

@@zeehero7280 the weapons on a star destroyer are substantially more powerful than Star Trek shields can repel. AND the volume of fire would quickly overload the shield matrix

[@zeehero7280]

@@darbyohara Someone doesn't know the magnitude of the energy involved in a standard 24th century federation starship's systems. it would take the death star's superlaser to knock out the shields. Not to mention the accuracy on star wars ships is completely a joke while star trek phaser beams hit basically every time. A phaser beam on LOW power, can drill to a planet's core in a few minutes.

[@studinthemaking]

What model of ISD? They have a many different versions of it.

[@resurrectedstarships]

I've read that the Chimera is an ISD2, but I've also read it is an ISD 1. In the Thrawn trilogy it is said to have just been refit. So it is likely an upgraded ISD1 on par with an ISD 2. Yeah there are soo many types of star destroyers!

[@jefftappan3091]

I like the fact that you kept the soundtrack from TOS

[@gicking3898]

What technology would the Romulans want from The Empire? And why wouldn't the Romulans arrive with far more ships?

[@enorris768]

Hyperspace would be interesting to get ahold of. Especially with having enough of the Milky way mapped out.

[@MrZodiacify]

In that case they could get there hands on a QSD from the federation (quantum slipstream device)

[@enorris768]

@@MrZodiacify hyperspace may still be faster.

[@MrZodiacify]

@@enorris768 🤔 someone needs to do a up to date sciencing I do know the spore drive has the record

[@enorris768]

@@MrZodiacify for all intents and purposes, the spore drive doesn't exist. So maybe it doesn't count!🤣🤣🤣 Edit: it's pretty exotic as well. Picking up hyperdrive tech is a win regardless.

[@owellwellwell2418]

Love these videos and as a fan of both pretty happy with the breakdown and explanations

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

I love these contests and the lengths they go to theoretically give the Star Wars ship a chance. But, in reality (insofar as this is all fiction), the Star Trek ships have two absolutely decisive advantages: 1) Far more sophisticated targeting sensors and weapons range, 2) Transporters. One can also make the case for far more sophisticated computers and variable shield and weapons. Essentially, a Star Destroyer is like an Iowa Class battleship. It has thick armor and big ass guns. But, its range is limited to line of sight or just beyond the horizon at 40,000 meters. An Aegis Class type destroyer is much smaller with little armor. One 16 inch shell would destroy it. But the Aegis class has advanced sensors and weapons with ranges of hundreds of miles. That Iowa class would be destroyed well before it ever even made radar contact with the Aegis destroyer. A Warbird could sit well outside any Star Destroyer's weapons range and fire until it is destroyed. The Star Destroyer would never even see the Warbird, much less get in range. It would be the simplest thing in the world to do. And that is if the Star Destroyer wasn't destroyed by a cloaked Warbird beaming 20 plasma torpedoes into the SD and setting them off. And difficulty presented by the shields of the SD would be quickly solved by the superior diagnostic capabilities of the Warbird, and the weapons set to a frequency that would be render the SD's particle and ray shields useless.

[@Revkor]

or si,ple locate the generators and boom

[@Ishlacorrin]

I love how you don't seem to know Trek canon and yet you comment. Trek sensors are easy to defeat with EM interference, something that is all over every ship in the Star Wars IP. EM fields and the like, are blinding sensors of the Enterprise every other episode almost. Weapons range is another thing, 99 times out of 100 Trek weapons ranges are within a few hundred metres at most. There are a few outlier episodes, but they never repeat even when they should if they were the real case and not something made up for that one episode. Transporters are space magic like the force is in Star Wars. Their implications are never fully realised in Trek and it's better if you disregard there existence. If you still want to add them into the equation, well those EM fields that have ruined the Trek targeting sensors, they also ruin transporter sensors. This is shown as an issue in Trek canon all the time. Not something you can rely on in combat. The power of said ships is another issue here. While the Warbirds power output is never stated in canon, we can get a good estimate from it's effects on the Enterprise D. From Trek canon we know the Enterprise D starts off with a total power output less than 1 Terawatt, but does get upgraded to consistently outputting a few Terawatts. We know that 400 gigawatts of particle energy is the limit for their shields at one point, but also that it only disables them for a second or two. Biggest factor is that Trek shields are not a solid wall, weapons will do damage to the ship even when the shields are still up if strong enough. All of this is shown in the Trek canon. Star Wars is a harder subject as there are no canon figures for energy output of things, just vague statements like a Heavy Turbo Laser blast is the same power as a Magnitude 10 Earthquake or that their main power system is an artificial star of some kind. Having said that, based on onscreen showings of the weapon, an Imperial Star Destroyers heavy turbo lasers have an estimated output of 30 or so Terajoules per bolt. This was calculated based on the scene where one is one shotting asteroids with them. Since this is an estimate that could be way off, the actual output could be 3-300 Terajoules. Thankfully for our purposes this does not matter, since even at 3 Terajoules or even say 300 Gigajoules (lets give Trek the benefit of the doubt here and lower their estimate to 1/100th), a Trek ship of any kind is still being destroyed in 1-5 shots. Since the Star Destroyer has 60 of these weapons, and they fire once every second or so, any Trek ship has about 1-2 seconds to live when fighting one of these ships. Star Wars is just so off the scale power wise compared to Star Trek that most Trek factions would never stand a chance. Don't feel bad though, Star Wars is one of the most powerful IPs to exist. Not many can stand toe to toe with them.

[@crownprincesebastianjohano7069]

@@Ishlacorrin No, I know Trek very well, and that is why I can quite easily say that 1) EM interference is very easily overcome by the superior diagnostic equipment that the advanced species in Star Trek have and would quickly assess and overcome any Imperial EW capability thanks to the SW universes near-analogue computer technology and single-mode shields, 2) You can't just hand wave transporters, they aren't magic like the Force, they are a working technology that is heavily germane, and 3) You can't hand wave weapons ranges and superior targeting sensors. What is seen on screen and what is clearly stated are two different things, one done for dramatic effect, and the reality of it. The decisive advantage is standoff range and the Romulan ship is light years ahead of a SD in both targeting sensors and weapons range; Line of site, visual range vs hundreds of thousands of kilometers and pinpoint accuracy and guided weapons that are also adaptable. (And that is if the Romulan warship is not moving at warp, with its superior navigation computers can change course in real time, and not nav point to nav point, never presenting a SD with a visible target in any event). Not hand-wavable to make it work for the SD. Doesn't really matter much how powerful the turbo lasers are supposedly, to say nothing of them being single-frequency lasers against adaptive shielding. A 16 inch gun on the Iowa class is by far more powerful than harpoon missile, powerful but useless in modern naval combat due to the sensor gap between WWII and modern ships. Your 9 bajillion gigajoule SW weapons would never come close to hitting any trek ship at range anymore than an Iowa Class with WWII targeting technology could hit a submerged submarine launching anti-ship missiles from 200 miles away. Its an open and shut case. Anyone that has ever been in a combat situation will tell you so: range and accuracy at range are everything and Star Wars is at a severe disadvantage.

[@Ishlacorrin]

@@crownprincesebastianjohano7069 You really do not know trek canon. Might need to go and re-watch the series again mate. EM interference is the bane of all trek sensors, even the poles of a planet are enough to block those 'advanced sensors' lol. It's been shown in the shows so many times it's not even a joke anymore. Transporters ARE just hand waveable magic in Trek, just like replicators. The SOLE reason they exist was for the studio to cut costs, they are never explained in lore deeply enough to matter and neither are their implications. Do you even understand the implications of such tech? Here we have an IP that measures their energy levels in Gigawatts and yet they have space magic like transporters and replicators lol. Trek weapons ranges are never shown to be more than a few kilometres unless they are hitting a planet (a rare event). And even then based on their orbit range it's only a few thousand kilometres. Star Wars ships are shown to have equal range at least in their canon. There are a few stupid comments here and there about 'tens of thousands' or 'hundreds of thousands' but they are never shown or used when they should be. Those can be written off as bad writing by the writers who lack understanding of their IP. 99.99% of the time the range is within a few km. Since we also know that they cannot target in harsh EM conditions, your false claim of 'advanced targeting sensors' does not help matters. So the end result is the same: Trek must get within range to hit anything and even when they do their weapons are next to useless against the opposing shields. Wars only has to hit once and we have been shown that the combat speeds of Trek ships are painfully slow. So hitting them will not be an issue. You might not like the objective truth of the matter, but it is still the truth.

[@wizardemrys]

@@Ishlacorrin numbers imo are a dumb way to compare things in movies and such, They are just there to be there. Ship scale weapons are inconsistent and change with the plot. Handheld weapons are consistent. A star trek phasor destroys matter at a molecular scale. It completely vaporizes humans with a small handheld phasor. In star wars they use blunt plasma which causes burns, but has nowhere near enough power to vaporize people. (it takes 141.4 MG to do this) How many times have you seen a pistol size blaster carve through 5 meters of solid rock with enough space to crawl through? A small phasor can do that. (Disrupters also work at that scale and have comparable power, but not as flexible) Let's bring this up to ship scale. Even if they were at close range(which they won't be, Star trek ships a consistently at MINIMUM 2,000 kilometers away unless there is some other reason) the high energy highly focused phasors would cut through SW shields like butter. I would give a star destroyer maybe 15 seconds at most. Torpedoes in SW are nuclear or plasma based, photon torpedoes(despite their name) use anti-matter/matter explosions. That is pure matter - energy conversion. A gram of anti-matter and matter could wipe out an entire city. A single photon torpedo on a TOS movie destroyed a very large asteroid. (kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ26haavorxmrtU) The ones in star wars movies could not have been this big or else they would have taken up the entire screen (kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWnUfGuQr9imqrM). The If SW weapons really had that power you claim, they would set the atmosphere on fire whenever they fired if they were in one. We don't see that happen. SW tech is crude, they would not have the ability to focus it and contain the energy like ST can. I didn't even talk about the maneuverability of ST ships...

[@MAZE4]

The De'deridex is a beautiful design

[@jlbman1887]

I'm pretty sure the romulans would smack the empire because of their cloaking devices and more powerful weapons

[@jlbman1887]

@Darth Revan true but also like remember that one romulan plasma gun from tos? Yeah I'm pretty sure that would hurt anything the imps could build

[@tech83studio38]

This was fun.

[@chrisortega7521]

Bro, this is awesome! Do some more, if you can, please!

[@lesigh1749]

Wouldn't the quantum singularity block the Chimeras hyperdrive just like an interdictor does?

[@jefferynelson]

I have no constructive criticism to offer this channel, thanks for the work you put into it

[@ApsalusSigma]

With all that successfully looted Star Wars tech - now I want to see a Star Wars style Romulan ship That would be awesome! in it of itself and as a weird sequel to this.

[@krispalermo8133]

Table top role playing game, WotC wizard of the coast Star Wars/ D&D3.5e, " Saga " edition sucks, " Star Ships of the Galaxy." You can find reprints sold online. As a note regarding Star Trek novels before Disney buy out, Star Wars do not normally fire off anti matter weapons nor have their ships engage in space combat at one fourth the speed of light, let alone fire missiles impacting at near light speed. Another note, the old EU: Legend novels stated some part were so remote within the Expanded Rim ( where Earth space is located in the galactic arm) with the lack of holonet communication. The locals there where unaware that the Republic fell, or that there was a Galactic Empire for close to thirty years. So when during the movie/ novel Empire Strikes Back, the empire sent out probs to scout out for Rebel base locations will be a good time for them to stumble across a region of space the develop tech/ ship appearance designs similar to Star Trek. There is " canon " Star Wars, then there is your local table top RPG club Star Wars campaign where you mix Star Wars with Star Trek and everything under the Sun such as Transformers. Remember Star Fleet doesn't bother with pre warp civilizations and subspace/ hyper space scans highly different wave lengths ... so. Other than a few strange radiation busts that only last a few second, the Enterprise during TNG would have just flown by many Star Wars worlds without second thought or given them any notice. In SW RPG , Wookies have a +4 strength adjustment bonus. Klingons and Vulcans are said to be x3 stronger than humans = to a +10 strength adjustment bonus. Kryptians from a x8 earth's gravity will have a +30 str bonus, .. then there is Mongul who is size large in scale who also develop under a Red Sun and high gravity world.. +40 str bonus.

[@Not-Ap]

3:03 why would Thrawn even have any of these? These things were already like 30 years old by his time. I mean for the purposes of this battle its a very convenient plot device but lore wise it don't make much since.

[@jonmcgee6987]

He did collect some clone wars era technology while he was climbing the officer's ladder. It would be safe to assume he had some stashed away some where for a future use.

[@soupxv213]

Suicide singularity attacks is probably the coolest thing Ive herd of today

[@SideSwipeGTA]

I can't see a star destroyer standing up to a regular warbird, much less one upgraded for the Dominion War. They didn't even use their cloaking device to get in behind the massive hole in the star destroyer's firing arc.

[@frednone]

Fun video, well done Thrawn, but wouldn't the singularity's gravity field have kept the Chimera from jumping?

[@176bammm]

We all know that hyperspace/hyperdrive, was charted interdimensional traffic Lanes. That required navigation of preexisting routes. Where as warp speed, could be engaged anywhere , any time... Slower but NOT susceptible to issues of the Star Wars universe. Like fake gravity wells by interdictor Cruisers designed for different technology. Warp drive was unaffected by gravity fields, or mass shadows...Unlike SWs "hyperspace motivators." As they say, " Different Strokes for different folks!" lol....

[@mikefuston4494]

i think the warbird would own the star destroyer

[@zeehero7280]

It would. this video is giving the Star Destroyer a comically huge hand in even surviving.

[@Ishlacorrin]

@@zeehero7280 The Star Destroyer can destroy the Warbird in as little as 3 shots.... not sure how they could ever lose.

[@scotth5114]

@@Ishlacorrin 3 shots? Really? Stormtroopers can't hit the floor in 3 shots. Also what kind of weapon are the shooting that you think can destroy the Warbird?

[@Ishlacorrin]

@@scotth5114 Star Destroyer Heavy Turbo Lasers are estimated to be about 30 Terajoules per bolt. 1 Warbird is considered equal to 1 Galaxy Class ship. A Galaxy Class can only take 400 gigawatts of particle energy before losing shields for a few seconds. 1 watt = 1 joule per second, so that is 400 gigajoules per second. A 30 Terajoule impact happens in less than a second, probably only a quarter of one or less. That means that 1 Heavy Turbo Laser bolt is about 120,000 Gigawatts of particle energy. If the impact is faster this could be as high as 300,000 Gigawatts. The Estimate for the bolt strength is based on visual observations and thus could be wrong. If we assume that it could be wrong by a factor of 100 to be kind to the Warbird, that still places one bolt at between 1,200 and 3,000 Gigawatts of particle energy. If we are being completely honest here, my 3 shots was being kind as well. The Warbird would be one shot almost every time. I should also point out that Star Wars Stormtroopers are renown for their accuracy in the Star Wars lore and Canon. Almost every data point on that shows them as deadly warriors. Not that that has anything to do with ship to ship combat.

[@MrSpy13011]

If the Romulans had their full advantages sure. Star Trek vessels move slightly slower than Star Wars fighters so it's a matter of not getting hit. If the cloacking device of the Warbird wasn't destroyed it would have been an easy victory. Mind you, he had them go up against Thrawn (arguably the best tactician in the empire). Doubt a standard imperial officer would have handled the situation so well.

[@UnknownUzer]

This was a great battle setup and the tactics were fantastic. I have always thought that the D'deridex should have auxiliary craft docked inside the open space between primary hulls, though I always envisioned 4-8 smaller attack craft. Your setup of 2 larger ships was impressive. That said, I always found the ST vs SW fight scenarios a bit unfair because of the huge disparity in technologies between universes. I know that there has been a lot of retconning, and fan canon, created over the years in an attempt to make them more balanced in capability, but when you compare technologies on a purely scientific level the Star Trek universe tech is far more OP than that of Star Wars. This has bugged the crap out of me , mostly because both franchises are notorious for over selling , or under selling the strengths of their tech based solely on the needs of the writer's plot at any given moment. The biggest issue I have seen with people not understanding the power levels involved comes in the form of Star Trek greatly underrepresenting the power of the tech they are supposed to be using. The first photon torpedoes have a potential yield of 65 megatons each in raw materials alone. To put that into perspective, that is equivalent to 5,000 Hiroshima bombs packed into each photon torpedo. Then there is phasers which are staggeringly more powerful that the most powerful of lasers, even turbo lasers... Based on the tech alone, the Enterprise Ds phasers should be far more powerful than the death Star's mega laser, yet one is grossly overpowered on screen, while the other is equally under represented. Lastly is defensive technology, and in this arena Star Wars deflectors are no match Star Trek shields. The former is a form of energy based resistance, while the latter is an actual near solid barrier. I think comparing the two universes, as fun as it is, is unfair to Star Wars, just as it would be unfair to compare Star Wars to the 2009 Battlestar Galactica universe where BSG tech is woefully different to that of the Imperial fleet, and would be totally outmatched by the least powerful of Star Wars tech.

[@Tracks2008]

HAHAHA LOL! Every word you said is so wrong it isn't even funny. SW STOMPS ST so hard it isn't even funny. SW is all about a massive GALACTIC WAR while ST is all about exploration and some combat. SW tech is leaps and bounds better. A phaser has been directly stated to be a laser with a different plasmatic wavelength than a laser. They are effectively the same exact weapon. The different plasmatic wavelength may be a slight advantage but not anywhere near the level of the Death Star's kyber crystal powered super laser. BTW kyber crystals are the crystals used in lightsabers. Did you miss the part where the DS1 can destroy worlds with its super-laser? Also ST has no shields their ships fall apart from any attack from any other ship out there while the ISD's (and other SW craft) tend to ignore several blasts before the shields are weakened enough to be penetrated. Your pathetic argument is broken entirely from pretty much everything in ST.

[@UnknownUzer]

@@Tracks2008 First a phaser is a nadion based plasma weapon, NOT a laser. It is stated in Trek canon that lasers won't even penetrate their navigation shields which is a very weak bubble meant to deflect dust and debri while in flight. Next, SW has deflectors which are not all encompassing and only offer limited repulsive capabilities , while ST has shields which can be made nearly solid , layered into multiple concentric bubbles, and/or shaped to any geometry that best fits the need at any given time. ST ships also have polarized hulls and structural integrity fields that can take several hits AFTER the main shields AND emergency forcefield has failed. Also, the average starship carried enough firepower to destroy entire civilizations, with the Galaxy class (a ship a fraction the size of a star destroyer) being able to liquify the crust of a planet in its first salvo. Phaser and photon weapons would cut a SW fleet to shreds and a ST base with assault phasers would poke holes through the death star like firing a AR15 at a birthday cake. There's no need to even bring quantum torpedoes into the discussion because the galactic empire can't even defend against photons much less it's angrier more powerful brother.

[@Tracks2008]

@@UnknownUzer They don't have that kind of firepower that is just fan wanking of ST firepower and tech. There is absolutely nothing to back that up in the movies so ergo it is not canon. Sadly despite whatever you may believe anything outside of the movies is either non-canon or loose canon waiting to be cast off. Since the movies are the only canon the only thing ST has going for it is red matter which creates black holes. On the other hand SW has tons of things going for it that has been shown on screen. VSDs and ISDs can slag entire cities in minutes, country-sides in a couple of hours and easily blow away most other capital ships with ease. SSDs are even larger, have more weapon systems and can likely level countries in a few hours with an orbital bombardment.

[@UnknownUzer]

​@@Tracks2008 Dude it is mentioned several times that a federation starship can obliterate entire civilizations. The Star Trek technical manual is canon and was written by the producers of TNG and they state that a Galaxy Class can liquify the crust of a planet in mere minutes. The weaponry on SW is shown to be WAY overpowered for their technology, and weapons on ST are shown to be underpowered for their technology. It is technically impossible to make a laser more powerful than a phaser. That is why many SW fans retcon turbolasers to be plasma based weapons, so they can explain why they are supposedly so powerful. There is nothing in the SW universe (aside from the force) that can remotely defend against ST level technology. That's why their ships are so big and have so many weapons, because the tech is not as powerful, so it needs to be bigger and more of it. ST has phasers, which are far more powerful than the strongest lasers, They also have Photon torpedoes which utilize matter/anti-matter warheads, Then there are Quantum torpedoes that utilize zero-point energy and attacks its target on a quantum level . They also have transporters that can transport bombs onto an enemy ship/base, or even remove their power source or life support systems in the blink of an eye. Then there are defensive capabilities where ST again is super op compared to SW. Not only are their shields far more powerful and advanced than SW but as I stated before, ST ships have multiple layers of protection. To destroy a ST ship of the line, you have to first deplete their multiple layered shields, then you have to deplete their emergency forcefield, next you have to destroy their sacrificial ablative armor to get to the actual hull, and then you have to defeat their energized hull plating/structural integrity field, before you can begin working on the ship's actual hull itself. All of that is basic ST technology , all of which vastly outclasses SW tech, and we haven't even touched on interphasic shielding and interphasic cloaks which makes the ship intangible, allowing it to fly through other ships, planets, and even stars undamaged, and also allows enemy weapons to pass through them without being harmed. One Sovereign Class ship could slice through an entire Galactic Empire armada all by itself. The only thing that would slow it down is if there were more star destroyers than they had torpedoes and they had to start using only phasers to finish off the remainder of the paper tigers.

[@Tracks2008]

@@UnknownUzer Not true at all. There are three different shields a SW ship can deploy. Those shields are; anti energy shields, a type that can stop physical objects and a type that does both. Also the armor on SW capital ships is actually quite thick and would take too long to penetrate. They can deploy all three to have "multi-layered' shielding. Also no the SW weapons are not shown to be overpowered and ST weapons are not shown to be underpowered those are the respective powers of the tech of both sides. All lasers are inherently plasma based to some extent. The ST ones generally have a higher amount of plasma but no where near enough to damage planetary crust. Of course even if they destroy a single VSD or ISD then Vader or Palpatine turn around and obliterate the entire federation fleet using the force. They can both literally move ships around with ease so they would literally slam each little ship into the other bringing down the fleet in mere seconds. Palpatine could even use chain lightning (like in episode nine) to obliterate the entire fleet in seconds. Also besides that the Empire would strike first and destroy the biggest ST ships around. The torpedoes might be a problem early in the war but the Empire would find a work around that nullifies the torpedoes and dominate the puny federation.

[@oliverlow2474]

Going off of on-screen and dialogue evidence in both universes, weapons range in Star Trek is consistently stated or shown to be MUCH greater than what we see demonstrated in Star Wars. Picture the space battle in RotS compared to the skirmish between the USS Phoenix and the Cardassian warships in TNG’s “The Wounded”, for instance. The warbird in this hypothetical duel should be able to fire at the star destroyer from orders of magnitude beyond the latter’s weapons range.

[@laisphinto6372]

I don't buy it especially when an actual war happens in star trek they get as close as star wars ships

[@Idazmi7]

I don't even think a Star Destroyer could survive the original Bird of Prey: it had a warp speed plasma weapon that destroyed a base constructed a mile deep into a solid iron asteroid. Also artificial gravity wells wouldn't work on Warp Drives because Warp Drives *_are_* essentially artificial gravity wells. Also, the Chimera would never be able to escape the singularity *_because it has a gravity well._*

[@storyteller5931]

@@laisphinto6372 There is nothing to buy. There are plenty of episodes where Star Trek ships fire at distances of hundreds of thousands of km. In the TNG episode The Wounded, a Nebula class Starship and a Cardassian Warship, exchange fired from around 300.000 km. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nabSYpysmNSmjNE&ab_channel=ThePoliticalLion

[@Ishlacorrin]

@@storyteller5931 Actually what you are showing is an outlier. 99 times out of 100, Trek combat is within a few hundred metres at most. Even when they SHOULD be using that range, they don't. They show an entire fleet closing to point blank range vs static space turrets, instead of hitting them from massive range. Hell even with ranges closer to a few kilometres at most, they should be able to hit something hundreds of kilometres away with photons, because physics. "An object in motion, stays in motion. Unless acted on by an outside force". Yet this never happens. I get that energy weapons would dissipate over those ranges considering Treks weak power in that regard, but missile style weapons only need an on hit trigger and the right aim to hit anything at almost any range you want.

[@storyteller5931]

​@@Ishlacorrin fighting at close ranges doesn't preclude that they can't fight at tens or hundreds of thousands of km. And saying that turrets are static, that is silly. By definition, turrets can't be static, they swivel around and their weapons can move up and down, but only the Abrams Trek movies used turrets. TOS had fore and aft phaser banks with a firing arc wide enough to cover their ships fully, and from TNG on, Trek ships began using phaser strips that were omnidirecional and gave them a 360 degree field of cover. Phaser fire particles called Nadions (fictional particles) that disrupt matter on an atomic level. So they can't be compared to direct energy weapons. We have seen examples of phasers being able to drill from several km to thousands of km of planetary crust in seconds, and even vaporize asteroids in seconds. If anything, Phasers are orders of magnitude more powerful than most sci-fi shows out there. It takes a single exemple to show Trek ships can fire at distances of thousands of km. But to debunk your claim that the episode "The Wounded" was an outlier, here are more examples: In TOS "The Changeling" the Enterprise opens fire on Nomad from 90,000 km away. In TOS "Journey to Babel" Kirk orders weapons to open fire at 75,000 km from the target. In TOS "The Deadly Years" Sulu reports that the Romulan weapons have an effective range of 50 to 100,000 km. This is around one hundred years before TNG. In TOS "Patterns of Force" the Enterprise destroys an incoming missile at 2,000 km. In DS9 "The Search" several Jem Ha'dar ships are going to pass at 100,000 km on a cloaked Defiant and is stated that that distance is well within their weapons range. In DS9 "Return to Grace" Kira aboard a Cardassian freighter, conducts a weapon's test on an asteroid at around 100,000 km. In VOY "Equinox part 2" Voyager fires on the Equinox at a range of 30,000 km. In "First Contact" The E-E fires quantum torpedoes on the Borg sphere in Earth orbit. The distance isn't stated, but visually we can see that it’s easily thousands of km. In VOY the episode "Non Sequitur" Harry Kim's runabout is fired from 5000 km away from a Nebula-Class Starship. In VOY "Human Error” Voyager fires a torpedo at a target 8 million km away This is just stuff I can remember from the top of my head. Yes I'm a Trek nerd. On why most of the times they fight at close range, Its because usually the ships already were that close before starting firing at each other. Or we can use Riker's explanation in the episode "A Matter of Honor", where e says that firing at shorter distances, cuts the response time from the enemy. And in that episode, Riker while serving as a First Officer on a Klingon Bird of Prey, advises the Captain to hold fire until they are within 40,000 km of the target, that in that instance was the E-D. So they being able to fire at distances of hundreds to thousands of km, is something that always existed since TOS, and hardly can be called an outlier. Of course that the real reason why most of the times we see ships fighting at close ranges, is because Directors, cinematically think that that is more appealing to audiences. whether they are right or wrong, that is irrelevant to this discussion.

[@chrispanossian]

So, in order to try to level the playing field you automatically removed Romulan cloaking and sensors, claimed that the Interdictors gravity well will work on Warp Drives, forgot that turbo-lasers put out less than half the joules of phasers and gave the Star Destroyer 10 times the shield strength of any Star Wars capitol ship. Against all of that the Romulan still pulled off a draw. Try it again without nerfing the Warbird and magically empowering the Star Destroyer.

[@markus-hermannkoch1740]

How can one toss a black hole with a non-negligible event horizon out of a warbird?

[@subjectnivleis7572]

any with the ebon hawk or the Sphyrna-class C80 corvette

[@Hartzilla2007]

I'm not sure gravity wells would disable a Warp Drive given a form of time travel involves sling shoting around a star at warp.

[@rancorius]

doesn't ion energy disable star trek shielding hence why ion storm are so deadly?

[@spartan078ben]

I would love to see a mashup design of Star Wars and Star Trek. A Galaxy-Class with turbolasers instead of phasers. A Star Destroyer with a phaser strip going all the way around. The possibilities are endless.

[@xenonproductions1990]

what about the triglavian collective vs the imperial empire?

[@FederationThunderbolt]

i want to see you do more Battle Scenarios like this one... maybe even from other sci-fi shows like Stargate, id honestly love to see how you would imagen the Federation Facing the Go'auld

[@jesusmalverde5064]

Same universe... different galaxy and time. "Long ago in a galaxy far away".

[@Gotime_project]

How Can the warbird tank a barrage from the star destroyer, but yet the fighters damage it more?

[@KH4444444444N]

The barrage from the Star Destroyerwould never even reach the warbird. The rommies can outmanuever the isd at impulse with eSe, and use their superior distance targeting sensors to basically destroy thevessel at distance and at will.

[@thegreenmanofnorwich]

Hmm. A sly, specific raid into another universe that has some unique or otherwise powerful technologies, rather than an all-out assault, seems like more of a Thrawn approach.

[@LancetFencing]

the warbird would fight at warp speeds so no contest

[@sendercorp]

Amazing work...

[@georgeronn1263]

Interesting premise, but how is it possible for lasers, even turbo lasers, to penetrate the shields of the Warbird or the Cruiser? Star Trek canon has ships with laser weapons as completely ineffective of the shields of Star Fleet vessels. Certainly the Romulans shields are as strong as Star Fleets.

[@Killerspieler0815]

most of it is true , but the Warbird is much stronger than a Stardestroyer & the TIE-Defender has not much use aganst these shields (Stat Trek shields are different than Star Wars sields) ... also the singulariy would have deactivated the hyperdrive (iunless they tinker on it to great risk) ...

[@enorris768]

I don't think the singularity is going to effect the SW ships like that. It is pretty well controlled, because otherwise it would be detectable while under cloak.

[@Killerspieler0815]

@@enorris768 - in the warbird the singularity is contained , but outsiode it can do its destruction (same applies to the antimatter reactor of Federation ships)

[@FunkMasterJunk]

I love it! Ill take quality over quantity any day and thats what you deliver.

[@generalgrievous696]

Romulans engage and disengage a battle to test opponents strength I don't see them just staying uncloaked and leaving themselves open to counter volleys also the tie defenders wouldn't be much of a surprise coming out of hyperspace since sensor's in the Trek universe were very Sophisticated much more so than star wars. If it was a squad of tie phantoms that could cloak I could see that. Also the torpedos they could launch would not penetrate romulan shields unless shields were already down from the isd. Whereas shields on ships in Star wars are designed to repel energy weapons they can't deflect proton torpedoes or other kinetic weapons. However shields in the Trek universe can soak attacks from energy and kinetic weapons like torpedoes without it going straight to the hull. I highly doubt that any captured droids like buzz droids wouldn't be kept in the most secure of containment fields

[@enorris768]

Fighters don't last long in the ST universe. At all. I wouldn't worry about them. It's because the weapons are computer controlled, and not aimed with the MK1 eyeball. Check out TNG Conundrum kzbin.info/www/bejne/ip3Sk42Ziq9sosk Starting at around 20 sec in.

[@MrZodiacify]

And don't forget romulan's are anti Androids they'd done away with the buzz droids long before they boarded the shipyards (aka stp)

[@enorris768]

@@MrZodiacify ehhhh. They aren't fanatical about it. Data didn't die right off when they captured him in Unification.

[@MrZodiacify]

@@enorris768 technically stp sort of instilled it as a fact and seeing as the tal shi'ar had their fingers In everyones pies and agent's on every ship in the empire I'm going with the ladder on this one

[@RobertWilke]

I know he wanted to make it a more interesting fight but nope not buying it. Yes the Star Destroyers are quite powerful. That said even the classic warbird would have made their day worse. One Plasma Torp and the shields if not a whole section of the Star Destroyer would be gone. Buzz Droids while they can be dangerous. At the first sign of trouble they'd be transported right off ship. They would never have gotten that close. Even if they did. Once the Commander knew they were loose all critical systems (that includes the Cloak and Warp Drive). Would have been heavily fortified with troops. I doubt they'd take that many Buzz droids in the first place. If I knew I had incoming and I had two functioning warbirds with me. I'd have them cloaked. Then as the battle went on, oh yeah decloak behind the interdictor and blow it to hell. Once that's done concentrate firepower on Thrawn's ship. The D'deridex can take the pounding from the star Destroyer easily. Meanwhile the two other warbirds would pummel the Star Destroyer from the back Targeting weapons and engines. The Tie advanced that Thrawn throws in later are a problem with proper shields. That sid all those fighters the Romulans have also have shields and better weapons. Let them take care of them. Without the commander being stupid and taking all those buzz droids this engagement would have gone a completely different way.

[@SWRadioConcepts]

Interesting, but it's canon that lasers won't even penetrate a star-trek universes navigation deflector. Of course, Star Wars tech is never really explained, as it's more "sci-fi fantasy" than science fiction. At least with star trek there is some science, or at least science theory behind how everything works.

[@resurrectedstarships]

I see this point all the time - I am so glad you made the later point though. Star Wars is WW2 in space far removed from hard sci-fi. They call them things like turbolasers, but they clearly are not lasers like we have on earth!

[@josesanchezrodriguez1783]

SW Tech is sometimes described. Turbolasers can't be laser weapons because they don't travel at the speed of light, furthermore, turbolasers are straight up referred to as plasma weaponry.

[@Not-Ap]

@@resurrectedstarships If you read the incredible cross sections for each movie overviewing the ships, buildings, and weapons it explains this. Star Wars weapon tech are for the most part are powered by Tabanna Gas. Which is basically compressed superheated plasma. The shields are plasma based too (for the most part) which is why Naboo was exporting it and why they were so rich.

[@Herandro_just_Herandro]

Amazing video!

[@Michael-fm8xx]

I never knew the D'Deridex could hold ships between it's hull! That's a really cool detail, and I think a tie if sorts between the two is spot on imo

[@MrZodiacify]

😑 it can but it'd fry anything in-between those nacelles warp fields tend to throw off a bit of radiation unless proper shielding is used

[@dragoontype00alphaz19]

@@MrZodiacify I always wonder why wing defenders look the way they do it would make sense that D'Deridex would be able to carry them

[@MrZodiacify]

@@dragoontype00alphaz19 in a shuttle bay maybe or attached to the outer hull (away from in-between the Nacelles) also in the entirety of star trek fighters are rarely used due to them being underpowered if a battle in space in star trek is going to happen it's going to be main vessel to vessel

[@dragoontype00alphaz19]

@@MrZodiacify wing defenders are size of light cruise and wouldn't really be in the way has tucked up into upper hull

[@MrZodiacify]

@@dragoontype00alphaz19 again that area in the middle of the D'Deridex is a literal microwave Nacelles create radiation when the warp engine is active and no it's always active

[@BernieGolgo13]

You forgot about Thrawn's Marg Sable and Sling Shot Attack. He would use those attacks in this scenario.