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Captain Kirk on the hate engendered on magnasquids

[@Anynom]

"Is that all they ever had, sir? The hate?" "No. But it's all they have now."

[@seankean4101]

"Warp factor 2 Mr. Sulu set course for starbase........4". "Captain." "Yes cadet what is it?" "Sir I don't know how this happened but there is a possibility that some of the people of Charon were able to leave the planet to preserve their race." "How did you find out about this?" "Someone I know said that some on both sides had banded together to save each other while the rest annihilated each other." "I'm sure you can tell us about it at star base 4 thank you cadet that is all."

[@Goodiesfanful]

In the Star Trek novel "No Time Like the Past", Kirk briefly swung by Cheron again and scans revealed Bele and Lokai had set up base on opposite sides of the planet. Maybe these two clowns finally found something they could agree upon - stay away from each other. At any rate, their presence is why the Federation still avoids Cheron, even in Seven of Nine's time.

[@scottgould6590]

That is one of the best lines in the entire history of this show.

[@markmerzweiler909]

"None at all sir," the deadpan tone of disgust was priceless.

[@bensisko4651]

Them running through the ship..... that look and feeling of lost, hopelessness, and hate they conveyed was deep...

[@ericbrett3095]

Brilliant acting by Frank Gorshin and Lou Antonio, These actors, as far as I am concerned, knew what was going on in the world and knew it would end only one way if they kept going.

[@stanleybroniszewsky8538]

The Democrats should watch this episode. They were directly responsible back in 2020 for all the race riots and ordered complete police departments to do absolutely nothing, just letting the rioters completely burn down all the stores and inflict physical injuries on countless Americans.

[@actioncom2748]

Captain Kirk going for his Luke Skywalker moment "Let go of your hate"

[@ericdunn7352]

Yoda: Consume you your hate will. Beale: I don't need a lecture from a pint size toad!! Palpatine: Yeess, I can feel your hatred, Give in to it and you can be my new apprentice.

[@RockinRhinox]

1:00 that is some peak, Frank Gorshin, acting right there.

[@theevilascotcompany9255]

Dated production values and hammy acting aside, this show was extremely well written, even by today's standards.

[@alexbowman7582]

Filmed in HD too apparently. They show it on some HD channel here in the U.K. in HD.

[@noturbeeswax6684]

Hell, it was BETTER BY FAR than "today's" standards!

[@luislaplume8261]

​@@noturbeeswax6684True! And the TV season of 2023, 2024 is nothing but social and political and economic propaganda that is worse than any early TV and radio stations from Nazi Germany, Facist Italy, and Imperial Japan and the Soviet Union.

[@chch_chris]

In the 1980s, the South African Broadcasting Corp (SABC) never showed this episode, nor the one when Kirk kissed Uhura.

[@stormcutter59]

Racism at its finest. Amazing how so many today would be surprised to see it come from their precious so called "oppressed group" the Africans.

[@SoccerPizza]

@@stormcutter59 Was this intentional irony or just stupidity?

[@stormcutter59]

@@SoccerPizza Oh it was intentional big guy and meant to literally mean the very thing you can Google translate into

[@DonaldRilea]

@@stormcutter59 Both episodes would have struck far too close to the bone regarding Apartheid Era South Africa's ideology and policies for those running the SABC at the time.

[@stormcutter59]

@@DonaldRilea I was referring to the current ravaging of America with Black Lives Matter and these riots. But yes that too. Amazing how we now deal with racism from the place we least expected it from today. That's the irony

[@Bootmahoy88]

This episode touches on a mythology that is timeless as it is regrettable.

[@luislaplume8261]

This was one of the best TV episodes ever aired of any TV series in the 1960s that I ever saw. 😊

[@RadioactvPanda]

Tracy Morgan brought me here

[@jamesmurray3128]

The greatest show in the history of Television.

[@rrock2025]

That title belongs to Breaking Bad

[@waltonsimons12]

@@rrock2025 I mean no disrespect to Breaking Bad-- it's an excellent show-- but it's not in the same league as Star Trek. Fifty years from now, they won't be preparing to release the 13th TV show in the Breaking Bad franchise, nor will you find people attending BreakCon '73 wearing pork pie hats.

[@Bacopa68]

Yeah, Trek tried to work out the turmoil of the sixties through metaphor when there were just mostly the big three.

[@als3022]

Nah the best show ever in the history of television is Wheel of Fortune.

[@balt292]

You hear about people talking about another Civil War and this scene is what I think of.

[@geoffwilliams4478]

Sadly, so do I.

[@evertonporter7887]

It makes me wonder why we haven't detected any extraterrestrial civilisations out there...

[@ericbrett3095]

1. I think it is the distances involved and 2. we are too immature of a species for aliens to contact us.

[@Easy-Eight]

You should read *The Three Body Problem* and *The Dark Forrest* . They explain why you'll never see or hear an extraterrestrial civilization.

[@christopherbacon1077]

Makes me wonder why we've lsted as long as we have

[@paulhunter6742]

How do you know we already haven't? Leaders of world governments are probably keep them a secret except for occasional sightings which get reported as UFOs

[@Goodiesfanful]

I like it that they don’t listen to Kirk and this time Kirk fails with the morality speech. It’s more realistic. It would have been so trite otherwise.

[@ferddnwampa234]

planets called share-on

[@stainlesssteelfox1]

Shenron, I thought.

[@tuschman168]

0:48 "Everybody's dead, Dave"

[@barana24]

Hahah. everybody's dead, Dave. everybody's dead, Dave. everybody's dead, Dave. everybody's dead, Dave.

[@johnwagner4776]

It's still amazing that those skin-tights made it past the NBC censor...

[@JW-do2wc]

50,000 yrs is ridiculous. Because these guys didn't even age.

[@ResidentBob79]

They were aliens. They could direct the ship with the power of their will, shield themselves from phasers and burn out certain instruments in the bridge. If they can do that, then why can't they live tens of thousands of years and not age much?

[@clarag762]

the hate " one of the causes of those World Wars

[@dr-sy1fs]

clara guerra No. The hate can be correlated, but partially is fabricated and a mechanism used as a tool, it is a response, not a root cause. It is not a motivating factor of those that make the decisions the get the ball rolling. Read "War is a Racket" by Smedly Butler.

[@Pimsleurable]

There is no greater motivation than hatred.

[@overdrive7349]

Pimsleurable it will turn you into a monster

[@chrismc410]

Kirk will find out the hard way in 15 years

[@Makeyourselfbig]

Must have been terrible to live on a planet were all the men have to wear tights. No wonder their civilisation collapsed. Although I do find it hard to believe they have been running around the galaxy for 50,000 years without phoning home from time to time to see how things are going.

[@Rhubba]

Judging by Lokai's bulge he wouldn't have had trouble attracting the ladies.

[@ericdunn7352]

When you commented on the men wearing tights, maybe the women wear mini dresses.

[@vernonnilesjr8752]

Remember this episode luv this scene 👊🙏👍💯💪

[@doktorzoom]

For some reason, every time Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney debate, this scene comes to mind.

[@geoffwilliams4478]

Distron lb this should now be relevant to Bernie Sanders versus Trump

[@scottgould6590]

Lmao The ironic thing is that no leader is ever the problem, their followers are.

[@Goodiesfanful]

This episode has been compared to The Sneetches, but the way those guys carry on here reminds me of The Zax.

[@paulhunter6742]

I think makeup artist could come up with more realistic makeup than black/white shoe polish. It's a distraction which belaying seriousness of subject matter.

[@randymillhouse791]

Beal, Lokai, WELCOME TO THE UNITED HATES!

[@Goodiesfanful]

I wonder if Bele and Lokai will return in a Star Trek episode. Recasting them shouldn't be difficult - after all, how do you discern individual features under all that clown makeup?

[@MOIZIYAH]

Captain Kirk on the hate engendered on magnasquids

[@TorrenGenn]

I never understood why the writers made their chase over 50,000 years. It seems ridiculous, I mean 50 years seems more possible. Plus the planet was still on fire when they got there, did the conflict happen 50,000 years ago or just recently? This episode would have been much less confusing if they made their chase and war much more recent than ancient.

[@paulhunter6742]

The film of surface of Sheron was probably old stock footage. There no way fires still burning 50 thousand years later.

[@mrfarts5176]

I mean if one of these races were 20% of the population and committed 80% of the crime and had 80% of their children in single parent homes, maybe the hate was justified

[@TeChNoWC7]

@@mrfarts5176but that’s not the case so

[@mrfarts5176]

@@TeChNoWC7 How do you know?

[@steveoh9285]

Considering the divisive, upside world we now live in, Earth will eventually suffer the same fate as their planet.

[@Easy-Eight]

Nope. It will mostly be Chinese.

[@paulhunter6742]

If pollution, climate change, and genetic manipulation of our food chain doesn't destroy us first.

[@InweTaralom]

What's a magnasquid?

[@jamesshippIII]

So where did hate come from anyway?

[@daddystu7046]

Their hate? Racism... different colours on different sides of their faces.

[@paulhunter6742]

Loki people were white on right side of their faces. Beale people white on left side of their faces? Ridiculous...😢

[@jimmyzhao2673]

Do these guys have a really long life span ?

[@waltonsimons12]

Yep. Bele stated he'd been chasing Lokai for 50 thousand years. There's no way to know for certain, but my guess is that they lived anywhere from 150 thousand to half a million years.

[@Professor_Fate]

@@waltonsimons12 Or. . . their counting was based on the rotation of THEIR planet around THEIR sun.

[@waltonsimons12]

@@Professor_Fate True, but even then, it's likely that they're several thousand Earth years old. Let's assume that their biology is similar enough to ours that they require liquid water to survive. This means that Charon must have had liquid water for much of its history. In the real world, of all the exoplanets that orbit within their stars' habitable zone (i.e. where liquid water can exist), the one with the shortest year that I could find is Kepler-1649c, with a year of 19.5 Earth days. Let's assume that 19.5 is the lower bound on how short a year can be for a planet without orbiting so close that liquid water becomes impossible. In that case, Bele was chasing Lokai for 50,000 Charonian years, or 50,000 x 19.5 Earth days, or 975,000 Earth days, or 2,669.4 Earth years. So Bele started chasing Lokai around the Earth year 400 BCE. Thank you for coming to my TED talk. 🙂

[@l337pwnage]

No, just very badly written plot points.

[@daddystu7046]

@@Professor_Fate Universal translator should've converted the units for us.

[@user-pd7yy1lf6j]

return evil for evil to no man

[@magicsinglez]

This was one of the dumbest Star Trek episodes. A 10 year old is more intelligent or more aware than Beal. His arguments, his ideas don’t makes sense. One could pretend to believe these things, to ‘support a side’ but his apparent illogic is too profound to consider. The episode is an insult to viewers, or anyone not stupid. A 10 year old could see that. Watching as a 50 year old, this is a good episode. The emotions at least feel real. The plot device, or whatever, where Beal and Loki are super-powerful, works. You can disagree with the episode, or recognize it as stupid and insulting, or like it very much, as an old man. Either way. But the ending, where both are trotting after one another through the halls of the ship and then the planet, this may be one of the most moving scenes ever shown on television.

[@mrfarts5176]

I mean if one of these races were 20% of the population and committed 80% of the crime and had 80% of their children in single parent homes, maybe the hate was justified.

[@wilbertjohnson9289]

Trump's MAGA republican voter's should see and understand this episode just maybe the hate can stop in the USA

[@kylejacobson9587]

Whoosh

[@djmars1983]

And maybe Joe Biden's "build back better" Democrat voters should see and understand this episode as well.All you people ever do project,throwback,call us names. Abandoned making America great again. use catch-all terms. Abandoned nuance and go for black and white simplistic answers.

[@als3022]

Never be comfortable or 100% sure that you aren't the one the message is meant for. For either side.

[@heuristicalgorithm8465]

they must come from planet democrat

[@waltonsimons12]

?

[@Professor_Fate]

Give it a rest, jerk.

[@mattlebaron]

It's like you totally missed the point of the episode...that rampant tribalism - whether due to race, nationality, or political party - breeds hatred and ultimately destruction.

[@djmars1983]

​@@mattlebaron exactly the problem is Humanity cannot abandon its tribalism it can't abandon emotion for the sake of logic and reason and I'll tell you why it is the coldness of the human soul that the Democrats and Republicans but mostly the Democrats more recently have embraced because they want a public apology for January 6th. they want theater. For the Democrats to be the good guy and the Republicans at least in their current form to be the bad guy. to be the throwback. And to see either the Republicans become extinct or reformed and to become the "pets" / servants of the Democratic Party

[@als3022]

Humans are naturally tribal because the human mind can only really empathize, truly empathize (Not pretend empathize to look good) with a small number of people. Its where the statement "The death of a single person is a tragedy, the death of a million a statistic." Our minds may abstractly understand how horrible that is, and visualization helps, but a single story has more bang at times because it's personal. Another note is that we are a social creature and instinctively make bonds with others of our kind for survival. However, resources are limited. And bonds and loyalties go only to a certain number of people of either similar physicality or beliefs.

[@FingerinUrDaughter]

wait hold on what. did kirk just commit genocide to stop those 2 from fighting? jesus christ old star trek was trash.

[@MaestroTJS]

Uh, no, where did you get the idea they committed genocide? And this episode wasn't trash at all, but it seems people can't get past the different aesthetic and type of acting people did in the '60's, which is unfortunate.

[@peterjumper881]

No, that's completely incorrect. They arrive at the planet and FIND that its ALREADY dead and that the people on it killed each other sometime in the 50,000 years that those two aliens have been in pursuit of/flight from the other.

[@evertonporter7887]

@@peterjumper881 That was the saddest part of this episode. Their planet wasn't itself dead, but their entire civilisation was destroyed. They were now the last of their species left, and their extinction was now imminent. There was nothing left to fight for. Only their hate was left.

[@ResidentBob79]

@@evertonporter7887 And still they fought :-(

[@8BitDarkNESsR3v14]

maybe watch the whole episode instead of just hating