StarCraft 2: EPIC SERIES - Who's the BEST Korean Zerg? (Dark vs Rogue)

Best-of-5 series of top level Korean StarCraft 2 between Dark and Rogue. These guys are both fantastic in the Zerg versus Zerg matchup, and in this video they face off against each other.
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[@srkiborca]

4:30 Lowko:Missclick by Rogue It was not a missclick, his goal was to kill his own hatchery so that creep would disappear in order for Dark's Spine Crawler to die and win the game!

[@-Melenik]

But he started spreading tumors after that.. he should have killed them before he fled

[@MsHojat]

@@-Melenik yeah the tumor was super strange. I don't know what his reasoning for that was. THAT might have been the true "misclick".

[@Wright1331]

@@MsHojat Yep yep, his only chance to win was to not make the tumor in the main, and then to have his hatch die

[@BaufenBeast]

@@MsHojat I think the tumors were so the queen could get out of the base.

[@Sir_Isaac_Newton_]

I think, and I'm not sure or anything, Rogue might've thought tumors counted as buildings, and since they are invisible they wouldn't be destroyed by Dark. Maybe.

[@michaellewis742]

We obviously want to see the players winning, but draws on the professional scene give some of the best viewing material I have ever seen.

[@hawkenparker1790]

Hands-down some of the best stuff i've ever are draws and the final win condition being met. Such a great sport!

[@alqatav8848]

Why tf is this the top comment for me ;w; ive been spoiled.

[@grenadas12]

@@hawkenparker1790 gfggggggg

[@DangerousGazes]

Rogue waited at the top for dark to find him and realise there was NO extractor. This should've triggered dark to destroy rogues base for the win. But rogue would then start an extractor and defend it until the spines bled out. That's why he sent the queen to his base at the end. To damage the spines faster. But dark was smart. He suspected rogue had 25 minerals saved and instead blocked off rogues main with the spines. After that he could've just waited for rogue to attack or call for a draw. These guys have definitively had this happen before against each other and none of them wanted to settle for a draw.

[@aliaytek3276]

It indeed had happened before, in a very identical fashion in GSL S2 of this 2021. I'm just gonna say this, these two are fricking nuts, unbelievable SC2 level

[@aaronfkckcjc6910]

sure, but there were tumours down and dark knew it...;

[@Legandos001]

Are there any more professional 2v2s coming up? Those were incredibly fun to watch

[@Blade-tj5rw]

Well there needs to be some professional 2v2s but they dont happen very often

[@ballboys607]

Sentry : puts down a force field Zerglings at 16:34 : That's pretty good, but check this out

[@cobble3231]

1:50 the spawning pool is actually placed OPTIMALLY against 12 pool drone pull: It doesn't allow the spine crawlers to get into their best position, and the game will be done long before the pool dies

[@jkkim6928]

Did you even see the game? That pool placement was god awful. It creates a space right above it with less surface area

[@cobble3231]

@@jkkim6928 words of lambo when he casted: the pool doesn't allow the spine crawlers to hit from the high ground

[@jkkim6928]

I know. He sometimes doesn’t know what he’s talking about. We all do

[@cobble3231]

@@jkkim6928 dude lmfao.... Who would be right a guy who's been pro for 5 years or a gold leaguer? Literally every zerg are doing this spawning pool placement, including rogue. Why would it be if not to counter drone pull? He wasn't like hesitant. He was full on "that's the optimal spawning pool placement, the one I do in my games" etc... You're trying to tell an electrician he's not pulling on the right wires ...

[@jkkim6928]

Fangirl trying to defend her idol like her life depends on it lmfao Kim jongun would approve of this much fanaticism

[@ShibalotonSeattle]

4:39 if Rogue kills his hatch it would get rid of the creep and then bleed out the spine crawlers. but then Rogue realises he has already put down a creep tumor near the spine crawler and there is no way he can kill that tumor.

[@kurosetsuna29]

Can you manually control the broodlings? If so he could of use them to kill the creep tumor.

[@d4slaimless]

@@kurosetsuna29 you can. It was a risk to kill his own hatch because he needed to build and defend extractor then. But there were still too many untis on the map. I think he didn't want to risk it.

[@LambNRice]

In the first game, you can see Rogue looking into the future and making sure he gets 25 minerals mined before abandons ship. Really smart for him to know he'll need it.

[@Ensatzuken]

At 32:43 yes, that's how you micro that situation. Lambo was casting this series and when that happened he explained that you want the front to rebuild the moment you start to lose a part of it (so you don't get surrounded) hence you do that full back and forward with the units. It's strange to watch but it's the correct action.

[@MLeoDaalder]

I was kinda hoping for a game number six in this best of five. :D

[@TubeTAG]

28 minutes in and the first score finally happens in ZvZ. This bodes swiftness for the rest of the series.

[@Draco-0787]

that is actually the first time that I've ever seen a pro game end in a draw so it was pretty surprising and cool!

[@pavel9652]

There is a game with Bly vs Lambo cast by Lowko that has an early draw after ling-bane battles, edit: found it ;) "StarCraft 2: EARLY GAME DRAW?! (Bly vs Lambo)"

[@Sheldorke]

Just in time for lunch. Cheers, Lowko!

[@mendosi]

11:47 Lowko:"I was just trying to think ... if I've seen a draw before in Zerg vs Zerg" GSL 2021 Season 2 Ro.8: Rogue vs Dark map 1 was also a draw. It's amazing, everyone should watch.

[@KKKuma]

I always love the Lowko cast and Hasterm. Always so entertaining and teaching a lots

[@shybard]

I understand that ZvT is more dynamic and has greater variety, which probably makes it better in a technical sense. But there's something so incredibly satisfying about watching two of the best Zerg players in the world go head-to-head in ZvZ.

[@mso2013]

I agree, seeing two players with the fastest faction is quite a show.

[@devantuthill]

DUDE THIS WAS A GOOD BATTLE

[@anmarhassan407]

I haven't played StarCraft in years but it's games like this that keep me interested

[@poetato7344]

22:35 good to see a new zerg flying unit

[@MrHeorhe]

I've seen a few draws, in early starcraft2. There was a z v t where the zerg player did a queen march and the terran player dropped their main army in the zerg base and they base traded. After a huge fight in the center as they tried to gain the upper hand and maybe salvage the remains of their bases, zerg was left with only queens to defend the scraps of their base, maybe an evo and a spawning pool. And terran only had medivacas and structures that could outrun the queens. They called the draw. I'm sure I'm misremembering some aspects as it was so long ago but that was also a great game that ended in a draw

[@kevinserrano490]

Aww man this was a badass series! I'm glad I didn't skip this one. I'm usually not a big fan of the mirror matchups. Oh I liked this one 👍

[@amaranth6400]

Series like this is why i love sc2

[@AlexanderCsorba]

A draw actually happened to me once, when all i had was a thor, a siege tank, and a barracks, while my opponent had 2 vikings, and a factory in the corner of the map (outisde of thor reach). None of us had any income, and it became a draw.

[@erinala4761]

Wow, that first match was insane! Also, I agree with the others here who would love to see more 2v2s!

[@mieubrisse]

Check out 45:35 - the banelings get a short speed boost immediately after finishing morphing. This would mean the best way to make banelings connect is finish morphing near an enemy.

[@EspacX]

lol@ that one raving lurker at 54:46

[@keithwallace5277]

I am wanting stream highlights so bad I need it, it's so fun I think making longer stream highlights videos might be appreciated

[@alfo149]

18:15 "It takes two Zerglings... (to kill a shot)" man, Zerglings are light weights!

[@foxman105]

Never I expected to cheer so much for one queen and one drone to get there in time.

[@deebirchmusic]

Thank you lowko

[@wtfill]

Rogue and Dark also had a draw about 2 month ago during 2021 GSL S2 Ro8 (first game)

[@CP4884]

beautiful click symmetry at 10:45

[@agreeable8255]

7:40 yes that "spine" will bleed out

[@chaook]

Okay that music slays. Somehow.

[@devantuthill]

GOT YOUR SELF AN NEW SUBSCRIBER

[@stevenjelinek5716]

Dude lowko definitely had his coffee right before this 😂

[@EARTH-rg7ec]

if instead of spreading creep in the first game rogue used his queen to kill the ONLY creep tumor close to the third base from low ground and left Dark kill the hatcherie he would have won There would have been no creep for Dark to put spines on and unborrowed they can't attack, but well it was a huge thrill to see that game

[@nilsgirard7324]

And at the end, if Dark would have poop creep from an overlord to Root his spines near the extractor, he could have won no?

[@EARTH-rg7ec]

@@nilsgirard7324 pooping creep requires lair (hatchery lvl 2) if i remember correctly

[@Y0G0FU]

that first game was everything i wanted from a Korean ZvZ! Peak entertainment with the best caster!

[@phill8028]

darm. as i see this video you just hit 500k. congrats.

[@spitfireslav8994]

10:59 loyal servant of her majesty 😂

[@TritonTv69420]

Bangers everyday

[@shileichang9562]

that DRAW attacks my JAW

[@maximusstrength157]

Game 1 was interesting. The spines were the main threat but cannot move on the map, and couldn't kill the hive without losing creep!

[@Vyhox2000]

2:47 "The Queen, just barely not thicc enough." The Queen needs a buff

[@johntrieseverything]

Omg that first game was so entertaining hahah

[@zigfreidbop]

Would love to keep seeing more Rogue and Dark. They're so scrappy!

[@AhmedBodhi]

Sick, my first or 2nd tie witnessed

[@deSolAxe]

I should re-evaluate my life choices... I had this playing in the background and when lowko said that Rogue is bottom left at 11:40 - I was stumped what does that have to do with anything... then I realized he meant starting position...

[@zaharigarkov9383]

You casted an early game draw ZvZ a few mounts ago.

[@florianvialou3870]

I put a thumbs up at game number "0" and then after watching game number 2 I wanted to put )another thumbs up yet I couldn't ! haha great games and commentary as always Lowko

[@tytusdezoo6371]

I don't understand why Dark in first match didn't just marched 2spine clawlers and kill with them extractor.

[@LowkoTV]

Spines can’t attack off creep, since there’s no creep for them to root on they would bleed out

[@the_rabidsquirel]

@@LowkoTV Could he not have used his two overlords to poop creep and leapfrog his spines forward to get to the extractor? Or is that too much time even for a tournament? EDIT: I'm dumb, I missed on the wiki that pooping creep requires a lair.

[@biometrix_]

7:43 Spawning Pool

[@jakeparker8675]

all my game endings are like this, as a drone rusher

[@chir0pter]

really like how Rogue played this series

[@andreyllosa9106]

wow these guys are really insane no wonder they're previous champions

[@matttully3178]

Why do the dead units float upwards in the first two games. Is that a map feature?

[@rancidpickles499]

The map is underwater

[@cobble3231]

I suspect Dark's drone pull to have been a bit of a revenge... Indeed, last BO5 Dark and Rogue had (GSL I think?) Started this way: Rogue 12 pool drone pull goes into a draw. What does Rogue do? Do it again and win this time.

[@Spartsou]

27:17 Poopagators! when did Rouge become that strong?!

[@VonSchmutzig]

nice!!

[@galacticviper4453]

I can't believe Lowko used an English word I didn't even know and I'm a native English speaker. Respect lol

[@user-cq4xk4em1c]

3:05 Rogue needed 10 minerals for extractor

[@dew9103]

In gsl s2 rogue vs dark first game is also a 12 pool and a draw

[@Thescott16]

Lowko, I know it's kind of a meme with you how "DPG" frustrates you a little because "Phoenix" is pronounced "Fee-nix", and "P" shouldn't sound like "F"... But the reason for that is because "phoenix" is actually a _Greek_ word (as in; how we spell it is from ancient Greek, not the actual myth of the phoenix... that's Egyptian). In ancient Greek, Phoenix was spelled with the letter "Φ" (called "phi"), which the Romans adapted into their Latin alphabet as "ph". Through the Roman Empire spreading their language and writing system all over Europe, that's how English ended up with "ph" sounding like "F". (that's actually the same way English ended up with "TH" and "CH" making their sounds; it was the Romans fault).

[@user-pn9qp1sr3e]

im surprised not to see spine crawlers in these matches they would easily shut down early aggression

[@gloomyspirit666]

plz tell me that you're going to cast Maru vs Serral or Maru vs Rogue as well .... plzzzzzz

[@MsHojat]

Draws aren't _that_ amazing, but a draw without a Terran player in the game is certainly quite amazing. Probably like 90-95% of draws are with Terrans, I'm guessing? (wild guess) Maybe I'm wrong. Super interesting and crazy game though. Lots of really weird unintuitive stuff to consider, such as _wanting_ to kill your own hatchery.

[@archapmangcmg]

It's not a "tunnelling-by", it's a "drill-by" :D

[@greyfox999]

This match is like watching Goku and Vegeta spar.

[@kylesanford3666]

How did he spot that changeling in his army. I’ll run skytoss and not notice a zealot

[@tomk887]

Why did he make the extractor away from the queen lol

[@Keln02]

if the hatch dies, creep disappears and the spines die, forcing dark to attack

[@Meschi-]

hey lowko you casted a game with lambo and that was a draw too

[@MadMan-7978]

In the game of 12 pools you win or you die. There is barely any middle ground and its called Ling bane

[@petrkubena]

I think first one should have been a win for rogue if he would've placed extractor closer to those spines. Queen regenerates, spine crawlers don't (or am i wrong?). So he could've slowly kill those three spines.

[@Mahongler]

Spines can regen as long as they’re burrowed

[@petrkubena]

@@Mahongler My mistake. thanks

[@ThunderChanter]

Damn, if Rouge managed to kill his base in game 1 he would have won it. The game knowledge and experience you have to have to realize thats the winning play will always be wild to me

[@markungvari9733]

Why he didnt finish that hatch?

[@1389Chopin]

Lol brenda! Bro echo another comment about talking about basics etc for us newbs - your casting is excellent

[@thomaswinston5927]

Couldn’t Dark have used an overlord to spew creep near the extractor and walked the spines over?

[@thomaswinston5927]

Nvm forgot about the queen

[@the_rabidsquirel]

He had two overlords and three spines though. Couldn't he have leapfrogged his spines forward to get to the extractor? I looked it up, spines outrange the queen ground attack and have the same range as the queen air attack. Even with transfuse I don't think a queen, drone, and ling are beating two spines, not to mention the third would eventually root, and the queen definitely isn't killing two overlords before being killed by a single spine. Maybe Dark just doesn't want to spend the time on that? Or risk messing it up and losing instead of drawing? EDIT: I'm dumb, I missed on the wiki that pooping creep requires a lair.

[@vancruising]

Dark did not have a structure on the first game anymore. What do you mean draw?

[@dudlecore7358]

Brenda got the spotlight

[@rambler1234567]

Why he couldn't kill the hatch and uproot his 3 spinecrawlers to kill the extractor? I think that queen would not kill 3 spines in time

[@dauswq]

Spine can only dig out and attack when on creep. Also, overlord cannot spread creep when Zerg not researched into Lair yet.

[@lisasebella]

I feel like we should call mutas an air-ling

[@alex.projects1400]

Very nice games! 🧀😄🧀

[@ui8087]

so Rogue had enough minerals to build an extractor. If he waits long enough, the spine crawlers will die to bleed due to creep receding after hatcheries are killed.

[@TheDarkASE]

The 11:11 minute draw

[@danydaniel1180]

@LowkoTV I have a beautiful StarCraft 2 replay how can i send you ?

[@Santriell]

Dark could have made a hail mary with the queen/drone past the spines, kill his own hatchery, leaving the spines bleeding out ;) (slim chances but i think it would have been doable) ^^

[@play819]

If he didn't spread creep he could of won since spine would bleed out right??? Lol

[@LunLunBall]

Then dark woudlnt kill rogues hatchery so they would still draw

[@morkgork3060]

There was also the time where Harstem and Serral were against each others and drew in the end, you made a video of it

[@l_ifeefi_l1998]

U forgot one thing: they both r super hawt sc gamers. Just like u lowko a super hawt caster!!

[@CrimsonS131]

Without a doubt these two are the best zergs in Korea. Rogue has more accomplishments but it's a toss up. Dark is deadly in mid game, Rogue is downright dirty in the early and a boss in late game

[@lorenzomartinez8543]

BRENDA

[@CubeItself]

is this how you play zerg vs zerg

[@ztp913]

if rogue didnt build any creep tumors, dark wouldve lost. if he uproots the crawlers, drones/queen kills, if he leaves them burrowed, they just die over time because theres no creep. OR he doesnt take out the hatch i guess

[@drewwalbeck6006]

Dark vs. Rahgoo will never not be fun to watch

[@YutaSuzukitv]

Who the F dislikes this!!! I bet it was a Protoss… best of 5 casted by the best caster out there, Dark on the game!!! Come on

[@sleep3417]

Why would a protoss dislike this? Either way a zerg gets clapped

[@YutaSuzukitv]

@@sleep3417 lack of Void rays

[@vlads5793]

It is not a draw because he can still drop creep with the overlord and put the spines on that

[@dauswq]

No. Overlord can only spread the creep if Zerg transitioned into Lair. There is nothing more he can do to at that situation.

[@aaronfkckcjc6910]

if only there was no creep tumour...then the creep would have meant dark must defend rogues hatch for the draw...oh well

[@vicissitude1210]

When you smoke pot before casting:

[@voidphoenix2991]

the hell is a 12 pool