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[@ejmolloy2954]

Had a few associates graduate the pipeline and shortly after, they had bodies like Greek gods. I asked a buddy if it was Group's fitness program and he said he lifts a lot of heavy shit. Later on between a beer I said I hit a plateau. That's when he shared his secret of injectables. He said the job demanded you to be basically superhuman. Unfortunately for him he didn't realize your joints and ligaments can't keep up with the muscle growth. Without getting burned by the UCMJ, he was forced to medically retire. He was the team sausage and after seeing a pic of his team, it was obvious they all drank the kool-aid.

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

It happens

[@ejmolloy2954]

Having a family, I was against it for myself. Knowing my luck, I'd be made an example of and my family's financial and physical welfare would be in jeopardy. Now that I'm a loner, the pros to hit that next level seem to outweigh the cons. However I have to get there first. I'm smart enough to listen to my body "sometimes" and read the room. Guess I'm still on the fence "for myself" until I hopefully make it to a team and prove I able to throw in. My situation forced me to move everything to the right. I'm looking at spring for SFAS so, where do I find out what the official PFT will consist of?

[@atmosrepair]

If he is still breathing, that's a victory

[@ejmolloy2954]

@@atmosrepair eh, not if you negatively effect your quality of life. I had a fellow brother lose both his legs in Iraq 03'. His benefits gave him the world but he chose death because his quality of life was substandard due to his combat wounds.

[@atmosrepair]

@@ejmolloy2954 I suppose you mean that he would rather go out on his shield?

[@ValhallaVFT]

Impressive transparency bro. Not something I’m willing to talk about but somebody needs to.

[@belikethis6001]

I was on my phone listening until you said yeah “how I ended up using steroids” I raised my head so fast. Respect for keepin it straight up

[@Harry-uq9qd]

your reasons for doing it, and highlighting the culture aspect, yeah, i get that 100% and if i were in your shoes I'd have done it too. It's also nice that you're sharing this because many ex-special forces kind of youtubers post their numbers (max deadlift + best run + ...) without this necessary context, setting unrealistic expectations for guys like us watching and aspiring

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

I don’t mind sharing at all

[@tommyk3652]

Yuuuuppp, GB here. Went through natty, passed dive school right after the Q. My first day meeting my team, my team sgt. said, you won't be on this team if you can't carry our biggest guy for a click. Our biggest dude was a former tackle from Ole Miss, 6'7" 275. A straight monster. I accepted and the 2nd day on my team, I was told my mission was to find gear and I had 3 weeks to do so. Needless to say, I delivered quickly 😂

[@officialmattsoupcampbell]

PED is SOCOM wide, it shouldn’t be frowned upon! Give our guys every advantage we can get!

[@atmosrepair]

Pain medications

[@SinizterOfficial]

This is fairly common in Regular Army as well, at least back in 2011. I served in a scout platoon and this was a lot of guys bread and butter and was encouraged. I personally didn’t use it, but I knew a lot of guys that did. To anyone saying “they should be ashamed!” - you do what you gotta do to excel at your job and be the best 🤷🏽‍♂️.

[@juanshaftpatel7488]

pogs

[@SonsofIssac]

I was in Navy SWCC school early 2000’s. A lot of the students were getting gear from Tijuana. I was a naïve 19 year old and completely shocked when I found out most my classmates were on the stuff. I’m 42 and on TRT now. It’s great

[@Primetome]

Im 42 ex mil, how did you get on TRT?

[@joshuaarmstrong6933]

love the honesty just in the title and intro alone Jay.

[@jeffone2nv]

I appreciate your honesty thank you take care bruh. I’m scared of any health consequences in the future. I’m working hard eating less losing weight. I think I’m too old to be in your type of shape. But I’m trying to be better, that encourages me. Of course I can go back to my basic training days lol 😂. I enjoy going to the gym twice a day. Only 5 days a week.

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

You’ve got it

[@franciscoromero7237]

TRT should be a thing for combat MOS, we don’t sleep, miss nutrients. It’s not good for your testosterone, which will eventually hinder performance

[@scout3058]

I was an 0311 in the late 80s early 90s. A guy in my platoon had been a powerlifter in high school, and our base was only 90 minutes from his hometown. He had a direct line for juice and he got me on D ball. I did 4 cycles of it, and lifting with him made me huge compared to my prior wiry frame. I stopped because I wigged out for no reason on another Marine. Now I'm 53 and on TRT. This is WAY better. Appreciate your honesty bro. I have a friend (and fellow K9 handler) who is former 2nd Ranger Batt guy and he said the big things for his unit (Afghanistan Pat Tillman timeframe) were HGH and Mexican over the counter Test.

[@fleetman2021]

Love the honesty. Who cares what you used. I want you to be the biggest and best badass out there. Thank you and all soldiers for our freedom and keeping us safe.👊

[@vincentmcgettigan7948]

I appreciate the sincerity and honesty.

[@ViewtifulBr080]

Man I respect him so much for keep it real... This the real that only comes from a certain demographic..... I was waiting to see if someone was ever going to speak on it.... you did jay mad respect dude... you stay blessed brother... let us know if you need anything....

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

I appreciate that!

[@BillyraycyrusIII]

lol yes im sure telling the truth only comes from one demographic.

[@ViewtifulBr080]

@@BillyraycyrusIII telling the truth? Not what I said. Misconstruing words on the internet... Read that before...

[@One_out_of_144K]

Thanks for sharing that with us, I like listening to stories like this one. Not many people speak on this topic. Thank you, and I wish you much success on your KZbin channel. -Georgie Porgie 1/144,000

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

You got it

[@SoldierJake]

Love that he just put it on the title.

[@mussersbowsboatsandscience6610]

Thanks for the honesty

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

Always!

[@chrisduncan4406]

Huge respect for being honest with your experience. A PSA for all future candidates which you touched on, Steroids can be detrimental towards your train up for selection. Yes you need to be strong and have a solid foundation. However your cardio; running, rucking, moving object from point A to point B, is paramount. Steroids are counter-intuitive here. A lot of people at selection, especially the 18xrays will be running something and are normally pretty open about it, I don't think it affects them as bad because they are fresh out of OSUT and have been running and rucking non-stop. Dudes from the conventional side, especially you younger joes, I would implore you to get your running and rucking where you want it before running any kind of cycle.

[@manofaction1807]

I was there. There was a bust in KAF, and the dumbasses thought it would be cute to use my buddie's name to receive the shit. We all had 10 tons of bullshit we had to go through as the cherry ass officer in the function thought he had license to question our integrity about it. When the asshat came in to pick up his package, by buddy told him it was in the back and to go back and get it, but why did he use his name about it. Doofus goes into the back, right into the loving arms of CID, who were waiting in the back... after that, our relationship with that officer changed. He couldn't get shit from us at that point as we froze him out. There are some things in life that that Green Beret can't help you with. THIS was one that will leave you all on your own to face the man. No one knows you when you are led off in cuffs. They (the command) will cut your head off and field strip you like a piece of big game. THEN, they go after the rest of your team/ unit as they continue to throw that bone at the people who will talk, and keep hunting even more people that are involved. Sometimes those cuts cut deeper then is acceptable to the group involved. I'd seen this happen about three times in different deployments, and heard of more over there in the conventional units guys that were attached. It was more prevalent then people wanted to be honest about, and you could see the toll it took when guys got back, and the negative impacts came home to roost with all of the results of roids and dope and shit. That stuff will burn out a team, or unit. It's impact is negative for all involved. In our position though- the culture of the job pushes guys to do shit like that. Working out 3-5 times a day, GNC, Protein, weight burner, weight gainer shakes, pills, work out magic dust, roids, injectables, all sorts of fucking weight lifters bullshit, it's part of the demand that the culture of being G.I. Joe demands of some folks. Down range, there's nothing else to do but hit the weights and get yourself fit and building up, both to keep your head together, and because the job demands you be in 110% tough bastards.

[@bornepatrol]

We had almost an entire Squadron sent home on short leave for a day after being back for a while. This was in 2004. The drug testing unit was coming up for a planned surprise base visit for a random testing. I was randomly tested a lot during my career and was almost always hot because of cold and flu or codeine. Given a ‘warning’ pending clarification of the drugs in the system. Depending on your XO you’d either go back to work, on administrative duty or sent home until the results came back no matter what substance you where positive for. I can only imagine seeing some of the guys 2008-2013 that it was prevalent as they were always trying to bring back supplements on military aircraft they purchased while deployed.

[@yacobcastro]

That’s not what’s happening in the Army now “send you home” in a general discharge.

[@bornepatrol]

@@yacobcastro I don’t think it should have been happening then. If it’s causing an issue it should have been addressed. My biggest concern is when they turn a blind eye to PED or stimulant use for SOF units have they then come to expect a higher than is reasonably expected standard from candidates during selection and throughout the career. But rather than address the issue the rank turned a blind eye to PED use. This squadron was known for PED use. There was another smaller unit I was posted too that was multi service and 3 people, each one from a different branch were done for PEDs. They were on paid leave for over a year. Then medically treated/rehabbed and allowed to continue serving. Party/Rec drugs were a completely different ball game. It was a bit of a joke in some units, if you wanted out your punishment was rehab at government expense and continue to serve, the punishment was you had to stay in uniform. Those who wanted to serve would be discharged. We had one rigger test positive for rec drugs and all the riggers had to get together and find every parachute with his rigger number on it and spend a whole week unpacking and repacking them. The CO said even the pope wouldn’t be able to save him.

[@privateprivate921]

Spot on information brother..!

[@dallasryder8125]

My first deployment in like 2013. Folks in CID were busted selling gear smh. Wasn't a GB, but in Special Operations. You could get anything you wanted honestly. Especially, if you had homies in the pacific lol. The VA should automatically grant us TRT. Either in house or out.

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

It happens

[@alexander1902]

So is it wrong of me to think anyone in SOF is getting by on just willpower and eating right?

[@LYFHAC]

PEDs are for weak minded people, strong men don't cut corners to stay strong.. they work hard even at a deficit. This GB guy should be ashamed for admitting to doing PEDs, he's making people believe they need it to be SF, but in reality he's an insecure operator.

[@dallasryder8125]

@@LYFHAC I was about to say "You watch sports right?" then realized you probably sit to pee and have a million pronouns.

[@SoakedHoagie]

@@LYFHACYou are the weak minded one.

[@BRIMMSTONE]

Let's keep it a buck. Nothing beats walking out the house and knowing you could take a life with your bare hands... especially on deployment!

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

Well said!

[@cmorris10]

Beer, Steroids, you grabbed my attention fast 😂

[@mikecolin3983]

I respect the honesty.

[@paulc8588]

Thanks brother 🙏

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

Any time

[@m4xfl4xst4r]

bro if gear helps win the fight, they should be medically treating you guys with PEDs safely and reliably. 100.

[@crimsonhawk4912]

They get injected with all kinds of other shit anyway 🤣

[@bpmakesithappen8395]

Great info. Thanks for your service. My question is, why do they have you guys run 5 miles in 40 minutes or less. When "most" of the GB I see look like the Hulk? I don't believe they are running 5 in 40

[@mckenziedj]

If you have ever been to any army gym gym or fittness center it obvious that regular line troop are taking PED on the regular basis.

[@mrshovelbottom7475]

I pray exo-skeleton suits and future engineering will assist with less of a reliance of drug usage to allow the extra mile. I can see the drug use as useful in the career field, but what happens when you lose access to it and you develop a dependence? Or long lasting side affects after retirement.

[@dariuswilliams7509]

Tbh if steroids weren't made illegal we'd have good basically no side effects shit by now even peptides in the future seems to be the way not endorsing drugs just saying it's development was halted and we were left with shit from the 50s and 60s. 😂😂

[@crimsonhawk4912]

No suit in the world will ever replace hands on man power.

[@mrshovelbottom7475]

@@crimsonhawk4912 I wish you luck to use "hands on man power" when working on the ISS without a suit on. The point is the suit enhances your hands on abilities, not replace.

[@taintwasher3703]

I'd be interested to hear about a more recent experience in SOF, now that most of these substances are banned and random drug tested for

[@jahreigns888]

The reality is it can improve performance. In a career where lives are on the line I could understand.

[@joelpierce3940]

When you are beat down and your mission and job depends on your performance, you will do this. You don’t want to be dropped. I understand.

[@Felixpippenger]

Love this review

[@BigPoppaWoody]

Nothing new under the sun. You could smell the Tren in the air when I was on uplift during OIR.

[@fordhipo1493]

Some of us succeeded without the use of steroids. As a matter of fact, the guys that used 'roids in 1/10 were shunned because it amplified their personality problems. Instead of being a mission enhancer, they became a mission deficit.

[@TristalisVitae]

Not everybody has the genetics to do the job while being a natty

[@vedder10]

Were there certain ODA's or SF groups that didn't look the part and look more like skinny guys but they were in great shape. I always hear about the big bulky guys not lasting in Delta, Seal, or SF selection.

[@dustin612]

I think this is a Army wide problem.

[@thomasritz4863]

We called it "the Program".... nothing new here...

[@wilb6657]

As a civilian, I am ALL FOR spec-ops soldiers using WHATEVER steroids they want. As long as it gives troops an edge-go for it.

[@travishill4811]

Its war not the Olympics

[@David-qb7ck]

Where can I get some my self ?

[@clifjr954]

The thing is...sounds fun while your training...but what if your deep in country on a long op, will you hage access to it then?

[@NateCreed07]

Good question

[@clifjr954]

@NateCreed07 "train like you fight"

[@taintwasher3703]

you don't need to be on constantly, you feel kind of bad for a little while if you use androgens too long then go off of them but it's not much worse than cold turkeying caffeine in my opinion (but that can vary depending on the individual, how much you used and how long your cycle). Meanwhile 90% of the strength and speed you gained can stay with you if you continued to train. Once you aren't natty you are never natty again

[@pat4771]

I think it should be readily available

[@Guts9999]

How common are steroids going through sfas itself?

[@Harry-uq9qd]

curious, did people use stuff for increased endurance as well? (you can't be imposing by having the VO2 max of lance armstrong, but it can sure as hell help you perform on the battlefield)

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

Both strengths and endurance

[@linofernandez4457]

If im on HRT (doc prescribed) would i still be eligible to go to selection?

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

Yes

[@linofernandez4457]

@@GreenBeretChronicles thank you for the info, appreciate the content. Looking forward to more 🤙🏽

[@tangomantactical]

I always thought the SF ran on Skoal, rage and alcohol. Apparently their juicing. Juice weasel. Under that umbrella I have zero issues with it. The issue is when your back to being a civy. All the dexoting must have been arduous.

[@christianmedley3373]

Hey man. Training for selection. I ordered and am taking steroids. But I'm wondering if I should be honest to my recruiter. Or just quite. .

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

I don’t recommend doing that before sfas

[@taintwasher3703]

no you can't tell your recruiter or meps or you won't be able to join

[@christianmedley3373]

@@taintwasher3703 copy

[@boblittle6849]

I'm happy I went thru in Vn era. No BS egos or drugs. Guys were the real deal and we worked out even in deployment. Never faced attitude or personality issues. Sounds hokey but we were one for all, all for one. A237 was the finest and toughest 12 men I've ever known. The rare breed!!!

[@buddylewis2743]

A man does what he has to do.

[@MichelleObamaIsPackinASack]

Testosterone .... D ball... Tren.... just to name a few .... I was in the infantry it was prevalent there as well... I still use Testosterone and A little D ball ... to help with joint pain ... but nothing serious

[@SpyderSuasponte]

Young man what group were you with?

[@itsdoge4845]

The FDA holding us back from greatness

[@Greg-lg6jh]

Why wouldn’t you want to use gear in the military? You are graded heavily on physical standards for promotions. The aggression that you can draw from is a huge benefit for the battle field. If you have a few level headed dudes that can direct the once that can’t handle it, it all works out. The recovery time from hard physical activities is drastically reduced. The calories from your food are synthesized better due to the gear. Besides, you think china or Russia wouldn’t use gear on their troops for the edge? This isn’t competitive sports. You can’t drug test the other team in war and get them kicked out.

[@caseypayne5138]

there's no way Russian and China aren't explicitly encouraging this in their ranks. Why wouldn't they want to give their guys an edge as well?

[@bobjones5370]

Other than steroids, what PEDs do special ops guys use?

[@stephm9397]

Shouldn't even be an issue, if monitored but control by unit PA at a minimum with proper and frequent blood work. WHY. no other job. MOS, profession require you to perform `15 plus years at an operational level. The constant deployments. lack of sleep recovery from daily grind and schooling over a career can be detrimental upon retirement. Again, when administered and control it provided lifelong dividends.

[@frankcastle4435]

One of college football coaches always said to be The Boss you got to be on the sauce.

[@rogerfranks6942]

Yea man, thanks for being honest. But I think this turned me off of sf. The army has done a strict removal of all "supplements" They have a strict new drug regimen. So they know the signs and symptoms. What to look for and you'll get a random nowadays. Let's get this out of our military. I'm sure it doesn't help with divorce rates for vets either😂

[@brockmorris8764]

Whatever man, we’re war fighters, we are not football players, you think the United Nations is drug testing and disqualifying our enemy combatants? No, it’s absolutely crazy to think that our soldiers shouldn’t use PEDs if they want to.

[@SpyderSuasponte]

I was an officer in SF with several groups from 2005 to 2016 nobody was doing roids under my command. Now SF has changed and the young want quick results.

[@ironadversity2500]

I’m sure they were…sir.

[@taintwasher3703]

i don't know how close you were with your guys, but I can't imagine they'd want to rat themselves out to their OIC about using PEDs

[@AoNLobby]

If you’re expected to fight for your life and be the tip of the spear, you better be on performance enhancers. You think the enemy isn’t?

[@LikeABoss1211]

Why did you delete your last video

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

KZbin demonetized threat. Someone reported the video

[@ViewtifulBr080]

What was the last video?

[@LikeABoss1211]

@@ViewtifulBr080 current events

[@DCB1209]

@@GreenBeretChronicles Did you go against the mainstream media? I've noticed YT doesn't like when anyone half credible goes against the "official" story.

[@damonlee5102]

What these men do....AINT SPORTS....AND FAIR AINT GOT NUTHIN TO DO WITH LIFE AND DEATH ON THE LINE !!!!!

[@garyportalatin3249]

Sounds like you are talking about prohormones.

[@natedowns5]

Recon would never

[@neiloberholzer]

Aye man if shit works it works

[@AN-jz3px]

Sorry - I want Americas war fighters the best they can be. You don't have to do steroids like Testosterone and get crazy huge.

[@thedude4762]

Cheating thats all that is plus it can be considered mind altering i mean roid rage is a perfect example of that so if weed isnt allowed that shouldnt be either

[@taintwasher3703]

what are they cheating at?

[@ivantoxie]

He's talking about pro hormones. I don't like the world of pro hormones because a lot of people who are new to that world are unaware of the protocols that should be followed just as they should with steroids or SARM's. Hey if it's made by in company and is put in a jar with a label it must be safe right? Don't assume they are more safe than injectables, that just depends. I'm not saying this guy didn't know what he was doing. My concern is for everyone else out there. Although there is a right way to construct a cycle you are in fact screwing yourself in the long run if you continue cycle upon cycle even with the protocols are recovery and time off in place. Your body will only want to recover so may times despite proper recovery meds. No way around it.

[@HELMET007-jy3oh]

THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE STEROID VIDEO YOU MADE A WHILE AGO,WITH ALL DUE RESPECT SIR,A WARRIOR SHOULD BE OF SOUND MIND AND BODY. USING POISINS LIKE THAT IS HORRIBLY DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR HEALTH. ITS DISSAPOINTING TO HEAR THAT MEN OF YOUR CALIBER TAKE PART IN THIS. THE EGOS NEED TO BE CONTROLLED.

[@fixagent81]

People need to understand it’s all a bit of gods grace and a bit of luck for anyone to get this far in their respective careers poor sob dies in basic training running while a conventional service guy makes it through multiple deployments then you got your variety colored berets off in the bad lands handing the nations business it’s all gods grace and luck in the end it’s up to the individual on whether he or she wants to gamble his or hers thought process on this or believe your going to be able to handle the nations business clean and sober just keep in mind nobody’s perfect nobody if you wanna be in a conventional unit or colored beret there’s ugliness in all walks of service it’s a mental game while at the same time walking through the lions den your bound to get cut and bruised question is are you strong enough I kill the lion or is it going to kill you

[@stephenwonghongweng4298]

In fact SOF should just legalize steroids altogether. There’s no competition element unlike sports so really what is the problem. Any way unlike normal athletes SOF operators are on the go all the time. They need steroids just to recover from the pace.

[@danthelowblood2653]

you're not natty?!? always thought you were you definitely don't look roided

[@GreenBeretChronicles]

Since I’ve been out, I’ve been clean

[@danthelowblood2653]

@@GreenBeretChronicles So did you take alot to go on loading phases?, a little to supplement ? How long in your career did you dabble with it? When i was in the Corps the Steroid situation was definitely still a thing even though im a much younger generation than you but not as much as you said with the SF/SOF community. Would you say alot of guys still do it? Curious because i definitely want to go back in through the army and maybe do some kind of SF/SOF

[@tboat4015]

I liked you til now. Over twenty years 5th sfg retired and all time on a team. Never never did any of that stuff. It's in your mind and how you train and train yourself. I was never a fast runner, but i could run forever. For my extra edge i did variois martial arts and was constantly shooting. Keeping a long story short you do not need illegal enhancements. You cheated yourself and your teammates... You want to be pretty go to modeling school.. you want to be effective do your job properly.

[@neelonghunglow]

I hear what you are saying and while its a bit of a let down, Jay is human. I like him a bit more because of the honesty...thank you for your service.

[@SoakedHoagie]

At least he is honest

[@DCB1209]

I somewhat agree. First I'd like to preface this with, I am not nor have I ever been a combat MOS/AFSC/Rate. With that being said I have always held myself in high esteem as far as physical fitness. I have always been a believer that everything physical can be overcome with the mental(mind). I hold this value so close that I do not even take protein or pre-workout because if my body can't do it naturally I need to work for it. I'm just curious as to how he cheated his teammates, I understand 100% how he cheated himself.

[@caseypayne5138]

I'll be real man -- not saying you didn't achieve something awesome, but nobody cares that you didn't do PEDs. It's not the moral high ground you think it is. The guys in the units now who ARE doing PEDs are performing on a level with an intensity and consistency that you wouldn't be able to match as a natty.

[@Patrick-vn9ei]

Did you ever try Trens? It works supper fast but a little dangerous .

[@caseymelick8023]

With all due respect sir you never get to your point