Stellaris - Fallen Empire Mechanics (Hedonism Ahoy!)

[@drnolegs797]

50 seconds in and you did the xenophobe icon twice. Shaking my SMH youtuber, Unsubscribe.

[@GonDragon]

You don't understand. It's because they are not truly xenophilic, they are mildly xenophobic. They don't want to integrate your species in it's world, they just like how it's looks, so they want to put it in a zoo.

[@r30413]

yea...for aspec, there are only degrees of xenophobe...

[@jagothegamer5750]

Thank you for pointing that mistake out, it was mildly triggering seeing one fanatic ethic and one non fanatic ethic on screen, at least this way we can conclude it was a mistake.

[@p5eudo883]

I got triggered too.

[@Solongsocialmedia]

You guys would be excellent in Game Sins

[@sqocks8254]

_Just sit around being hedonists basically breeding a new Slaanesh_ *BY THE EMPEROR*

[@csabaszasz4466]

HERESY

[@Accentaur]

Fall of the Eldar 2: Electric Boogaloo.

[@josephcola9662]

And you can't even take the hedonist jobs yourselves once you conquer them... or any of their other jobs

[@justinthompson6364]

@@josephcola9662 Hedonist jobs are basically unemployed pops on social welfare, but they're locked into the highest stratum. Not all that good, imo.

[@funybirbman3813]

[Screams in Khornite]

[@tacticaldroidtx22]

When an undeveloped civilisation colonises your gaia world, braking the N.A.P., so you send your recreational McTitans(TM) to purge their entire species.

[@willnash7907]

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[@chanamo7636]

Bro let’s just establish Ancapistan but in space

[@svijj_]

@@chanamo7636 United Planetary Properties Of Ancapistan (UPPA)

[@specs.weedle]

fallen megacorp when

[@Mbeluba]

@@specs.weedle fallen? For what reason? Tax purposes?

[@Hexagon666]

0:49 Like: „There is no xenophile! Only xenophobic and less xenophobic“

[@tacticaldroidtx22]

Anything less is heresy.

[@BAGELMENSK]

*BLAM* That's Xenophobic and MORE Xenophobic to you, heretic.

[@olegoleg258]

Hexagoner where you at

[@seneca983]

Is your username "Hexagon" because you're a materialist?

[@MrBootYaNan]

I've got a game with fanatic xenophile fallen empire in it

[@juke9674]

Fun fact: if you play as the materialist fallen empire using console commands you get their side of the "great xeno scientist" event and the reason they want to abduct him is actually because he might advance your technology too much, so they tell you he is too great and should work for them, but they actually exterminate him immediately upon picking him up.

[@potato88872]

Thank you in telling me that

[@todorchonov5356]

Got info on the other empires?

[@juke9674]

@@todorchonov5356 nah youll have to check em put yourself. Its insane pdx put this in tho

[@nxdiaz5916]

@@juke9674 That’s how you know the devs care about this game, they hide secrets and lore so out of the way you have to hack the game to see some of it

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

This is why they can’t be trusted

[@katier9725]

Presenting the new Fallen Empires: Xenophobic and Fanatic Xenophobic. The Emperor Protects!

[@andrastuba3085]

As it should be!

[@dangernoodle8813]

The Emperor Protects

[@BaranzarCobralLIVE]

Emperor Protects

[@commanderknight9314]

I don't like the emperor.

[@tacticaldroidtx22]

The god emperor protects!

[@user-gt6pi4pv2k]

"exceptional powerhouses that are incredibly powerful" please never change aspec you precious snowball

[@BaranzarCobralLIVE]

would love an expansion that would allow you to create a fallen empire and let you bring it back to its former glory

[@wilmagregg3131]

zenith of the fallen emprire mods asre for you then a whole series of mods that let you do just that and let a player empire ascend into a awakend empire and then if they fuck up bad enough or just choose to decline can even descend into a fallen empire its a great mod series

[@harlan7012]

There's now the remnants orgin that starts you with a size 22 relic world as well as tech bonuses. But that's the closest thing to it.

[@UnholyWrath3277]

Itd just be hard af to balance because fallen empires start so much stronger. Either youd have to spawn powerful ai factions from the start or have other awakening fallen empire in the galaxy gunning for you early

[@Mastro-Forno]

wait people goes at war with them for the resources?! i did it for the tech...

[@Elbrasch]

Their worlds are rather tasty most of the times...

[@PaulonTheBrave]

I usual play a rather friendly game so I only go to war then when they awaken

[@XxTaiMTxX]

I went to war with them for the Tech as well. Not that I need it. My research already outstrips everyone in the galaxy. I went to war just to unlock the tech. Claimed no planets of theirs, no systems. They immediately went back to war with me as soon as the "grace period" ended. I chose "humiliation" as a war goal. Knocked 'em down a peg again. As soon as the grace period ended again, right back to war with me. This time, I was simply tired of it. I claimed every system they owned, wiped their species off of EVERY planet they owned with my Colossus except for ONE planet... And won the war. Once I won, I took their species, improved it with my genetics stuff... and improved their whole species to be part of my xenophile empire of like 35 different species. Basically, I want their tech for the "endgame crisis". Though, at this point, I'll probably knock that out of the park as well. I own like 60% of the entire galaxy and can't even manage all the planets I own. I don't need more real estate. I need less people who want to go to war with me, and the quicker arrival of the end-game threat. Even with my small fleets of only 45K power, I mop the floor with other fleets I run across. I kind of wish the Fallen Empires had more tech than they do. Like, a whole new tree's worth of tech. I kind of hate getting to the end of a tech tree and just getting "infinite bonuses".

[@csabaszasz4466]

Oh God how I aggree with your statement... I hate the infinite techs as well

[@Accentaur]

The Quest for Knowledge knows no end, eh?

[@jackhazardous4008]

>not cracking a holy world to start a war with spiritual fallen empires You're going about this all wrong

[@Sereze001]

To be fair, getting a FE to declare a war on you is a massive plus since you get all the defensive bonuses.

[@wickedAberration]

@@Sereze001 honestly it's not hard to provoke a fallen empire. I expanded to their border, then claimed a few systems, they tried to humiliate me and got consumed.

[@RandoGrunt]

Heck, not even that. Even playing as complete isolationists where you can't even declare war on everyone, just merely Prank Calling the FE next door to you when you're ready to take them on and steal their systems will have them declare war on you, even when it's obvious you have 10 times the fire and manpower then them.

[@taelim6599]

@@RandoGrunt I was never able to get a fallen empire to declare war on me.

[@turtinator8735]

@@taelim6599 just declare them your rival or crack a holy world problem solved

[@Exodon2020]

1:31 they do on one occasion: If you are a spiritualist Empire and "acknowledge" their Holy World within your Borders they'll turn very friendly towards you

[@SimonWolfie]

I think that the holy world ascension perk is bugged, cause I acknowledged two of their holy worlds and they didn't give a shit.

[@sqocks8254]

Thanks for the advise ☺

[@potato88872]

Sometimes they turn into patronizing Other time, they will still neutral

[@trugerman6279]

"...and then theres Xenophile and Xenophobe, jk everyone gets nuked from Orbit" is what Aspec actually wanted to say

[@myhafa4757]

2400 year. Fallen Empire with two 85K fleets: "We will punish you!" Me with my five 900K fleets: "Heh. Yeah. Punish me please"

[@CRUASSANFAN]

me with single 10k fleet at year 2500 - O_O

[@UnholyWrath3277]

@@CRUASSANFAN bruh how did you survive at that point? Like the crisis would eat you like nothing

[@hasogon]

Ayo? 🫵🤨📸

[@bobolobo9487]

you could say that if you turn them into a vassal, you've made them fall for you heHahehaheah

[@corv3007]

Bobo Lobo how dare you taint this comment section with such a bad pun and thus now i declare a war upon your entire bloodline

[@arianas0714]

*Stop right there, it's the joke police*

[@thejokestersquad3686]

pfp just makes this better

[@josephcola9662]

Still waiting on playable space nomads. Now that we don't have tiles I feel like it would be easier to code a small planet, give it a ship texture, and let it move. God I hope they add that at some point.

[@wilmagregg3131]

something like the planet crusiser from giga structures

[@dermilchmann25]

eldar craftworlds?

[@colehinson9306]

Didn’t the Devs say they were never going to do that, I swear I’ve heard that somewhere

[@scytheseven9173]

Try planet cracking a holy world. It's fun.

[@GBM6988]

Oh I plan on it muahahahaha I can't wait.

[@kingof_prussia]

@Reinert Zerker Gee, I wonder why.... Maybe they're unhappy about their holy sites being LITERALLY SNAPPED IN HALF. Just give them some Flex Tape, then they'll be cool with you (I tested it in game)

[@RedShocktrooperRST]

Especially if you're Fanatic Purifiers.

[@Jager-Style]

Crack a Holy World as a Devouring Swarm. HAK HAK HAK

[@doot7730]

@@kingof_prussia what about flex seal?

[@VengeanceMkII]

It was a long time after the feature was released but when I had my first major War in Heaven something amazing happened. Every race rejected the Awakened Empires' demands to join them and everyone joined in a League of Non-Aligned Worlds in unity to defend against the dark. The entire game map sans the Awakened Empires became a unified color in alliance. It was quite impressive until the AI rears its head of how incompetent it is at handling a galaxy's worth of battlefleets. In fact the War in Heaven ended frequently in drawn out wars of indecisiveness. It got so bad that members began to leave the alliance out of sheer disliking of the others because some ethics were simply too conflicting. In the end my own race, whom held the most powerful single battlefleet in the galaxy besides the Awakened Empires, held a vote to the Federation to declare war on the weaker of the Awakened Empires. Surely with the combined Federation fleet and my own fleet we can defeat them. But the vote failed by a land slide, the Federation was scared, indecisive. My empire then finally made their decision. We destroyed the Federation fleet, left the Federation, declared war on the weaker Awakened Empire ourselves and defeated them by ourselves alone. Yes we gave the middle finger to the Federation by de-constructing the entire shared fleet as an insult in order to prevent retaliation against my Empire.

[@tacticalfanatic8795]

I remember back in an older version of the game when I was saddled up next a spiritualist fallen empire. There’s was a Gia world right outside their territory and of course I knew I shouldn’t colonize it. So a few decades passed and I eventually made that area a sector and turned on the auto colonize button (I can’t remember what it was called), I wasn’t really thinking about it. A few months later the fallen empire declared war on me. I was like, “What?!”. That’s when I found out that my sector governor had the ‘brilliant’ idea of colonizing that Gia world. Long story short, my empire was wiped out because my governor couldn’t be trusted to make smart choices.

[@sqocks8254]

Bet that governor was part of the materialist faction 😂

[@svenzverg7321]

I declared my neighbor military isolationist a rival once by accident. They barely wait for couple of days before appearing with all that “Kneel, bitch, for we are not amused!” attitude. I was in the beginning of the crisis, so I told them to fuck off, without even reading properly. Boy, oh boy, weren’t they pissed off... Only the fact that unbidden were rampaging really far away from me combined with AI’s clinical stupidity saved me from being rect that time. Three 65k fleets _suddenly_ appearing at your backdoor is not a joke.

[@RobinTheBot]

You trusted the AI. Stellaris AI is just a 1d20 roll. Never use it. Ever.

[@RandoGrunt]

Trust Star Wars Empire at War's Auto Resolve more than the Stellaris AI.

[@juliankirby9880]

What is this automation feature you speak of? It sounds like a wonderful double edged sword.

[@DrBLOOD1995]

Also guys, try to destroy a holy world with a colossus, what will happen after that is quite funny...

[@SimonWolfie]

that sounds like a FANTASTIC idea, with no negative consequences.

[@PaulonTheBrave]

Yeah it's not like they will immediately awaken or anything

[@csabaszasz4466]

If it isn't colonised you can't use a collosus on it. If you colonize it you go to war.

[@felixn4420]

@@csabaszasz4466 Why can't you destroy it. You can destroy every planet, colonised or not

[@LarryTheMailman]

@@csabaszasz4466 Then just get one pop on it and crack open the cold, heartless Gaia world

[@robotbattalion1701]

Before they streamlined fleets, I fought a massive war of attrition with a materialist FE. They kicked my ass in, the first war. However I was able not lose territory as they were over extended. The next war was rough but we held our own. The third war, we slaughtered them by the truck load and liberated all of our neighbors. It was probably the most epic game of Stellaris I ever played. Sadly, wars with them have never been as epic since.

[@lawkig]

It's kind of obvious to me now why I find this game so addictive already.

[@Spartan878455]

You forgot to mention that while they will not replace ships during a war they do have an event that gives them ships if they are under a certain number.

[@Enubatan]

Me: Oh this is a fun game, sorta like Civ in space! Me: Whoa who are these guys? They could wipe me out in a second... but they're not doing anything. Maybe if I try diplomacy? Fallen Empire: Me: Huh, guess not, well they're not doing anything, I'll just leave them alone for now. Fallen Empire: Me: This is fun, I just need to get some better ships to defend myself. Fallen Empire: Me: *Fleet Power reaches 40K* Now I'm getting somewhere. I'll just keep trucking along Fallen Empire: * TRIGGERED*

[@TOONYBOY]

I hate Fallen Empires with a burning passion. I consider it a prerequisite to get the Galactic Contender Ascension perk

[@TOONYBOY]

@@Ghost-bq7gk Are you sure in that time they didn't become Awakened? Did you get a pop-up or event saying something along the lines of "Shipyards from a bygone age suddenly fired up again"? Because that's when a Fallen Empire becomes an Awakened Ascendancy where they try to regain their power and control over the galaxy

[@bawbzzz4020]

Ghost03230 they’re awakened..

[@vedantthapar3666]

Ghost03230 I swear, I was going to war with the spiritualists and my sensors told me that they has 170k fleet power, my fleet had around 200k with setup built to counter them, but as soon as I insulted them they immediately built new ships, attacked and steamrolled me. They weren’t awakened either.....

[@operationkilled]

*ASpec:* _If you encounter a Fallen Empire Space Station, don't get close._ *Me an intellectual species:* _Well now, what if I just use some-_ [SPAM/MASS CORVETTES WITH DEVASTATOR TORPEDOES & STORMFIRE AUTOCANNON ON IT]

[@day2148]

The Spiritualist FE is annoying... unless you're also Spiritualist! In which case, hey awesome I can get 3 Consecrated Holy Worlds that also improve my relations with that FE for some sweet, sweet gifts!

[@HC-nj3bs]

Day Y. What type of gift ?

[@ferrusmanus4013]

how dare you to say such disgusting word "annoying"about our holy guardians!!!

[@Albertosn3]

@@HC-nj3bs From my experience: Resources, technology, Fallen Empire ships. The usual.

[@taelim6599]

I actually liked them, because conquering them is what allowed me to get psionics as a fanatically materialist empire.

[@metaouroboros690]

@@taelim6599 Same here. That, and a ton of pops. Gotta love their tendency to faff about taking useless systems from allies while you peacefully siege their home planets.

[@coolchrisable]

Xenophile, i dont even have my heresy detector and i can hear it going of from the next room

[@elroyscout]

You glossed over how fallen empire planets tend to have unholy masses of troops as a garison. They are the biggest obstructions, 3k power with fortesses and other advantages that seem to presist even if the fleet is overhead bombing them into last week. You need to pack heavy, double or tripple their army power, full devestation best general and then think of landing, and prepare for 25% war exhaustion upon taking the place

[@konigstiger8518]

Or you could just be a driven assimalator and use the cyborg colossus on the planet and just take it and the pop with it lol.

[@Garykem8]

@@konigstiger8518 i love doing that so much

[@myhafa4757]

@@konigstiger8518 or if you luck and get a cybrex war forge. the warform is awesome

[@yahelgamer32]

I just let my puppets take it

[@vexcine]

Xenomorph armies with a collateral general. My friend did this with HALF their army power and won by a landslide

[@deathnotehell1]

This reminds me of my first ever game of Stellaris where I started near a fallen empire not knowing what it was. They were militarists and after a "disagreement" happened they teleported their fleet into my homeworld system, wiped out my tiny fleet before killing my leader during the peace talks as a "message."

[@A_Spec]

Ye, that happens,.don't mess with militant isolationists

[@rhael42]

6:50 The machine fallen empire has a chance to go rogue if the contingency *happens*, not if the contingency fails to happen. If the contingency happens, the Ancient Caretakers (the machine fallen empire) will always be chosen to awaken as guardians of the galaxy. However, there is a 33.33(repeating, of course)% chance that they will be corrupted by the contingency and go berserk. 8:45 Any two fallen empires can start a war in heaven. However, the chance of it happening is significantly higher for fallen empires with opposing ethics.

[@theepictroll5926]

well now after reading the video description I now have to go listen to xenophobia a few dozen times. thanks aspec. thanks.

[@Elbrasch]

But a war in heaven is one of the last challenging/fun events in the game :P. Neutral alliance forever :D

[@josephcola9662]

When you single handedly carry the entire LONAP on your back as inward perfectionists because you can.

[@csabaszasz4466]

Agreed.

[@caad5258]

indeed

[@csabaszasz4466]

@@versok2999 nah, its more fun to have the biggest d*ck fleets and no one can contend with you but they fight between each other and you lord over them

[@potato88872]

Yep, I can confirm that, it literay ww1 in space

[@WillFixPlanesForMoneh]

Just want point out something that aspec didn’t cover in the video about the war in heaven. There is a small chance I forget how much but fallen empires that awaken can start the war in heaven even if they aren’t paired ( for example a materialist AE and a Xenophobic AE can start the war in heaven I know from personal experience and I was shocked)

[@FUnazis]

Yeh, in my current game, I got materialists and xenophiles and they began their war in heaven. Interestingly, even though the materialists are significantly stronger in fleet power, all remaining other empires except for one decided to side with the xenophiles. Not sure if that is a case of something unlikely happening, or if they are naturally more likely to join xenophile in this.

[@potato88872]

In my recent war in heaven i have the reclaimer go "hippity hoppity you empire is now my property" with more then 70% of the galaxy under their controll My empire was robotic that for more then 200 years remain isolated from anything and anyone, except a few treat here and there. After that for roughly 30 years, maybe more, I start pocking other empire, especialy when two empire decide go into the crisis perk ( one of them even manage to go to the end of it.......and got curmstombed ) Then, the first two main war, I decide to go to war with the weakened xenophile awakened empire to fix my border and get choke point to place my fleet And then, I decide to go war with the other fallen empire because i wanted that L-GATE And it went horrible bad, like i start with 6 full fleet and finish with only 1 fully function, the other were all badly damage, my empire got cut into 3 sector ( not to far from each other but still, very sad ) and I only have a 10 year truce. So, in true fallen empire style, we fully awaken and we start rebuild, thus starting an 80 years cold war beetween me and the reclaimers, in that period i build a ring world, a sentry array, strategic center and the mega shipyard, become the custodian to get 3 extra battleship fleet free upkeep, and so on Then the second war started to reclaim my lost territory and, it was tought but I manage to reconect all the sector and dealing so much damage to their fleet that I knocked them down from supremacy to isolation policy ( yes they can change their policy ) After that I got in two brief with the ancient caretaker ( fully conquered ) and the fallen empire materialist plus his scion ( only two system taken from them, the scion is relative intact ) and then the third war with the jingoist, kinda brief but I manage to finaly be in positive territory gain and to put them equivalent fleet power with me That my war in heaven in a nutshell

[@bladeknightmaster1]

How to defeat fallen empires: have a fleet that's twice as powerful as all of theirs combined

[@josephbray9979]

I had the problem with the war in heaven where I was the leader of the third faction and both fallen empires declared war on me. It wasn't so bad when I defeated both of them, but all the other factions that joined with them were still are war with me and the war attrition modifier never went up, which meant I had to conquer most of the galaxy in order to end the war

[@josephcola9662]

It would be nice if the game actually made the AE's dec on you like the game says they do, so you can get the defensive war bonus and your pacifist faction doesn't loose its shxt.

[@svenzverg7321]

Didn’t they get attrition from battles? I definitely ended war in heaven with status quo several times.

[@swapertxking]

I wonder what a pacifistic fallen empire would look like.

[@PaulonTheBrave]

I actually tried making a mod for that but, I ended up ditching it after something broke and they became despeakable nutrals but I ended up giving in them

[@harbl99]

The Autistic Autarchy Archonate. Similar to the Enigmatic Observers while Fallen, but becoming their vassal if/when they Awaken (as the Passive-Aggressivist Panjandrums) causes your ethics to shift towards pacifism. If you don't become their wiling vassal; well, they won't start a war, but nothing says they have to protect you from another AE, or that they won't subsidise your enemies and give them missions to knock you down a peg or two... "Some people have to learn the hard way."

[@cruye9633]

You will embrace out peaceful ways. By force!

[@PaulonTheBrave]

@@harbl99 I think the problem is that they would need a special ethic to allow them to declare war but I think the fallen empire would function as pretty much a normal passivist empire but late game when they awaken they would attack anyone who was an "warmonger" and basically impose there ideology on them.

[@joelfilho2625]

Space Switzerland: Detterence on the galactic level. They'd have a bigger fleet than most other empires, but only go to war when attacked.

[@StabbySabby]

i had a Holy World near my empire once and my neighbor that i so happened to be at war with colonized it. guess who suddenly was in the good graces of a spiritual fallen empire.

[@hellios5576]

Unless they changed it in 2.2, opposing ethics are not required for a war in heaven

[@rhorynotmylastname7781]

Wait if there is only one fallen empire and the severely weakened remnants of another fallen empire can it start a war in heaven?

[@AbhinavKumar-vy7kx]

@@rhorynotmylastname7781 if you can see two fallen empire in your contacts screen, a chance of war in heaven happening is there

[@Comicsluvr]

Some amazing camera angles in this video!

[@EvGamerBETA]

Pity. I coudn't have officialy won war in heaven, because empire of Awaken from "Upload conciosness" event chain refused to be erradicated, even though they lost everything. It's kinda intresting. I blew up their last planet and then I've saw cracked world outside their window

[@battlesheep2552]

Me: destroys holy world Religious FE: “it’s time for a fucking crusade”

[@still930]

Don't the spiritualists warm up to you if you consecrate their holy worlds? I remember getting a positive modifier for that once.

[@Silverraptorvideos]

I find it interesting that the machine fallen empire is meant to counter the contingency, but use a bunch of laser weapons vs the contingency's mostly shield ships.

[@akya]

Aspec.. I have been eating cheddar for 6 months now.. I am fat now.. thanks so much :/

[@fi866]

Best way to beat a fallen empire? Add_ship titan class

[@itstriplem2069]

CHEATS ARE BAE

[@clementj2588]

add_ship dragon class

[@alexbrewer8552]

research_all_technologies research_all_technologies 1

[@RJL8030]

View a fallen empire system Type "own" in console Repeat.

[@prisonerofthehighway1059]

Guns, lots of guns.

[@HitodamaKyrie]

0:13 "Exceptional powerhouses that are incredibly powerful" you say?

[@A_Spec]

Exceptionally.

[@afrancisco3814]

I love your videos. I noticed I have a ton of fun playing on max difficulty with crisis at max. Setting the end game to 2350 and riding it out. Still trying to get my stations to 800k but I end up taking over the whole galaxy before I’m even at 150k. Anyways keep up the good work

[@jack1701e]

Seeing a lore video of the Eldar from 40k in the related videos is perfectly related :p

[@wilhelmvonlaer5699]

If you have the consecrated worlds ascendancy perk early on, you can draw a good advantage from those worlds holy gaia worlds at the spiritualists borders. You will need very little amenity buildings from that point on

[@UltimateSpinDash]

The Caretakers increase the chance of the Contingency appearing by their mere presence, but if another Endgame crisis is triggered, the Caretakers will not awaken under any circumstances. They only have the chance to go berserk when the Contingency first appears. If they don't go berserk, another FE can still become Guardian of the Galaxy, so you may end up with two FEs fighting the Contingency alongside you.

[@baconsir1159]

My first experience was building a starbase, then almost IMMEDIATELY discovering a fallen empire next to it A xenophobic one They immediately declared war, I (with my mighty 4k fleets) surrendered immediately, and they *_decapitated my leader_* as a show of force

[@A_Spec]

I guess it went over your head.

[@samrparker1224]

5:00 Jokes on you I just used a Neutron Sweep on their Capital

[@moxiwolf]

In best clanker general voice "A fine addition to my collection"

[@gamerofwar99]

The Materialists have a special world called "the archive" which have "Archivists" which produce research from thin air like science directors but a little worse as they don't produce with extra amenities, but also a little better because the structure creating these jobs called the "master archive" produces 100 of each research type with no input.

[@Quickshot0]

You know, with all these fallen empires and end game crisis, wouldn't it be something if you could start in a galaxy that was instead ruined by a massive war between such factions? Basically a galaxy where all the bad things happened... and perhaps will come back after licking their wounds for another round. Seems like it could at least be an interesting new flavor of game, or perhaps a harder game with unique higher level challenges.

[@joelfilho2625]

It would be very cool if you had 'scenarios' to choose in the begining of the game. Shit like: -Post War on Heaven Galaxy, where a bigger number of habitable worlds are tomb worlds, there's one Huge falllen empire in the middle of the Galaxy and other nearby 'pacifist' (e.g. pacified) fallen empires. Young Bloomers- You are one of the first species to achieve FTL other than a Xenophile Fallen empire. A lot more planets are populated by primitives and the FE will declare war on you if you try to 'cleanse' a world for colonisation. They give you missions for uplifting some races, and eventually other races reach FLT era, and they'll have some tech donated to them by the FE to 'equalize the playing ground' Galactic trade company - A special FE that will demand any strategic resources you collect, eventually demanding the systems producing them. Wait, what? - You are the only organic species on a Galaxy of different robotic fanatic anihilators. You have 150 years before they realize you are, in fact, an organic and most will declare war on you

[@Zarala2010]

"...they are all about the dakka..." I see what you did there. PS2 salty knight you... :D

[@erikduff2237]

My war in heaven with the fallen empires never ended after one faction died so I had no choice but to conquer the entire galaxy

[@gwynimpostor]

me after 1 year: " just use 3000 corvettes"

[@wfb.subtraktor311]

Getting the Holy Worlds is amazing when running spiritualist You can just use consecrated Worlds on these Worlds and that way get endless amenities

[@josey_8204]

I tried to purge the fallen empires of my galaxy. I needed to watch this instead of fighting them with five corvettes.

[@danielramirez1529]

Hey this was pretty good man. I didn’t know that it was preferable to not have the war in heaven by attacking preemptively the fallen empires before they wake up. I always just thought it was inevitable and prepared for such eventualities.

[@regentcid4348]

Immediate like upon hearing mention of the Prince of Pleasure

[@sqocks8254]

Isn't it the Princess of Pleasure?

[@Tabby3456]

*spiritualists and materialists squabbling* Fallen Empire: *yawn* oh, i'm sorry. Did my existance have to do anything with this Materialist: Mtochondria is the powerhouse of the cell. Fallen Empire: *"wakes up"*

[@infernosgaming8942]

fallen empires are like plutonium nuclear cores. You can jab them with a screwdriver and hold it within 2 nearly-connected beryllium hemispheres but at some point that screwdriver slips and you get exposed to a blast of radiation at point blank.

[@mrlandshark5559]

I lucked out and had a materialist FE and a xenophile FE spawn in my session. I did a couple of things for them so I can get in their borders. I've used this to do hit and runs on an empire stronger than mine.

[@mrlandshark5559]

@shadowyeager I'LL DO THAT!

[@zawojtek]

You could add that if you consecrated holy world fallen empire will start to like you

[@apollon5205]

Exceptional power houses that are incredibly powerful - ASpec, 2019

[@A_Spec]

Incredible

[@nacholibre4516]

the point about the fallen empires stations is that they need a different weapons setup to destroy then against their fleets. Against their fleets you need to negate their poweful shields but against their stations its the massive hull power. So have some fleets available with the right setup to destroy their stations.

[@cbl1199]

Also a fun thing with the materialist requiring one of your pops or scientist, will always give them the lowest strata jobs. Like go check their planet pops after they requested one of yours, almost assuredly its going to be doing clerks jobs or something, they effectively just needed proles for boring jobs so they passed it off as an improvement in relations and they'd be treated ''correctly''.

[@rey6024]

Thanks for this fam

[@davidbodor1762]

Arc emitters/disruptors kill their fleets but Devastator torpedo corvette swarms will shoot down their stations in 3-4 volleys usually so corvette swarms are always nice. With some stormfire/plasma integrated of course to kill low hit point targets.

[@a-o2063]

If you complete the Zarlaqaan digsite and get his head as the relic reward for it. Spiritualist fallen empires will contact you claiming you are the chosen of zarlaqaan and will allow you to colonize any unclaimed holy worlds.

[@Mr.FastZombie]

Me and my friend decided to form a federation against the fallen empires, and now the entire Galaxy is in a three way war and we're the underdogs, but we managed to crack the homeworld and one of its sister worlds (literally named sister) in one of the fallen empires.

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

Idk about “powerhouses.” By the time one of them even _thinks_ about waking up, I’m on enough eco and mega-shipyards to pop out a full 150k battlefleet with a pair of titans attached once every year.

[@quaronncz464]

I think Paradox should add those Fallen Empire ships and cities as playable because boi.... those look amazing

[@JOHNRED663]

One fun thing to do is, with the fallen empire that would purge you just for building a star post next to their border, you can sneak a star post between them and another empire that you don't like and then just gift the star post to fallen empire. Make sure that the star post isn't connected to your border too. Because of how the AI works, the fallen empire would declare war on the empire that you had just linked them to. And lastly, enjoy the purge! :3

[@phillipmay2680]

Wtf as soon as you made that Pokémon joke about the xenophiles I got a Pokémon master ad lmfao

[@jamesporach6094]

Best way to defeat fallen empirea.... Just cheat

[@mailmanwilly]

Where's the lie.

[@csabaszasz4466]

Its fun overpowering both fallen empires tho in a war of heaven. Have a save a spiritualist xenophobe, I overpowered both awakened empires " Get out of my galaxy both of you! "

[@csabaszasz4466]

Without cheats it feels extremely rad

[@joelfilho2625]

@@csabaszasz4466 Yeah, I had a 'three planet tall' empire once, and had some real good bonuses to research speed (110% or something) and my tech was endgame by the midgame, so I decided to wipe off all of those lethargic cunts from the Galaxy and absorb their tech. The fact that I used the 'no retreat' war policy made it especially cool.

[@dr.izzy01]

Or form a technocratic federation and tell that fallen pleb to shove his spirits up his arse!

[@mikexpro66]

I had this one game where war in heaven kicked off, I was the most powerful empire in the game but I was caught of guard, my fleets being spread out far and wide, third faction formed and I was fighting to secure two of my borders from completely collapsing. I did manage against two fallen empires only to have unbidden spawn in my ally's teritorry and near mine. Another race to complete opposite side of my empire with majority of my fleet, leaving only minor forces hoping I don't get crushed by the fallen empire. That was a hell of a game, had to rush down the main unbidden gate and ignore them as they just smashed my ally and my planets then rush back to fight the fallen after that. Stellaris can be such an asshole at times.

[@Chris_MarMar]

You basically become a fallen empire yourself after shit like that.

[@qwertygirl334675]

Important thing to note is that the machine fallen empire can JOIN the Contingency, it became a wild party when the Contingency came about and the Fallen Empire became corrupted too, lots of dead folks. R.I.P.

[@VynalDerp]

I almost didn't believe you when you said there were five different fallen empires. Got back into Stellaris recently and in the last 6 games I've played with 4+ fallen empires have been nothing but Ascendancies. I've yet to see anything else.

[@thethugpugz7904]

Wen a fallen empire starts going ham early mid game and no one even has cruisers yet and takes over half the galaxy

[@itstriplem2069]

What happens in your games?

[@RandoGrunt]

4:01 *LOAD THE CYCLONIC TORPEDOES!* Wipe these foul xenos off the face of the galaxy!

[@Kafson]

if u are spiritualist empire and you hollow a holy world, then the spiritualist fe does reward you

[@someasshole929]

I was gonna' mention how you used to xenophobe icon for the xenophile ethic at 0:48, but then i looked at the comment section and realized that nearly everyone here is probably aware by now, lol

[@Boomerrage32]

I got a suggestion for a topic. Tips on games where tech cost, tradition cost, mid-game start year, and late-game start year are all set to max.

[@michaeledmunds7266]

Another point... if you're a machine intelligence, you will get some special interactions and events with the caretakers, and if you stay on good terms with them they'll occasionally give you free shit.

[@chazowar9519]

When your stuck In an area because of two fallen empires closing there boarders

[@undeadfish66d98]

I’ve always gone with an all around ship design where I used a diverse amount of weapons and defense

[@RockyX456]

I've been trying to get War in the heaven trigger for the longest fucking time for the achievement. And it's always "1 FE awakens...and the rest sit on their laurels until the game ends."

[@isaacibbotson4632]

My first fe experience was a fanatic xenophile who got absolutely anhillated by the scourge crisis right after I did

[@sirluis4972]

The fastest way I use to soften up the fallen off empires that care about Gaia worlds was to colonize the Gaia world. Once I had it colonized I would gift the world to the strongest and closest empire I did not like. Sit back and watch the fire works. Then swoop in after the war to pick off any easy capturable system I could when both empires were weakened from war with each other.

[@Alfha_Robby]

nope you can't no longer do that since devs already fix that bug and the AI Empire will refuse Colonized Holy World and Border system of Xenophobe Fallen Empire even if you use Trade Negotiation and Gift them those system or Planet.

[@sirluis4972]

@@Alfha_Robby awww buzz kill. I have not played stellaris in a long time so its a shame that strategy no longer is viable.

[@jagothegamer5750]

1:25 actually, Aspec, they open their borders if they like you and have the "Pateronizing" opinion of you. Edit: nvm I misunderstood, I thought you were talking about FE's in general.

[@Animalace3]

Yeah, my very first game of Stellaris ended very quickly as I didn't realize that there are Gaia worlds that shouldn't be colonized (my 2.5k fleet didn't stand a shadow of a chance against the incoming tide of Fallen Empire ships).

[@ninja_bladez_139]

Having the Fanatic spiritualists as a neighbor is so OP. Especially if you’re running a spiritual empire, sadly it’s only OP if you have the anomaly DLC, but if you do you’ll know why ;)

[@mrgasmask6669]

You ever just orbal bombard a holy world untill it's a tomb world

[@bakabaka2061]

As soon as I am high enough in tech and status, I blow them apart piece by piece.

[@akramlahmouri6101]

war in heaven is the best outcome , specialy if you choose to be in the third faction

[@VaciliNikoMavich]

What about the somewhat rare instance of an FE waking up, and becoming a "Guardian of the Galaxy", trying to counter the end hamr crisis...only for them to do horribly, because ai just wants fo expand, rather than actually fight the crisis.

[@A_Spec]

Awakened empires soon

[@romulus2473]

I kinda want to see a fallen empire option for each ethic. Fallen authoritarian and fallen democratic would be an interesting war if for purely RP reasons Also a fallen pacifist empire for reasons.

[@wilmagregg3131]

maybe have the fallen democrats be a fallen once great galactic republic that fell apart in wars so intense they couldnt expand again and the fallen authortarians bascially just need to be the imperium of man

[@TheRealPentigan]

Fallen Authoritatians aim to have a protective ring of Vassal empires around their FE territory until they pop Awakened and take over things personally starting with integrating their vassals. Fallen Egalitarians would be a FE comprised of smaller "planet-states" that are individually powerful but cannot agree on anything drastic (even being unwilling to amass more than one fleet in an area unless a planet is getting bombarded) and then they Awaken when either they elect a Dictator in an hour of crisis and flip to Authoritarian or the individual states agree to start integrating new 'states' into their republic.

[@vitaliitomas8121]

Few days ago I played as Commonwealth of Man. To make it short, Sol system spawned as a *director neighbor* to Xenophobes. It was fun nerve stapling them

[@DanielAllan]

I have at times taken the border next to the awaken empire that doesn't like it.. and then transfer it to someone I dont like before they ask for the land back, always fun to see an annoying neighbour get wiped out.

[@A_Spec]

Not entirely sure that tactic still works anymore. I'll have a look.