Star Wars vs Startrek; Borg Attack The Death Star { Original version }

The Borg engage the Empire in a large space battle and attempt to assimilate the Deathstar into the collective, while the Borg Queen tries to negotiate with the Emperor for the surrender of the Empire.
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[@Shadowwolf34965]

The Borg would never adapt to the storm trooper weapons, cause the storm troopers would never land a shot! XD

[@TFWKnightconvoy]

Well, that is a fair statement haha

[@ASNS117Zero]

That's... probably the most accurate Trek vs. Wars statement I've ever seen. Well done.

[@davidsmith5815]

thats... true lol

[@spaceboi1472]

Shadow Mutt BA DUM TSS!

[@runningdog415]

assimilate a tie fighter, dock with death star end.

[@schmittelt]

Vader actually already is a sort of a Borg to begin with...

[@theufoexperience3859]

He was FORCED into it.

[@morgothfromangband6082]

The Borg queen would be fascinated by him. 😁

[@dancastro9274]

@@morgothfromangband6082 And Vader would kill her by strangulation

[@morgothfromangband6082]

@@dancastro9274 The queen would like to make him her boyfriend like she tried with Data and Picard.

[@RenneDanjoule]

No. The use of cybernetics in the Star Wars universe is clearly limited. And clearly by the force or faith. Much like it would in the real world, or should. Borg cybernetics, and being linked to an AI, via Neuralink. Coming to a home near you, in the America social conglomerate of assimilated atomized individuals...leading a federation of supra-national states via Freemasonry. Every race color and creed...a true Borg collective America is.

[@btly-wing6531]

Random Y-Wing flying around in the battle: "How did I get here, I didn't sign up for this!" I also like how the Empire apparently has two Death Stars at once

[@agriperma]

Not to mention the Undine ( Species 8472 ) that showed up for the party.

[@Mr_BrokenKeyboard]

@Michael Dinneweth fluidic space

[@sonigokuu]

The ability to assimilate an army is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

[@MadnessIncTV]

the Emperor thought he assimilated Darth Vader..those implants to a devastated body and that hate,attached to those implants, the Emperor used the hate from Darth Vader to feel the power of the Dark side,he assumed that Vader would never turn on him ..his gut force feeling betrayed him and cost him his life,when Darth Vader saw his own son being killed .. the force the dark side has betrayed the emperor a few times i.e. the destruction of the death stars, his most powerful force never saw those coming

[@JeanLucCaptain]

Keep telling yourself that. THE FLESH IS WEAK.

[@jerryroach881]

U forgot one thing.....Restence is Fultile.(had to say it.).

[@darthplagueis4626]

"Power is irrelevant. Force is irrelevant. You will be assimilated."

[@KH4444444444N]

Midichlorians are irrelevant. The Force is irrelevant, all will become one with the Borg.

[@TempusFugitGaming]

The amount of work in editing and cutting from movies and shows in the first few minutes is simply mind blowing...... my hat is most definitely off to you sir! Please keep doing what your doing!

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

those borg are like a turd that won't flush

[@Jack29151]

The Borg learned a VERY painful lesson.....Don't provoke the emperor! lol

[@antonquintus578]

This is amazing! Such great editing and even the reused clips were spread out so it wasn't obvious, I know I watched way more of them than I even noticed. Great ending too. My personal favorite was the Emperor dialogue stuff, that had to be hard to do! Thank you for making this.

[@1978Prime]

the dialogue between the borg queen the the emperor in the first segment was the hardest part of the video to make.

[@TheBlackB0X]

If you really want to go crazy we can always pull out the thousands of alternate dimensions, including mirror universe, Starwars vs a converging singularity of an infinite number of Borg galaxies exist brought to you by Q.

[@RunningWithRoses]

correct me if I am wrong, but the borg would have difficulty adapting to SW weapons as they are not lasers and do not have frequencies. They are charged particles, closer to a kinetic weapon than a light-based one. Seeing as the borg have huge difficulty stopping kinetic based weaponry, that means they would be highly vulnerable to SW turbolasers and blasters.

[@Cobaltclass]

Actually no, in the realm of Star Trek I believe the question of laser vs phaser weaponry and shield abilities was covered in Star Trek: The Next Generation. Lasers were formerly used by many of the races and later replaced by Phaser technologies that proved far more advanced. Most but not all Phasers are classified as particle weapons and fire nadioin particle beams. (Nadion is an artificially-generated/exotic particle.) Phasers are three generations of technology up from laser technology in the Star Trek Universe. The reason for Phasers and not Lasers? Phasers produce all the effects of Lasers but through the use of exotic particles and modulation they can do much much more, and they pack a considerably larger punch for the same input. In one episode of The Next Generation a ship using laser technology threatened the Enterprise, and the crew noted that lasers would not even penetrate the navigation shields. They did not ask how powerful the lasers were, but the nature laser technology was so antiquated and easily defended against they felt comfortable dropping their defense shields in favor of just using the navigation deflectors.

[@RunningWithRoses]

Cobaltclass While this is very interesting and useful, I don't see what this has to do with SW weaponry, as I pointed out that turbolasers are not lasers. the primary difference between a turbolaser shot and a phaser is phasers have frequencies but turbolasers do not, correct? the whole reason the borg can deflect shots is because they can match the frequency of the shots, right (which in real life wouldn't stop the beam but whatever its sci-fi)? So, seeing as how turbolasers do not have frequencies they would still pass through the borg shields.

[@MrMikellsof88]

They might be closer to kinetic weaponry than to laser weaponry, but they're still an energy weapon. Charged particles are a form of energy. So in effect they do have "energy frequencies", but in the Star Wars universe, there's none of that frequency re-modulation stuff because there's never been a foe that could outright negate the damage. And the Borg have never had problems adapting to kinetic weapons. How many torpedos were fired at Locutus's ship at Wolf 359, do you think? How many did the Enterprise-D fire at that same ship to no effect after they'd taken those first couple of hits. All it requires is analysing the damage type and severity of that first hit, and then reinforcing the hull against that for future combat. Now that said, I'm a MASSIVE fan of Star Trek beating Star Wars just on the basis of the Borg. I love both franchises (pre Jar-Jar Failbrams) equally, and while Lightsabers and the Force are pretty awesome, the overwhelming numbers of the Collective would prove far too much for even the number of Jedi and Sith in the Darth Bane era, let alone the Rebellion or Legacy Eras. That, and the fact that Lightsabers are a plasma weapon, which, again, another form of energy. Take down a few dozen drones, sure, but then they adapt and suddenly it's like hitting a wall. However, within Trekverse, the Borg threat has been severely downplayed and isn't as realistic as it should be. Biggest example of this is the fact that they quite obviously have time travel technology but always, ALWAYS wait until there's a Federation starship around before using it, thus granting the enemy they wanted to erase from existence the opportunity to stop them. The Queen, realistically (yes, I know, IT'S FICTION. But still ...) ISN'T that stupid.

[@JamesBond77]

Michael White Sorry but canon says that the Borg cannot adapt to kinetic weapons. Star trek torps release THERMAL ENERGY not kinetic energy. They said that many in the shows. ''This myth is clearly refuted by the canon films and episodes. In STFC, we see that although a Borg cube can become seemingly impervious to the weapons of a single Federation starship, it cannot withstand the massed attack of dozens of Federation starships. This demonstrates that Borg "adapted shield" lower limits are somewhere above the firepower of a GCS and below the massed firepower of a fleet containing dozens of Federation starships. We can also see Borg cubes being blasted into fragments by Species 8472 bio-ships and destroyed by simple planetary debris in "Scorpion". And of course, we all know that Borg drones are helpless against any sort of physical attack, whether it's the claws of Species 8472, the bullets of Picard's tommy-gun in STFC, a well-thrown elbow, or one of Worf's various artfully sculpted slicin' and dicin' toys.'' Star wars ships can be fitted with mass drivers and the Borg would not be able to adapt to these weapons since they are not energy weapons. Bye bye borg. Vader was seen destroying multiple droids with the Force, the Borg would be no different. So no need for Sith not Jedi to use lightsabers just use the Force. Time travel is useless : '' Although the "many worlds" theory may have been discredited in real life, it seems to be the only way to explain Star Trek time travel as we've seen it on the show. It explains causality paradoxes in "City on the Edge of Forever" and STFC, and it also explains why time travel is not being used to solve problems, because it means that time travel doesn't really change anything. It only moves the traveller into an alternate universe where events unfold more to his liking. An interesting consequence of this explanation is that we've really been following a group of characters as they move from timeline to timeline, so we haven't stayed in a single universe throughout the series run of Star Trek. '' For all these reasons star wars wins.

[@RunningWithRoses]

Michael White ...Did you just say that plasma is a form of energy? I hate to break it to you but plasma is a form of matter....the 4th form to be precise. There is solid, liquid, gas, and plasma And the particles used in SW could be energy particles, such as photons OR they could just as easily be actual particles of matter that have been imbued with high levels of energy, such as the charged protons found inside a star. Its not really specified in SW what type of particle it is, but seeing as the turbolaser shots act more like plasma than light, it would make more sense for the particle to be made of matter rather than energy And if we are doing an honest comparison, The sith would just create a force storm that would eradicate the borg fleet Search the internet, you will know it to be true (that SW reference though)

[@Kmakmizzle]

This was absolutely terrific. I'm highly impressed. Please do more!

[@1978Prime]

I don't intend to make another Star wars or Star Trek video at this stage, but I am working on a Catzilla video using my own cat and friends as actors. After that, I will make a light saber fight video with me and a friend.

[@looneyburgmusic]

This really makes no sense at all... the Borg would decimate the Empire, and would have no trouble at all assimilating the Death Star.

[@arch9enius]

The Empire seemed to get smart to them here. Way too quickly considering its' unwieldy nature if you ask me. They'd hAVe sent a couple of planets worth of cannon fodder before getting the rotating-frequency blabbidy bollocks and can a crude blaster even do that?

[@Bbobsillypants]

+arch9enius the empire might be able to hold off a substantial amount of borg cubes in the deathstar but only if the borg cant figure out a way to beam through their deflector shields which i imaginr are slighlty more primitive than star trek so unlikly.

[@arch9enius]

***** Yeah, beaming and assimilating ships would be their trump card. The Empire would end up shooting shiploads of their own people. Which I think they'd happily do mind.

[@looneyburgmusic]

Teddie Wai All it would take is one single drone to get aboard a Star Destroyer... And then one becomes two... two become four... four become twenty... twenty become a hundred. The Empire might have some success in the beginning of a war, but in the end the Borg ability to assimilate anything they touch means game over in the end.

[@looneyburgmusic]

***** Sure we do.... And I just don't see any Sith winning a fight against 10 Billion drones who are beaming in constantly for a couple of years straight... That's the thing - The instant the Borg Queen became aware of Vader she would not hesitate to sacrifice the entire collective to get just one nanoprobe in him. And once she has Vader, the Empire is toast.

[@delluminatis]

rofl dont think borg cube would be running from star destroyer

[@artificialgravitas8954]

Delluminati Cube is FAR larger.

[@theoneaboveall4533]

A Star Destroyer is equipped with tons of cannons and fighters. Their cannons have extremely strong firepower too, firepower that can destroy cities with in seconds. It won't take one hit though. It will take many to destroy the Borg Cube as the defenses are tough.

[@Drillgon]

Destroy city within seconds? A single Borg gravimetric torpedo could destroy a city.

[@vampricyoda]

Protip: Comparing who'd win in ANY fiction is silly. Do you know who'd win this battle? Whoever the writers needed to.

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

Protip: You're silly for having submitted a stupid statement that can easily be proven wrong.

[@JamesBond77]

The Empire would win vs the Borg with ease because of this : ''All right, so a Star Destroyer probably doesn't have any strong resonant frequencies, and phase-coherence does not make phasers more powerful. But what if a Star Trek ship matches frequencies with its shields? Its weapons will punch straight through, right? Wrong. This myth stems from Star Trek precedent, not real life. In "The Wounded" and Star Trek: Generations and too many other incidents to count, we've seen that if an enemy matches your shield frequency, his weapons will go right through. But what does it mean to match a shield frequency? Why should a shield have a frequency at all? Think about it: does the armour of a modern tank have a frequency? No. Do magnets have frequencies? Not necessarily. A permanent magnet has no frequency to speak of, and an electromagnet has the frequency of its power source. For example, an electromagnet powered by a 60Hz AC supply will produce a magnetic field which oscillates at ... surprise! 60Hz. So why do Star Trek shields oscillate at a fixed frequency? Oscillation is a weakness, not a strength; if a field oscillates, then this means that its amplitude changes over time, which is not a good thing for a defensive system. In an AC-powered electromagnet, the magnetic field fluctuates between +B and -B, so there are finite moments when its field strength is zero!. In theory, a constant bombardment of energy would achieve some penetration of an oscillating shield regardless of whether it's at full strength or not. This would explain why Star Trek ships start taking damage before their shields fail, and it would also help explain the usefulness of "multi-phasic shields" (as well as the fact that they aren't used in battle1). It might be reflected when the shield is at its peaks, but it will get through during the valleys. So again, why would they do this? It sounds like a bad idea all around, and there is only one reasonable answer: it's because they must shoot through their own shields. In the TNG era, the ship uses a one-piece shield (an ellipsoid bubble which surrounds the ship). They can vary its size and shape, but they do not appear to have the ability to open small holes in it. The whole thing is either up, or it's down. So when they fire phasers or torpedoes, what are they to do? Their shields are not uni-directional (we've known since TOS that they can't transport in or out of a ship with its shields up), so they need some way of blocking incoming fire while allowing outgoing fire to leave unimpeded. This is where phase and frequency finally come into play. If they use a frequency and phase coherent weapon such as a phaser, and they match it to their shield frequency (precisely 180 degrees out of phase), then it would theoretically pass right through with minimal impedance. The principle is similar to early fighter aircraft, which linked the firing rate of their machine guns to their propellers so the bullets would pass between the propeller blades. This allows them to fire phasers without dropping shields, but it also gives enemies a potential Achilles Heel to exploit. The same applies to torpedoes; they must incorporate some kind of device to locally neutralize an area of the shield on their way out, and it would presumably do so by producing a small mini-shield at 180 degrees out of phase to the main shield, to cancel out a small hole (this would explain how the Klingons fired through the Enterprise-D's shield in Star Trek: Generations, and it would also explain how Borg drones can walk through Federation forcefields2). None of this nonsense is necessary. Ships that rely on highly conductive or reflective armour (eg- Battlestar Galactica, Species 8472 from Voyager, Voyager itself in its series finale, and possibly the ships of Babylon 5) would have no frequency; the armour is simply there, with no frequency-related Achilles Heel to exploit. Ships that can open small holes in their shields (eg- Star Wars ships, as demonstrated at the landing bay of the Neimoidian battleship in TPM) also don't need to worry. They can open a hole for each gun, so their shield frequency can be set to zero, thus completely eliminating frequency-based exploits. Much has been made of the fact that the Borg can pass through Federation shields. But most Trekkies have ignored the possibility that this is a Federation vulnerability rather than a Borg strength. After beaming onto the Enterprise-D and examining its shield design in "Q Who", I can only imagine that the Borg Collective laughed their collective asses off when they discovered that the Federation employs a shield which conveniently oscillates on and off for them!''

[@JamesBond77]

Karly Johnston Borg ships use lasers and all star trek ships are getting destroyed by these same lasers making all of our points invalid.

[@yep9557]

It's weird, When someone's part of an army against another, they can be weaker in too many places, but in a starship against another, they're too strong, but the Borg are the opposite. They're nearly indestructible as infantry.

[@libertyrogue2645]

You can hardly compare the two, Star Wars isn't even Science-fiction, it's Science-Fantasy, what with the Jedi Knights with their mystical Force and all.

[@libertyrogue2645]

***** The midi-chlorians were only introduced in the later iterations of SW, you know, the ones most of the fans hate, partly because of the midi-chlorians themselves. Before that, it was mostly a faith thing. Apart from that, the introduction of a God-like figure in Science-fiction isn't new, Stargate SG-1 had the Ancients and Ori, 2001 A Space Odyssey had the Starchild, and last I checked, these were both sci-fi. Humans and other mundane aliens with magical powers and wielding swords of light is more medieval fantasy set in space than anything.

[@magamagahashke]

and the whole bajoran prophets of deep space nine...star trek has weird fantasy elements as well.

[@KhanGarth]

***** Star Trek is rooted in way more science fact than Wars is. the technology in Trek has about 100 times more of a chance of happening than Wars has. warp drive is plausible, transporters are plausible (we have actually already made a proof-of-concept transporter that beamed a small particle or something across the room), heck cell phones were inspired directly by the communicators in TOS. about the only tech in SW thats plausible are the blasters. lightsabers will NEVER happen (you cant make light come out only a few feet and stop without INSANELY powerful gravitational forces which could not be contained in a small hilt), hyperdrive is not explained well enough and isnt possible unless it functions just like warp drive (in which case Lucas ripped that off of ST), etc

[@KhanGarth]

glorifying Columbus how?

[@ericstaples7220]

Joshua Eastman It's made pretty clear that the prophets are just aliens, especially since all but one alien species calls them the wormhole aliens.

[@KuPaoChicken]

It was so bad that I loved it! Galaxy spanning Star Wars universe would smoke the Borg. S'great man. I hope you do more cool stuff like this. The best and best looking was Darth Vader fighting Borg. Nice job man.

[@JamesBond77]

Frequency myth 2: Shield Frequency All right, so a Star Destroyer probably doesn't have any strong resonant frequencies, and phase-coherence does not make phasers more powerful. But what if a Star Trek ship matches frequencies with its shields? Its weapons will punch straight through, right? Wrong. This myth stems from Star Trek precedent, not real life. In "The Wounded" and Star Trek: Generations and too many other incidents to count, we've seen that if an enemy matches your shield frequency, his weapons will go right through. But what does it mean to match a shield frequency? Why should a shield have a frequency at all? Think about it: does the armour of a modern tank have a frequency? No. Do magnets have frequencies? Not necessarily. A permanent magnet has no frequency to speak of, and an electromagnet has the frequency of its power source. For example, an electromagnet powered by a 60Hz AC supply will produce a magnetic field which oscillates at ... surprise! 60Hz. So why do Star Trek shields oscillate at a fixed frequency? Oscillation is a weakness, not a strength; if a field oscillates, then this means that its amplitude changes over time, which is not a good thing for a defensive system. In an AC-powered electromagnet, the magnetic field fluctuates between +B and -B, so there are finite moments when its field strength is zero!. In theory, a constant bombardment of energy would achieve some penetration of an oscillating shield regardless of whether it's at full strength or not. This would explain why Star Trek ships start taking damage before their shields fail, and it would also help explain the usefulness of "multi-phasic shields" (as well as the fact that they aren't used in battle1). It might be reflected when the shield is at its peaks, but it will get through during the valleys. So again, why would they do this? It sounds like a bad idea all around, and there is only one reasonable answer: it's because they must shoot through their own shields. In the TNG era, the ship uses a one-piece shield (an ellipsoid bubble which surrounds the ship). They can vary its size and shape, but they do not appear to have the ability to open small holes in it. The whole thing is either up, or it's down. So when they fire phasers or torpedoes, what are they to do? Their shields are not uni-directional (we've known since TOS that they can't transport in or out of a ship with its shields up), so they need some way of blocking incoming fire while allowing outgoing fire to leave unimpeded. This is where phase and frequency finally come into play. If they use a frequency and phase coherent weapon such as a phaser, and they match it to their shield frequency (precisely 180 degrees out of phase), then it would theoretically pass right through with minimal impedance. The principle is similar to early fighter aircraft, which linked the firing rate of their machine guns to their propellers so the bullets would pass between the propeller blades. This allows them to fire phasers without dropping shields, but it also gives enemies a potential Achilles Heel to exploit. The same applies to torpedoes; they must incorporate some kind of device to locally neutralize an area of the shield on their way out, and it would presumably do so by producing a small mini-shield at 180 degrees out of phase to the main shield, to cancel out a small hole (this would explain how the Klingons fired through the Enterprise-D's shield in Star Trek: Generations, and it would also explain how Borg drones can walk through Federation forcefields2). None of this nonsense is necessary. Ships that rely on highly conductive or reflective armour (eg- Battlestar Galactica, Species 8472 from Voyager, Voyager itself in its series finale, and possibly the ships of Babylon 5) would have no frequency; the armour is simply there, with no frequency-related Achilles Heel to exploit. Ships that can open small holes in their shields (eg- Star Wars ships, as demonstrated at the landing bay of the Neimoidian battleship in TPM) also don't need to worry. They can open a hole for each gun, so their shield frequency can be set to zero, thus completely eliminating frequency-based exploits. Much has been made of the fact that the Borg can pass through Federation shields. But most Trekkies have ignored the possibility that this is a Federation vulnerability rather than a Borg strength. After beaming onto the Enterprise-D and examining its shield design in "Q Who", I can only imagine that the Borg Collective laughed their collective asses off when they discovered that the Federation employs a shield which conveniently oscillates on and off for them!

[@hermitvoncrab7174]

Insignificant to the power of the force

[@Tim3shark]

Startrek has stronger weapons and shields, but star wars has faster ships.

[@AvangionQ]

I'd say the biggest distinction is that Trek had vastly superior sensors, means their phasers didn't miss, could detect and avoid the arc range of the Death Star's main cannon ... gizmodo.com/who-would-win-in-an-all-out-battle-star-wars-or-star-t-1676075613

[@marcmorgan7796]

how are they faster? Don't star wars ships have to follow a route? Warp speed is many many many times faster than the speed of light and you can set course to any destination without having to follow a mandated route, I think I would prefer warp for the strategic value as a predetermined route can be sabotaged

[@Perich29]

in Star wars, they don't have beaming technology.

[@scottgrohs5940]

Warp speed actually folds space but is not faster than light. Hyperdrive is faster than light. If the Imperial ships came to the Milky Way Galaxy, their engines would fail or produce unintended consequences that might be catastrophic to the ships.

[@scottgrohs5940]

Because in our galaxy faster-than-light travel is a physical impossibility for something made of matter.

[@Zeina107]

oh shit species 8472 joined the fight1:55

[@1978Prime]

This is a new video I'm making of Voyager vs the Death Star. Feedback is most welcome as it is far from completed. [ no nerd rage about who would win please ] Voyager vs star wars preview; [ incomplete edit ]

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

waaaay too much dialog...😢I love Voyager but the more talking there is, the more apparent the Janeway appearance differences. But now u got me wanting to see the rest! 😃 Oh yeah, couldnt hear the bad guy's voice... many times. 🔊

It would be rather something like "We're under attack" "They're using lasers" "How queint, beam a plasma torpedo onto their bridge"

[@adullin]

or beam them near their reactor.

[@adullin]

Travel withing the shielding like the beings did.

[@adullin]

Travel withing the shielding like the xwings did sorry auto-correct.

[@rpcarnell]

the Stormtroopers probably missed every single shot.

[@arkangel7j]

+Ygor Nimoy and a buncha FED redshirts would die anyway even tho they weren't even in the fight :P

[@Sherwoody]

Their aim is so bad, you don’t want to use the washroom after they’ve been in there.

[@morbius109]

0:40 - the Emperor is like "lol wut"

[@thedarkconservatarian6806]

I loved this. I just knew the Empire would win. Great editing. Stormtroopers kicked butt. Darth Vader was too much of a challenge for them.

[@JamesBond77]

star trek power generation cannot even compete with star wars. "Star Trek Federation power generation technology is extremely limited. None of their battlestations are mobile, their starship power generation systems are extremely inefficient, and even the most optimistic quantifications of their power generation systems indicate that their power output is less than 1% of a Star Destroyer's power output. Even a heavily-armed space station like DS9 is limited to terawatt-range power generation, based on deuterium fusion. Starships are limited to mere gigawatt-range power output! They have been unable to produce planetary shields or move planets as we have, and their crew members appear to have very poor scientific knowledge (based on their repeated mistakes)."

[@MadnessIncTV]

The federation would whip the Empires ass. the Empire was defeated by teddy bears and a big foot,a criminal the colt 45 guy blew up the Death Star,along with one good Jedi and the Empires number 2 killed their number 1 …the Empire was a complete shambles when the rebels fought back with inferior weapons,sticks and stones and they utterly defeated them..proving the Dark force loses power against a unified adversary

[@JamesBond77]

***** Good point. Add to the fact that star trek ships can be defeated with cheese (go watch voyager learning curve because im not joking).

[@MadnessIncTV]

***** The Empire is good …great at one thing BEING DEFEATED..they always lose …Star Trek always wins,so I see no validity what so ever in what your talking about,Two Super weapons destroyed by tiny ships both times ,the Death Star has become the symbol of inadequacy …and one Q would take out the whole Empire let alone the siths

[@MadnessIncTV]

Thierry Saint-Jour With your cheese comments,you have proven to be a PATHOLOGICAL MORON

[@JamesBond77]

***** Here Watch that review : sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/v816.php You will notice how star trek engineers cannot make functional doors too. What a bunch of morons really.

[@VidHawke]

Wow.. someone SEVERELY misunderstands the difference in the power levels of Star Trek and Star Wars tech. The Imperials wouldn't stand a snowball's chance against the Borg. The Borg would simply carve them up with the grav beam they love so much, and the Empire's laser-based weaponry wouldn't even TOUCH the Borg vessels.

[@eq1373]

But then again, the term "laser" might not mean the same thing

[@DarthExecutor]

i know this is old but based on official power ratings the energy output of star wars weapons (which aren't actually lasers) far surpass star trek ones. Empire would cut through borg like butter.

[@3haljordan]

If Vader figured out how to adjust those Borg nanoprobes, they could repair his injuries and regrow his limbs, and he would have his body back and be even deadlier.

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

Star Wars doesn't even modulate shield frequency! How easy would it be to have millions of nanoprobes get loose aboard an imperial vessel? Nanoprobe discharge weapons were already suggested and used effectively externally against 8472 bio-ships, and on board when Seven modified one of the phaser rifles. Technically, although injection is the most effective method to introduce nanoprobes into a potential drone, there's no reason to assume one can't be slowly infected by them in a nanoprobe-infested area. Queen: Species 5618, human. [...] Our previous attempts to assimilate them were all direct assaults. They failed. So we've created a more surreptitious strategy. Seven: You intend to detonate a biogenic charge in Earth's atmosphere. Queen: It would infect all life forms with nanoprobe viruses. Assimilation would be gradual. By the time they realized what was happening, half their population would be drones. So between direct assault and gradual assimilation, there's a HUGE gray area with many very effective strategies. Ship against ship is one thing, but the Borg's unyielding ability to learn defenses and adapt, as well as assimilate and integrate technology would mean that even if they start with cubes being defeated, they'd be acquiring unprecedented amounts of tactical information with each loss, which they'd implement into later conflicts.

[@nicholasanthony9005]

Thank you so much! I could not have explained it better myself

[@1978Prime]

Check out the re-edited version of this video and tell me what you think. I deleted a few necessary scenes and rearranged a few others so that the video makes more sense, instead of having disjointed scenes all over the place. A year after making this video, I start seeing mistakes and how it could have been edited better and so I decided to re-edit it and see how it goes. Star Wars vs Startrek; Borg Attack Death the Star { Re-edited version }

[@Admiral8Q]

Great re-edit!

[@ronki23]

why were Luke and the Millenium Falcoln there? Lol

[@1978Prime]

ronki23 Its difficult and very time consuming and sometimes not possible to edit everything out and finding the perfect often isn't possible. Also the editor I used Isn't meant for doing this sort of thing and so it has its limitations.

[@sibbywoo]

1978Prime i agree with you. the scenes you did of adding stuff to other scenes was amazing. It would take way way too long to remove all unneccesary footage from scenes and add in footage into those scenes.

[@sibbywoo]

Very good job!

[@4SHO421]

ronki23 They stopped for lunch.

[@JediWitness]

Pretty cool, took a lot of time I know to put all that together and I'm glad that Star Wars did in fact win as I would have suspected too. The fight with Vader taking out the borg was very cool and Palpatine killing the borg queen. I also liked the end showing the Borg graveyard after the Death Star and other ships got done with them.. nice.

[@ricotorrez7385]

hi

[@looneyburgmusic]

The Problem is, the Borg Queen can not be killed. Her "body" is no more important than any Borg Drone. If we just go with the canon of Star Trek and Star Wars, The Borg would have assimilated half the Death Star before the Empire even realized what was going on...

[@scottgrohs5940]

See I don’t think Emperor Palpatine would kill the Borg Queen straightaway. He may even allow himself to get transported to the Queen’s chamber, where he’d offer her unimaginable power. Then when they foolishly assimilated him, he’d use his powers to take over the Queen’s mind. The Borg would find themselves ruled by Emperor Sidious of Borg!

[@scottgrohs5940]

After all, why command a power hungry and possibly mutinous army of individuals when you could command a near-limitless post-scarcity hive of billions of drones whose loyalty would never be questioned? A little unpleasant surgery would be worth all that to a Sith Lord.

[@tinfoilhatnews7489]

Honestly the Borg may not stand a chance against beings that are able to destroy things will there mind. And I am a huge star trek fan. The Q even feared the Borg

[@tinfoilhatnews7489]

***** Yes in some sense, however they would have eventually made the universe a boring place. The Q are all about Balance between Chaos and Order. And as anyone knows the borg represent the complete idea of conformity versus the free will of others kind of like Rome and many other civilizations pushing their Ideals on others. It can be argued that some Q really differed from this kind of Ideal and found the borg to be an evolving threat if they kept pushing at some point the Borg would have pushed to control the Q.

[@davidrobertson3930]

In my opinion this has been done incredibly good, I could have watched for an hour. Thanks

[@Legendary_Detective-Wobbuffet]

Imagine their shock when the death star's second shot does nothing.

[@DefendYourView]

The borg can adapt to energy weapons due to a form of energy resiliency. Similar to a void shield in Warhammer 40K, you just need to overwhelm it. Normal ships can shift their power levels to overwhelm or change what the ship is capable of absorbing. A borg ship does not have the capacity to enhance it's reactor or output the 1000+X it would take to absorb a laser of that strength.

[@SpartasEdge]

I personally think the Borg would have won, and this is why i think why and how i think it would go down. I don't see the Star Destroyer lasers doing much damage to the Borg Cubes, they are more made to defend against fighters and corvette or Frigate sized ships, not large ships, and the Borh Ships can regenerate/self repair. The Imperial fighters would do no damage at all to the cubes, making them an insignificant factor. The Death Stars main gun would take out a a few cubes but i imagine the Borg would adapt to it, the same as they do any laser, and the queen would keep her ship at the back of the fleet as she directs her collective. In what would become a war of attrition, the Borg cubes would eventually wear down the Star Destroyers Shields while the Bog, who had by then adapted to the turbo laser fire or took little damage from them, were taking little to no further damage, then they would either destroy the Star Destroyers ship to ship or Board them and assimilate the crews once their shields had gone down. The Stormtroopers would have some Borg kills after The Borg boarding, but the Borg would have soon adapted to that and with no prior knowledge how to take on the Borg, would soon easily be beaten, as the Borg would have adapted to Blaster Rifle Fire, and where the video got it wrong i felt, is that the Empire would have neither figured out in time or were able to change frequencies on their their blaster rifles, much less to modulating frequencies, they just don't seem that versatile or complex as weapons, leading to the assimilation or death of the Start Destroyers and their crews. The Cubes would then turn their attention to the Death Star, and by now adapted to their main weapon and turbo lasers, would just sit there and rain phaser and torpedo fire onto the death Star Until its shields dropped, just like the Star destroyers,(though i'm sure that would take a while as i'm sure they are well powered on the Death Star, but Time is on the Borgs side and can take as long as it needs, a war of attrition as i say). Once the Death Stars shields were inevitably down, the cubes will then flood the Death Star with Bork using their teleporters to wherever they wanted and would quickly adapt to Blaster Rifle fire(if they hadn't already from boarding Star Destroyers), assimilating the crew as they went completely unchallenged by the Stormtroopers and their blaster Rifles. They would adapt to Darth Vaders lightsabre after a few lost drones, which is again basically a laser, effectively turning it into a blunt weapon, and with it being made out of light, would have no weight mass at that, so it wouldn't even have heavy impact damage as a blunt weapon on the Borg. Vader and the Emperor would resort to Force Lightning and telekinesis of objects as projectiles, which again would take a few out, but they would both ultimately tire, as it has been seen that such activity can't be sustained for very long, its draining, and would be overrun by the sheer numbers of Borg and their newly assimilated allies from the Star Destroyers and Death Star Crew, the end. This is my theory anyway.

[@skbartistry2473]

Spartas Edge agreed, although they would probably only assimilate a single Star Destroyer of each class and then destroy the remaining ships after assimilating their crew.

[@SpartasEdge]

JoraniusMinecraft Yes, that or assimilating their crews to add to their Borg army would both be viable options for the Borg.

[@corbin_4738]

Spartas Edge Just wanted to point out, Borg ships don't adapt to weaponry. Drones do, not ships. Unless this happened in Voyager, in which case I openly confess to having not watched much of it. Otherwise, I agree with you.

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

Remember Seven of Nine's nanoprobes accidentally got materialized in the EMH's portable emitter... Imagine, if with determining that Star Wars doesn't even modulate shield frequency, how easy it would be to have millions of nanoprobes get loose aboard an imperial vessel. Nanoprobe discharge weapons were already suggested and used effectively externally against 8472 bioships, and onboard when Seven modified one of the phaser rifles. Technically, although injection is the most effective method to introduce nanoprobes into a potential drone, there's no reason to assume one can't be slowly infected by them in a nanoprobe-infested area. Queen: Species 5618, human. [...] Our previous attempts to assimilate them were all direct assaults. They failed. So we've created a more surreptitious strategy. Seven: You intend to detonate a biogenic charge in Earth's atmosphere. Queen: It would infect all life forms with nanoprobe viruses. Assimilation would be gradual. By the time they realised what was happening, half their population would be drones. So between direct assault and gradual assimilation, there's a HUGE gray area with many very effective strategies. Ship against ship is one thing, but the Borg's unyielding ability to learn defenses and adapt, as well as assimilate and integrate technology would mean that even if they start with cubes being defeated, they'd be acquiring unprecedented amounts of tactical information with each loss, which they'd implement into later conflicts.

[@JamesBond77]

''This myth is clearly refuted by the canon films and episodes. In STFC, we see that although a Borg cube can become seemingly impervious to the weapons of a single Federation starship, it cannot withstand the massed attack of dozens of Federation starships. This demonstrates that Borg "adapted shield" lower limits are somewhere above the firepower of a GCS and below the massed firepower of a fleet containing dozens of Federation starships. We can also see Borg cubes being blasted into fragments by Species 8472 bio-ships and destroyed by simple planetary debris in "Scorpion". And of course, we all know that Borg drones are helpless against any sort of physical attack, whether it's the claws of Species 8472, the bullets of Picard's tommy-gun in STFC, a well-thrown elbow, or one of Worf's various artfully sculpted slicin' and dicin' toys.'' Star wars ships can be fitted with mass drivers and the Borg would not be able to adapt to these weapons since they are not energy weapons. Bye bye borg.

[@starleighpersonal]

borg cant adpat to physical impact? what do you think photon torpedos are. the borg got mowed down in the holodeck cause the bullets were holograms instead of lead and the borg were destroyed by planetary debris because the borg only put on shields that would block antiprotons for effiency

[@clipmixhd4937]

The Borg wouldn't loose against the Death Star.

[@RedneckRapture]

The Borg wouldn't even consider the Death Star worth assimilating. They'd cut it to bits for the raw resources used to make it.

[@clipmixhd4937]

I know, but it would be a perfect space ship for their queen!

[@Snowwie88]

The Borg can regenerate much faster than the (crew of) the Death Star. Although the Death Star is huge compared to a Borg Sphere (100km vs 3km) it's technology is far inferior. It's primary weapon can only fire in one direction at once. The Death Star doesn't have shields so the Borg can beam into the ship everywhere and assimilate it's crew, or just beam in an explosive device to blow it up.

[@RedneckRapture]

In addition to the fact that ALL Star Trek phasers/disruptors, including Borg energy weapons, operate by converting matter into energy. That is something Star Wars does not have any defense against being that all their weapons are pretty much plasma based (thermal damage).

[@chrisheyburn1546]

The Death Star has a shield and blisters aren't plasma weapons but particle weapons

[@NeroPiroman]

epic empire was wictorius

[@1978Prime]

A question for the Trekie fans. Does Janeway say something along the lines of " what do you want" in a serious tone. I'm working on a Voyager vs Star wars video.

[@sibbywoo]

1978Prime Yes, in one of the episodes. I forget which one though.

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

+Trumpet-01 Rocket yeah good point. Janeway would be untouchable against Star Wars. Voyager can run circles around a destroyer, and Star Wars ships can't even catch a Trek shuttle at impulse. LOL

[@hank1972]

+1978Prime During a Q Episode she does... IIRC

[@ericjustasinner5695]

I think so but I am more of a ds9 fan

[@erikmouse1257]

Are you referring to a badass armored Voyager vs imperial star destroyers?

[@washereisgone2936]

It took a whole fleet of Federation ships to destroy a Cube, just a Cube, then there is still the Sphere. Star Wars wouldn't stand a chance.

[@musicandvids6236]

+Washere Isgone My thoughts exactly!

[@MrROFLReaper]

+Washere Isgone starwars technology is beyond all the species in star trek, look up the power produced in starwars lasers vs star trek phasers/lasers.

[@washereisgone2936]

Hai Josh Nice one.......... LOL! In your wildest dreams!

[@Jashtvorak]

+Hai Josh As Star Wars blaster makes only hole in the body, Star Trek phaser can evaporate whole person. Can't even imagine that laser blast separated from the source of energy can be more powerful, then laser beam produced from a energy source. But there is a different problem and it is the Borg adaptability and asimilation. I don't see how anybody from Star Wars could fight that.

[@rager5865]

+Washere Isgone No, Star Wars tech is much more powerful, and The laser would blow them all up.

[@vonzigle]

Nicely done; keep em coming!

[@JamesBond77]

The enterprise cannot even blast planets like the Death Star can. ''Planetary destruction: Death Star blast (roughly 20 billion trillion megatons, ie- the number "two" followed by 22 zeroes). Planet blown apart at 5% of the speed of light. Even if we assume the shot was time-lapse photography (not that there's any reason to), the absolute lower limit is roughly 50 quadrillion megatons. Note that even if you scale this monster down by a factor of 10 million (to the volume of a Star Destroyer), you'd still have 5 billion megatons. More than a match for poor Enterprise."

[@Xtravia9]

think of the ventilation such a weapon would need....

[@MadnessIncTV]

Xtravia9 EXACTLY …and the death star didn't have any ventilation just the small exhaust port that led to its destruction

[@LordMxr]

And with reference to the energy output of their weapons, it will take centuries for the borg to merely overwhelm the shield, with the fact that a snubfighter can destroy a federation starship single-handedly, --good luck to the borg

[@MadnessIncTV]

I find it some what hilarious when Star Wars people write mini book technical analysis of federation using convoluted logic..mean while the Death Stars super laser can not be explained logically …how those little lasers meet up and change direction in mid air(or space as it may be) to form the super laser ..the magnetic focusing lens has been debunked by your own people who can't explain how it works …it would need a solid focusing lens in front of the little lasers to focus them into 1 beam and a magnetic pulse wouldn't change the directions

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

it could be done but they don't have the means. They don't have the skills. They don't have what it takes to be the best.

[@MadnessIncTV]

Gramps Ford the death star would have to wear a monocle….like kernel klink. of.hogans heroes …that would focus those little beams

[@john345ish]

oh i dont know - they have control over gravity so the focusing mechanism could be a gravitational lens - death star more than big enough to be carrying some serious gravity well generators

[@MadnessIncTV]

John Pattullo Gravitational fields that bend light would have to be extremely massive for instance the gravitational pull of entire solar system barley bends light at all ,light bends around the planets at the edge of its circumference,thats why i say you would need a solid lens to focus those beams

[@rorystockley5969]

The main problem with your argument is that it's obviously not a laser. It doesn't travel at the speed of light, so it can't be.

[@curtiskemmerle8870]

Very entertaining, Thanks for putting this together.

[@FedoReds88]

"I'm all the Sith!" "I am the beginning, the end, the one who is many. I am the Borg"

[@PanteraPolnocy]

Stormtroopers hitting anything successfully? Impossible.

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

Federation transport protocols require the operator to acquire a transporter lock, but in the 'Emanations' episode of Voyager, "Seska performed a blind beam-out when a subspace vacuole on an asteroid prevented her from getting a transporter lock on an away team" Seska is former Maquis, which weren't required to use starfleet 'transporter protocols'. Desperate times calls for desperate measures.

[@Anton_the_Vampire]

This was awesomely done, and gave me good reason to route for the Emperor, for a change. hehe

[@Awestefeld6612]

I still routed for Borg

[@4lifegamer32]

My money is on the BORG. ALWAYS!!!

[@SamuelJamesNary]

The trouble with the Borg is that their entire ability to adapt is by assimilating members of their enemy INTO the collective and thus learn everything about that civilization. But against the Galactic Empire... if they immediately attack the Imperial military they face several problems... 1.) Without prior assimilation, the Empire is a complete unknown to them. As such, while they might be able to guess at how Imperial weapons work, without complete knowledge, they cannot fully adapt at all, and thus any of their countermeasures against Imperial weaponry would be only partial at best... and the lack of knowledge leads to the other problems or compounds them... 2.) In order to teleport onto the Death Star or any Star Destroyer, they would need the Death Star or the Star Destroyer to lower its shields first. Basic Star Trek knowledge knows you can't beam through shields, and since the Empire is portrayed as a militaristic and evil "conquering machine" it's doubtful that the Empire is going to try to "hail" the Borg repeatedly across multiple channels with friendly messages waiting for the Borg to beam in and kidnap Admiral Piett. They'd raise their shields and demand immediate surrender... and with their shields up, the Borg cannot beam aboard. 3.) Even if the Borg somehow DO manage to get aboard a Star Destroyer, Imperial Stormtroopers are nothing to be sneered at. Yes throughout most of the movies they fail to hit anything more than an Ewok, but outside of the Battle of Endor and the battle on the Tantive IV over Tatooine, the only targets they've had have been Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewie. You wouldn't have much of a movie if all your main characters are shot dead in the first five or ten minutes. And based off of Obi Wan's line, "and these blast points, too accurate for Sand People, only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise..." I would tend to think that the bulk of the Imperial Army is at least a smidgen better then the guys sent after the Rebel's main heroes... And even if the Borg somehow correctly guess and adapt to their blaster rifles' bolts, Stormtroopers are equipped with thermal detonators (and other grenades) that can add explosive, concussive, and fragmentation damage that they can't adapt to in the Star Trek universe (unless all the Borg on the ship destroyed after Picard was freed somehow survived and are walking around in space). 4) Again, without prior knowledge, they know nothing of the Jedi, the Sith, or the Force. As such, they would have no countermeasures for Force Lightning, Lightsabers, or simply being crushed or thrown about through telekinesis or being crushed by objects hurled through telekinesis. I'd also think they'd be somewhat perplexed by Vader who by the original trilogy is already a cyborg, himself. In order to beat the Empire, they would need to go into an area that knows the Empire and assimilate it first... perhaps make some sort of contact with the Rebellion, as while they may respond with force to a Borg attack and do have the Jedi on their side... their soldiers are unarmored and their Jedi are fewer in number and are either aging (or dead for most of the movies for Obi Wan) or barely trained. They might be able to capture and assimilate at least one Rebel soldier and would thus learn everything they need to know... the other option would be to go to a "peaceful" planet and assimilate the locals and at least gain some basic understanding of the technology and what the Empire has put out in propaganda... not taking on the Empire head on.

[@Melchizarius]

Old primitive technology from the Empire against the Borg who at that point have been around for eons and have assimilated all sorts? I put my money on the Borg too.

[@KhanGarth]

Thomas Wildrabbit that is the only thing the Empire has that the Borg doesnt stand a chance against.

[@SamuelJamesNary]

Garth Palmer Not if the Borg don't know EXACTLY how Imperial weapons work... it's why they assimilate beings into their collective. It's how they learn, but just attacking the Empire isn't going to work that way... Remember teleporters CAN'T beam through shields. And unlike the United Federation of Planets which apparently has its starships running with their shields DOWN most of the time, the Galactic Empire will likely have its shields running all the time to give their weapons protection. When the Rebels attacked Endor, the Empire didn't raise its shields when the Rebels came out of hyperspace, the shield was up and running before they even arrived. So, how are the Borg going to do what can't be done... ie beam through shields? Because without the ability to gain surprise or catch an unarmored Imperial soldier to be assimilated, they will have no clue how Imperial weapons work and won't be able to adapt... and thus get slaughtered. See what happened to the Borg when they tried to attack "Species 2847..." the species was naturally immune to Borg implants and couldn't be assimilated. The Borg that made the attack were duly slaughtered because they knew little to nothing about the group they attacked.

[@4lifegamer32]

Sam Nary The Borg didn't know how Federation shields work when they first encounter the Enterprise. They just attack them until they were down then beam aboard. The Borg would just attack Imperial ship with their weapons until the shields fall. As for species 8472 the reason the Borg couldn't penitrait them was because if you remember their ships were biological in nature. Something the Borg never encountered before. Imperial ship are NOT biological in nature. So to compere that to species 8472 is not valid. As Imperial ship are metal, composite materials plus energy shield and energy weapons which the Borg have assimilated many different types and most likely would be able to adapt to such a similar design. All of the darks side power could never compare to will of the Borg queen and her collective power of the Borg. So in the words of Spock. 'You logic is flawed"

[@JackofAllTrades799]

I like how the stormtroopers can actually hit the borg.

[@billaccord717]

Wow !!! Great work and a lot of patience to mix the two worlds into one mini film. Be proud of your work because it's fantastic. Cant' wait for more. Please! Thank you.

[@JamesBond77]

Frequency myth 1: Phasers The first use of the Trekkie frequency myth is the common claim that the frequency and phase coherent of phasers makes them superior to lasers. Let's ignore for the moment that this is an inherently stupid claim since lasers are also phase and frequency coherent, so that we can examine the underlying question: does frequency and phase coherence make a weapon more dangerous? The answer is: absolutely not. Consider the chart at right. The yellow line depicts the intensity of a phase and frequency coherent energy beam as a funtion of time, and the green line depicts the intensity of an incoherent beam as a function of time. The average value of the two curves is identical, which should come as no surprise. Is a 1 megawatt laser more powerful than a 1 megawatt plasma torch? Is a ton of bricks any heavier than a ton of feathers? The destructive power of lasers comes from their great focus, not the fact that they are frequency and phase coherent. The frequency and phase coherence of lasers is an important characteristic for applications such as making holograms or reading compact discs, but not when they are used as weapons. Similarly, the fact that phasers are supposedly phase-coherent is irrelevant when discussing their destructive power.

[@murphycat5089]

To long, didnt read

[@JamesBond77]

If star trek ship have speed advantage why they dont use it vs sitting duck borg cubes ? None pf you points make sense Forxd as always.

[@ThatZommy]

Borg Cubes can travel via subspace. Your logic is flawed.

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

Lets settle a few things for those who lack understanding in physics. Star Wars weapons/shields do have frequency. ALL energy has frequency, and Kinetic energy (matter) has base elements - particles of electrons and protons, which on the quantum level, ALSO have frequency. Star Trek mastered quantum matter and energy manipulation: replicators, transports, shields, laser/phaser/plasma weapons, comm signals, sensors - you name it, it all has phase/frequency - it's basic quantum physics. As for SW weapons, plasma and particle-beam types are explained well enough HERE: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blaster "coherent energy bolt of light and plasma" and "super hot laser-light and a compressed bolt of intense energy particles" respectively. It ALL has base particle elements which have a quantum frequency. Plasma - It's still energy. Hense the term 'plasma energy'.It's base elements are charged particles. The 'charge' is the energy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics) "mass drivers" Are just a fancy term for a projectile weapon. You still need to be capable of hitting a moving target and Impulse engines can do realtivistic speed. Good luck tracking it with a turret, much less, timing the projectile to intersect with the target. 'Sith nor Jedi can use/call upon (respectively) the Force indefinitely." Good point. Imagine trying to sustain a force storm and use it effectively. No, and just like a gravity well projector, it isn't full intensity on/off like a light switch. "Sun Crusher" Omg. No chance of outrunning the shockwave, right? And I guess one should fear them targeting some random star to use it on since they'd have no intel on where any strategic target is, which I guess is even more significant when they have no hyper nav data to get there either. "don't understand "changing frequency"" Then one probably shouldn't be speculating. ST shields are fundamentally the same as SW. They are NOT basically made of light waves. They're made of charged particles. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_field Everything breaks down to particle/waves at the quantum level, and it's at this scale that physics introduces the 'particle-wave duality' which proposes that all matter exhibits properties of not only particles which have mass, but also waves, which transfer energy. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle-wave_duality Those waves occur at either coherent, or non-coherent frequency. This is not at all significant to Star Wars plots, but Trek loves their quantem frequency technobabble plots, and their quantum level technology is absolutely necessary to explain things like replicators, transporters, and holodecks. And it just so happens - 'frequency' is EVERYwhere, and applies to everything. Just because SW doesn't mention it does not mean their universe uses some magic physics for energy.

[@JamesBond77]

star wars use mainly hypermatter not fusion which is superior to antimatter btw. "As demonstrated by the hypermatter reactor of DS2 (seen at right), Imperial power systems are far more advanced than Federation power systems. The original Death Star's hyper matter reactor was roughly 16km in diameter as seen in the detailed cutaway details in Star Wars Cross Sections, yet it produced 3 million times more power than the Federation homeworld's sun, as described in the Imperial beam weapon analysis."

[@liululu8214]

You said something about a magic wand?

[@starleighpersonal]

the feduration began using stabalized omega particles gained from iconian tech in the 2410s and i guarentee you a stabalized cluster of omega holds more power then a hypermatter reactor that is actually 3 million times the size of sol since the needed amount of particles to self stabalize could destroy all subspace in a quarter of a galaxy

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

"Navigational Deflector: - used to deflect space debris, asteroids, microscopic particles and other objects that might have collided with the ship. At warp speed the deflector was virtually indispensable as even the most minute particle could cause serious damage to a ship when it was traveling at superluminal velocities. The deflector commonly took the form of a dish-shaped force beam generator..." In other words, its projected forward to deflect objects in their path.

[@JamesBond77]

star wars lasers are not real life lasers making star trek fanboys point invalid. star trek fangirls like Carlee know nothing about science I'm afraid. "Obviously, turbolasers cannot possibly be lasers. They exhibit none of the characteristics of lasers. They travel much slower than the speed of light, they interact with one another (as demonstrated by the combining Death Star beam), and they are visible in vacuum. To put a twist on an old saying, if something doesn't walk like a duck, doesn't look like a duck, and doesn't quack like a duck, it probably ain't a duck."

[@Unit-3475]

Star wars "lasers" - not a "lasers" at all , its plasma weapon .

[@coachturner2]

emperor and Darth Vader would tear through the Borg. but the Borg ships would have no trouble obliterating the empire.

[@aznsbd]

+Elliott Turner II I suspect the biggest danger to the Borg would be ion weapons since they are a race of cyborgs dependent on technology.

[@Theomite]

If it were EU, then the Yuuzhan Vong might be able to beat them given the trouble the Borg have with organic tech.

[@aznsbd]

Theomite The Yuuzhan Vong give everyone trouble including Jedi.

[@catmani2]

I wonder about that. Could the Borg actually adapt to the weapons of Star Wars since they are completely different from Star Trek? Phasers from what I have read act completely differently from blasters.

[@RanmaKei]

The borg adapt by analyzing or assimilating their enemy. They will lose the initial fight, but once the borg assimilate people with technical knowledge like an engineer in the empire they will become aware of their technology and then integrate that tech into their own or adapt their tech to defend against the empires weapons..

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

"Mosquitoes by far outrank the number 2 most dangerous animals in number of deaths, causing over 2 million deaths every year!" Brilliant analogy!

[@kingleonidas6134]

Just imagine what the sith from the old republic could do to the borg. They could literally rip apart the resistance. :D

[@HolyknightVader999]

Yep. Or the Gauntlet can kill them while in warp. Or the Gauntlet would wipe out their fleets. Or the Emperor sends their fleets plummeting into the sun.

[@mattwalker1182]

doesn't matter about "tech" borg would win because stormtroopers can't hit shit..

[@KaosNova2]

Matt Walker when they were boarding Leia's ship in New Hope, they were just about flawless.

[@mlpfanboy1701]

Matt Walker thats a complete myth. For those saying “why couldnt they hit jedi?” ITS BECAUSE THERE JEDI! Also all those times they missed luke han and leya, THEY WERE UNDER ORDERS TO LET THEM LIVE SO THEY COULD FIND THE BASE WITH A TRACKER!

[@Blackjack1321]

One, lightsabers are useless against Borg because Borg are protected by sub space energy fields and light sabers are blocked by energy barriers. Two Imperial shields would be drain by borg weapons as easily as any other type of shield. The Borg would transport aboard the Imperial ships and assimilate them. The the emperor and Barf Vader would be beam off the death star with their atoms scattered into space with the metaclorians whining all the way. The Death Star Borg would become a really big Borg Tactical Sphere.

[@HolyknightVader999]

"After Star Wars was released, it became apparent that my story-however many films it took to tell-was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were not stories I was destined to tell. Instead they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga." -GL

[@HolyknightVader999]

The Borg can't even make a Superweapon that can pierce the SW shields. Trek shields that fail at 400 GW of particle energy. Blasters in SW: Particle Energy. The average SW star fighter can pump out 11K-64K gigawatts of particle energy. Ergo, the SW fighters can carve through both the Borg and their enemies' capital ships.

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

"SW fighters" bla bla bla Star Wars weapons power could have an advantage if it came down to fighting ship to ship like you keep insisting must be the way a scenario should play out, which isn't necessarily so. Obviously if ships are outmatched, you change strategy, and Im sorry to say, the ONLY strategy SW can rely on is the same garbage ass incompetent tactics they demonstrate in movies.

[@HolyknightVader999]

And the only strategy Trek ships have is move slowly in real space or stand still and get blasted. Seriously, compared to Trek ship captains, your average storm trooper is Napoleon.

[@HolyknightVader999]

And you won't be able to try any warp combat or top impulse bullshit, anyways. Tractor beams and gravity wells will immobilize Trek ships. Then again, in both FTL and sunlight travel, SW has the advantage. Their FTL can traverse the galaxy in minutes. Their sunlight can traverse star systems in minutes. And besides? What strategies do Trek captains have that will protect them from ships that are smaller, faster, and stronger than they are? NONE. Their strategies boil down to "move slowly in real space." "Stand still and get shot," or "rely on technobabble." None of which will save them from the likes of SW ships, since their power levels are lower than even Jango's PATROL CRAFT.

[@kingleonidas6134]

Gramps Ford That's because they only film the big battles, like naboo, or courasant, or Endor. And one more thing: I'D like to see anyone try to beat Admiral Ackbar in a space battle. He could give orders via holo.

[@HolyknightVader999]

+King Leonidas Ackbar is a beast. He'd whip the Federation starfleet's ass in no time.

[@ramsackdude]

i find that out come unlikely but fun to watch. unlikely because the empire and its weapons are not like species 8472 but are more like us earthlings, thus the tech used would not beguile them. At best they would prove as challenging as star trek ships did during wolf 359 or q who episode assuming this is first contact the borg have made with the empire.

[@StacieMMeier]

Star Wars used a particle weapons system (Plasma/Advanced Lasers), Plasma was something beyond Star Trek at the time of the first series, though the Next Generation probably had a working theory on it. In the Borgs case, Plasma weapons technology is hard to adopt. it is highly likely even with shielding the Borg take damage. Particle weapons could also (In theory) short-out computer systems. "A particle-beam weapon uses a high-energy beam of atomic or subatomic particles to damage the target by disrupting its atomic and/or molecular structure. A particle-beam weapon is a type of directed-energy weapon, which directs energy in a particular and focused direction using particles with negligible mass." Thus a shield on the Enterprise would not want to face this either. Note a laser is a minor Particle weapon. The Ion cannons are majour particle weapons and very much used in Star Wars. However, Star Wars also used technology like a LightSabre on the minor scale to a Plasma Cannon type on the larger, such weapons were unknown in the Star Trek Universe. Plasma would have caused all types of issues to the Borg. Plasma are unstoppable by nearly anything in our Universe, though in the Star Wars Universe they had ways to stop it. Since, Star Trek is closer to our Universe than Star Wars, The Borg are easily destroyed.

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

Stacie Meier The Metaphasic shields demonstrated in TNG pretty much says Trek is quite familiar with how to block plasma AND ionized particles, since a star's corona has an over-excessive abundance of both. You should probably re-think your perception of which galaxy is more advanced, especially when the quantum physics involved in holodecks, replicators, and transporters puts Trek so far ahead of Star Wars in technology it's hardly even an arguable topic. The Borg, especially - demonstrate the ability to transport through shields, and even adapt to walk right through them. Plasmas are the most common state of matter in the universe. The concept of plasma being harmful to shields is not a matter of plasma being too exotic or unfamiliar. It comes down to particle physics: Particle type, particle density, and particle charge. When Trek modulates shield frequency, it's actually a quantum level adjustment of the particle field energies that makes up the shields. (You can see the particles represented when they touch a force field and there's a cockpit scene that shows shuttle shields close up have that same visual effect.) The ability to repel, absorb or deflect energy, particles, weapons, etc is a matter of adjusting the shields to counter the particle type & density and/or charge. However, being excellent at repelling some energies doesn't necessarily mean it's good at deflecting them all. The Borg are the very best at adapting, but some things simply can't be adapted to. The hardest are ion canons, and intense plasma, which has ionic properties. That's because they both deal with opposite (positive & negative) particle charges, and if the charges are high enough, or the number of particles is dense enough, they can cause a power surge in the ships systems. In Star Wars' case, their ships are too slow to bring their weapons in range of any Trek ship that wants to keep its distance. If Borg can't adapt to being hit, they can just avoid being in range. Range is determined by the ability of the weapon to reliably hit a target, which would be VERY limited if the target is moving, especially at the speeds ST is capable of in normal space.

[@mmyatt9560]

+Stacie Meier romulans use plasma based weapons

[@StacieMMeier]

Matthew Myatt After looking, I discovered this Though by the time of Next Generation it were limited...Ty for your correction, nonetheless.

[@ramsackdude]

+Stacie Meier i just remembered the borg have time travel capabilities how does it factor i'm not sure as i don't think the star wars has it.

[@wesleypickles945]

The Borg would win. Star Wars tech is no match.

[@raxsavvage]

no bullshit if disney authorised a "none cannon battle" i'd go see that shit.

[@ArtemisandVenus]

Actually, I think the Borg would win...

[@samuelhendrickson2836]

Oh please...the borg would assimulate them all

[@JamesBond77]

star trek transporters would not in combat vs star wars ships for various reasons : '' Transporters present vulnerabilities of their own. We learned in "When the Bough Breaks" and "Realm of Fear" that they are better at insertion than extraction, hence the common practice of sending men from one ship's transporter pad to another ship's transporter pad, hence tying the two systems together. We learned in "Skin of Evil" and "Tin Man" that telekinetic forcefields can block transporters completely. We learned in "Symbiosis", "Suspicions", and "Quality of Life" that they are erratic, unreliable, and sometimes completely useless in the presence of ionizing electromagnetic radiation. We learned in "Royale" that an environmental containment forcefield can block transporters even when it permits communications to pass through. We learned in "Ensigns of Command" that transporters don't function in entire star clusters where "hyperonic radiation" is present (although no one knows what hyperonic radiation is) and that they can be rendered useless by the mere presence of certain unusual subatomic particles. We learned in "The Enemy" and "Power Play" that transporters don't work through naturally occurring atmospheric electrical storms. We learned in "The Hunted" that a sudden movement can disrupt a transporter beam. We learned in "The High Ground" that transporter locks are more difficult than simple visual acquisition, ie- it's possible for something to be visible to the naked eye but impossible to acquire with a transporter sensor system. We learned in "The Most Toys" that certain substances can't be transported at all. We learned in "Legacy" that the electromagnetic fields generated by an ordinary electrical transformer can prevent transport locks, and that they can't transport through 2 km of solid granite under any circumstances. We learned in "Second Chances" and "Final Mission" that the natural fields emanating from certain inhabitable planets or moons can prevent transporter use completely. We learned in "The Host" that transporters put stress on the transported subject, and that it may therefore be dangerous to transport wounded personnel. We learned in "Darmok" that an energetic ionosphere can block transporters. We learned in "Hero Worship" that they can't transport through "victurium alloy" bulkheads, thus leading to the obvious question of what other materials are opaque to transporters at that thickness. We learned in "Schisms" that transporters don't work in the presence of nucleonic radiation. We learned in "True Q" and "Lessons" that atmospheric ionization can prevent transporter use entirely. We learned in "Descent Part 2" that all of the transporters on the entire USS Enterprise can only transport people at an average rate of 1 person per second. We learned in "Pegasus" that there are dangers associated with transport through large amounts of solid matter. We learned in "The Chase" that tractor beams interfere with transporters, and worse yet, we learned in "Attached" that a cunning enemy can use tractor beams to redirect a transporter beam to an arbitrary spot of their choosing!''

[@MichaelClark-uw7ex]

And in The Wrath of Khan(Genesis cave) and DS9( Pah Wraith lair) we learned they can transport through miles of solid rock.

[@GriffinsGreatestFan]

i dont agree with the outcome, because at 9:58 its a star trek soundbite from worf that is used to give the stormtroopers the ability to modulate, so in my mind without the aid of star trek phaser modulation technology (star wars uses blasters not phasers), the death star would have begun to die at this point right here.

[@Neuralatrophy]

Nope, not even... This isn't a nerd rage either, just a little more realistic analysis of the match. Despite the destructive potential of the Deathstar's main weapon against an unprotected opponent, the Borgs shields, even Starfleets shields are capable dissipating laser energy in its entirety. 1 Borg ship would likely ruin an entire empire fleet without breaking a sweat by virtue of adaptation. They adapt very quickly to known technologies and would be relatively immune to their weapons, including the light saber, in minutes, if not seconds, and would have analysed their attack patterns and strategies not long after. The only thing after that is the connection to the force, it might be the only trump card the empire carries in an encounter like this but it would be overwhelmed by numbers as the entire Borg population is, by its very nature, homogenized into a single minded fighting force and the number of force users, both light and dark, is limited. The Borg didn't become a threat in Star Trek by being a pushover, they had encountered / conquered and assimilated the technologies of thousands of species (8471 total ? as species 8472 was their most recent, and only vexing encounter), each with their own technologies and advantages, the empire is not unique. Assuming, since we have merged the universes here, the Borg have encountered other species in the Star Wars continuum and have assimilated their technologies and information, they would have been at the very least prepared for what they were about to encounter. Don't get me wrong, I love both Star Wars and Star Trek but Star Trek, and the Borg by extension, clearly has an advantage in both offensive and defensive technologies and the Borg would tear them apart from the inside out with their tactical strategies, infiltrating and assimilating as they went.

[@forestjohnson7474]

Paul Gloor Strickly speaking if it were just the Borg then, I would say the force is too powerful " even one strong force sensitive creature " for the Borg, its all in how the force works if there is one left the force would assert itself and find a way to destroy the Borg in order to survive. Now with that said if Janeway got involved there is the potential for the Q to appear, and he would be able to deal with anything in the Star Wars Universe.

[@Neuralatrophy]

***** You're assuming the force is a sentient entity. It has no will to survive, its a layer of reality like the strong and weak force, gravity, electromagnetism and the higgs field. Its there and it takes special individuals to tap into it. Granted, they would be a trump card against the borg, but the borg have a knack for overwhelming assailants they perceive as a threat. After the first time, they would indeed label the jedi and sith as a threat as well as identify methods to detect them in advance, isolate and assimilate or eliminate. On the note of the Q, even they have a little respect/fear of them... Q has gone on record stating "Don't provoke the borg !" Its probably more in line with human vs large mound of fire ants, it would seem they prefer to steer clear of them, probably because they're no fun to play with. Even so, I wouldn't put it past the Q to be behind the confrontation happening in the first place as intergalactic travel is still beyond both star trek and star wars.

[@forestjohnson7474]

The force is sentient. When there there was only the dark side and Luke would not kill his father the force asserted itself and saved the only light side being there was Luke Skywalker by making Vader kill Sidous.

[@Neuralatrophy]

+forest johnson Fact or supposition ? I've seen that movie a few times and its more like he came to the realization that he had been lied to all along. Many sith apprentice's rise to slay their masters.

[@Neuralatrophy]

+forest johnson Fact or supposition ? I've seen that movie a few times and its more like he came to the realization that he had been lied to all along. Many sith apprentice's rise to slay their masters.

[@sevendaggerssix7298]

fanboy bong dream. Borg adaption, sheilds and we weapons would rip them a new one.

[@danieltusa1930]

the Borg would adapt to the light sabers as well as the deathstarr's weapons

[@looneyburgmusic]

They wouldn't have to adapt to a light saber - the Queen would have simply sent 10,000 drones to overwhelm Vader and assimilate him. With Vader's mechanical body, the job is already 3/4 done.

[@catmani2]

Borg can't adapt to lightsabers. And Vader would just rip thought the pathetic Borg without a second though. He has fought numerous Jedi at once. You thing some Borg moving at a snails pace and with the grace and flexibility of a mannequin would pose a threat whatsoever?

[@looneyburgmusic]

catmani2 "Some" Borg? How about 200,000 drones transporting all around him at the same time? Trek has already shown, several times, that the Borg Collective has no problem at all sacrificing endless numbers of drones if that is what is required. Not even a Sith could stand up to something like that....

[@catmani2]

looneyburgmusic Depends on the Sith.

[@looneyburgmusic]

catmani2 I doubt any Sith could handle a quarter of a million drones at once.

[@JamesBond77]

Mike Bush you are wrong the Federation is composed of a bunch of imbeciles that cannot see how easy it is to take out the Borg with kinetic weapons even after all these years fighting them : ''This myth is clearly refuted by the canon films and episodes. In STFC, we see that although a Borg cube can become seemingly impervious to the weapons of a single Federation starship, it cannot withstand the massed attack of dozens of Federation starships. This demonstrates that Borg "adapted shield" lower limits are somewhere above the firepower of a GCS and below the massed firepower of a fleet containing dozens of Federation starships. We can also see Borg cubes being blasted into fragments by Species 8472 bio-ships and destroyed by simple planetary debris in "Scorpion". And of course, we all know that Borg drones are helpless against any sort of physical attack, whether it's the claws of Species 8472, the bullets of Picard's tommy-gun in STFC, a well-thrown elbow, or one of Worf's various artfully sculpted slicin' and dicin' toys.''

[@jadoremcfly]

No match for the power of the dark side :)

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

Dark side is no match for a whole race of omnipotent beings in the Q Continuum.

[@jadoremcfly]

Here we go again... Since the enterprise managed to destroy them, the emperor shall apply the same strategy except with less effort and time or maybe none at all

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

Yasmine . The enterprise managed to destroy 'who'? The Q Continuum? lol what episode was that again?

[@jadoremcfly]

I thought they destroyed them by hacking into their common hive mind or Sth through captain picard -_-

[@jadoremcfly]

Well I meant the borgs!

[@EagleKai]

Star Trek phasers and Star Wars blasters use two totally different technologies. Phasers are akin to high-powered lasers, and as such have a frequency which can be modulated to adjust strength, bypass shields (if attuned properly), etc. Blasters, on the other hand, fire pellets of plasma contained in a magnetic sheath. Since these are two different technologies, the defensive shields for one will likely do nothing to protect against another.

[@KH4444444444N]

No. Stop talking about shit you know nothing about. Phasers are high energy collimated particle beams that vaporize targets using rapid-nadion effect.

[@PBandJTime]

This was very well put together. However, I find the outcome a little unrealistic. Well, suspending the fact that an encounter between these 2 are highly unlikely, because Star Wars takes place in a galaxy, far, far away, & the Borg are not intergalactic. But putting that aside, I think that the Borg would totally win. Their assault on the Borg might appear to be working, @ 1st. As a newly encountered species, The Borg would be unfamiliar to their weapons. But the main asset that The Borg have, is their ability to quickly adapt. Once that has happened, it would be all over, for The Death Star. Plus, once The Borg start transporting drones aboard their vessels... remember, The Borg have personal shielding, too.

[@Dragonashe]

um the Borg are intergalactic, Q brought the Enterprise into contact with them from far far away

[@trekkie2117]

Star trek is better.

[@LD-cj3ov]

Yes

[@ancientmesopotamian1699]

Trekkie 21 I like Star Wars better, more memorable and enjoyable.

[@chissstardestroyer]

Once the Borg master their technology's frequencies; the Imperial forces would be wise to *bolt*, to abandon their positions and run; as any who remain at their posts will either wind up dead, or worse: working for their enemies as additional Borg; at that moment: the Empire would have no chance at all of survival against those alien invaders of their state. Those that do not abandon their posts won't remain in existence, but will work for their enemies; those that do run will survive for a time; but once the Borg master their abilities: they're done; as once they've adapted to the new elements: they will completely overrun the Empire- and this'd be the Empire's doomed last stand.

[@WKYanks]

Do the SW nuts really think there tinkertoy empire could defeat the Borg? BUUUUWWWWWWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Resistance is futile!!

[@subsoiledcoin]

Dylan Bozarth The death star is designed to take on entire armadas of ships more powerful than borg cubes.

[@subsoiledcoin]

There are literally trillions in the republic and there were thousands of ships over coruscant.

[@subsoiledcoin]

where did you get that number for a parsec? It was never mentioned in the movie.

[@Beherit_Demon]

Subsoiledcoin google is your friend

[@subsoiledcoin]

Awair80 The only time it was mentioned in the movies is with the kessel run and han solo was obviously using it as a hustle tactic. Han solo wasn't about to measure shit except the money he was going to make off the charter. The courtship of princess leia is also not canon anymore so don't bother. When did they ever say star wars galaxy was a single parsec across? that would be silly.

[@CT-9994]

4:40 omg the trooper's movement 😂😂😂💀💀

[@CiroZockt]

I will try not to take any side, I am just pointing out facts: 1. While Star Wars Weapons are shooting some kind of plasma (you can see that - any kind of radiation would travel much faster), Star Trek Weapons are shooting Beams of e. g. Tetryon Radiation, Polaron radiation or for Phasers Nadion Radiation. It is ridicoulus to compare ST and SW. 2. Star Wars ships do not have "real" shields. As you can see in SW 3, The shield generator Anakin shot at was only for the Hangar. And the bigger destroyers are, even if they had (and they have) shield generators (obvious position above the bridge, two targets one hit), they cannot stop any weapon. You never see any kind of shield interfering, the shots go directly to the ships hull. Star Trek has shielding that can stop any kind of laser and most types of radiation. But it should be said that SW destroyer ships are massive as hell, What makes them a real match for a borg cube. But you see, SW ships need to send out fighters to protect their weak systems, like "shield" generator and weapons. ST got bitches for that. SW shuttles and fighters need a soecial device to go to light speed. ST shuttles got bitches for that. Also: Warp 9.97 is about a dozen times the speeed of light, what makes Another Point for Star Trek. 3. The Main weapon of the Death Star is huge, huger, hugest. Anyway it just produces an oversized Beam of light, shields with the same power input could easily block it. The Doomsday device or the Planet Killer of Species 8472 is not nearly as big and has a dozen times more firepower. I am sorry, Star Wars fans, but Star Trek is...you cant say better, thats a matter of opinion. But it is far more advanced and developed, and no matter how many Directors Cut editions George Lucas will bring out, Star Wars is just...old. It´s concept of technology was never thought to be logical, That of Star Trek is. Star wars is absoluetly amazing and ST can never match the emotions and the fun SW movies brought to me, but at the point of technology ST will always win. That is a fact, nothing to discuss about. Resistence is futile. May the force live long and Prosper.

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

"On your previous note though, there is no nanoprobe discharge weapon. The reason being is that the Borg are unable to build such a device, otherwise it would have been employed already." You could easily have done a search and figured out you're wrong before embarrassing yourself.

[@christopherbillups7562]

EPIC. This was in 2012. I wonder what it would look like with today's tech and footage.(2020)

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

"Since a ship traveling at impulse velocities is still traveling in the normal space-time continuum, concerns of time dilation apply, and it is written in the ST:TNG Technical Manual that high relativistic speeds are avoided unless absolutely necessary; impulse power is therefore customarily limited to a maximum of ¼ lightspeed." Canon dialog also confirms this ability. It's common knowledge that ST impulse engines can go relativistic. SW sublight speed is weak sauce compared to ST.

[@lexluthorrulerofaustrailia2882]

There arn't enough Borg drones... but that's okay; I like it! ;)

[@francoisbeland7188]

I would see an alliance between the mighty Smurfs, the Klingon empire and Muad' Dib with the Fremen, against the Borg. Of course, Paul Muad'Dib's mental powers would easily crush the borgs and their Queen; or, she would be left harmless after a singular combat with the Great Smurf. The Klingons would then destroy the Borg's cubes with the Galactic Empire' s death star.

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

"There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe-the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe."

[@keddievanhalen]

With a fleet like that, mass assimilation parties beaming over would be a win

[@VashtheStampede007]

Death star weapon might work at first but for only a few shots at most. Borg shields will adapt quickly and make it useless. Same goes for all other empire weapons, even light sabers. They will all become useless after limited success. Empire stands no chance against the collective.

[@axelvoza4656]

The montages are very funny cause of the lack of synchro, but the concept is outstanding. And finding a sequence with borg Queen suffering (from Force Lightining) was the best moment, lol. Long live the Empire, hahaha... 😁🤣😈

[@Otokichi786]

Borg Queen #15: "Mucous of Corusant, are you adapting well?" Mucous: "I feel the Hive in my mind. I feel inner peace, and await your command." BG #15: "Go to Corusant and tell your people of the Peace of the Collective." Mucous: "Yes, my queen, the people will be added to The Hive." BG #15: "After assimilation of Corusant, we will move to the Rim planets and add them as well." Resistance Is Futile!;)

[@stevenlester2606]

WELL DONE, MR. or MS. 1978Prime!!!

[@blastech4095]

I wasn't saying it could make up for a orders of magnitude disparity in power, just that the advantage in maneuverability is there

[@TomT-c9y]

15:42 By far the best part of this video! There were toooo many repeats! The very best cliffhanger! A fun video and good job overall!

[@subsoiledcoin]

comparing the 2 types of shielding is like comparing oil and water. What makes you think subspace sensors will work on hyperspace fields which work on completely different principals than subspace fields?

[@Webshooters1]

I think alot of people forget that if the Empire did win they would use the Borg technology to upgrade themselves and integrate it into their weaponry. Does everyone just think the Empire are just going to sit around and wait for them to come back? No, they're going to use it to subjugate systems and improve their firepower.

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

LMAO Star Wars best and brightest couldn't conceive of a place to begin learning what it would take to make use of such advanced technology. Either way, 'fire power' wouldn't need improvement... their ships being too slow is their main problem. In normal space, they're sitting ducks, barely capable of 1/10th of high impulse velocity. They'd just be stuck waiting on Borg to beam right through their shields, start infesting everything with nanoprobes, and prepping for assimilation. There's nothing can do about it - Star Wars hasn't even figured out modulating energy frequency! And if troops give too much resistance, they can be beamed away onto a cube, or out into space. And remember - the BIG boys may be able to resist for some time, but Borg don't have to start with the big ships. They can find plenty of ships and technology that aren't as threatening and go after the bosses later once thhey've acquired a full understanding of Star Wars defenses and weaknesses.

[@Webshooters1]

Gramps Ford But in the context of this video they have a Borg Queen in which they could study and learn her secrets. And if the Cybermen from Doctor Who can defeat The Borg the Empire can too.

[@goat48jimmiejohnson]

People rarely debate the 'opinion' of the author or the context of the video. The queen would likely not ever be there in person. It was actually pretty stupid that she was ever in First Contact rather than being way out in the Delta Quadrant, but I don't know that the actual nature of her role in the collective had been written, yet. Also.. this not being a Dr Who conversation, its somewhat frowned on to even mention it since not everyone familiar with SW & ST are also fans of Who.

[@Webshooters1]

Gramps Ford Frowned but no less relevant. I dislike the idea of the Borg Queen as well. Seems kinda superfluous where The Borg are concerned. One mind, one purpose and acting autonomously towards that purpose, they shouldn't need a queen to direct them. That's what makes me different, rather than retread the same ground I talk in the context of the scenario the video gives us which at the end shows the Borg Queen a prisoner of Palpatine and knowing how devious he is I could imagine he would try to infuse Borg technology with that of ether Imperial tech or the power of the dark side. It would take some time but if the queen was cut off from the collective they would have no idea where she was and thus like the message that took 2 centuries to reach it would maybe take anywhere from 10 - 100 years before The Borg found them again and they would be ready. A better match-up would be Borg vs Vong.

[@ericstaples7220]

Webshooters1 Isn't it far more likely that the Queen would assimilate the Emperor with nanites before he ever successfully interrogated her? He shouldn't even expect anything like a nanite infection.