Star Trek - Corrupt Timeline

[@cyrilmauras4247]

I was very disappointed when Enterprise was cancelled. In its 4th season it was getting into stories that linked it with the original series.

[@insideoutsideupsidedown2218]

They started to make Archer into a beta, and the series suffered. You can tell when the writers start to get lazy, or lose interest.

[@nicholasmaude6906]

If S5 had had been filmed we'd have seen a massively rebuilt NX-01, baby Elizabeth would've been cured by Dr. Phlox and Trip and T'Pol would've got married.

[@AlphaPiscium]

Paramount would benefit by making a movie like Firefly did with Serenity.

[@mattheww2797]

They should have started there instead of all the time travel garbage

[@smileygabe22]

You can blame Les Moonves for all that crap and for selling Star treks soul

[@MariaMartinez-researcher]

Librarian here. That's the beauty of *paper.*

[@captmurdock]

There are some definite advantages, but that must be really durable paper: surviving intact after centuries and not in a controlled environment.

[@nsnopper]

Yes, time enough at last.

[@Inglonias]

Neil Gaiman liked to recall a conversation he had once with Douglas Adams, where Adams said something like this: "Books are sharks … because sharks have been around for a very long time. There were sharks before there were dinosaurs, and the reason sharks are still in the ocean is that nothing is better at being a shark than a shark.” There's nothing better at being a book than a book. Oh, sure, you can make a better library with electronic data. You can make a better reference guide with hyperlinked text. But there's nothing better than a book at being a book

[@STho205]

​@@Inglonias said a man that published books...yet he is only famous because he started as a screen and radio writer.

[@STho205]

HG Wells mentioned the flaw of paper in the 1st time travel novel

[@lonnybush5612]

Paper books should be for ever no matter what century.

[@Johnston212]

I know, right! I print out any relevant digital papers

[@donhawthorne8493]

This show desperately deserved a fifth season… if not more.

[@richardarriaga6271]

It was just getting good

[@insideoutsideupsidedown2218]

The augments were a very good series addition. The Khan backstory would have renewed the series.

[@coppulor6500]

"where's this library you've been talking about" "ummm...in the future its pronounced 'libary'"

[@DisposableSupervillainHenchman]

“Welcome to Costco. I love you.”

[@Mrree250]

Xing chiang Hanshi

[@deathstrike]

I believe Daniels makes a reference to this "event" during the timeline of Star Trek Discovery. This appears to be the remains of the "Imperial Universe". The books may be a reference to the outright paranoia and fear the Terran Empire had for their secrets being stolen. So instead of electronic recordings, they used books because short of an all out invasion, secrets were safe for them. Remember? Archer was not an important figure in Imperial History. However, he was a very decorated and outstanding hero in Federation History. The records aboard the USS Defiant that had interphased back though time and space to the 22nd Century showed how outstanding Archer truly was. The Imperial version of Archer was hateful and jealous of his Federation counterpart.

[@westrim]

That can't be it, because "everything looks right up to the warp 5 program," meaning that the Vulcans were on Earth doing their thing, while the Imperial timeline diverges right at first contact.

[@deathstrike]

@@westrim Yes but the Vulcans were unalived by Zephram Cochrane and their ship raided. Perhaps the technology was raided by them? And the Warp 5 program may have been the same due to this reverse engineering. And I would point out, that Enterprise "A Mirror Darkly" the Vulcans are somewhat rebels until T'Pol aids the future Empress Hoshi Sato and elevating the Vulcans to "equals" of the Terrans and the Empire at large. All divergent history does include the Vulcans as Spock eventually serves the Terran Empire and the Enterprise is with minor differences, similar to its Federation counterpart albeit with agony booths and much more firepower.

[@Eshanas]

@@deathstrike You can write Killed. Zefram kills the Vulcans. Then no, nothing would 'look right', because Earth kept researching Warp at an advanced pace, so much it had at least nine NX class ships by the time they were dealing with Vulcan rebels. It wouldn't look right at all. But Picard shows the Confederation universe is also out there.

[@deathstrike]

@@Eshanas I've found that the Google algorithm targets people who use the "k" sorry it's only to stop having my comments erased. Also, in Enterprise, A Mirror Darkly, I believe that Zefram Cochrane did indeed invent warp drive, and yes they had ships by then (Imperial Universe) but remember? The Empire might have taken what Cochrane learned about the Vulcan ship and used it to jump start their warp 5 program. Vulcans had advanced ships since antiquity. So it stands to reason a greedy and conquering Empire would use any thing it could steal to gain an advantage. So yes, from the raiding of the Vulcan ship, that could have made the Empire's Warp 5 the same as in the Prime Universe.

[@rubaiyat300]

@@westrim Well not really, while there might be something retrograde in how the Terrans curated their historical works, Phlox notes that Prime literature was basically soft compared to Terran, with only Shakespeare remaining as grim in both timelines. So the divergence goes back pretty far if Phlox was looking at the works of the Bard. Then again time travel in Trek is likely to be recursive, go back and change one thing and you change a dozen (or infinite) number of OTHER time travel events that further muck up the timeline.

[@Deltaflot1701]

You know if Daniels wore glasses, he'd look smarter :D

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

@@Deltaflot1701 he does in discovery

[@Deltaflot1701]

@@demarcusfaulkner7411 exactly

[@grimmy2444]

Too soon 😊

[@JimmyCerra]

There's time now too. Time enough at last.

[@grimmy2444]

@@JimmyCerra hehehehehe. THERE WAS TIMEEEEE………😭 Hope they have brail books 📚😆

[@aeonsbeyond]

I just noticed that they mention HG Wells and then the entire scene is torn straight out of The Time machine novel where the city is ruined and they go to a library

[@awedelen1]

what an excellent scene

[@johnwang9914]

Alternate timeline. It's just that they preferred their own timeline over this one.

[@MatthewJamesKalasky]

Well, obviously they prefer their own over THIS one.

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

Enterprise was awesome

[@HeavilyCensoredKitty]

Got even better after the Kilingons hijacked Enterprise.

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

@@HeavilyCensoredKitty agreed

[@jonmcinnis1645]

@@demarcusfaulkner7411 I respect your opinion on Star Trek: Enterprise BTW I think there should’ve been a Star Wars Clone Wars styled animated series focusing on the Earth-Romulan War

[@demarcusfaulkner7411]

@@jonmcinnis1645 thank you I think that would have been interesting.

[@jonmcinnis1645]

@@demarcusfaulkner7411 thanks and I imagine a Star Trek animated series focusing on the Earth-Romulan War could basically be Star Trek’s answer to Star Wars Clone Wars

[@esraeloh8681]

"There shouldn't be books here" Surely any sufficiently advanced race would set up some kind of basic steps & key knowledge for any survivors of whatever aploclyptic events that could occur, to be able to get some significant way close to be back to the same technological level. And try to make it as universally understandable as possible in the event that it's not found for centuries & so a whole new people & culture evolves, completely seperate from you & your peoples values. Why would any really advanced people literally not have some entirely analog way of accessing key information, that's kind of crazy.

[@mercian1030]

Someone knows about piling cages..respect to the technical people behind this scene.

[@eldrago19]

Dr Bright is not allowed to issue orders to "preserve the timeline" or "corrupt the timeline" or "really screw those history nerds".

[@toddkurzbard]

Considering the (apparently) worldwide devastation, that library survived pretty well. Books and ALL.

[@trevormillar1576]

If Daniels us from the 30th century, when did "The Burn" happen?

[@Orodreth888]

In a different timeline. Maybe not the prime timeline. There are a few by now

[@lonniemcclure4538]

Daniels was from the 31st century, while Discovery travelled to the 32nd century, meaning The Burn happened sometime between. Keep in mind the Discovery series made reference when they traveled to the future about the ban on time travel treaty that ended the temporal cold war.

[@jamesfunk7614]

i would have liked to have seen them using the card catalog.

[@xinguan2681]

0:17 HG Wells!!

[@captainr800]

The hilarious thing is there is an HG Wells Class Ship from Daniel time era.

[@develynseether4426]

I'd love to know more details. Why was Earth in ruins, who killed everyone?

[@richardarriaga6271]

Pulling Archer out led prevented the Federation from forming and Earth retreated into itself.

[@JB-yb4wn]

Only the US is, something about electing a wannabe dictator in 2024.

[@whocares435-z9v]

​@@JB-yb4wnYes, they elected Kamala and then her neo-liberal establishment foreign policy started unnecessary wars with China or Russia over preserving the American Empire, resulting in the wasteland you see in the video.

[@JB-yb4wn]

@@whocares435-z9v See what happens when you chew crayons? It makes you do dumb things like voting for Trump.

[@cristianruiz1972]

2:02 ¿Qué biblioteca es este y por lo tanto en donde están? What library is this and therefore where are they?

[@captainr800]

Well if the city is the place I think, it’s San Francisco, California. Since San Francisco is technically where Starfleet/Federation main academy is along with other departments such Federation Intelligence Division. There’s also the possibility it could also be Paris, France because in DS9 is where Federation president live and work, but I’m leaning towards San Francisco.

[@cristianruiz1972]

@@captainr800 Ok, thanks.

[@smileygabe22]

I dont understand how he got back though. How??

[@tbd-1]

Librarys always survive.

[@markfox1545]

What are they, are they similar to libraries?

[@tbd-1]

@@markfox1545 Very.

[@BladeOfLight16]

Tell that to the Library of Alexandria.

[@richardarriaga6271]

​@@BladeOfLight16Or the books of Institute of Sex in Berlin that was depicted in a famous photograph and in Indiana Jones. The info on the first sex-reassignment surgeries was burned.

[@Yeetin_Boomer_Actual]

Alexandria has entered the chat

[@Ocea8i53]

wait if their is little to no sun then it would be cold and lack of oxygen

[@ericpode6095]

That's always bothered me about Ice Planets in science fiction. Why would they have breathable atmospheres?

[@gg-eo6ez]

Hand wavium for this is easy, there was a dust storm over head and the entire planet isnt constantly that dark

[@sabrewolf4129]

Plants make oxygen, NOT sunlight

[@MusicAsWeMakeIt]

Time travel is the subject. Climate is not relevant to the story line.

[@Orodreth888]

​@@ericpode6095 Earth was once a snowball, but had Oxygen. Always dependa on the timeframe.

[@dnf-dead]

Oh boy !.... 😂😂😂

[@julianf.wheeler3665]

F. Murray Abraham?

[@foxyroxstar]

yeah 1:58 WATCHING Here In (actually it's..)1024! POST that WorldWideCataclysmicMudflood 1810-12circa! nice Library set!

[@andyf4292]

I didn't watch much of it... the theme tune..

[@peterbeilnhuber5040]

A false memory of a monument? A memory of something that never was? Is this a glitch in the timeline? -Possibly caused by intentional alterations made by time travelers?- Hmm, let me think if we could know this, these memories of something that never existed and never happened. Oh yes, how could I forget that. It was on the news back then and it was the news of the day. Laying the foundation for what is now known as the *Mandela Effect.* No wonder this spin off was no longer continued. An Alien Race shaping our _„history“_ to fit their own agenda.Was it to much or was ist to close?

[@JB-yb4wn]

Well I can see that we already in an alternate time line where "to" is used instead of "too", definitely has something to do with aliens.

[@donhawthorne8493]

I really hate how they watered down the Terran Imperium to make it a tired old racist trope. Weak writing of the worst kind.

[@STho205]

Thats because to most modern audiences fascist simply means insanely racist and nothing more. Most people in charge of culture (and those people exist) don't want you to understand the other aspects of the state-economics model, or even translate the speeches. You may draw inconvenient parallels to various progressive camps in the post Victorian era all the way to today. Remember we allied with Stalin to defeat the Axis..but just a couple of years prior...the Axis powers individually were being chatted up by the west as the best containment of the spread of radical communism....and home grown movements were used to root out local communists. Come Summer of 1941 and suddenly they're our heroic allies and we have always loved them....come 1947 they're again an existential threat. Me...I agree with Ferris. I don't like isms. All isms are bad things. I just want a car.

[@ralphmarx7554]

Did you watch TOS....?

[@Azazel2024]

Intelligent comment. Most people aren't educated enough to know better

[@StephenStumbke-p8y]

Terrible CGI lol